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[MisterMannIndy]

I was here yesterday and witnessed the lock.  I said to myself ... odd decision - the anger is just going to spill out into all sorts of other threads now.  Sure enough people were elsewhere venting harder because of the lock.  

 

So now they've unlocked this thread and somehow the genie is back in the bottle as PC gamers' frustrations are once again contained in this nice little thread (bottle).

 

You all realize we are the laughing stock at BooWare, right?  In between GOTY tweets and congratulatory water cooler back slaps, this thread is the punchline to every breakroom joke.  

 

Laidlaw to Darrah in the breakroom:  "Hey stop me if you heard this one ... how do you stop an angry mob?"

Darrah:  "Oh man, I think you told me this already, but I've been so busy after the holidays catching up on all my congratulatory email that I've forgotten"

Laidlaw:  "You're going to love this one, Mark ...... <giggling> .... you give them their own forum to b#tch in!!!"  hahahahahaha!   

Darrah: <laughing hysterically>  "hahahahahaha ... oh yeah .... I did that so long ago, I forgot the punchline to my own joke ... hahahah.  Man, that never gets old."

 

The only reason this thread is re-open is to contain the "problem".  

[Dubya75]

I'm actually impressed it wasn't locked before, we are being watched for sure. Better having your angry customers complaining in one thread than all over the forum and other sites, I guess.

 

Perhaps we are being watched....but it is quite alarming to me how one of the devs stated in a post (linked below) that they are not using this forum to gather information about bugs and other issues with the game. Instead we are to use the Answers HQ. So all this feedback is....wasted? 

Bioware's information gathering strategy is laughable to say the least. Why did they create a Feedback and Suggestions sub-forum then? I mean, everything they need to know is right here in theses forums. But they are turning a blind eye to it and redirecting us elsewhere and for what?! This likely means that only the issues that was reported on Answers HQ will be included in the patch and even then there is no guarantee. 

 

I am starting to suspect Patch 3 is going to be an absolute joke.

 

http://forum.bioware...ues/?p=18111087

[Dubya75]

I was here yesterday and witnessed the lock.  I said to myself ... odd decision - the anger is just going to spill out into all sorts of other threads now.  Sure enough people were elsewhere venting harder because of the lock.  

 

So now they've unlocked this thread and somehow the genie is back in the bottle as PC gamers' frustrations are once again contained in this nice little thread (bottle).

 

You all realize we are the laughing stock at BooWare, right?  In between GOTY tweets and congratulatory water cooler back slaps, this thread is the punchline to every breakroom joke.  

 

Laidlaw to Darrah in the breakroom:  "Hey stop me if you heard this one ... how do you stop an angry mob?"

Darrah:  "Oh man, I think you told me this already, but I've been so busy after the holidays catching up on all my congratulatory email that I've forgotten"

Laidlaw:  "You're going to love this one, Mark ...... <giggling> .... you give them their own forum to b#tch in!!!"  hahahahahaha!   

Darrah: <laughing hysterically>  "hahahahahaha ... oh yeah .... I did that so long ago, I forgot the punchline to my own joke ... hahahah.  Man, that never gets old."

 

The only reason this thread is re-open is to contain the "problem".  

 

And then we stop buying their games...

 

And then EA gives Bioware the boot....

 

And then we'll be laughing around the water cooler!

[Jam_Sandwich]

I've opted for a daily tweet @dragonage

As yet no answer

[MisterMannIndy]

Why did they create a Feedback and Suggestions sub-forum then? I mean, everything they need to know is right here in theses forums. But they are turning a blind eye to it and redirecting us elsewhere and for what?!

 

Containment ...

 

Damage Control.  Whatever you call it, this is a classic strategy used to manage discontent.  

 

This thread was locked because a mod felt it was time to tone it down (did their job).  They weren't in on Darrah's strategy, however.  Once the discontent started to infect other areas of the board, someone "in on" the strategy overruled the lock.

 

Now all us sheep are back in the pen....

[MisterMannIndy]

And then we stop buying their games...

 

And then EA gives Bioware the boot....

 

And then we'll be laughing around the water cooler!

 

No one likes being marginalized ... that's exactly what's going on though.  The PC community is not part of the main go to market strategy of EA.  We are on the periphery.  The PC will receive PORTS from next gen consoles as long as the development required is insignificant compared to the overall investment.  Meaning we get crap like DA:I delivered with the promise of "PC games from PC Gamers ...."  Big public publishers like EA are simply revenue driven and the strategy makes sense.

 

From EA perspective, this means we (the PC community) are marginalized.  Our opinions don't matter.  Our dollars are pennies compared to the console revenues and our threats of shopping elsewhere matter little to them.

 

Now if Sony or MSFT were upset about something, you can bet there'd be a different level of reaction completely.

 

Hey BioWare/EA

Just because I understand what's happening from a business perspective, doesn't mean I accept being treated this way.  Do unto others ..... as the saying goes.

[KilrB]

I was here yesterday too, looked over at the "patch" thread, came back here and LOCK DOWN!

 

My immediate thought was ... "uh oh, if they thought it was bad before, they're in for it now".

 

Somebody made a mistake.

 

It was a big mistake, but it was corrected and I cannot side with those calling for somebody to "loose their job" over this.

 

It's not like we didn't have other options, and some of us exercised those options ... which is a big reason we are back here.

 

Thank you to those that did so.

[tartusterre]

 

 

Perhaps we are being watched....but it is quite alarming to me how one of the devs stated in a post (linked below) that they are not using this forum to gather information about bugs and other issues with the game. Instead we are to use the Answers HQ. 

 

I hope not, because when you read the blurb on the Answers HQ it infers that the only people monitoring it are users, not employees of Bioware, and it is a self-help forum for us to "gain XP" by posting and helping other members of the community.  In fact, it's a cost cutting exercise that they do not need to monitor because we police it ourselves.

[Circlestrafe]

I was here yesterday and witnessed the lock.  I said to myself ... odd decision - the anger is just going to spill out into all sorts of other threads now.  Sure enough people were elsewhere venting harder because of the lock.  

 

So now they've unlocked this thread and somehow the genie is back in the bottle as PC gamers' frustrations are once again contained in this nice little thread (bottle).

 

You all realize we are the laughing stock at BooWare, right?  In between GOTY tweets and congratulatory water cooler back slaps, this thread is the punchline to every breakroom joke.  

 

Laidlaw to Darrah in the breakroom:  "Hey stop me if you heard this one ... how do you stop an angry mob?"

Darrah:  "Oh man, I think you told me this already, but I've been so busy after the holidays catching up on all my congratulatory email that I've forgotten"

Laidlaw:  "You're going to love this one, Mark ...... <giggling> .... you give them their own forum to b#tch in!!!"  hahahahahaha!   

Darrah: <laughing hysterically>  "hahahahahaha ... oh yeah .... I did that so long ago, I forgot the punchline to my own joke ... hahahah.  Man, that never gets old."

 

The only reason this thread is re-open is to contain the "problem".  

You realize Bioware is the laughing stock of PC gamers?  They've been on a downward spiral for.. it's been so long, why do we even care anymore?  If they're happy with churning out mediocre drivel, relative to the outstanding products they've created in the past, more power to them.

Joe ExtraMile Biowarian: [Hey, we have the capability to create an incredible game across all platforms.]

Jim WhyWhenWeDontHaveTo Lamer: [Nah, the PC is too difficult, let's just stick with entry level, consoles!]

Betty TinyBitBetterThanIndieButNowhereNearOurPastOrAAA [Not like we're advanced enough to compete with that SeeDeeProjeckt Witch or whatever anyway]

 

You understand that WE know they're pathetic, even if their warped sense of accomplishment blinds them to that very fact, negating any chance of future redemption or quality PC software.  They're happy with being just about average.

[Dubya75]

No one likes being marginalized ... that's exactly what's going on though.  The PC community is not part of the main go to market strategy of EA.  We are on the periphery.  The PC will receive PORTS from next gen consoles as long as the development required is insignificant compared to the overall investment.  Meaning we get crap like DA:I delivered with the promise of "PC games from PC Gamers ...."  Big public publishers like EA are simply revenue driven and the strategy makes sense.

 

From EA perspective, this means we (the PC community) are marginalized.  Our opinions don't matter.  Our dollars are pennies compared to the console revenues and our threats of shopping elsewhere matter little to them.

 

Now if Sony or MSFT were upset about something, you can bet there'd be a different level of reaction completely.

 

Hey BioWare/EA

Just because I understand what's happening from a business perspective, doesn't mean I accept being treated this way.  Do unto others ..... as the saying goes.

 

It is as you say.

 

But I couldn't care less about EA. We all know what they're about.

 

But Bioware? They used to be all about the love of gaming and creating games to match their passion as was evident in DAO, to mention only one. Why would they shift their focus so drastically just because they are owned by EA? It is not EA telling them to stop communicating with their fan base, and I very much doubt EA told them to sell us a bunch of lies about what to expect in this game. That was all Bioware.

But then I guess Bioware is only the sum of its parts and with EA's Cameron Lee coming into the mix as "Producer" for example (go look at his LinkedIn page to see what he's all about) I guess it is no real surprise that the focus has indeed shifted. It happens. It is sad that it does but such is life.

 

The thing I can't excuse however is them doing business with me on false premise. Selling me a bunch of lies and then expecting me to be grateful for their effort. We are in business, me and Bioware. We have an agreement: they create a product and I trade them that product for currency and in turn they create more product. Demand and supply.

But then what happens when this business arrangement is betrayed? Simple - I take my business elsewhere. 

Is that good business practise on their part? Definitely not! Because I sure as hell am not the only one feeling this way, only a vocal minority that expresses frustrations many other quietly endure.

 

In the end, I (we) am the one with the power, NOT Bioware! Without us buying their games and staying interested in their franchise, they are like a fart in the wind. They will simply fade away eventually.

It is a very competitive market and if they really think they are immune to failure, good luck to them!

[Ashen Nedra]

I was here yesterday and witnessed the lock.  I said to myself ... odd decision - the anger is just going to spill out into all sorts of other threads now.  Sure enough people were elsewhere venting harder because of the lock.  

 

So now they've unlocked this thread and somehow the genie is back in the bottle as PC gamers' frustrations are once again contained in this nice little thread (bottle).

 

You all realize we are the laughing stock at BooWare, right?  In between GOTY tweets and congratulatory water cooler back slaps, this thread is the punchline to every breakroom joke.  

 

Laidlaw to Darrah in the breakroom:  "Hey stop me if you heard this one ... how do you stop an angry mob?"

Darrah:  "Oh man, I think you told me this already, but I've been so busy after the holidays catching up on all my congratulatory email that I've forgotten"

Laidlaw:  "You're going to love this one, Mark ...... <giggling> .... you give them their own forum to b#tch in!!!"  hahahahahaha!   

Darrah: <laughing hysterically>  "hahahahahaha ... oh yeah .... I did that so long ago, I forgot the punchline to my own joke ... hahahah.  Man, that never gets old."

 

The only reason this thread is re-open is to contain the "problem".  

 

 

Why don't we all try to give the guy who created this thread some support: http://forum.bioware...-patches/page-3

[Dubya75]

You realize Bioware is the laughing stock of PC gamers?  They've been on a downward spiral for.. it's been so long, why do we even care anymore?  If they're happy with churning out mediocre drivel, relative to the outstanding products they've created in the past, more power to them.

Joe ExtraMile Biowarian: [Hey, we have the capability to create an incredible game across all platforms.]

Jim WhyWhenWeDontHaveTo Lamer: [Nah, the PC is too difficult, let's just stick with entry level, consoles!]

Betty TinyBitBetterThanIndieButNowhereNearOurPastOrAAA [Not like we're advanced enough to compete with that SeeDeeProjeckt Witch or whatever anyway]

 

You understand that WE know they're pathetic, even if their warped sense of accomplishment blinds them to that very fact, negating any chance of future redemption or quality PC software.  They're happy with being just about average.

 

And the fact that they had a golden chance to move from being average to outstanding and squandered it on greed (trying to make a game for everyone on every conceivable platform instead of the RPG market) make them look even more foolish. They want to be a Jack-Of-All-Trades, which will also make them Master-Of-None.

 

As I've said before, DAI is a glossy magazine that everyone buys but forget just as quickly. And when that happens, it marks the beginning of the end.

[glosoli]

I was here yesterday and witnessed the lock.  I said to myself ... odd decision - the anger is just going to spill out into all sorts of other threads now.  Sure enough people were elsewhere venting harder because of the lock.  

 

So now they've unlocked this thread and somehow the genie is back in the bottle as PC gamers' frustrations are once again contained in this nice little thread (bottle).

 

You all realize we are the laughing stock at BooWare, right?  In between GOTY tweets and congratulatory water cooler back slaps, this thread is the punchline to every breakroom joke.  

 

Laidlaw to Darrah in the breakroom:  "Hey stop me if you heard this one ... how do you stop an angry mob?"

Darrah:  "Oh man, I think you told me this already, but I've been so busy after the holidays catching up on all my congratulatory email that I've forgotten"

Laidlaw:  "You're going to love this one, Mark ...... <giggling> .... you give them their own forum to b#tch in!!!"  hahahahahaha!   

Darrah: <laughing hysterically>  "hahahahahaha ... oh yeah .... I did that so long ago, I forgot the punchline to my own joke ... hahahah.  Man, that never gets old."

 

The only reason this thread is re-open is to contain the "problem".  

 

They can tell/create jokes about anyone they want but when the Patch 3 hits and if it breaks the game like the Patch 2, they will be in for a big surprise.

 

By the way, they can look into Jay Wilson case. D3 sold millions and made a big profit as well, it did not save poor Wilson.

[ThermoShep]

Anyone know what the ETA is for the pc patch. i.e. Patch 3?  I had a look around but can't find anything. 

 

[Sartoz]

 Snip

 

I'd say I couldn't because it's does not feel finished, fix a few basic things... fix the bugs in the combat system, and redesign it so it actually plays

 

Snip

Redesign?

 

That's asking too much. If you read only the Bioware posts, here and in patch 2 thread, you will come across an entry that says.. paraphrasing here:-->" the game is too complex and some things had to be disabled because it could not be fixed" .... interesting tidbit.

 

No I'm not asking for a redesign.... but asking for  basic PC game controls?.. absolutely !

[Dubya75]

Redesign?

 

That's asking too much. If you read only the Bioware posts, here and in patch 2 thread, you will come across an entry that says.. paraphrasing here:-->" the game is too complex and some things had to be disabled because it could not be fixed" .... interesting tidbit.

 

No I'm not asking for a redesign.... but asking for  basic PC game controls?.. absolutely !

 

"the game is too complex and some things had to be disabled because it could not be fixed"

 

also translated...

 

"we were too incompetent to get this game right, even with a 4 year development cycle, but that's OK because we could still sell those features that didn't make it into the game anyway".

 

When I see a software/game developer make excuses for failing at what they do because it is "too complicated" I really don't want to give them any more of my money.

[Sartoz]

I'm actually impressed it wasn't locked before, we are being watched for sure. Better having your angry customers complaining in one thread than all over the forum and other sites, I guess.

Not surprised at being watched... especially by EA security. In the past threats were made.

 

Just to let you know.

[Brogan]

I've opted for a daily tweet @dragonage

As yet no answer

 

Reading that feed makes me throw up...

 

Seriously, I defy you to spend more than 2 minutes reading that and not want to choke a puppy.

[Sartoz]

“Electronic Arts continues to put our players first, delivering new experiences, innovation and new ways to play,” said Chief Executive Officer Andrew Wilson.

 

A +1 point for Mr. Wilson.

 

EA/Bio did deliver, for the PC community,

 

1. new UI gaming experiences

2. game innovation with a Dragon Age sonar system

3. A definite new way to play Dragon Age Inquisition with the innovative PC controls

4. And Mr Wilson did put EA's players first with the task of troubleshooting DAI.

 

Congrats Mr. Wilson!

[Lycana]

Not surprised at being watched... especially by EA security. In the past threats were made.

 

Just to let you know.

Gamers are weird....Some send threats, some send cupcakes.

 

Bioware received cookies from fans before the release, but as gratitude. The Cookisition was a mistake.

[Brogan]

“Electronic Arts continues to put our players first, delivering new experiences, innovation and new ways to play,” said Chief Executive Officer Andrew Wilson.

 

A +1 point for Mr. Wilson.

 

EA/Bio did deliver, for the PC community,

 

1. new UI gaming experiences

2. game innovation with a Dragon Age sonar system

3. A definite new way to play Dragon Age Inquisition with the innovative PC controls

4. And Mr Wilson did put EA's players first with the task of troubleshooting DAI.

 

Congrats Mr. Wilson!

 

"New ways to play"

 

How ironic this phrase was used, considering they removed all overlapping controls in the pc control scheme...  Which allowed you to play the game in multiple ways!@

[Marakov7]

I only have a few issues with the game: no auto attack, archer and mage companions that insist on entering melee range during combat, companions that keep getting in the way and don't move when I'm trying to explore. Other than that, I'm okay with just about everything with the game and I have enjoyed it quite a bit.

 

However, I have read about others who have had huge issues with crashes, bugs, glitches, etc. The virtually complete lack of feedback from Bioware is definitely disconcerting and reflects badly on their collective attitude. Oh, Gaider has always visions of grandeur...acting like he's the second coming of Dostoevsky or something...but that attitude seems to permeate the entire organization, not just him.

 

I have experienced many launches of rpg and mmo games and, quite frankly, most have had rockier starts than DAI...it took a year for Skyrim to become "playable" for me. But those other games have always taken great pains to communicate with their customers...letting them know what was going on, and was planned in the future. This was done on a daily basis, I see virtually nothing here from Bioware for over a month. I always felt that at least the other companies were trying to address their customers' issues...not true for Bioware in regards to DAI.

 

As others have said, I place the blame completely on Bioware's plate, not EA...Bioware has no problem taking accolades, it's time they did a gut check and embrace the negatives as well. I have not had as bad of an experience as many have, but Bioware's response (or lack thereof) to people's concerns gives me pause. I have little faith in them and will not be purchasing their games in the future because I simply don't trust them and their attitude toward customers' problems really turns me off. Who's to say that I won't have problems with their next game, then I'll be the one being ignored.

[Frenrihr]

"the game is too complex and some things had to be disabled because it could not be fixed"

 

also translated...

 

"we were too incompetent to get this game right, even with a 4 year development cycle, but that's OK because we could still sell those features that didn't make it into the game anyway".

 

When I see a software/game developer make excuses for failing at what they do because it is "too complicated" I really don't want to give them any more of my money.

 

And this is true, the game feels realy bad specially the side content, because those "features" were removed from the game, that is why it feels soooo pointless to do all the side content to get power and influence, it dosent feel right.

 

And like this dude said, they never said to us BEFORE we bought the game, we had to find OURSELVES that they were not in the game.

[Sith Fenix]

Have they fixed the PC controls yet? The game is practically unplayable on the PC unless you are using a controller (as it seems they made this game for the consoles specifically).