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[CatatonicMan]

Y'know, you might get more sympathy if you didn't imply that people with a different playstyle than yours are somehow inferior.

 

I'm implying controllers are inferior, not the people who use them. Playing golf with a baseball bat would make you a bad golfer, not a bad person.

 

Also, I neither want nor need sympathy.

[Glaso]

Y'know, you might get more sympathy if you didn't imply that people with a different playstyle than yours are somehow inferior.

 

We're not implying that, we're just pointing out your incredibly low standards.

[Brogan]

We're not implying that, we're just pointing out your incredibly low standards.

 

[katokires]

I hate the game and I and please don't take me wrong... I REALLY hate the game, all my mosts are usually about it but...

 

Concerning bugs, I didn't have any. I play Inquisition on two systems, a notebook and a desktop and it plays well, smooth and with no bugs in both, for 300 hours now.

 

1. Notebook - Core i5 2.4ghz, 4gb ram, AMD 7600M, Windows 7 x64, DirectX 11, 1366 x 768 - Lowest setting possible, anything above causes crashes so I don't take it as a bug but as system limitations since in the lowest quality it plays smooth and with no bugs/crashes. So my advice here is RESPECT YOUR SYSTEM LIMITATIONS. (Side note: I'm truly amazed by how graphics in lowest possible setting is still so beautiful)

 

2. Desktop - Core i5 3.2ghz, 8gb ram, AMD R9 270, Windows 7 x64, Mantle, 1920 x 1080 - High/Ultra settings, surprisingly smooth, very high fps, more 60fps moments than I could imagine or wish for with this system, I bought it with Mid/High in mind considering lots of slowdowns but it is going far better than I expected. Possibly because of Mantle?

 

In both I use the frame rate command lines (23.99 fps on notebook and 59.99 fps on desktop) and as a standard procedure for playing games (except the ones from 2009 and before) I usually have no other applications running, most times not even browsers. In task manager I noticed that Inquisition is kind of light on memory, but it is heavy on GPU and CPU.

 

Well so what I'd like to say is: Have all the requirements properly installed and updated. Stop bullshit programs like windows update (I have it deactivated anyway) and others like that while running the game, just stick to the game if you can. Be humble about your system, VERY humble, don't even use sweetfx.

 

My systems usualy run games/programs without problems of compatibility, even when new windows versions are released and people have trouble with compatibility I usually run all applications with no problem, like old games in windows Vista/7, with no adjustments at all (only exception is KOTOR 2 after my last GPU driver update on the notebook, and I mean, EVER) so perhaps it is about how you deal with your system on a daily basis, I'm used to keep it clean perhaps because I used to work with system maintenance? Well...

 

I know that it isn't (at least not all of it) users fault but perhaps some people should try to play it after taking proper care of their system and properly installing and updating requirements? Other people however have even installed new OS and still can't play well, these I can't blame (I guess). And always try it with the lowest setting possible before trying better settings (if you manage to run the game up to the seettings screen that is), most people overestimate their systems.

[Rannik]

I'm sure crawling is a great experience when compared to walking with broken feet.

 

This is the perfect analogy.

[Bethgael]

We're not implying that, we're just pointing out your incredibly low standards.

 

Indeed. The thing about consoles (another addendum to my "are EA games financially mad putting their eggs in the console basket?" comment above) is how limited consoles are. And, despite huge improvements in memory, speed and graphics over the years, they still are, especially when you consider the almost unlimited power a PC can have.

And the major hurdle when it comes to consoles is the controller. There's only so many buttons you can have. Everything--screens, UI, movement--has to be designed around that limitation (which is why it's so obvious this is a console port not a PC game). Compared to, again, the almost unlimited macro combinations implicit in a keyboard and mouse (especially a gaming mouse), it is insane, to me, that any company would take a technical step backwards by limiting their game--one they have said, often, they wanted to increase in scope, and certainly could increase in scope--to the less pliable option of a console gamepad and a console-based engine.

In fact, every single issue with the PC I've read here, including some of the overclocking, crashing, programming and FPS issues, etc., can be traced back to the need to force the engine/controller to console design.

Don't get me wrong, here: I am not pitting "PC vs console" or making one or the other "inferior" with my statement. I love playing games on console, too (although I do it less, these days, because there's been nothing genuinely different--except for improved memory and graphics [and the ability to d/l cable, which I don't care about, pay-TV is anathema in Australia]--since the PS2, IMO). But I also recognise the limitations of the media, compared to PC and the expansive possibilities in KB&M, macro controls, mods, and, as such, tend to play any expansive RPGs (such as that DA:I is supposed to be) on PC.

Forget the deception, etc. It boggles my mind that Bioware have hamstrung their own game in this way.

[Renko]

6 weeks now.... still a bad bad port.......

[Jackal19851111]

Mods are saving my PC gameplay experience. It's a shame because the artists/actors/writers all did their jobs very well, and the neglect on PC makes it harder for the fans to appreciate it.

 

One would be a fool to preorder any "PC" release from Bioware after this.

[Shelled]

Mods are saving my PC gameplay experience. It's a shame because the artists/actors/writers all did their jobs very well, and the neglect on PC makes it harder for the fans to appreciate it.

 

One would be a fool to preorder any "PC" release from Bioware after this.

or buy anything from them at all.

[Razael]

Y'know, you might get more sympathy if you didn't imply that people with a different playstyle than yours are somehow inferior.

 

The hate is understandable. Hell, I still hate the fact that I could be fighting darkspawn on an top down view ala DA:O, as bioware implied. But still, gamepad gameplay is good once you get used to a couple of things. I'm in no way a bioware apologist, and I will keep encouraging people to never preorder games from them. As I stated in an older post, it's us that should be shaping what we play, not companies telling us how to play it. I'm playing it because I will at least get an experience out of my 60 dollars, and aside from being super dissapointed about not having proper pc controls, the game is one of the best I've played. I'm coming from games like baldur's gate and icewind dale, and like I also stated earlier, I loved the mass effect series (aside from the ending, lol EAbioware).

[Brogan]

Forget the deception, etc. It boggles my mind that Bioware have hamstrung their own game in this way.

You mentioned the inherent factor of consoles being limited in comparison to what can be done with a modern pc.

I know people seem hate when I target the programmers rather than the ones who made the design decisions for blame, but isn't it obvious after a month and 11 days that the programmers of this game, and the functionalities of all these systems and designs people are complaining about, is clearly suffering from the same limitation?

Point being, Laidlaw and Darrah aren't programming the different systems. But they are also surely not sitting there, telling the people at the work desks, "No, we don't need those decade old systems that would work great here. Make something new and fresh up, and don't worry if it's subpar"

[DisturbedJim83]

I politely refuse to use a controller instead of a mouse and keyboard. It feels like I'm enabling a behavior. It may warrant a better user experience in your opinion and it may in fact do so but if this behavior is allowed to express itself in the future PC titles of Bioware's - Is that then all right? Boiling the frog slowly.

 

I am glad however you found your money's worth. I mean that sincerely.

Pretty much this gave up on M/KB 2/3 of the way through the tutorial(just before reaching the temple of Sacred Ashes) 268hrs of torture having to play with a Bloody Controller!

 

I can play DAO and DA2 for 8-9hrs non stop but with DAI I have to take a breather after 2hrs let the rage subside. 

[CosmicGnosis]

I hate the game and I and please don't take me wrong... I REALLY hate the game, all my mosts are usually about it but...

Wow, this is tragic. You're trying to reassure us that you really do, without a doubt, hate this game.

[shajs]

Reading this topic makes me so sad. Not because I don't agree -- but because I agree so much it hurts. I want to love Inquisition, and I have enjoyed it so far, but the keyboard & mouse playability IS awful. It really, truly, is. I've played DA:O so much and I've come to consider myself a decent player, finishing the game on harder difficulties and everything (hardc0re!!1 players can laugh at me now), but playing Inquisition...

 

I'm playing on easy, and I'm failing at it. Everything about the ui & the controls feel wrong and unintuitive. Lack of tactics makes it even worse. Fighting isn't fun, and it's everywhere, all the time. I love exploring new areas, gathering ingredients and crafting my own stuff, but every single area is crawling with aggressive beasties that, at worst, take forever to kill (giants, dragons, etc), and it's really sucking the joy out of the game. Gosh, at this point I'd even take a "Kill All" God Button as a solution. I just don't want to fight anymore. I'm still here only for the characters and their stories.

 

I, too, kind of scoffed at the story mode of Mass Effect 3, but with this game, I want it. Badly.

[Jadebaby]

As much hate as there is about Controllers, there's something to be said about having two joysticks as opposed to wsad. Now that's just my personal opinion as I'm sure some people prefer wsad (and sometimes even qe) to the controller. Which is cool because that's their preference. Just like some people feel the sheer amount of extra buttons you get on a keyboard and the fluidity and precision only a mouse can offer more than makes up for the shortcomings of a controller.

 

Then there are people that just think one is simply better than the other. But again, that's entirely up to the worth of the pros and cons in each device to the beholder. This whole discussion is subjective and people should stop claiming that one is more inferior than the other. Oh and unless it's a troll... it's an extremely negative way of thinking to even imply that something is inferior, rather than promoting what you prefer as superior. 

 

So those that can play the game should play it, or they can wait it out like most people are that can't even play it without crashing.

 

@Catatonic Man, nice analogy. I feel sorry for all the m/kb users out there as I've tried to play it with a m/kb too. But how I see your analogy is like this, you are the one crawling, and that the real people with broken feet are the people that can't play this game at all.

 

Sorry just thought of this when I said that....

 

[Chaos17]

Mods are saving my PC gameplay experience. It's a shame because the artists/actors/writers all did their jobs very well, and the neglect on PC makes it harder for the fans to appreciate it.

 

One would be a fool to preorder any "PC" release from Bioware after this.

Yeah, in the futur, I will wait that a lot of mods will be out and that the game will be sold for cheap before buying again a Bioware game or don't buy it anymore if Bioware continue to make mmorpg/Skyrim like game without realesing a toolkit for modders.

[mfbrana]

When patch is coming out? Oh, plz, come on      

[FOE]

....(peeks head into forum room)....

Er, just checking to see if "el patcho de numero tres" is out yet.  I've been boning up on my Spanish as a means to occupy my time whilst I await improvements.  You simply can't expect me to play the game as it is, can you?  I hope not.  Now some have already suggested that I buy a controller, but it just doesn't feel right - like slow-dancin' with Grandma.  She's probably not even wearing a bra underneath that nightgown for Andraste's sake.

 

Look, Bioware.  If I'd really have wanted a button-mashing, console game (and accompanying console experience), I'd have purchased a console a long time ago.  Now I've stupidly gone and purchased a console game for my PC.  What an idiot I am.  No, don't try to console me.  If you do, or try to suggest a remedy, then I might just go out and purchase what you suggest and then I'll be even poorer than I am now...

 

...Oh, Happy Holidays to all*

*Bioware & EA employees are exempt from any said or implied Holiday Greetings

[crusader_bin]

 

As much hate as there is about Controllers, there's something to be said about having two joysticks as opposed to wsad. Now that's just my personal opinion as I'm sure some people prefer wsad (and sometimes even qe) to the controller. Which is cool because that's their preference. Just like some people feel the sheer amount of extra buttons you get on a keyboard and the fluidity and precision only a mouse can offer more than makes up for the shortcomings of a controller.

 

Then there are people that just think one is simply better than the other. But again, that's entirely up to the worth of the pros and cons in each device to the beholder. This whole discussion is subjective and people should stop claiming that one is more inferior than the other. Oh and unless it's a troll... it's an extremely negative way of thinking to even imply that something is inferior, rather than promoting what you prefer as superior. 

 

So those that can play the game should play it, or they can wait it out like most people are that can't even play it without crashing.

 

@Catatonic Man, nice analogy. I feel sorry for all the m/kb users out there as I've tried to play it with a m/kb too. But how I see your analogy is like this, you are the one crawling, and that the real people with broken feet are the people that can't play this game at all.

 

Sorry just thought of this when I said that....

 

 

The thing about controller vs kb+m for me is that my mouse feels almost like my LIMB by now, while I struggle to do anything with the controller that lacks precision. I had to give up on Killzone for PS3 because of that, struggled for 30 minutes and just threw the game away. GTA V was fine (auto aim), final fantasy games, metal gear, even Destiny was playable (barely, but more because the game is just terrible piece of S. that bored the hell out of me after 4 hours)

 

Now suggesting to ME that I would have to use controller for Dragon Age on my PC just feels like an insult.

I feel deeply hurt by that kind of suggestions, makes me want to hurt others in response.

 

I did play enough of MMOs to be pretty much used to the controll scheme though. Finished the game (100% completion minus mosaic pieces, finished one, others incomplete, 107 hours total in single player)

 

It's not that the controlls are broken. They are just very bad, like the rest of the game. Story quests that do not feel like filler content are few, Wicked Eyes one was pretty much awesome, final battle was a joke, but it was very satisfying. Just because the game finally ended.

Oh, and Hissing Wastes? Someone should be shot for that.

 

Just finish this "5.5/10" game already and forget it as soon as you can. Seriously. Don't expect god knows what from this title. I agree that the tragic bugs should be fixed, but some people have too high expectations of this title altogether.

I don't complain that tooth picks are not trees.

[scootshoot]

I'm implying controllers are inferior, not the people who use them. Playing golf with a baseball bat would make you a bad golfer, not a bad person.

 

Also, I neither want nor need sympathy.

Depends on ones hardware really.  A basic keyboard and 2 button mouse is garbage for gaming these days but people still use it.  IF I was relegated to these basic input devices I would no doubt own a controller.  That said, I luckily have a Razer Tartarus on my left side.  A G15 keyboard in the middle and a 18 button Logitech mouse to my right.  All of these are macroable and customizes to any key I want which allows me far greater options and beats a controller anyday.

[Jadebaby]

The thing about controller vs kb+m for me is that my mouse feels almost like my LIMB by now, while I struggle to do anything with the controller that lacks precision. I had to give up on Killzone for PS3 because of that, struggled for 30 minutes and just threw the game away. GTA V was fine (auto aim), final fantasy games, metal gear, even Destiny was playable (barely, but more because the game is just terrible piece of S. that bored the hell out of me after 4 hours)

 

Now suggesting to ME that I would have to use controller for Dragon Age on my PC just feels like an insult.

I feel deeply hurt by that kind of suggestions, makes me want to hurt others in response.

 

I did play enough of MMOs to be pretty much used to the controll scheme though. Finished the game (100% completion minus mosaic pieces, finished one, others incomplete, 107 hours total in single player)

 

It's not that the controlls are broken. They are just very bad, like the rest of the game. Story quests that do not feel like filler content are few, Wicked Eyes one was pretty much awesome, final battle was a joke, but it was very satisfying. Just because the game finally ended.

Oh, and Hissing Wastes? Someone should be shot for that.

 

Just finish this "5.5/10" game already and forget it as soon as you can. Seriously. Don't expect god knows what from this title. I agree that the tragic bugs should be fixed, but some people have too high expectations of this title altogether.

I don't complain that tooth picks are not trees.

 

See, honestly. If I felt this way about this game. I would not even be in the forums. In fact the only game forums I even ever visit are those that I enjoy so much I wish to dicuss it with others.

 

In a way I wish I did hate this game like you do, because then I would be free to move on without a second's after thought. However I don't have that luxury, I enjoy this game. A heck of a lot, when it's playable.

[FOE]

re: "I don't complain that tooth picks are not trees."

Depends upon your point-of-view really.  If you're an ant, then a toothpick really can look like a tree.  What does a tree look like then?  Probably a mountain, who the hell knows?  And who cares what an ant thinks???...I think that I'm losing my mind.... Here, let me better demonstrate this analogy with something much more relative... We, the paying customers, are "ants"...Bioware is the "tooth pick" and Electronic Arts is the "tree" and/or mountain...I'm confused now.  Wait, it has to be your toothpick..?.

[FOE]

I for one, sincerely hope that Bioware creates custom DLC such as "torches" & "pitchforks".  They created this angry mob, they should at least supply us with the appropriate gear.  What do you mean that we can't use our Bioware Points for that?!?!?  (pacepalm)  Man, they got me again....stuck with these worthless Bioware Points...hook, line and sphincter.

[crusader_bin]

re: "I don't complain that tooth picks are not trees."

Depends upon your point-of-view really.  If you're an ant, then a toothpick really can look like a tree.  What does a tree look like then?  Probably a mountain, who the hell knows?  And who cares what an ant thinks???...I think that I'm losing my mind.... Here, let me better demonstrate this analogy with something much more relative... We, the paying customers, are "ants"...Bioware is the "tooth pick" and Electronic Arts is the "tree" and/or mountain...I'm confused now.  Wait, it has to be your toothpick..?.

 

Everything is realtive and nothing (or everything?) could be real.

Solipsism is an idea that only you exist. So ALL the toothpicks are in fact, yours.

And trees. 

And EAs and Biowares.

As far as I know, they might be the same things. Or none at all.

 

 

See, honestly. If I felt this way about this game. I would not even be in the forums. In fact the only game forums I even ever visit are those that I enjoy so much I wish to dicuss it with others.

 

In a way I wish I did hate this game like you do, because then I would be free to move on without a second's after thought. However I don't have that luxury, I enjoy this game. A heck of a lot, when it's playable.

 

I don't HATE the game. I just claim it is painfully average. Good value for the time spent. Not all of it was pure fun, surely not (damn you Hissing wastes!) but it was ok. If they add more content to multiplayer, I might come back to it even. Coop games tend to draw me in, it's decent, minus the fact that keys stopped dropping after the patch. So untill next one comes, I'm not touching it anymore though.

I would like to see some other choices, even created an elf female warrior (first time it was human male mage), but that's probably a year too soon for next SP playthrough. But it would be cool way to spend some time If I were to loose my job and be sent to prison I guess. Here's hoping I'd get to keep my PC there