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[Dubya75]

It seems so, but are they?  Or is it simply that the business has changed (e.g. year after year PC gamers like me become a smaller portion of the market) and Bioware are simply reacting to the demand (e.g. consolification); thus they no longer make the sort of games I want to buy and play.  The bottom line: is DA:I selling well and continuing to sell well?

 

Did Bioware sleep during the success that was SKYRIM on PC??? If this was not evidence enough that the PC market is still alive and well (and BTW, how come Origin is building a windows-based living room gaming box?) then I guess they are deliberately shifting towards the console and MMO market, in which case, good luck to them, but I have zero interest in that.

[shushNMD]

If you've ever seen a half-arsed UI control system, this is it!

Like...the rest of the game...?

[GeNKi]

http://youtu.be/gqQ3Gp_AHdA?t=2m1s

 

Sir, that nostalgia, thank you

[Phentos]

Honestly most of the game's technical problems come down to two things:

 

Poor optimization with a bad engine.

Denuvo.

 

Hell CRYENGINE 3 would have been a better choice for this game. And Denuvo? That DRM (excuse me, anti-tamper system) IMO is the cause of most of the stability problems and unusual load on CPU/RAM/HDD or SSD. Especially the latter.

 

Denuvo has been cracked. Regardless of whether or not there's a working crack floating around for everyone to download, the DRM has been defeated and it's now pointless. It's now there to punish the legitimate user like just about every other DRM in existence.

[vetlet]

I've given in. Going to stop fannying around with DA:I til either a) useful patches are released (not holding breath) or b )  modders have had a field day (more likely). Becoming increasingly convinced that PC concerns are sort  of being written to toilet paper, used, then flushed, especially since the GOTY award.

[Dubya75]

Like...the rest of the game...?

 

Indeed!

To be fair, the game world, character interaction, voice acting, writing, audio and music etc etc, were all done really well and to a very high standard. But unfortunately, because they have neglected the really important aspects of this....game.... (or shall we call it an interactive graphic novel instead?) it has turned out to be little more than a polished turd.

Oh sure, it is winning GOTY left, right and centre, but without addressing these issues, how long will people be playing the game? Will it be remembered as one of those epic, genre-defining titles? I very much doubt that. 

My guess is that it will pretty much be forgotten before the year is out.

[TobyJake]

Another example of pure, unadulterated programming ineptitude!

I hit the wall with 'You cannot make a new character as you have exceeded the  250 saves! You must remove 6 slots to make a new character' OMG. I am running a 4TB Raid 5 system.

AND there is no differentiation between characters! WTF. AND you cant name your saves either? I would expect this sort of stuff from a year one apprentice.

This will have to be one hell of a patch! Otherwise I will cut and paste this entire topic onto FaceBook.

 

I mean really, why would you save a game with char 1 into the same folder as Char 2? And give it a name like DAISAVEU008CD02C5C0!!! WTF were you thinking Bioware? This is primary school thinking!! You won't make it in the real world, I am sorry to say!

 

I got shot down in flames for saying DAI was released in a beta state and should have been released later! This is alpha state, if even.

[Dubya75]

Another example of pure, unadulterated programming ineptitude!

I hit the wall with 'You cannot make a new character as you have exceeded the  250 saves! You must remove 6 slots to make a new character' OMG. I am running a 4TB Raid 5 system.

AND there is no differentiation between characters! WTF. AND you cant name your saves either? I would expect this sort of stuff from a year one apprentice.

This will have to be one hell of a patch! Otherwise I will cut and paste this entire topic onto FaceBook.

 

You should do it anyway! Bioware has had quite enough time to come through for us on this. as far as I'm concerned, they used their "get out of jail" card. I really wish I knew of a good way to make the gaming community in general aware of what is going on here, but we are being held in this "containment" forum for a reason! Because if this mess leaks out, a lot of smug "Look at us, we won GOTY!" devs are going to soil their breeches.

[Jackal19851111]

I'm happy with the mods and the community. It's strange because at the beginning many of us believed it impossible to mod with frostbite. I hope we haven't reached the limit anytime soon.

[Dubya75]

I'm happy with the mods and the community. It's strange because at the beginning many of us believed it impossible to mod with frostbite. I hope we haven't reached the limit anytime soon.

 

I think maybe you misunderstood: It is impossible for "Bioware" to implement core features into Frostbite 3, because, you know...it's really really difficult!

 

But lucky for us, it's not too difficult for the modding community (amateur programmers working with 3rd party tools, who don't have access to the DICE developers etc etc) to fix things in a jiffy.

[Chaos17]

[YohkoOhno]

 

You should do it anyway! Bioware has had quite enough time to come through for us on this. as far as I'm concerned, they used their "get out of jail" card. I really wish I knew of a good way to make the gaming community in general aware of what is going on here, but we are being held in this "containment" forum for a reason! Because if this mess leaks out, a lot of smug "Look at us, we won GOTY!" devs are going to soil their breeches.

 

If this really was affecting as many people as you'd believe, it would have been done already.  This existence of this thread does nothing to prevent people from communicating in other areas of the Internet.  

 

The fact that there isn't a huge outcry is most likely due to the following: when it comes to actual PC bugs, they might be isolated to specific users and when it comes to the PC especially, there's always some people with the hardware/software combo that prevents them from playing.  It probably doesn't affect the majority of players, so it's pretty much up to tech support to do their best to help.

 

And when it comes to the PC UI or outright design decisions/compromises--I guess most people feel it's okay.  For instance, I felt a few things were awkward but I adapted and it didn't prevent my interest in the game one bit.  I think most PC users are like me--it's not a game-breaking deal to us.

 

I did see people complaining about a few bugs on Twitter/Facebook, and those patches got processed--mostly the voice change bug, etc.  

 

If this was truly a big deal to most players, there'd be a lot more activity and it wouldn't be limited to this forum, and there would be a stink on the Internet about it.  At some point, people have to accept that their opinions are the minority and not representative of the majority.

 

 

[Ncongruous]

Honestly most of the game's technical problems come down to two things:
 
Poor optimization with a bad engine.
Denuvo.
 
Hell CRYENGINE 3 would have been a better choice for this game. And Denuvo? That DRM (excuse me, anti-tamper system) IMO is the cause of most of the stability problems and unusual load on CPU/RAM/HDD or SSD. Especially the latter.
 
Denuvo has been cracked. Regardless of whether or not there's a working crack floating around for everyone to download, the DRM has been defeated and it's now pointless. It's now there to punish the legitimate user like just about every other DRM in existence.

Yup. The decision on the engine could be a haphazard call or a calculated one. I don't know if Cryengine would have been better though. When I try to recall the games made with CryEngine the first games I think about are FPSs. Farcry, Crysis, Lichdom. There may be examples that fit into scheme of Dragon Age but I don't recall one. From their perspective, EA, they want to push Frostbite because it's super cheap, and the more applications it has the better. Slog out the growing pains and have an engine they could use for a decade of future development. Unfortunately it makes DA:I sound like an experiment. As CryEngine and Unreal both switched to a subscription model with the latter taking a percentage of gross sales of any product developed using it commercially. Maybe Frostbite is being developed along a similar thought stream. "That was the goal all along", he yelled before ducking into the fallout shelter and losing his tinfoil hat.
 
DRM is a cancer. Generally benign but almost all feature some dubious amount of malignancy.
 

If this really was affecting as many people as you'd believe, it would have been done already.  This existence of this thread does nothing to prevent people from communicating in other areas of the Internet.

First part I agree wholeheartedly. Nothing is preventing anyone from leaving this thread to spread the news.

 

The fact that there isn't a huge outcry is most likely due to the following: when it comes to actual PC bugs, they might be isolated to specific users and when it comes to the PC especially, there's always some people with the hardware/software combo that prevents them from playing.  It probably doesn't affect the majority of players, so it's pretty much up to tech support to do their best to help.

I think it is more indicative of not enough people caring and just accepting. "Yeah, that's odd... What else is on TV?" People just accept it for it is and move on. And I don't think the majority matters to anyone here. We're selfish beings with limited oversight. I want what I want. I won't hide that fact. Neither will I cow to the masses just because they are the masses.
 

And when it comes to the PC UI or outright design decisions/compromises--I guess most people feel it's okay.  For instance, I felt a few things were awkward but I adapted and it didn't prevent my interest in the game one bit.  I think most PC users are like me--it's not a game-breaking deal to us.

You probably are right sadly. Kind of ties into what I said above. I appreciate that you once felt like the UI was jarring and not horrible as I do. It really has done a number on my opinion. Certainly not unplayable. Agree. It's just obtuse to an extent that should not exist on the PC. For that reason I do chagrin.
 

I did see people complaining about a few bugs on Twitter/Facebook, and those patches got processed--mostly the voice change bug, etc.  
 
If this was truly a big deal to most players, there'd be a lot more activity and it wouldn't be limited to this forum, and there would be a stink on the Internet about it.  At some point, people have to accept that their opinions are the minority and not representative of the majority.

As said before above I'll accept that my opinion is the minority. Doesn't change my position on the game. And I'm hoping that with certain things you feel strongly about you won't let the majority determine how you feel about it. *rabble rabble rabble*
 

 

Man on left: This damn thing took me days to make after chasing rams down for their fur in melee mode.
Man on right: I hear that.

[MatrixGirl]

Hello people

I will not say if the game is working great or not great for me because people would crap all over me. We have to accept the fact that games change their interface and looks. We are not in the 80's now. But I saw the post yesterday that Bioware is working on the patch and it will be a big one. They ask that we are patient. And if you go on EA DAI web page every one has issues even the console players. So the game is semi broken for all. So for the people who keep saying there is no news go and check it out, and let's be civilized and patient. They know the problems and they will fix it.

Peace out!

Chill and relax

You get more flies with honey than you do with vinegar

[Dubya75]

Hello people

I will not say if the game is working great or not great for me because people would crap all over me. We have to accept the fact that games change their interface and looks. We are not in the 80's now. But I saw the post yesterday that Bioware is working on the patch and it will be a big one. They ask that we are patient. And if you go on EA DAI web page every one has issues even the console players. So the game is semi broken for all. So for the people who keep saying there is no news go and check it out, and let's be civilized and patient. They know the problems and they will fix it.

Peace out!

Chill and relax

You get more flies with honey than you do with vinegar

 

You know what? This argument that the interface and controls are just different is a load of rubbish. How about I sell you a car with square wheels and call it "different". Would that work for you? Didn't think so.

[TobyJake]

I repeat!

I mean really, why would you save a game with char 1 into the same folder as Char 2? And give it a name like DAISAVEU008CD02C5C0!!! WTF were you thinking Bioware? This is primary school thinking!! You won't make it in the real world, I am sorry to say!

 

I got shot down in flames for saying DAI was released in a beta state and should have been released later! This is alpha state, if even.

 

You cannot seriously brush this aside as a design thing! This is crap programming! Not PC, not Console. Just garbage. This would not pass first semester in any programming school!! Not walk toggle, not click to move, just basic skill. Run 3 chars to level 10. Then look in your save folder. It is unmitigated crap. 150 files with no separation. What file goes with what char? Do we have to run one char only and keep their saves separate? Total garbage. This to me explains how we got the mess that is DAI. Unfinished alpha software. If they can't get saves right, how on earth can they get a walk toggle or come up with decent hair?

This is not console vs PC!! This is so basic, it is sickening that they hold themselves up as developers. Lucky to walk and chew gum!

[Innsmouth Dweller]

Hello people

I will not say if the game is working great or not great for me because people would crap all over me. We have to accept the fact that games change their interface and looks. We are not in the 80's now. But I saw the post yesterday that Bioware is working on the patch and it will be a big one. They ask that we are patient. And if you go on EA DAI web page every one has issues even the console players. So the game is semi broken for all. So for the people who keep saying there is no news go and check it out, and let's be civilized and patient. They know the problems and they will fix it.

Peace out!

Chill and relax

You get more flies with honey than you do with vinegar

you really do well with this 'relaxing' thing by telling frustrated gamers they are stuck in 80's, good job! very civilized indeed.

 

now, take that 'cool and supportive fan' stick out of your arse so we can beat you with it.

[ShinsFortress]

Hello people

I will not say if the game is working great or not great for me because people would crap all over me. We have to accept the fact that games change their interface and looks. We are not in the 80's now. But I saw the post yesterday that Bioware is working on the patch and it will be a big one. They ask that we are patient. And if you go on EA DAI web page every one has issues even the console players. So the game is semi broken for all. So for the people who keep saying there is no news go and check it out, and let's be civilized and patient. They know the problems and they will fix it.

Peace out!

Chill and relax

You get more flies with honey than you do with vinegar

 

Be patient?  What are they doing for the people with poor game mechanics, features not implemented and some terrible terrible bugs.  Why was the game released in such a poor state?

 

As for flies and honey.  Well, I don't want flies.  And vinegar kills more bugs.

[Ncongruous]

Hello people

I will not say if the game is working great or not great for me because people would crap all over me. We have to accept the fact that games change their interface and looks. We are not in the 80's now. But I saw the post yesterday that Bioware is working on the patch and it will be a big one. They ask that we are patient. And if you go on EA DAI web page every one has issues even the console players. So the game is semi broken for all. So for the people who keep saying there is no news go and check it out, and let's be civilized and patient. They know the problems and they will fix it.

Peace out!

Chill and relax

You get more flies with honey than you do with vinegar

Unless you want fruit flies. Balsamic vinegar is their death knell.

[KilrB]

Hello people

I will not say if the game is working great or not great for me because people would crap all over me. We have to accept the fact that games change their interface and looks. We are not in the 80's now. But I saw the post yesterday that Bioware is working on the patch and it will be a big one. They ask that we are patient. And if you go on EA DAI web page every one has issues even the console players. So the game is semi broken for all. So for the people who keep saying there is no news go and check it out, and let's be civilized and patient. They know the problems and they will fix it.

Peace out!

Chill and relax

You get more flies with honey than you do with vinegar

 

Maybe someone could explain that last line to BioWare/EA ...

[Dubya75]

I repeat!

I mean really, why would you save a game with char 1 into the same folder as Char 2? And give it a name like DAISAVEU008CD02C5C0!!! WTF were you thinking Bioware? This is primary school thinking!! You won't make it in the real world, I am sorry to say!

 

I got shot down in flames for saying DAI was released in a beta state and should have been released later! This is alpha state, if even.

 

You cannot seriously brush this aside as a design thing! This is crap programming! Not PC, not Console. Just garbage. This would not pass first semester in any programming school!! Not walk toggle, not click to move, just basic skill. Run 3 chars to level 10. Then look in your save folder. It is unmitigated crap. 150 files with no separation. What file goes with what char? Do we have to run one char only and keep their saves separate? Total garbage. This to me explains how we got the mess that is DAI. Unfinished alpha software. If they can't get saves right, how on earth can they get a walk toggle or come up with decent hair?

This is not console vs PC!! This is so basic, it is sickening that they hold themselves up as developers. Lucky to walk and chew gum!

 

Yep, and this is only on the surface!

It is already a known fact that the coding for this game is an absolute mess, which is probably why they can't get it patched successfully and instead they insult our intelligence by saying "Hey, here are some dots for your sonar search! Cool, right?"

 

Bioware bit off much more than they can chew with Frostbite 3, even with the support of DICE. It's a bloody joke! 

 

CD ProjectRED will remind us of what a REAL game developer can do, comes May...

[Innsmouth Dweller]

Yep, and this is only on the surface!

It is already a known fact that the coding for this game is an absolute mess, which is probably why they can't get it patched successfully and instead they insult our intelligence by saying "Hey, here are some dots for your sonar search! Cool, right?"

 

Bioware bit off much more than they can chew with Frostbite 3, even with the support of DICE. It's a bloody joke! 

 

CD ProjectRED will remind us of what a REAL game developer can do, comes May...

well, i'm far from bashing devs/programmers for bad code. it's not that easy to write good code if you're constantly rushed by manager because the deadline, your "TODO" list is being disregarded on every run because 'it works' and there's no time for rewriting it to be more elegant and easier to fix - because you should've already written that converter art team asked yesterday. you cannot fix things after hours, because during crunch working hours are so long you barely have time to sleep.

just... yeah, they bit off more than they could chew tho.

[Jackal19851111]

Chances are, like Innsmouth mentioned - that management made the bad calls. Besides they mentioned developing for "next-gen consoles" first correct? I was a fool to have missed that promotion, which contradicts with their "by PC gamers, for PC gamers" marketing, which is all BS. I'm disappointed with how the game turned out but with mods I got as much as I could from my money's worth.

 

Regardless Bioware has proven itself as console-focused, yay if you game on consoles I guess.

 

But if you're on PC there are other developers who favor the platform, such as:

https://forums.rober...s4-and-consoles

 

I expect more console ports in the future from Bioware, or they might even go the route like they did in the past and made their games "Xbox exclusives" etc etc. Considering they obviously don't give a sh-t about us but our money. Hell how about last-gen consoles, those guys are having it worse in many instances. But the game was released on their platform so they can be milked for cash and given limited support.

 

I don't expect them to change much on the PC version as they obviously wish to defend their work and instead of working to understand the community they ignore us if we have criticism no manner how constructive we presented it in the past.

[Hurbster]

I'm still fairly staggered that we have had no word of any progress (if any) on a patch or even what they are doing. It's all been multiplayer stuff. Just a short sentence confirming that they are working on a patch would go a long way.

[Fast Jimmy]

I'm still fairly staggered that we have had no word of any progress (if any) on a patch or even what they are doing. It's all been multiplayer stuff. Just a short sentence confirming that they are working on a patch would go a long way.

Confirmed. Modders are working on a patch.