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[Ashen Nedra]

Well, that's more like a novel where the back half is blank, or a movie where several scenes are replaced with scenes from another movie. Something's not working as intended. Deliberate creative choices are a whole other thing.

 

 

With Blizzard, that was a decision they made themselves, not one where fans stamped their feet and held their breath where they got what they wanted.

 

And Doyle never rewrote "The Final Problem", he just wrote a new story that retconned it. That's analogous to, say, Dragon Age 4 bringing back healing magic. Again, creative decisions are made by the creators, not the audience.

 

 

Nah, just clarified it. Whilst many were clamoring for a return to some mythical "original" ending that probably never existed in any concrete development sense, they didn't get it.

 

Bottom line, your dislike of something doesn't impose an obligation on the creators to change it to better suit you. (General you, there.)

I know we clashed several times in the Past, Captain Wiseass, but I absolutely agree with your post. Deceptive advertisement (let's leave it at that) is where my true beef with DAI is.

 

Otherwise, if I don't like a game/book/video, I'll simply won't buy it, not try to change the author(s)' take on things.

 

Unless it's stated from the start that collective creation is an essential part of the development process (e.g. Kickstarter projects). And BW did kind of do that for DAI imho (gamers' feedback after DA2 was 'advertised' as an essential part of the development process...).

[Bethgael]

I'm still giggling at the fact they're calling the shield/key hotfix for Patch 3 "Patch 4".

 

Yes, I've moved to hysterics.

 

So... wonder what they have in mind for Patch "five"?

[Peregrinus]

I'm still giggling at the fact they're calling the shield/key hotfix for Patch 3 "Patch 4".

 

Yes, I've moved to hysterics.

 

So... wonder what they have in mind for Patch "five"?

 

Hopefully, keyboard/mouse changes and 6 more slots to skills.   

[BobaFett]

This article is a little bit old, but its guys like this that have been ruining our favorite game franchises for years.  EA and their Executives only care about one thing, and thats squeezing as much money out of the consumer as possible.  Thats works for a while, till they realize they've been duped for quite some time.  

 

http://news.cheatcc....articles/389272

 

This sentance in particular really makes me physically ill.....

 

"Earlier this week, Mr. Gibeau commented that he was proud of the way EA had evolved alongside its customers, which he said manifested in the fact that he had not green-lit a single title that did not possess an online multiplayer or social component."

 

 

Its minds like his that is causing the gaming industry to churn out bad title after bad title.......i can't take too much more personally.  

[jcmuki]

Hopefully, keyboard/mouse changes and 6 more slots to skills.  

im predicting more "fixes" that create new bugs or crash the game, majority of mp bug fixes-got to get that micro transaction money, changes that already have a mod out for which the mod does better, more consolification of the the pc port

[They call me a SpaceCowboy]

Doesn't matter if the MP is crap or not. ME3's was crap.  Still is.  Regardless, it will get fixed first.  It's a revenue stream.  That's the Golden Calf in gaming.  It's the Brazen Bull for the SP-ers, but Molloch for them.  Like they said they "have many, many exciting things in store for MP.".  SP generates cash only from initial sales and DLC. 

 

EA hates Single Player.  Don't believe me, go look at the games they flog on Origin and tell me how many are SP exclusively.  Even a damn 'horror-survival' game like Dead Space got a co-op mode and an MP.  Hard to be 'scared' when your buddy's teabagging a necromorph.  Does anyone buy DLC for Battlefield's SP campaign?  It does have one, y'know.  $5.99 for five guns and skins.  For MP. Dozens of DLC.  If done right, mucho moola for mucho stretches. SP is just an eight hour tutorial.

 

No one will leave.  It's not a 'debacle' as far as they're concerned. It's all 'working as intended' and GOTY's from everybody! Hell, they've probably got one from the US Veterinarian's Alliance and another from the Gynecological Association by now.

 

We need not worry our echoing little heads over it.  All is proceeding as it should.

 

 

It's clear that Bioware's priorities were as follows during development:

 

1. Make Multiplayer combat work

2. make controller interface work

3. Make Multiplayer controller interface smooth

4. Oh right, some people might want to use a mouse and keyboard, just throw something quick together 2 months before release.

 

As others have said, MP is a revenue stream. They will get all the shinies, and the game was designed for it. The rest of us are an afterthought. This is why people like myself were so opposed to getting a MP mode. The SP ALWAYS suffers. No, MP isn't tied to SP like in ME3, but in so many ways throughout the game, it's obvious that's what they had in mind. I'd have preferred an MP tied to SP than a consolized mess of an interface that was designed mostly with MP in mind.

 

Many want to point to consoles for why we have 8 abilities, and why we have 'action' combat now, but no, this was an MP design choice through and through.

[Sparky862]

Is this game playable yet??? How is frame rates and so forth?

[Vernholio]

The time and resources put on Political correctness vs resources put into controls gives an idea of how fucked management is. Control and interface should be fundamental.

 

What you're saying makes complete and total sense... And, I agree wholeheartedly.  Unfortunately, in today's society of "sue first, ask questions later", the line of thinking tends to tilt more towards who's gonna raise the biggest stink.  Disappoint a few thousand gamers, or potentially offend -- for the sake of "political correctness" here, let's refer to them as -- a "huge, powerful, close-knit, social organization with large media ties and pretty deep pockets"?  David vs. Goliath, my friend... But in this case, Goliath has an M1A1 tank, a few Apache gunships and let's throw in a guided missile destroyer for good measure, vs. "us" who they perceive as a bunch of "self-entitled, whiny-ass PC enthusiasts".  Of course they're gonna pay "consultants" and what-not, so as to not offend so large a group -- one that could wreak havoc through the media and wide-spread boycotts (Hell, even folks that would never play this title -- or video games at all -- would get on board if they were thoroughly offended).  BIG black eye for Bioware.  

 

<disclaimer>

And, before anyone starts hacking on me, I'm just stating a point... I am not (in any way, shape or form) spouting any distaste toward ANY group, or individual, or belief, or lifestyle, or cheese preference. Do with your life whatever you choose, just so long as you don't hurt anyone else in the process.
</disclaimer>

 

Truth be told, this is a pretty weak argument, anyway... I seriously doubt "Booware" was going through their financial checklist, and this happened: "Political Correctness... CHECK!  Wow, that was pricey and resource-intensive.  Unfortunately, now we don't have enough left in the budget to port proper PC controls, (et. al.)". (BTW, first time I've seen them referred to this way, in these forums -- "Booware" -- and I gotta admit, I like it).

Where we DO all seem to agree is that this is a console port that was "pushed" to PC, when they promised to be "all about PC gamers with this release".  I go back to a point that I made WAY back when this whole rigmarole started... "Go ahead and ship the silly console ports to make your EA-mandated Xmas -- sorry, 'Holiday' -- release deadline.  Then work on the PC Port to DO IT RIGHT, a la the first Mass Effect".  What'd we PC gamers wait for that... six, maybe nine months longer?  Anyway, I'd've been willing to wait for it, if it meant they'd do it right.       

[Vernholio]

No one will leave.  It's not a 'debacle' as far as they're concerned. It's all 'working as intended' and GOTY's from everybody! Hell, they've probably got one from the US Veterinarian's Alliance and another from the Gynecological Association by now.

 

We need not worry our echoing little heads over it.  All is proceeding as it should.

 

Damn it... Being a committee toastmaster, I cast my "Gynecological Association" GOTY vote for "Divinity: Original Sin"!  Another year, another wasted vote...

[TheOlive]

Nope, do not buy on PC.

[Postem]

What you're saying makes complete and total sense... And, I agree wholeheartedly.  Unfortunately, in today's society of "sue first, ask questions later", the line of thinking tends to tilt more towards who's gonna raise the biggest stink.  Disappoint a few thousand gamers, or potentially offend -- for the sake of "political correctness" here, let's refer to them as -- a "huge, powerful, close-knit, social organization with large media ties and pretty deep pockets"?  David vs. Goliath, my friend... But in this case, Goliath has an M1A1 tank, a few Apache gunships and let's throw in a guided missile destroyer for good measure, vs. "us" who they perceive as a bunch of "self-entitled, whiny-ass PC enthusiasts".  Of course they're gonna pay "consultants" and what-not, so as to not offend so large a group -- one that could wreak havoc through the media and wide-spread boycotts (Hell, even folks that would never play this title -- or video games at all -- would get on board if they were thoroughly offended).  BIG black eye for Bioware.  

 

<disclaimer>

And, before you start hacking on me, I'm just stating a point... I am not (in any way, shape or form) spouting any distaste toward ANY group, or individual, or belief, or lifestyle, or cheese preference. Do with your life whatever you choose, just so long as you don't hurt anyone else in the process.
</disclaimer>

 

Truth be told, this is a pretty weak argument, anyway... I seriously doubt "Booware" was going through their financial checklist, and this happened: "Political Correctness... CHECK!  Wow, that was pricey and resource-intensive.  Unfortunately, now we don't have enough left in the budget to port proper PC controls, (et. al.)". (BTW, first time I've seen them referred to this way, in these forums -- "Booware" -- and I gotta admit, I like it).

Where we DO all seem to agree is that this is a console port that was "pushed" to PC, when they promised to be "all about PC gamers with this release".  I go back to a point that I made WAY back when this whole rigmarole started... "Go ahead and ship the silly console ports to make your EA-mandated Xmas -- sorry, 'Holiday' -- release deadline.  Then work on the PC Port to DO IT RIGHT, a la the first Mass Effect".  What'd we PC gamers wait for that... six, maybe nine months longer?  Anyway, I'd've been willing to wait for it, if it meant they'd do it right.       

 

I dont have too, anything against any kind of person, regarding to gender, sexuality or whatever. Im a liberal ( in the real and classical meaning of the word), and i believe anyone is entitled to the freedom to do as wish and be respected as individual, as long as it dont interfere with others freedoms.

 

What organized pressure groups do is completely different; they tend to null the individuality, and pursuit a group position, forcing everybody to accept their agenda, even if the agenda isnt representing the said group. A lot of GLBT groups are very strident and do a lot of harm to the represented people and the society as well. Minority groups are what they are minority, but the agenda of pushing their culture and behavior to the whole society, to force others to accept a culture they arent wishing is not good at all. If someone decides or is gay or whatever, the person should be allowed of it and not pursuit for his behaviour. Another completely different thing is to force the subculture to the whole society and expect, and demand it to be accept as core values of the mainstream culture.

[KilrB]

Bethgael, on 31 Jan 2015 - 02:48 AM, said:

I'm still giggling at the fact they're calling the shield/key hotfix for Patch 3 "Patch 4".

 

Yes, I've moved to hysterics.

 

So... wonder what they have in mind for Patch "five"?

This is called hotfix, not patch 4 and there is no info that would confirm that, just a few random guys that did not understood something correctly. Patch 4 is coming this was just a hotfix....

 

You sure about that?

 

http://forum.bioware...cussion-thread/

[Vernholio]

I dont have too, anything against any kind of person, regarding to gender, sexuality or whatever. Im a liberal ( in the real and classical meaning of the word), and i believe anyone is entitled to the freedom to do as wish and be respected as individual, as long as it dont interfere with others freedoms.

 

What organized pressure groups do is completely different; they tend to null the individuality, and pursuit a group position, forcing everybody to accept their agenda, even if the agenda isnt representing the said group. A lot of GLBT groups are very strident and do a lot of harm to the represented people and the society as well. Minority groups are what they are minority, but the agenda of pushing their culture and behavior to the whole society, to force others to accept a culture they arent wishing is not good at all. If someone decides or is gay or whatever, the person should be allowed of it and not pursuit for his behaviour. Another completely different thing is to force the subculture to the whole society and expect, and demand it to be accept as core values of the mainstream culture.

 

I think you and I are more-or-less in agreement, here and could probably have a good discussion on the topic over a beer (or three).  For the sake of the other folks here in the forum, I figure we should probably stick to topic at hand...  I appreciate your opinion/feedback, though!

[Errationatus]

I'm gonna rant, 'cos this bugs me, been crawling through my craw.

 

Expecting change in the gaming industry?  I have to say I find it both sad and hilarious.

 

Let's take some for instances:

 

Battlefield and COD is the same game every iteration. They're the same games for all intents and purposes with the same goal. You grind and pay them for doing it.  For more content packs.  Drones! Skins! Robots that teabag for you! Set it in WW2 (how come never WW1? That's be cool!) or in Kevin Spacey's underwear makes no difference.  Fight the Nazis, Commies or Aliens, or their zombie variants.  Same game, same goal, same 'reward' every time.  They used to shock rats for the same outcomes. Some smarty-pants went - "hey! let's introduce RPG elements into shooters!"  Thus was born Far Cry and Borderlands and Bioshock.  Not bad games, but not actually innovative.  They get lauded, but Bioshock Infinite was boring as hell and Borderlands was a pointless 'weapon-grinder' that had an ending as stupid as ME3's original. They looked new, and that's all that matters.

 

See, EA really hopes you don't notice that ME3 and DAO were pretty much precisely the same story, or that DAI and ME2 are the same story as well.   When we do notice and complain of the shortcomings, It's easier to simply label us and dismiss us as unimportant, the few, the toxic mob, simply because a label contains within it everything we need to think without consideration, to distract us.  It's basically the same reason someone will resort to personal attacks in an argument.  The moment that happens, you know the other person knows he's lost and has nothing else. This is the reason the devs don't engage on their own forums.  They know the game doesn't work well.  But it has awards!  So they jumped the gun buying those, and now have to roll with the fiction that everything 'is intended' and any complaints are minor and low priority. We were supposed to play, pay, multiplay, multipay and move onto MENext which will be exactly more of the same. 

 

They offer no explanations as to why things are not what the should be.  We aren't responsible for content, so it's not our business.  We are meant to consume and pay and consume and pay and not question.  Step on the pedal for the cheese and don't question why you should be doing it at all.  You're being entertained and that should be enough for you.  It doesn't work well?  That's your fault for not conforming to the paradigm, the controller switch for your mage-casting, sword-swinging horde mode!  When the fixes are small and inconsequential or break more than they fix, and yet silence is the only answer, when they close and lock the "master thread" for a locked and thus infinitely more manageable (being it allows no immediate discussion) 'patch notes' thread, you know something is very rotten in Denmark.

 

Excuses are not explanations although they can be as informative as particular silences.  One understands that DLC content is kept secret, but patch content?  Why the vague and elusive air of 'it can't be told until certain conditions are met'.  What proprietary secrets are given away if the fixes are revealed ahead of time?  This alludes to uneasy things - that those who should know don't, which doesn't bode well, or that the 'secret' being kept would only create more anger and embarrassment (and more lies/spin/PR) to damage control, and an-already severely tarnished reputation gets moreso.

 

How can anyone think the last three months justifiable is beyond me.  What happened to just 'fessin' and fixin'?  We can be very forgiving when you decide not to bullsh!t us ahead of time.

 

Jus' say'n.

[moonblade_820]

Why does every conversation gone for the sexual argument? Its embarassing, Yesterday I've engaged in a conversation with another NPC and without any logical point of view I was directed to ask him if HE and another male guy was "having an intimate contact". This is supposedly a adventure centred game, doesnt matter with who or how any character express their sexual energy. I should make clear that doesnt matter if the sex was with any gender provided that assertive was completely illogical and unnecessary due the way conversation was going on ...

Since DA:2 it seems the devs are engaged in some gay cruzade that are ridiculouly mistimed.

[iluvit333]

I stopped in to say hello but I see it's actually time to say good bye.

I did not buy Diablo 3. Still have not bought it nor played it. I'll quote a great game of yours, "The crimes that were perpetrated there."

I would have never thought I would not buy Diablo 3 nor Dragon Age Inquisition. Dragon age is my favorite gaming universe and shall remain that because my PC gaming universe is just about over.

I am not angry (didn't buy it) but instead saddened. What I am saddened by is the fact that I am using my way overpowered PC to post on blogs.

The question is why do I have this computer? Why did my wife and brother purchase this liquid cooled behemoth for me? My guess is they knew I liked to play and mod PC games, which I did for a long time.

So for what games? Elderly Scrotums? Eldery Scrotums is not even worth having a Windows system for. Microsoft and their 300 updates a year that will slow down any system to a grind. A gazillion mods and virtually none that enhance game play and difficulty for my indestructible level 30 characters no matter how poorly I try to build them.

So for Indie games? Indie games are going to push my dual 960s, huh? Uh, no and 960s are "old" technology at this point.

Diviner Rod Divinity? No thanks and I don't need anything special to run the graphics of that game. Then there's the "New Adventures Of That Elric Guy", which will assuredly have yet another combat system I hate.


I hope you do understand the frustration of PC gamers who are asking this same question to themselves.
 

I don't blame you for going the way of virtually everyone else. Just understand DAI is one of the final arguments AGAINST PC gaming. That's tough for the PC gamers of this forum and elsewhere.

I went to the MACBOOK as my laptop 15 years ago. I've done few things smarter in my life. It's time to be smart again, and change mt desktop platform to MAC. One of the first things I learned as a modder is I can't mod a bad game into a good one.

This is like owning a Ferarri and never going over 30mph. But a Ferarri on "Windows" that requires constant maintenance. No thanks. No thanks any more.

I'd like to end this on a positive note. I'd like to thank you for Dragon Age Origins. It was a blast to play and mod. So I won't end this with a Wade quote, "Are you blind as well as stupid?"

Instead I will end this with an Ignacio quote, "Luck be to you".

[Zarathiel]

This thread isn't about that kind of "PC," guys. Take that discussion somewhere else.

[LunaFancy]

I've reached resignation, come to the conclusion that they aren't going to fix the game, they because that would be tantamount to admitting that they lied to us in order to get our money. Which is why they hang out on the MP forum instead of coming in hear and showing they have a remnant of decency left. Fine. I've been suckered out of $90 for a game I haven't managed to get halfway through.

 

Maybe the modders (you know the one's that the devs gleefully proclaimed too incapable to mod their umoddable engine...the same ones who had a toolkit int he making within a week of launch lmao) will fix it in a year or so and I can revisit it and play then. No guarantees I'll finish it then though since it is as shallow as a paper cut.

 

Anyway...I was all resigned to losing my money and then it occurred to me- I have got value for my $90. Not from the game of course, it blows, but from these threads, Seriously for $90 I have had front row seats to a sideshow that has turned out to be the be the highlight of my day. I get up and check the forum, I check before I go to bed, the entertainment value has been enormous!

 

Thanks to the awesome peeps on this thread, I've laughed, been filled with righteous indignation, gnashed my teeth and sworn an eternal grudge match ( I will never pay full price for an Eaware game again, which since they seem to get heavily discounted two weeks after launch won't be too hard lol!) And better yet, the price of admission includes a Free Pass to the next installment ! Woot. And for once the sequel promises to be better than the original.

 

You bet I'll be back here after Mass Effect next launches, brimming with smugness as I watch those who didn't learn from this suffer through the paroxysms of outrage at what will no doubt be an even bigger mess, since they've clearly got away with this one. Oh the fun I shall have! And for free since there is no way in hell I'll be buying that game! *insert gleeful cackle*

 

And none of this would have happened if I'd abstained from buying this sorry excuse for a game, so yeah...kinda glad I did it now, turns out it was a solid investment. Just not in terms of actual game time lol!

 

So cheers guys! Thanks for the lols and the teeth gnashing, it's been a blast.

[line_genrou]

Hopefully, keyboard/mouse changes and 6 more slots to skills.  

 Seriously, this 8 slot thing is such a blatant dumbed down console crap

One of the games I'm playing is Divinity: Original Sin and I have over 20 spells for a mage, all essencial for the gameplay

 

On another note, did they fix the fullscreen crash to desktop people were having? Can we play fullscreen now instead of windowed fullscreen?

[Sartoz]

Nope, do not buy on PC.

Too late!!

 

Just bought Elite: Dangerous....  now onward to combat training... wait... I'm also wating for the Thrustmaster joystick to come in...

[Sartoz]

If you are talking about the directx crash, no it has not been fixed and we have gotten a canned "we are working on it" response a couple of days ago.  

Amazing!!

 

The Elite: Dangerous forums have the devs giving updates on their patches... they are active in the FORUMS!!!!!!!

[Sartoz]

I've reached resignation, come to the conclusion that they aren't going to fix the game, they because that would be tantamount to admitting that they lied to us in order to get our money. Which is why they hang out on the MP forum instead of coming in hear and showing they have a remnant of decency left. Fine. I've been suckered out of $90 for a game I haven't managed to get halfway through.

 

Maybe the modders (you know the one's that the devs gleefully proclaimed too incapable to mod their umoddable engine...the same ones who had a toolkit int he making within a week of launch lmao) will fix it in a year or so and I can revisit it and play then. No guarantees I'll finish it then though since it is as shallow as a paper cut.

 

Anyway...I was all resigned to losing my money and then it occurred to me- I have got value for my $90. Not from the game of course, it blows, but from these threads, Seriously for $90 I have had front row seats to a sideshow that has turned out to be the be the highlight of my day. I get up and check the forum, I check before I go to bed, the entertainment value has been enormous!

 

Thanks to the awesome peeps on this thread, I've laughed, been filled with righteous indignation, gnashed my teeth and sworn an eternal grudge match ( I will never pay full price for an Eaware game again, which since they seem to get heavily discounted two weeks after launch won't be too hard lol!) And better yet, the price of admission includes a Free Pass to the next installment ! Woot. And for once the sequel promises to be better than the original.

 

You bet I'll be back here after Mass Effect next launches, brimming with smugness as I watch those who didn't learn from this suffer through the paroxysms of outrage at what will no doubt be an even bigger mess, since they've clearly got away with this one. Oh the fun I shall have! And for free since there is no way in hell I'll be buying that game! *insert gleeful cackle*

 

And none of this would have happened if I'd abstained from buying this sorry excuse for a game, so yeah...kinda glad I did it now, turns out it was a solid investment. Just not in terms of actual game time lol!

 

So cheers guys! Thanks for the lols and the teeth gnashing, it's been a blast.

As I've said in an earlier post, I uninstalled DAI until  a Real Major patch comes along...Then I will install the game again.

 

In the meantime, I'm playing FSX with my keyboard until my Thrustmaster comes in and looking forward to playing Elite Dangerous.

 

ED has no problems using K&B, joystick or gamepad.... Imagine that!

[Sartoz]

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.  What proprietary secrets are given away if the fixes are revealed ahead of time?  

 

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I can hypothesize a few of things:

 

1. The fixes may include more MP than PC ones... meaning priority = MP

2. PC solo fixes may only be minor ones... no autoattack, no tactical improvements, no click to move... etc.

3. Effort is now on old gen performance issues

4. Bio wants to avoid being tied down to a "due date" for a list of fixes... which is understandable

4. Working on fixing freezes and crashes. These need to be recreatable and repeatable in order to find a solution. Not easily done.

[Sartoz]

That's a very long list    But for starters I'd like to see:

 

1) Proper PC controls

2) Improved UI and inventory navigation

3) Tactics

LOL!

I think you are asking for the moon. However:

 

Item 1 is a possibility...

 

Item 3 requires too much work... remember that this one game is both solo and MP.  The MP componenet must take into account the very fact that console and PC players may engage in a multiplayer game....  which required that all parties use the same game. code...

 

Item 2 is 50-50 chance...

 

Remember to ask yourself these questions, which I'm sure BIO will ask

 

1. What is the value to Bio?

2. What are the resource requirements?

3. What is the cost and time required to do the change?

 

But, hey!   I believed in Santa until I was six...