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[digma87]

Yep, that makes no sense (for me) while you can put makeup on both genders. I like Saint`s Row 3&4 for this reason, you can swap hairstyle and clothes regardless of the gender. Sometimes it`s really hilarious, sometimes even cool.
Not speaking of my dream of making Arishock-like (from DA2) qunari is broken by fixed haircuts.

Speaking of qunari, why do they look too much like humans with horns? That`s hitting my uncanny valley pretty hard.

[Errationatus]

Dear Amelia, et al,

 

Yes, we all know that these forums are all 'toxic'.  Here's a little heads-up for you breathing that rarefied air, as maybe its purity has made you a little lightheaded - most of us are understandably concerned about the many, many problems with DAI's PC performance, which has frankly been ludicrously poor, but the main concern, for me, at any rate is not that.  Eventually you people will be forced to fix it and I'm not some whiny 12 year old.  I have patience.  I can wait it out.  I have alternatives.

 

Also, I understand the idea behind marketing.  I get it.  This is the very way of advertising, as old as civilization:  the right god gets you to the right heaven.  The right leader takes you to glory.  Republicans Care.  Peace Through Superior Firepower.  Cologne will get you laid.  The right beer will get you laid.  The right car/truck will give you extra hairy testicles and get you laid.  Smoking used to be good for you (and will likely get you laid).  Giving your babies 7-UP was good for them.  Santa only drinks Coke. "It's so simple even a woman can use it!".  

 

Boobies can sell anything.

 

We get that, we mindless plebs in the great unwashed.  We have an understanding that exaggeration is the norm in advertising.  We're not being sold a product but a lifestyle, life-changing things. Capitalism is Good.  Consumerism is Better.  Advertisers have always considered us a little bit stupid.  They also know it's cheaper to print a flashier new box than change the product - or do people actually believe that oxygen in their soap cleans better?  Really? That extra-strength aspirin is merely slightly more active ingredient in the pill?  I've noticed chip bags and candy getting smaller and the prices going up.

 

What incenses me is not any of the above.  I actually expect all that.  It's annoying but not a big deal.  I have a mute button on my remote.  I can ignore packaging and buy what I know works.  I just cut out chips and candy because I don't need a stroke.

 

No, what incenses me - and many others - is being lied to and then berated by the liars because we refuse to placidly accept it.  DAI is so obviously a console port that you'd have to be a blind cave rat not to know it.  The evidence that supports that contention is not only in the marketing surrounding the game, but in damn-near everything the devs subsequently say about it.  It's evident in the near-unplayability for many on the PC.  The fact it plays 'better' with a controller. On a PC.  The fact that DLC is going to consoles first.  The fact that patches break more than they fix.  "PC game by PC gamers for PC gamers"?  The devs and their shills looked us all straight in the eye and told big freakin' whoppers and figured we would just dumbly nod and thank them.

 

These forums are not 'toxic' because a few trolls make things bad.  These forums are 'toxic' to the devs because they get called on their nonsense and they don't have the guts to be honest.  Blaming us doesn't make your marketing lies any less lies although it might assuage your consciences a smidgen.  Spin-doctoring the nonsense and giving us half-assed fixes and excuses doesn't make your crap stink any less.  The sheer arrogance being employed by EA is unbelievable.  Shoddy, broken overpriced junk and fan-blaming because we refuse to either countenance it or bend over for you.

 

There's this thing, see - if you're in the room when your buddy kills a dude and you do nothing, legally you're as culpable.  Just because you don't tell a specific lie, yet reinforce it with the self-righteous spin?  That doesn't absolve you or anyone like you.  You're as culpable.  Supporting a lie makes you as guilty.  Blaming the victim of the lie makes you no better than the liar.

 

EA paints crap gold and then blame us for the stink.  Buying GOTY awards won't help you.  It's just not flying anymore. Y'all need new excuses and I'm sure you'll find them.  It's certainly easier and cheaper than giving us actual working product.

 

EDIT:  added a point about GOTY's.

[digma87]

Yeah, i hear you. It's like bioware forgott about character creation and lay all their energi on the other things.

I'm also sorry to say that the races for both genders are really stereotyp.

I love the game i really do but i wont do more characters til i get longer hairstyles and change some of the male faces.

OH and also put a delete button so that you can take away dublicate wardens from the Keep.

[Glaso]

Yeah I was thinking the very same thing, this is very poor social media management in 2015, and it seems the very basic PR principles are lost.

 

I've seen competitors in my industry forced to sell off due to bad PR, and with good PR you can turn an unhappy customer into a customer who is even happier than if he/she never had the problem (which is the principle I follow, and was educated in). How did she land this job? Maybe they need a few more subjects into the curriculum for game design, because this is very basic knowledge when it comes to business.

 

Regardless this is the type of honesty and transparency I can respect, however unlike EA, others in the industry do so without insulting their customer base. It's very enlightening, even interesting.

 

 

Basically that's what happened with Eve Online's monocle gate and "greed is good" thing, massive subscription cancellations leading to an emergency CSM meeting and apologies from the team. The key element in all of this? Communication, communication, communication. Sadly we can't really hit Eaware's wallet in the same manner.

[digma87]

Yep, that makes no sense (for me) while you can put makeup on both genders. I like Saint`s Row 3&4 for this reason, you can swap hairstyle and clothes regardless of the gender. Sometimes it`s really hilarious, sometimes even cool.
Not speaking of my dream of making Arishock-like (from DA2) qunari is broken by fixed haircuts.

Speaking of qunari, why do they look too much like humans with horns? That`s hitting my uncanny valley pretty hard.

[digma87]

Yep, that makes no sense (for me) while you can put makeup on both genders. I like Saint`s Row 3&4 for this reason, you can swap hairstyle and clothes regardless of the gender. Sometimes it`s really hilarious, sometimes even cool.
Not speaking of my dream of making Arishock-like (from DA2) qunari is broken by fixed haircuts.

Speaking of qunari, why do they look too much like humans with horns? That`s hitting my uncanny valley pretty hard.

[Sartoz]

So about hair to the game.

Why doesn't they have long hairstyles for both genders and all races or some nice hairdoes?

Some great examples exist in LOTR or other roleplaying games.

And then make it in a hairpack that we can buy.

And also i want to make a feminine human male but they all look so macho. Can't you make softer faces for the human male?

Thank you.

I believe the reason is cross-platform game play. The fantastic graphics available with the Next Gen consoles is simply impossible to do with the Old Gen consoles.... compromise decisions were made with the game design to allow for a Next Gen console game to fit into the Old Gen consoles...whose graphics capabilities are poor compared to XB1 and PS4.

 

That is my 2 cents.... take it as you wish..

[Jackal19851111]

Buying GOTY awards won't help you. 

 

Can't earn success, buy it! Microsoft and EA's motto, been how it is since the beginning really.

[DarkAmaranth1966]

 

Why am I being asked to register my game for a THIRD time now? On a server I CAN'T connect to? Again? 

 

I activated the game the day I purchased. 

 

I had to activate it AGAIN after over 200 hours played and ran into this exact same issue. Here's my post over at the answer hq you guys keep referring to cause you don't want to actually interact with people having problems 

 

http://answers.ea.co.../4189945#M37527

 

That thread is 86 pages and going and has some how been marked as solved. No one there actually helped me do anything, and when I finally got a hold of someone after several hours of waiting in queue they just had me do completely unrelated nonsense like clear my cache which didn't resolve anything. The problem fixed itself about 12 hours after it initially happened. 

 

And here I am AGAIN. I was JUST PLAYING THIS GAME 20 minutes ago and now I can't cause I've been asked to activate my game for a THIRD time and ONCE AGAIN I can't connect to your worthless servers. 

 

Can someone actually respond to this? 

 

First clearing the browser cache is not useless, it does sometimes correct connection issues so, first to that again. I would suggest using CCleaner to do a bit of cleanup. It's free so run that (not a registry clean, don't need that yet at least.) Reboot and see if the issue is resolved.

 

If not, and since this is clearly a connection issue we need to try flushing your DNS cache next. Open the command prompt then, type “ipconfig /flushdns” (without the quotes) and, press enter. Let it do that, it won't take long. Make sure you are online then see if the problem is resolved.

 

If not, we should try a new IP address so back to the command prompt and type " ipconfig /release " (without the quotes) then, press enter. Now type  " ipconfig /renew " (no quotes) and, press enter again.

 

If that didn't fix it, you need to contact EA support and be specific about what is happening and, what you have done. Also ask if they have had similar issues with other customers who have your ISP. (it may be another one that is not easy to solve and will require you working with EA and your ISP to resolve. (I had one like that a few years ago, too us nearly a year to solve it but, we solved it for a lot of people who weren't willing to put in the effort and, do the back and forth with two different companies and, EA did reward me for my efforts so, if need be stick to it with support.)

[Postem]

Nice reply though here:

 

If such things happen over other thread, why we dont get mass ban over this thread? Why didnt they closed this thread, as you may notice, there is much more vitriol and even hate on this one...

Wait, they already locked it, but soon unlocked as they find its a containment thread. If we get loose around the forums God know what kind of catastrophe could happen.

[DarkAmaranth1966]

I believe the reason is cross-platform game play. The fantastic graphics available with the Next Gen consoles is simply impossible to do with the Old Gen consoles.... compromise decisions were made with the game design to allow for a Next Gen console game to fit into the Old Gen consoles...whose graphics capabilities are poor compared to XB1 and PS4.

 

That is my 2 cents.... take it as you wish..

And you are correct. As a PC player I call foul on that. They made it 64 bit only when a lot of potential players had 32 bit machines - we had to go buy new machines if we wanted to play. They should have done the same to console players, you want to play, go buy a new console, it won't run unless you have a PS4 or XBox 1.

[Sartoz]

Sad really, as by complaining about the patches EA is just going to overwork their existing staff even more past their breaking point instead of investing in more resources on QA and support. At the same time boycotting EA will just end up with these guys losing their jobs. However, it is their choice in the end working for a company with such horrendous business practices, marketing the game for PC, then releasing a console port, giving fans the silent treatment, and then launching DLCs as Xbox exclusives as another shaft to those they conned for cash.

 

 

"... conned for cash..."

 

It could be that Microsoft insisted on certain contractual obligations. For example: We know EA wants to develop games for the consoles. (from EA Quarterly Financial Statements and from BIO interviews). ..And since I read a lot, both Sony and Microsoft control the console developer communities by forcing them to sign NDAs and sales percentages and to  provide exclusives for their consoles, before launching the game on other platforms.

 

The devs are not to blame. Actually, it's the corporate execs who sign contracts with the console manufactures. Perhaps, something like, ".. we agree to develope at least 4 games with the next 8 years and give exclusivity to one of the games for a period of... "... etc.. etc... etc..

 

Just saying

[Oryctolagus]

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I liked your post and I agree with the sentiments, but here's the thing:  we knew this already.  Plenty of devs on plenty of games have said they stay away from the forums because they're toxic, and they are.  I get where they're coming from and I don't blame them because they are volunteering their time, and that's the key.  It is not part of their job description to interact with the fans, it's their job to make the game(s).  When you give your time willingly and get vitriol and insults in return there is NO reason to come back unless you're a masochist.  We've done this to ourselves, generally speaking.

 

That said, the companies are totally in the wrong.  They create the forums, they set the expectations, and they don't commit one way or the other.  It's always "here are the forums, we're listening to feedback, we're watching your posts, watch here for updates" and then zip.  They just did this in multiple channels for DAI.  The official word was to watch this thread, here and on the blog and on twitter from the execs, and then nothing.  And they wonder why the forums are full of angry people and trolls?  If the forums are that toxic, then get rid of them like the comments on YouTube and then just ride the train and see what happens.  Instead, they kind-of-sort-of assign people like Conal to the forums to watch and collate and then present the info/facts that they can gather.  The devs seem clueless about peoples' reactions to issues and problems and expectations because they are.  All they get is third party information because forums are toxic, full of trolls, etc, etc.  Baby, bathwater, whatever.

 

I maintain that because of the deliberate lying prior to launch and the inability to communicate afterwards, they owe me communication now.  Only if they want to keep me as a customer, which I no longer think they want to do.  They did not treat me with respect beforehand, and whether that was entirely EA marketing or not, the leaders of this game participated in that shtuff and they need to own it.  That means braving the trolls, getting your feelings hurt, and having an honest conversation.  However, judging by, say, Mike Laidlaw and Mark Darrah's willingness to lie in the first place, I don't see that happening.  I have a poor opinion of both their integrity and their respect for their customers.  But, hey, the bucks rolled in.

[Errationatus]

Can't earn success, buy it! Microsoft and EA's motto, been how it is since the beginning really.

Pretty much. 

 

Y'know, I have a fisherman knit sweater - one of these - knitted by my great, great gran.  Properly cared-for, this sweater can be given to the grandkids.  It smells of time and family and care and it's as warm as it was when my gran spent the time and skill to create it in the first place.  It's quality that lasts.  It requires no spin or excuses or 'reasons'.  It was done right the first time and performs its office perfectly.

 

The sad thing is now how rare that is.

[Glaso]

I liked your post and I agree with the sentiments, but here's the thing:  we knew this already.  Plenty of devs on plenty of games have said they stay away from the forums because they're toxic, and they are.  I get where they're coming from and I don't blame them because they are volunteering their time, and that's the key.  It is not part of their job description to interact with the fans, it's their job to make the game(s).  When you give your time willingly and get vitriol and insults in return there is NO reason to come back unless you're a masochist.  We've done this to ourselves, generally speaking.

 

The problem is that they actually DID communicate with us in the past no matter how "toxic" the forums were, the devs actually listened and answered the comments and suggestions. Right now they just dismiss criticism and pretend everything works as intended and does not require fixing. Compared to back then Bioware seems pretty much dead, i fear for the next mass effect.

[Sartoz]

I am very suspicious of this XBox/EA/Bioware deal for a DLC.

Have Bioware been pandering to MS all along?

Can't upset your benefactor!! XBox first, stuff PC.

MS doesn't like modders or people who can change things.

These are the people who gave us Windows in tablet format! LMFAO

Soon all games will need a Windows certification. Or only be able to play on XBox.

 

Be afraid, be very afraid.

The following may be good news.

 

1. Windows 10 will be a free upgrade for Win 7 and 8 users (you have 1 year from announcement)

2. Windows 10 will come with cross platform game play.. a Win 10 user can play with XB1 user.. etc.

 

On Windows certification.. it may be that all future games/apps/what have you may be only downloaded from the Microsoft store...

 

Just saying

[Postem]

And you are correct. As a PC player I call foul on that. They made it 64 bit only when a lot of potential players had 32 bit machines - we had to go buy new machines if we wanted to play. They should have done the same to console players, you want to play, go buy a new console, it won't run unless you have a PS4 or XBox 1.

 

For years there is pratically not a 32 cpu. You would need to go back to Pentium 4 and older to get 32bit. And such old cpu would be too slow for anything. The slow transition in the general market to 64bit is related to the case the a lot of people was still around running 32 versions of windows, and a lot of those on XP. Second, a 64bit native app doesnt translate immediately into better performance. A lot of apps are still 32bit, even visual studio 2013 is 32bit.

 

About multi gen consoles, what to say? EA first commandment if to make as much money is possible, selling whatever people accept to pay, regardless of quality. While it may damage the brand, it seen EA always have only the financial year as its horizon.

[katokires]

I still hope Bioware frustrates EA expectations for sales, HEAVILY. I mean, it is not possible that with a game the took 4 years to develop and became so big that these sales are enough. I'm pretty sure they spent a lot more than DA2 and that sales won't be proportional, or in other words, that it will be a failure bigger than DA2 was. This is my only hope for Bioware to listen to us...

 

Seriously, do a game as big as Inquisition, with all that GOTY awards, all the marketing all everything sell as little as Inquisition do? Is it normal? I really hope that not! I hope it is a comercial failure so that Bioware forget about pleasing everybody and start listening to the people who actually like their games. PLEASE GOD.

 

How is it related to this thread? Well, we are being ignored and as far as they are concerned our biggest concern is walk toggle. Jesus.Eucking. Christ.

[Postem]

The following may be good news.

 

1. Windows 10 will be a free upgrade for Win 7 and 8 users (you have 1 year from announcement)

2. Windows 10 will come with cross platform game play.. a Win 10 user can play with XB1 user.. etc.

 

On Windows certification.. it may be that all future games/apps/what have you may be only downloaded from the Microsoft store...

 

Just saying

 

That is not happening. Steam is a lot more powerful. Microsoft was already a publisher, and a bad one.

GFWL was an awful DRM, everyone hated. They will probably try to come back with more of the same, but im staying with steam.

 

I just use origin because its obligated on BF4. All rest steam.

[Errationatus]

I liked your post and I agree with the sentiments, but here's the thing:  we knew this already.  Plenty of devs on plenty of games have said they stay away from the forums because they're toxic, and they are.  I get where they're coming from and I don't blame them because they are volunteering their time, and that's the key.  It is not part of their job description to interact with the fans, it's their job to make the game(s).  When you give your time willingly and get vitriol and insults in return there is NO reason to come back unless you're a masochist.  We've done this to ourselves, generally speaking.

 

That said, the companies are totally in the wrong.  They create the forums, they set the expectations, and they don't commit one way or the other.  It's always "here are the forums, we're listening to feedback, we're watching your posts, watch here for updates" and then zip.  They just did this in multiple channels for DAI.  The official word was to watch this thread, here and on the blog and on twitter from the execs, and then nothing.  And they wonder why the forums are full of angry people and trolls?  If the forums are that toxic, then get rid of them like the comments on YouTube and then just ride the train and see what happens.  Instead, they kind-of-sort-of assign people like Conal to the forums to watch and collate and then present the info/facts that they can gather.  The devs seem clueless about peoples' reactions to issues and problems and expectations because they are.  All they get is third party information because forums are toxic, full of trolls, etc, etc.  Baby, bathwater, whatever.

 

I maintain that because of the deliberate lying prior to launch and the inability to communicate afterwards, they owe me communication now.  Only if they want to keep me as a customer, which I no longer think they want to do.  They did not treat me with respect beforehand, and whether that was entirely EA marketing or not, the leaders of this game participated in that shtuff and they need to own it.  That means braving the trolls, getting your feelings hurt, and having an honest conversation.  However, judging by, say, Mike Laidlaw and Mark Darrah's willingness to lie in the first place, I don't see that happening.  I have a poor opinion of both their integrity and their respect for their customers.  But, hey, the bucks rolled in.

Exactly so. 

 

I don't blame the workers, not really.  Folks gotta eat.  But I will blame the spin, the outright lies and the endless arrogant fan-blaming.  In almost any other instance, this level of blatant falsity would be called fraud, but software companies get enormous passes and always have ('if our product breaks your hardware, destroys your data and ruins your life, well, we are not responsible' is in every EULA) and while we'll probably never change that, we can definitely be more aware of it and act accordingly.

 

There are always alternatives.  The easiest is just to keep your money.  They hate it when you do that.

[Oryctolagus]

The problem is that they actually DID communicate with us in the past no matter how "toxic" the forums were, the devs actually listened and answered the comments and suggestions. Right now they just dismiss criticism and pretend everything works as intended and does not require fixing. Compared to back then Bioware seems pretty much dead, i fear for the next mass effect.

 

When your fanbase is smaller and enthusiastic, they're grateful for the interaction and it shows.  That's the golden time for the studio.  They can do no wrong.  Then it's AAA time and the ratio of grateful to troll increases proportionate to the population growth.  That's when the devs start dropping off one by one, because who the heck wants to sift through ten angry posts for every good post?  If we should mourn anything, it's when a beloved studio succeeds, I guess.  We believe we can do better with PR/customer interaction and have a better plan for it because we haven't gone through it.  And I do think I could do better, and I do think I have a better plan (or A plan).  They don't get stupid, they just get jaded.

[Jackal19851111]

Regardless of their reasons, AAA developers are not the only ones in the market, especially when SC is at the forefront to change the whole business model of game development including many, MANY other successful developers who are on the rise, with honest, transparent, and respectful PR, with developers who admit their own mistakes, even after critical acclaim - such as Swen from Larian Studios after winning GOTY on PC with Divinity Original Sin.

 

I was actually quite curious how such bad PR could fly in the AAA gaming industry, as in my industry I've witnessed repeatedly how several competitors that have bad PR just go on sale. Those that succeed and continue to succeed in my industry are very heavy on our PR and social media management, especially as our customer reviews are tied to our online distribution channels. As such, going the EA route of either insulting our customers or ignoring them would be the same as committing financial suicide.

 

Speaking of being tied to distribution channels, it's important to note that Steam has customer reviews... while Origin doesn't. I guess that could explain in some measure how EA is getting away with it - if they are really. Still need the sales figures to come out after all. All this is very enlightening.

[Amplitudelol]

The problem is that they actually DID communicate with us in the past no matter how "toxic" the forums were, the devs actually listened and answered the comments and suggestions. Right now they just dismiss criticism and pretend everything works as intended and does not require fixing. Compared to back then Bioware seems pretty much dead, i fear for the next mass effect.

 

Toxic forums? How could it not be toxic when Darrah or rather EA (?) decided to emulate Skyrim with DA3 but in the end it became a mix of Guild Wars 2 (Story missions and everything else is completionist grind) and WoW (Skyhold - dumber version of Garrison) in offline mode?

 

http://www.pcgamer.c...terview/#page-1

 

So do i get my third ban?

[Sartoz]

First clearing the browser cache is not useless, it does sometimes correct connection issues so, first to that again. I would suggest using CCleaner to do a bit of cleanup. It's free so run that (not a registry clean, don't need that yet at least.) Reboot and see if the issue is resolved.

 

If not, and since this is clearly a connection issue we need to try flushing your DNS cache next. Open the command prompt then, type “ipconfig /flushdns” (without the quotes) and, press enter. Let it do that, it won't take long. Make sure you are online then see if the problem is resolved.

 

 Snip

Good of you to help...

 

You know, my personal viewpoint on subjecting a customer to clear browser cache, flush DNS cache,  game cache is totally unacceptable.  For EA who owns Bioware and have EA Origins client and a Bio game fight each other for system resources that can result in crashes is unbelievable.

 

I come from a mainframe background... and was tasked to write an assembler telecommunications program (had to be in assembler to "speak" to the "metal"), that permitted court employees to access a prisoner location database(s) from their terminals. Apparently the Courts were losing track of their prisoners who were schedule to appear in court.  hehe.. apparently  the cops wanted to keep these guys in the system for a bit longer and were moving them from one detention centre to another...but. I digress.

 

It was inconceivable for me to write such a program and then force court staff to go through gymnastic contortions to fix problems with their terminals .. not connecting to the mainframe...Not only would I be fired but the company would lose their reputation as well.

 

Guess things changed today...