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[Galactus]

Remember the walk toggle in DAO? your armor would chin k when you walked, sounded very cool.

[Brogan]

If you mean of course its conspicuously apparent that they weren't involved - I obviously agree. 

 

I did. 

 

Evidence to the contrary is hopefully upcoming.

[DisturbedJim83]

?? What's with the attack? I was stating my opinion. I'm not a PC gamer or RPG player? Weird..That's what I thought I liked.

 

Also you're*

Its not an attack its a statement of fact that your neither a PC Gamer or a RPG player if you "don't get it" real PC RPG Gamers play with M/KB it has always been this way and as such a walk toggle is not a optional feature its a mandatory requirement and not negotiable and since every PC uses a M/KB its a unforgivable oversight,by devs catering to the console casuals and their bloody gamepads, the whole UI,lack of walk toggle and a limit of only being able to map 8 ability's to the hotbar( which coincidentally(not) is all the gamepad can map).is a clear indication that no thought was given to the dedicated PC RPG players.

 

Given this it is self evident that the video we all know about that was released pre-launch was designed to mislead the dedicated PC RPG players who had not pre-ordered into getting the game Day1 and to stop those who had already pre-ordered from cancelling their pre-order.

 

Watch the livestreams prior to release where showcasing the PC version was extremely limited compared to the console versions and almost everytime what control method are the using? yeah a gamepad,the M/KB control scheme barely got a mention beyond the "its Awesome you'll love it" PR which has turned out to be total Bullshit.If that is not enough we now have a bunch of incompetent dimwits doing the patching of this broken game that they sold us.

 

Want another supporting fact? ok here's 1:

 

Mark Darrah the very person who created this thread stopped communicating in it on Nov 27th,yet since then he furiously tweets on Twitter even providing a link to this thread for "further updates" and what do most of his "tweets" consist of ? certainly not an apology to customers who bought their product on PC but more marketing"winner of GOTY 2014 buy our game to find out why" hype.

 

The only updates we have had have been the occasional post from Conal Pierce (who I commend for making the effort) but nothing from Darrah of Gaider and even then it wasn't posted in this thread despite the fact that the patch was supposed to address some of the issues that were being reported in this thread. 

[Kuosi]

This is my current experience with Patch2 and then Patch2 Update

 

Following numerous observations/complaints about the Hotfix I chose to disable Auto Updates. Things appeared better at first with Ultra settings restored with the command line switch and I liked the addition of loot appearing in the minimap.

 

However, I then started experiencing BSOD and system restarts usually from cutscenes which many other people had already mentioned but nothing I had experienced before the patch. I also had driver fail/recovery issues, again I had not experienced this before hand and I don't experience these issues with any other games recent or old..

Spoiler

I had just returned from Val Royeaux and couldn't get past the 1st Cutscene in Haven because of constant BSODs

 

I felt this gave me little choice but to fully update the game hoping that some other fixes may have been included to relieve some of the issues.

 

The first thing I noticed was stutter as I ran around Haven as a test and obvious vegetation and gravel/stone detail popping which was not present before. The stutter appears related to load-in. If this was tweaked (I use this term loosely) in Patch2/Hotfix it also introduced the load stutter. I didn't need this anyway as I was previously getting 60fps in most situations so this ought to have been a draw distance level setting for users experiencing poor performance.

 

During my run around - I then experienced complete freezes and CTD's without error messages. At this point I came here to report my findings.

 

ALL IN ALL A COMPLETE DISASTER - and now I have an unplayable game - this situation is beyond a joke now!

 

I cannot for the life of me believe that a competent software engineer was responsible for this latest tragic travesty - I can only hope for everyone here - that their highly skilled members are due to return from a break - if this isn't the case they desperately need some engine gurus from Dice and nVidia over to rescue this abysmal situation.   

99.99% of bsod is caused by hardware/low level driver failure as it's an error the operating system cannot recover from. I suggest checking your gpu, gpu drivers, ram and hard drive

[Brogan]

Its not an attack its a statement of fact that your neither a PC Gamer or a RPG player if you "don't get it" real PC RPG Gamers play with M/KB it has always been this way and as such a walk toggle is not a optional feature its a mandatory requirement and not negotiable and since every PC uses a M/KB its a unforgivable oversight,by devs catering to the console casuals and their bloody gamepads, the whole UI,lack of walk toggle and a limit of only being able to map 8 ability's to the hotbar( which coincidentally(not) is all the gamepad can map).is a clear indication that no thought was given to the dedicated PC RPG players.

 

Given this it is self evident that the video we all know about that was released pre-launch was designed to mislead the dedicated PC RPG players who had not pre-ordered into getting the game Day1 and to stop those who had already pre-ordered from cancelling their pre-order.

 

Watch the livestreams prior to release where showcasing the PC version was extremely limited compared to the console versions and almost everytime what control method are the using? yeah a gamepad,the M/KB control scheme barely got a mention beyond the "its Awesome you'll love it" PR which has turned out to be total Bullshit.If that is not enough we now have a bunch of incompetent dimwits doing the patching of this broken game that they sold us.

 

Want another supporting fact? ok here's 1:

 

Mark Darrah the very person who created this thread stopped communicating in it on Nov 27th,yet since then he furiously tweets on Twitter even providing a link to this thread for "further updates" and what do most of his "tweets" consist of ? certainly not an apology to customers who bought their product on PC but more marketing"winner of GOTY 2014 buy our game to find out why" hype.

 

The only updates we have had have been the occasional post from Conal Pierce (who I commend for making the effort) but nothing from Darrah of Gaider and even then it wasn't posted in this thread despite the fact that the patch was supposed to address some of the issues that were being reported in this thread. 

 

All of this is 100% spot on. 

 

The initial deception, and continuing negligence towards pc specific requests is just infuriating.  Nobody answers questions or discusses issues here on their own forum.  Answer HQ is absent of any actual help or discussion from Bioware reps, aside from basic info gathering, and the twitter feeds of Laidlaw, Darrah, and the convoluted @dragone are sporadically less than helpful, either directing users to the other 2 places without much chance of assistance, or crooning about awards, screenshots, promotions, and multiple other things that do not help the people that need problem solving.

 

Have you looked at Darrah's twitter lately?  It's like he randomly picks pc users tweets to respond to (and ignores all the issues we've been screaming about since Nov).  He keeps telling people to cc @dragonage, but all they do is redirect you elsewhere.  It's like Mark does not know how his own company is handling things, and he is sporadically trying to assist people out of habit.  Yet when it comes to actual issues, it's like he has to censor himself into vagueness, or simply ignore things.

 

Very strange, and not helpful.  Not a nice way to treat paying customers.

[ironhorse384]

Ah yes so I see you are projecting here.  You think its no big deal.  Yet you lack the knowledge about the amount of resources necessary to address your tiny concern.  Picture an amount of money and time and people taken from other tasks (opportunity cost) and then multiply that by like ten.  That might get you in the neighborhood.

 

It could mean longer times to decent DLC for single player and multiplayer not to mention a whole host of other more important fixes.  Yes it might be mutually exclusive because they will not hire a team specifically to do what you want.  It requires sacrifice in other areas almost all of which are more meaningful.

Since you seem to be in the "know' why don't you tell me what kind of resources are required for this massive undertaking, professor.

[ladyluck278]

Simplest way to complain.

 

 

 

The PC experience is bad, really really bad.

This game doesn't worth 73 $ .....

Actually I LOVE it. It has been running smoothly for me and even before the patch had minor to no issues. After the patch a few minor issues that I can live with. There are just as many of us out there that think the PC experience is good, really really good. I think the game was worth the money. Just my 3 cents worth. Hope you find a game you are happy with.

[Giantdeathrobot]

Then clearly your not a RPG player or a PC gamer otherwise you would not have to ask such a question because for a PC Gamer who plays RPG's its a big damn problem, I'd suggest you go back to playing simpleton games like Call Of Duty 

 

You do realise this sort of attitude is why many people can't take some of the more militant PC gaming crowd seriously, right? You don't speak for all the people who play RPGs on PC. I sincerely wish you and some other people here got that in their skulls.

 

DA:I's PC version is definitely not top notch, that's for certain. We'll see how the patching goes, if they're going to correct bugs and fix the tactical camera. But anyone expecting a complete revamp has better be ready for dissapointment.

[Mesungen]

devs catering to the console casuals and their bloody gamepads, the whole UI,lack of walk toggle and a limit of only being able to map 8 ability's to the hotbar( which coincidentally(not) is all the gamepad can map).is a clear indication that no thought was given to PC players.

 

Given this it is self evident that the video we all know about that was released pre-launch was designed to mislead the dedicated PC RPG players who had not pre-ordered into getting the game Day1 and to stop those who had already pre-ordered from cancelling their pre-order.

 

Watch the livestreams prior to release where showcasing the PC version was extremely limited compared to the console versions and almost everytime what control method are the using? yeah a gamepad,the M/KB control scheme barely got a mention beyond the "its Awesome you'll love it" PR which has turned out to be total Bullshit.If that is not enough we now have a bunch of incompetent dimwits doing the patching of this broken game that they sold us.

 

Want another supporting fact? ok here's 1:

 

Mark Darrah the very person who created this thread stopped communicating in it on Nov 27th,yet since then he furiously tweets on Twitter even providing a link to this thread for "further updates" and what do most of his "tweets" consist of ? certainly not an apology to customers who bought their product on PC but more marketing"winner of GOTY 2014 buy our game to find out why" hype.

 

The only updates we have had have been the occasional post from Conal Pierce (who I commend for making the effort) but nothing from Darrah of Gaider and even then it wasn't posted in this thread despite the fact that the patch was supposed to address some of the issues that were being reported in this thread. 

 

 

All of this is 100% spot on. 

 

The initial deception, and continuing negligence towards pc specific requests is just infuriating.  Nobody answers questions or discusses issues here on their own forum.  

 

Have you looked at Darrah's twitter lately?  It's like he randomly picks pc users tweets to respond to (and ignores all the issues we've been screaming about since Nov).  He keeps telling people to cc @dragonage, but all they do is redirect you elsewhere. when it comes to actual issues, it's like he has to censor himself into vagueness, or simply ignore things.

 

I agree completely with you; they are making fun of customers after they took their money, and continue to force sell a product that should be taken from the market till it gets put into an usable state.

 

one question, do you think PC gamers are going to learn something from this, or are they going to storm their next product, Mass Effect 4, when the marketing makes its part?  

[Brogan]

I would have had no interest in ME4, anyway, so I wouldn't.

 

But after DAI's release, I would absolutely go into it assuming they are designing it for consoles first.

[Pertinax_234]

As of 12/11/2014 I have returned my copy of DA:I for a refund.

 

Just to echo what many of you have been saying on this forum & elsewhere: As a PC gamer, I really do feel deceived by the promotional material that Bioware released prior to DA:I's launch.This game was not "made for PC"- it's a poorly executed console port.

 

While I have enjoyed other games that were ported to PC after their initial release, in each of those cases I was aware that PC was NOT the native platform, and therefore expected less-than-stellar controls/UI. My expectations were managed properly and my enjoyment of those titles was not reduced.

 

In the coming months (I assume it will take that long to make some substantive changes to the controls/UI), I will keep an eye on news about the patches: More importantly, I'll be keeping my eyes on this forum, and others, for honest customer reviews to see if Bioware really addresses the problems with the PC version. If they do, I will likely re-purchase the game in 2015 at some point.

 

Hopefully Bioware will listen to the constructive criticism that fills these pages.

[DisturbedJim83]

You do realise this sort of attitude is why many people can't take some of the more militant PC gaming crowd seriously, right? You don't speak for all the people who play RPGs on PC. I sincerely wish you and some other people here got that in their skulls.

 

DA:I's PC version is definitely not top notch, that's for certain. We'll see how the patching goes, if they're going to correct bugs and fix the tactical camera. But anyone expecting a complete revamp has better be ready for dissapointment.

I couldn't give a monkeys what those sort of people think since they are the spineless too easily pleased casuals who are responsible for allowing company's to think that producing this half arsed nonsense is acceptable.Since they are the cause of this problem what they think is not relevant.When I buy a game for PC that is advertised as "made by PC Gamers for PC Gamers" I expect a damn PC Game not some limp wristed consolized mess! 

 

To be frank did you not read the thread title? this is for people that have issues with the PC version if you dont have issues and are happy with this shoddy PC port then go somewhere else you are not needed here since you have nothing to contribute.That's what makes a real PC Gamer we expect and demand the best, we expect and demand the PC port of a game to be made with our platform in mind and to take full advantage of it,when these developers fail to live up to their promises we hold them accountable and do not back down nor cower in the shadows, or congratulate them when they have not done their job.

 

Try to spin it anyway you like Bioware did not do their job on the PC port they failed miserably with numerous technical and performance issues that should not occur,along with no real PC UI,and non existent quality control on both the M/KB layout and the patches, poor almost non existent communication and customer support.Its speaks for itself about the state of the PC port that both Darrah and Gaider have not communicated in this thread since Nov 27th and never respectively,while shamelessly promoting the game on Twitter.   

[Brogan]

I couldn't give a monkeys what those sort of people think since they are the spineless too easily pleased casuals who are responsible for allowing company's to think that producing this half arsed nonsense is acceptable.Since they are the cause of this problem what they think is not relevant.When I buy a game for PC that is advertised as "made by PC Gamers for PC Gamers" I expect a damn PC Game not some limp wristed consolized mess! 

 

To be frank did you not read the thread title? this is for people that have issues with the PC version if you dont have issues and are happy with this shoddy PC port then go somewhere else you are not needed here since you have nothing to contribute.That's what makes a real PC Gamer we expect and demand the best, we expect and demand the PC port of a game to be made with our platform in mind and to take full advantage of it,when these developers fail to live up to their promises we hold them accountable and do not back down nor cower in the shadows, or congratulate them when they have not done their job.

 

Try to spin it anyway you like Bioware did not do their job on the PC port they failed miserably with numerous technical and performance issues that should not occur,along with no real PC UI,and non existent quality control on both the M/KB layout and the patches, poor almost non existent communication and customer support.Its speaks for itself about the state of the PC port that both Darrah and Gaider have not communicated in this thread since Nov 27th and never respectively,while shamelessly promoting the game on Twitter.   

 

I would submit that when saying, 'Bioware did not do their job' for this game, the fault does not necessarily lie with the artists, level designers, composers, dialogue writers, etc (note I have not played a minute of this game yet).  The fault lies solely with the person or persons who made the overall design decisions regarding the pc version, and how it's integration needed to be handled.  This game was always going to have massive content and complexity.  To approach it the way they did was bound to cause issues upon release.  Just an obvious mis-calculation by the suits who wanted to save as much in production costs as they thought they could get away with.  That's always going to result in a poor product.

 

It is very likely that the issues console users are experiencing are also due to the backwards way they designed the game.

[crusader_bin]

Awesome, game didn't crash before, started when I installed VCRedist 2012/2013... Odd that one's people fixes, are other people's problems with this game...

[Potatoespotate]

Its not an attack its a statement of fact that your neither a PC Gamer or a RPG player if you "don't get it" real PC RPG Gamers play with M/KB it has always been this way and as such a walk toggle is not a optional feature its a mandatory requirement and not negotiable and since every PC uses a M/KB its a unforgivable oversight,by devs catering to the console casuals and their bloody gamepads, the whole UI,lack of walk toggle and a limit of only being able to map 8 ability's to the hotbar( which coincidentally(not) is all the gamepad can map).is a clear indication that no thought was given to the dedicated PC RPG players.

 

Given this it is self evident that the video we all know about that was released pre-launch was designed to mislead the dedicated PC RPG players who had not pre-ordered into getting the game Day1 and to stop those who had already pre-ordered from cancelling their pre-order.

 

Watch the livestreams prior to release where showcasing the PC version was extremely limited compared to the console versions and almost everytime what control method are the using? yeah a gamepad,the M/KB control scheme barely got a mention beyond the "its Awesome you'll love it" PR which has turned out to be total Bullshit.If that is not enough we now have a bunch of incompetent dimwits doing the patching of this broken game that they sold us.

 

Want another supporting fact? ok here's 1:

 

Mark Darrah the very person who created this thread stopped communicating in it on Nov 27th,yet since then he furiously tweets on Twitter even providing a link to this thread for "further updates" and what do most of his "tweets" consist of ? certainly not an apology to customers who bought their product on PC but more marketing"winner of GOTY 2014 buy our game to find out why" hype.

 

The only updates we have had have been the occasional post from Conal Pierce (who I commend for making the effort) but nothing from Darrah of Gaider and even then it wasn't posted in this thread despite the fact that the patch was supposed to address some of the issues that were being reported in this thread. 

 

I'm only going to address the first part since that's really all that concerns me. I play DA:I on PC, along with a multitude of other RPG's and the like. So therefore it makes me a "real PC RPG gamer".

[Ashen Nedra]

If I can add my two cents, Disturbed Jim, even though I fully agree with your analysis of the state of the game, I think the explanation behind it is more likely to be marketing and business decisions more than "consolization".

 

EA/Bioware determined a release date designed to avoid competition with the Witcher and benefit from the holiday season bigger sales.

 

The new look of the game -flashy combat, colors everywhere, character art more reminiscent of hipster subculture than medieval arts, political correctness and so forth  looks a lot like an attempt to attract new customers to the franchise. Younger customers, left-minded people,(people concerned with progress, appreciative of political correctness, LGBT sympathizers, minorities...). Think college kids for example. I think this is called "values-based marketing" or some other new corporate language bs I may not be aware of.

 

At the same time, they tried to retain their old customer base - traditional PC gamers/RPG fans, likely older people (over 25 at least for the majority I would guess) - by feeding them some scraps in the game (tactical view), and using misleading pieces of communication such as the infamous made by blah blah blah...

 

They likely hoped their game would be so great and their marketing hype so efficient that they would get away with it. They somewhat misinterpreted the "core values" of the PC gamers.

 

It's no longer about games and "artistic" integrity, guys, if it ever was...                             $

Modifié par Ashen nedra, 13 décembre 2014 - 10:28 .

[brzoz]

bad combat design & bugs keep sales low

NOW better than pirates

 

can anyone explain me what's the point of Denuvo (besides "to annoy gamers")? it didn't last long enough, game is still unplayable on PC M&KB but now with cracks flying all over the internets.

[Glaso]

I agree completely with you; they are making fun of customers after they took their money, and continue to force sell a product that should be taken from the market till it gets put into an usable state.

 

one question, do you think PC gamers are going to learn something from this, or are they going to storm their next product, Mass Effect 4, when the marketing makes its part?

 

 

I would have had no interest in ME4, anyway, so I wouldn't.

 

But after DAI's release, I would absolutely go into it assuming they are designing it for consoles first.

 

 

I'm going to get it day one But fully aware it's a console port, i'll be less disappointed that way.

[Ashen Nedra]

Denuvo accomplished its evil design. Most of the sales occur in the two first months after release. And DAI hasn't yet been cracked, or has it? So, for EA, it's likely a success.

[biain]

I'm only going to address the first part since that's really all that concerns me. I play DA:I on PC, along with a multitude of other RPG's and the like. So therefore it makes me a "real PC RPG gamer".

I don't really care what anyone calls themselves. But, I believe the argument being made is that DA:I isn't a "real" CRPG until things like tactical combat are fixed.

[Brogan]

I'm only going to address the first part since that's really all that concerns me. I play DA:I on PC, along with a multitude of other RPG's and the like. So therefore it makes me a "real PC RPG gamer".

Did you play Origins and DA2 on PC?

[Brogan]

If I can add my two cents, Disturbed Jim, even though I fully agree with your analysis of the state of the game, I think the explanation behind it is more likely to be marketing and business decisions more than "consolization".
 
EA/Bioware determined a release date designed to avoid competition with the Witcher and benefit from the holiday season bigger sales.
 
The new look of the game -flashy combat, colors everywhere, character art more reminiscent of hipster subculture than medieval arts, political correctness and so forth  looks a lot like an attempt to attract new customers to the franchise. Younger customers, left-minded people,(people concerned with progress, appreciative of political correctness, LGBT sympathizers, minorities...). Think college kids for example. I think this is called "values-based marketing" or some other new corporate language bs I may not be aware of.
 
At the same time, they tried to retain their old customer base - traditional PC gamers/RPG fans, likely older people (over 25 at least for the majority I would guess) - by feeding them some scraps in the game (tactical view), and using misleading pieces of communication such as the infamous made by blah blah blah...
 
They likely hoped their game would be so great and their marketing hype so efficient that they would get away with it. They somewhat misinterpreted the "core values" of the PC gamers.
 
It's no longer about games and "artistic" integrity, guys, if it ever was...                             $

Quoted. For. Truth.

Need to be able to give multiple Likes.

This game could have done all that AND kept those core values IF THE RIGHT PEOPLE WERE STILL IN CHARGE @ BIOWARE.

[DiamondBarJohn]

If I can add my two cents, Disturbed Jim, even though I fully agree with your analysis of the state of the game, I think the explanation behind it is more likely to be marketing and business decisions more than "consolization".

 

EA/Bioware determined a release date designed to avoid competition with the Witcher and benefit from the holiday season bigger sales.

 

The new look of the game -flashy combat, colors everywhere, character art more reminiscent of hipster subculture than medieval arts, political correctness and so forth  looks a lot like an attempt to attract new customers to the franchise. Younger customers, left-minded people,(people concerned with progress, appreciative of political correctness, LGBT sympathizers, minorities...). Think college kids for example. I think this is called "values-based marketing" or some other new corporate language bs I may not be aware of.

 

At the same time, they tried to retain their old customer base - traditional PC gamers/RPG fans, likely older people (over 25 at least for the majority I would guess) - by feeding them some scraps in the game (tactical view), and using misleading pieces of communication such as the infamous made by blah blah blah...

 

They likely hoped their game would be so great and their marketing hype so efficient that they would get away with it. They somewhat misinterpreted the "core values" of the PC gamers.

 

It's no longer about games and "artistic" integrity, guys, if it ever was...                             $

 

Huh.......older people aren't necessarily opposed to progressive ideas, we aren't all right wing nazis or something

[SnQQpy]

99.99% of bsod is caused by hardware/low level driver failure as it's an error the operating system cannot recover from. I suggest checking your gpu, gpu drivers, ram and hard drive

 

Hmmm...

 

Well this isn't entirely accurate and is misleading to suggest so - I already know the BSOD -in this case - is not a true crash but a resulting TDR failure. It is possible to see these with things like high GPU temps (not the case as I already monitor these) etc.. Anyway I'm not going to explain a list of things that could also cause TDRs suffice to say I know what they are and it isn't

 

Its almost certainly  a driver related issue but I'm using the latest nVidia drivers with a clean install and this issue manifest itself only with the freezing with patch2 subsequent to TDR.

 

While its unusual to see software freak out a driver/gpu - right now I have little confidence in DAI code 

 

PS For those that don't know TDR=Timeout Detection and Recovery. Default is normally 2 secs

[Adjicio]

Hmmm...

 

Well this isn't entirely accurate and is misleading to suggest so - I already know the BSOD is not a true crash but a resulting TDR failure. It is possible to see these with things like high GPU temps (not the case as I already monitor these) etc.. Anyway I'm not going to explain a list of things that could also cause TDRs suffice to say I know what they are and it isn't

 

Its almost certainly  a driver related issue but I'm using the latest nVidia drivers with a clean install and this issue manifest itself only with the freezing with patch2 subsequent to TDR.

 

While its unusual to see software freak out a driver/gpu - right now I have little confidence in DAI code 

 

PS For those that don't know TDR=Timeout Detection and Recovery. Default is normally 2 secs

My thoughts have been the same. I can't imagine it's a heat issue as I can load the game, walk to an NPC, and crash the game all within 60 seconds. Add to that that the game never crashed prior to the patch, and that none of my other games are crashing with this driver, and it would seem to be some major glitch in the patch itself that remains.