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[Brogan]

I agree, it doesn't happen often but when it does, it sucks balls. As a result I rarely if ever use quick save and most of the time I forget the option even exists. I'm just very used to saving through the menu. Call it a stubborn force of habit I have difficulties breaking.

 

And even so, I tried to play the game again this morning and I had another crash after a lousy 7 minutes, so... yeah *shrugs* I'm sure quick saving doesn't corrupt save games in DAI but that still doesn't help me now My last hope is a functional Nvidia driver/patch.

 

Apologize if you've already listed it, but what GPU do you have?

[Monica21]

From the previously mentioned Reddit thread:

 

i was hoping to find an answer here because the manual on EA's website FOR PC has XBOX 360 control commands...in THE PC MANUAL! IF I WANTED XBOX 360 COMMANDS I WOULD OWN A FREAKING XBOX.

 

 

Since I preloaded from Origin I didn't bother with the manual and actually did one of these when I read that.

 

 

And then I did this.

 

(I love that there's a misspelling in a fail meme. Heh.)

 

 

That's pretty shitty. Maybe if they'd told me in advance that this game was optimized for gamepad usage, I might have been better off with that. And to be fair to Bioware, I actually managed to play 7 hours yesterday with no crashes (yay!) and got enough power to get out of the Hinterlands. So far, I like the game. I hate hate hate hate hate the gameplay, but I like the game. I haven't gotten far enough into it to have a good idea of whether I'll continue to like the game, but it's better than DA2.

 

The only problem I had yesterday was how difficult it was to actually play the game. Seven hours in and I'm still jumping when I mean to pause and accidentally stabbing my companions. And not having auto-follow and auto-attack during combat is a really ridiculous, and frankly stupid, design decision.

 

And Bioware, the KB/M controls is a legitimate usability issue. I think you know this, but someone upthread mentioned (maybe sarcastically) "thanks for the arthritis." I have lupus and often have painful and swollen wrists and fingers. I've seen others mention more serious issues. This is not just bad design, this is a legitimate physical issue for a lot of people who bought your game.

 

 

tl;dr: The game itself is so far pretty damn good. Actually playing the game sucks.

[Durin Duranbah]

Maybe not, but I do understand the pain in my mouse hand is because I'm forced to use both mouse buttons at the same time to play the game (combat). Thanks for the arthritis Bioware. Oh, use a controller? on a PC? ha! I actually did try but only 2 buttons worked and I had to task manager out of the game the game (as no menu options worked) and delete the profile information just to get back in, lol.

Oh thats because you probably didn't use an original Xbox©™ Controller. Please come again when you bought that one please. I can suggest you a list of the biggest retail stores near you...

[jcmuki]

Seeing as they are the last few people from old bioware left that would further destroy the company. Give laidlaw his credit, the game is good underneath all the bullshit UI/control choices.

like digging through a turd to find that gold nugget underneath it

[Shelled]

So have they said anything about what they are going to work on or what the first patch will have in it, and if there is any ETA?

 

[Pen-N-Paper]

you would have a better chance to get world peace

to bioware/ea they already made money by people purchasing the game

 

lately it seem companies only care about the short term profit over the long term profit,

cultivating good will and retaining returning customers seems to be secondary properity or not a proerity to them

You're not comprehending the power of using public media to reach and connect your message to institutional investors and a Board of Directors.

 

You are probably only 3 or 4 connections away from one of those people who can call for the head of anyone at Bioware. Maybe as close as a friend of a friend. Use Facebook. Use Twitter. Use Reddit, Use LinkedIn. Use these "mainstream" public channels. Stay away from 4chan and these niche gamer places no one driving a respectable Lexus would bother with. If people with money invested in Bioware see stock drop by $4 on Monday's trading, after the company's hype of DA3 brought it up 20% within a month (a month that saw a delay in deployment)... well, you can figure it out without me condescending surely.

 

A great many of you are the loyal voices that need to be heard. But you will not be heard unless you can connect your voice to the (+/-) money.

[jcmuki]

Shelled, on 23 Nov 2014 - 11:18 AM, said:
So have they said anything about what they are going to work on or what the first patch will have in it, and if there is any ETA?

 

^^^ click your heel three times and say there is no place like home and the patch will be out /s

[Hurbster]

Pretty much everything about the game is awesome apart from the bugs and performance problems. Rolling back my Nvidia drivers helped a lot with performance but it's still pretty poor. I was not expecting such a console port. But it's Bioware - QC testing is something done by other companies as far as they are concerned.

 

Running an AMD FX 6300 3.5ghz 6 core processor with 8 gigs DDR3 and a Geforce 650.

[Endee]

Apologize if you've already listed it, but what GPU do you have?

Nvidia GTX 980 with 4GB ram, with the latest 344.75 driver. I also rolled back to the previous 344.65 driver to see if that helped but nope.

[Monica21]

You're not comprehending the power of using public media to reach and connect your message to institutional investors and a Board of Directors.

 

You are probably only 3 or 4 connections away from one of those people who can call for the head of anyone at Bioware. Maybe as close as a friend of a friend. Use Facebook. Use Twitter. Use Reddit, Use LinkedIn. Use these "mainstream" public channels. Stay away from 4chan and these niche gamer places no one driving a respectable Lexus would bother with. If people with money invested in Bioware see stock drop by $4 on Monday's trading, after the company's hype of DA3 brought it up 20% within a month (a month that saw a delay in deployment)... well, you can figure it out without me condescending surely.

 

A great many of you are the loyal voices that need to be heard. But you will not be heard unless you can connect your voice to the (+/-) money.

 

I honestly think you'd be going after the wrong people. Being a game developer is a crap job that I wouldn't wish on anyone, and many things are cut or slashed entirely for the sake of a release date. If we're going to use torches and pitchforks, how about going after EA for forcing a game out that isn't ready rather than Bioware for not doing everything they wanted to do.

[Dakota Strider]

I know this thread is mainly about what Bioware should fix, and can patch that will make the game playable.  But there are decisions they have made that have radically changed the whole concept of what an RPG was supposed to be.  Almost all player decisions have been removed, or minimized.  Players are no longer in control of such basic things as deciding the stat allocation of their characters.  The choices for character classes has been dropped to a few cookie cutter clones.  I know most of our comparisons of the "good old days of Bioware" talk about DAO, but we can go back even farther.  Bioware showed us how to make a great RPG with the Baldur's Gate and Neverwinter Nights series.  Those games all offered at least a score of possible player classes, without even considering the choice of multi-classing.  We could build our characters from the ground up, and they truly were ours.

 

Now, our characters are just playing a part in a script, with barely an illusion of free choice while we play.  I am guessing that Bioware could make a great animated movie, because that is what they are presenting us with.  After all of the complaints after DA2, I thought the developers said they were going to return to the roots of the company, and make a great Role Playing Game.  Instead, they have gone in just the opposite direction. 

 

I am going to play through this game...maybe even twice.  Will certainly enjoy it more if they patch all the concerns for PCs that are patchable.  But I can already see, this game is not going to be replayed over and over like my old BW games.  And because of that, I don't believe I am getting the same value that I used to from BW games.  I got fooled into believing the hype that this was going to be a PC game, built by PC gamers.  Never again.  The next BW game I buy, will be at least 6 months after its release, when I can get it at reduced price, and most of the patches have been created.

[rupok93]

Shelled, on 23 Nov 2014 - 11:18 AM, said:
So have they said anything about what they are going to work on or what the first patch will have in it, and if there is any ETA?

 

^^^ click your heel three times and say there is no place like home and the patch will be out /s

 

Nope, I can guarantee that with EA's timeframe it won't be until next month.

[Monica21]

I know this thread is mainly about what Bioware should fix, and can patch that will make the game playable.  But there are decisions they have made that have radically changed the whole concept of what an RPG was supposed to be.  Almost all player decisions have been removed, or minimized.  Players are no longer in control of such basic things as deciding the stat allocation of their characters.  The choices for character classes has been dropped to a few cookie cutter clones.  I know most of our comparisons of the "good old days of Bioware" talk about DAO, but we can go back even farther.  Bioware showed us how to make a great RPG with the Baldur's Gate and Neverwinter Nights series.  Those games all offered at least a score of possible player classes, without even considering the choice of multi-classing.  We could build our characters from the ground up, and they truly were ours.

 

Now, our characters are just playing a part in a script, with barely an illusion of free choice while we play.  I am guessing that Bioware could make a great animated movie, because that is what they are presenting us with.  After all of the complaints after DA2, I thought the developers said they were going to return to the roots of the company, and make a great Role Playing Game.  Instead, they have gone in just the opposite direction. 

 

I am going to play through this game...maybe even twice.  Will certainly enjoy it more if they patch all the concerns for PCs that are patchable.  But I can already see, this game is not going to be replayed over and over like my old BW games.  And because of that, I don't believe I am getting the same value that I used to from BW games.  I got fooled into believing the hype that this was going to be a PC game, built by PC gamers.  Never again.  The next BW game I buy, will be at least 6 months after its release, when I can get it at reduced price, and most of the patches have been created.

 

Wholeheartedly agree. That said, I've probably gotten so used to this trend that I barely notice it anymore. Your character has a voice and is given options to respond. She's given the option to play into this "Herald" business, but not much beyond that. Its decision-making is much better than other "RPGs" I've played (looking at you, Oblivion). I kind of want to at least have the option to use my title to instill fear, but I can't. I'm still killing wolves and building watchtowers. And leading druffalo home. Basically, my goal is to get people to like me by doing stuff whether I want that or not. Unless I'm missing out on an essential gameplay feature, in which case, please tell me.

[Pen-N-Paper]

Seeing as they are the last few people from old bioware left that would further destroy the company. Give laidlaw his credit, the game is good underneath all the bullshit UI/control choices.

Now, let me test your thoughts....

Why do you think he is the last of the few people from old Bioware to keep his job at Bioware? Is it because he is "stupid" do you think? Is it because he is towing the new company line?

 

I mean, I do not know. But let's not rush to appease someone when the accountability is as plain as the product he oversaw.

 

As for my comment, if anyone is linked to financial loss, he or she shall be fired. There is a learning curve that was missed in the period between DA2 and DA3. I would not necessarily call it scapgoating to fire the people in charge.

[Pen-N-Paper]

tl;dr: The game itself is so far pretty damn good. Actually playing the game sucks.

The operation was a success. The patient died.

 

Now we see if an effort to resuscitate sales for the PC will succeed. Or if the whole DA3 PC fiasco will just reinforce or harden the idea within the company to abandon games for the PC platform.

[Brogan]

feel there should be betting pool on when bioware release a patch or actually give some communication on what their doing to address the concern because acordding to them "Player experience is a top priority for us" 

 

1 week

2-3 weeks

1-3 months

4-6 months

7-9 months

 

bet the patch will come when MS/Sony approves of the patch when ever that is, cause why just release a pc only patch

 

If you belonged to the admittedly small minority who believed there was a conspiracy this summer that Bioware was mandated by MS to downplay, delay, and outright lie about the PC version in order to keep pre-orders from straying, would it be so shocking to learn that delaying patch approval was also a possibility by the same company who thinks PC gamers might, post-release, just give up and buy the XB version?

 

The comments in the media made by Cameron Lee http://www.videogame...nquisition.html as well as the demonstration on PC by Laidlaw (using Kb+M on camera) and Lee (controller?) the week before launch seem like someone should have known better. Now it is possible that this is just a job to these guys and they hang on to it, as many would do, by feining interest in the end product. Hence the lack of "testing." The game worked fine on Laidlaw's computer at the office - which is entirely possible because once in a great while I have read a comment that said all was okay. If it was tested on only one type of computer, this would likely account for the few comments saying the game works just fine. It would also suggest poor diligence has left Bioware blindsided.

 

The problems are more than just tweaks.

And Laidlaw, on behalf of his team, and Darrah, on behalf of the division, should be fired.

 

That first pc stream with him and Laidlaw was embarrassing.  It was like Mike was showing Cameron features for the first time, and his fake enthusiasm was palpable.

 

I honestly don't think Cameron Lee gives a crap about the PC version.  From every interview, stream, and comment he has struck me as a console generation fanboy from the beginning.

[am0n]

Seeing as they are the last few people from old bioware left that would further destroy the company. Give laidlaw his credit, the game is good underneath all the bullshit UI/control choices.

 

Credit should be given where credit is due.  A "great game" that is buried under a pile of **** is still buried under a pile of ****.

[Durin Duranbah]

I know this thread is mainly about what Bioware should fix, and can patch that will make the game playable.  But there are decisions they have made that have radically changed the whole concept of what an RPG was supposed to be.  Almost all player decisions have been removed, or minimized.  Players are no longer in control of such basic things as deciding the stat allocation of their characters.  The choices for character classes has been dropped to a few cookie cutter clones.  I know most of our comparisons of the "good old days of Bioware" talk about DAO, but we can go back even farther.  Bioware showed us how to make a great RPG with the Baldur's Gate and Neverwinter Nights series.  Those games all offered at least a score of possible player classes, without even considering the choice of multi-classing.  We could build our characters from the ground up, and they truly were ours.

 

Now, our characters are just playing a part in a script, with barely an illusion of free choice while we play.  I am guessing that Bioware could make a great animated movie, because that is what they are presenting us with.  After all of the complaints after DA2, I thought the developers said they were going to return to the roots of the company, and make a great Role Playing Game.  Instead, they have gone in just the opposite direction. 

 

I am going to play through this game...maybe even twice.  Will certainly enjoy it more if they patch all the concerns for PCs that are patchable.  But I can already see, this game is not going to be replayed over and over like my old BW games.  And because of that, I don't believe I am getting the same value that I used to from BW games.  I got fooled into believing the hype that this was going to be a PC game, built by PC gamers.  Never again.  The next BW game I buy, will be at least 6 months after its release, when I can get it at reduced price, and most of the patches have been created.

 

Of course they SAID that. Words are cheap and in this case completely useless. They truely showed their money grabbing faces with this game. Mobile compaion games, browser games, ect. I started that "The Last court game" but it was released so shortly before DA:I that you HAD to buy points if you wanted to play it through before DA:I came out. 1 action point every 20 min, or paying cash to play? And it was supposed to be a story bridge too, that could be imported. Really Bioware? REALLY?

[Brogan]

Nvidia GTX 980 with 4GB ram, with the latest 344.75 driver. I also rolled back to the previous 344.65 driver to see if that helped but nope.

 

Is it overclocked?

[Pen-N-Paper]

That first pc stream with him and Laidlaw was embarrassing.  It was like Mike was showing Cameron features for the first time, and his fake enthusiasm was palpable.

 

I honestly don't think Cameron Lee gives a crap about the PC version.  From every interview, stream, and comment he has struck me as a console generation fanboy from the beginning.

My google skillz are not up to it.

Can you provide the link to that video for me, please? I was searching for it but, alas, all I could find was Internet rage at DA3.

 

I guess PC users have better and more immediate access to The Internet than console gamers.....

[BammBamm]

at least the fps controls in borderlands are like other fps controls

inquistion has weird crpg controls like no click to move or loot usually expected from CRPGs, i mean compare Divinity: Original Sin to Inquisition

Divinity does the everthing so much better, better ui, controls, even tactical camera-i can actually see who i am attacking

 

funnily in tactical view you can click to loot and i really love dos but its not perfect too and has its flaws in other parts (f.e. balancing which is more gamebreaking)

 

i dont defend the clunky controls and ui of da:i, i critize them myself. but they are not so bad the game is unplayable nor its worse than a game like borderlands which is a crappy console port too. a lot of dramaqueens invading the forum of a game thats not so bad some people want it to have.

 

and no da:i is no classic crpg game anymore, they wanted to melt a 3rd person rpg with a crpg and didnt managed to do it well. but most of the time the game is totally playable in a good way, tactical view is not useless it just let you not sit in the sky and play chess. the only real gamebreaker i have seen are some caves where the 3rd person and the tactical view are bugged, you have to steer every char seperatly in it because they didnt managed to cross the border between cave and outside. rest is fine and when an object is in your way just move the camera a little

[jcmuki]

If you belonged to the admittedly small minority who believed there was a conspiracy this summer that Bioware was mandated by MS to downplay, delay, and outright lie about the PC version in order to keep pre-orders from straying, would it be so shocking to learn that delaying patch approval was also a possibility by the same company who thinks PC gamers might, post-release, just give up and buy the XB version?

funny cause i keep seeing ads for inquistion to buy it on the XBone and X360 and not the PC, PS4, PS3 wonder why

lets put on our think caps figure out why..

[Brogan]

My google skillz are not up to it.

Can you provide the link to that video for me, please? I was searching for it but, alas, all I could find was Internet rage at DA3.

 

I guess PC users have better and more immediate access to The Internet than console gamers.....

 

 

Part2:

 

[Pen-N-Paper]

 If we're going to use torches and pitchforks, how about going after EA for forcing a game out that isn't ready rather than Bioware for not doing everything they wanted to do.

Simply because the wrong people are at Bioware. The right people would have the backbone not to do it. The right people would be honest with their customer. The right people would be able to control their division. Full stop.

 

EA is not a conspiracy to destroy Bioware. A profitable Bioware is a profitable EA.  EA's stock (not Bioware) went up 20% (TWENTY PER CENT) based upon expected sales of DA3.

 

The PC version should have been delayed - just like LA Noire - if it was not ready for release, which it was not. Some "EA suit" is not in charge of that decision. Some "EA suit" may not even be aware of the problem with a PC port. (And he or she does not need to be.) But people like Darrah and Laidlaw should. What did they do? You think EA suits like to see the up and down ride its stock too this week? The people in charage of development for the game should be accountable.

 

The silence from Bioware is deafening.

[Pen-N-Paper]

It was like Mike was showing Cameron features for the first time, and his fake enthusiasm was palpable.

Maybe Mike already knows it is time to move on.... the thought occurs to me. Maybe being fired would be a blessing.