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[FOE]

@atlantico - That (sadly) sheds new light upon how misguided the game's direction has been.  Like you said, he's probably a decent guy...errrr, but he seems a bit off....I can't quite put my finger in  on it, but Bioware's hirings/promotions are suspect to me and have probably been detrimental to the DA franchise.  What sort of game has Dragon Age become?  WHY did the actual gameplay have to change?  Why did it have to become a platform action/shooter?

 

Look...I've already moved on, as a consumer.  I have purchased Divinity:OS, and am loving it.  I realize that a 45-year old dinosaur like me is now a relic that should be cast aside by the ever evolving gaming industry.  I get that my opinion doesn't matter.  It's just that I sunk $70 into this POS game and I'd like to play it like it was promised, and like I've been able to with the other DA games in the past.

 

I'm not going to get into the politically correctness aspect(s) of the game.  That's for another thread or time, but I'm bummed that Boooware/EA were so lazy and took 4 years to deliver THIS.  Unacceptable.

[Mahumia]

I agree with a lot that has been said before. It's a decent game, but totally not what was expected upon the experience with the previous games and how it had been advertised. I don't like action, real-time fighting with lots of button smashing. I'm the type of person who likes to likes to play on casual/story mode and just enjoy the story and roleplay. 

 

Many optional ways of playing the game, which were (more or less) offered in the previous DA games, are now no longer optional. I can't sit down and watch the show, and those who want to have a hard fight are also out of luck. 

 

I'm afraid that the game will never turn out to the ideal image that was portraited to us, although maybe some modders might be able to tweak it a bit. At the least, I hope that the bugs and crashes will get fixed. 

[MisterMannIndy]

I disagree. Don't believe this in any way explains why we have a 500 page PC community concerns thread.

This guy's background didn't bother me at all.  What he wanted designed (and what he talked about) is what I hoped to play when I got DA:I.  He talks about taking down a dragon or giant and the satisfaction you get ..... I only wish I had experienced that.  

 

Some of you have played hundreds of hours and multiple play-throughs, and that's great.  Me, I'm barely out of the Hinterlands and cannot get over how broken this PC Control scheme is (yes, I have tried a controller and hated it).  "Playing" this game is a chore; its like work .... and that's NO fun.

 

The reason this thread is 500+ pages has little to do with what's on that video and a lot to do with BooWare's arrogance and belittling customer service practices.

[FOE]

There really are more PC gamers than console gamers.  Unfortunately for us, the gaming industry isn't looking at the correct numbers/statistics.  DA:Origins was developed for the PC experience first, THEN ported - and done well - to the consoles.  This somewhat recent shift towards console-porting to PC's is an inherently bad idea.  You limit the experience from the very beginning.  HOW could this massive error have taken FOUR years to develop and WHY did Boooware mislead us and put out video(s?) proclaiming a "PC game from PC gamers"?  Why intentionally lie to it's inevitable core consumer base?  GREED?  That only goes so far.....and it ended with this angry consumer.

[Sutree]

Well, i´m gonna bring some MORE fuel to the fire. I went off for a week. Came back, had to change my motherboard. All ok. Windows, drivers, all runing fine. Sat down. Origin. "After almost a week, lemme enjoy a bit of my human rogue." Double click Dragon Age Inquisition. BANG. "Cannot conect to EA servers to activate this product on your computer, please try again later." Or something like that, can´t remember exactly. I was worried, and eager to check if the other issues were fixed, party banter, poor performance, etc. Now, i can´t open my game. MY game, the one i paid for, activated once, enjoyed for 2 months, and now EA tells me that i have to activate the game AGAIN and is if that wasnt enough i can´t even do it? Cause freaking DRM or whatever is fucked up? JFC. 

 

I don´t know if this is the thread where i should be posting this, but since i was active on this forums looking for help and trying to help other people as well, feel like i should take this out of my system. And even with all this **** storm over me, still trusting in Bioware. About the issue, i tried EVERY SINGLE DARK-BLOOD-MAGIC-MOJO that i´ve encountered, forums, HQ help, posts, Nothing. So, beside all the other stuff, now i can´t even play my game. NICE. 

[Sartoz]

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WHY did the actual gameplay have to change?  Why did it have to become a platform action/shooter?

 

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Boooware/EA were so lazy and took 4 years to deliver THIS.  Unacceptable.

Why?

For money of course. EA, in my opinion, is a rapacious crocodile like public company that exists to make money no matter the cost. Also, the two doctors who created Bio hinted, before they left, that the industry was leaning towards console type play. Looking back, DAI was the last of the "true" BIO RPGs.

 

Lazy?

Hm.. not quite. Bio is on record that it took them eight man-years to "adjust/convert/tweaked" the Frostbite 3 engine originally designed for FPS games into an engine capable of handling RPG style gameplay.

[Sartoz]

I I'm the type of person who likes to likes to play on casual/story mode and just enjoy the story and roleplay. 

 

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I'm afraid we are a dying breed... 

[MisterMannIndy]

There really are more PC gamers than console gamers.  Unfortunately for us, the gaming industry isn't looking at the correct numbers/statistics.  DA:Origins was developed for the PC experience first, THEN ported - and done well - to the consoles.  This somewhat recent shift towards console-porting to PC's is an inherently bad idea.  You limit the experience from the very beginning.  HOW could this massive error have taken FOUR years to develop and WHY did Boooware mislead us and put out video(s?) proclaiming a "PC game from PC gamers"?  Why intentionally lie to it's inevitable core consumer base?  GREED?  That only goes so far.....and it ended with this angry consumer.

From one Dinosaur to another, I'm with ya brother!

 

But ... like you said, the gaming industry is looking to Consoles first.  The "write once, use many" times strategy caters to the masses, but limits the PC experience.  To me, this strategy should be about compromise and trade-offs.  To me, that's the "right" way to approach multi-platform development.  Instead BooWare developed an experience exclusively for the PS4/XBONE "platform" (next-gen consoles) and figured they'd dump that code on the legacy consoles and PCs with virtually ZERO changes. 

 

Their shady marketing convinced us the PC was considered in their designs and the tactical strategy of DA:O was back .... why did they "mislead" us?  Greed.  Certainly not because we are "Core" to their business.  We were 10 years ago .... 

 

I'm actually okay not being considered "core" to their business.  I recognize that the console market is the sexy place to be.  I do, however, expect a balanced design from a company with BooWare's heritage.  We were shortchanged on that one for sure....

[Postem]

 

I celebrate that you can enjoy the game with keyboard + mouse, even if it is, as you say, with a few problems. Good for you. I know people that can't tell the difference between a $1, chemically synthesized wine, and a $30 handcrafted masterpiece. That doesn't mean that other people with finer taste can't feel the difference and appreciate the nuances a in well done job.

 

I mainly made my peace with controls on pc. Not good, but i managed to get it thru.

The problem is, im only in the hinterlands, put at most 10 hours, and im feeling this game is so booring! You approach some people, they make like a bow, and join as agents, its like there is no sense at all. Its like the world is too big for too few meaningful content. On previous versions there was always something dramatic, some urgent situation to fix. Now you go to a generic big land and all there is some fedex quests.

 

I was walking, got a mosaic, new quest. Some new crap new quest. I hate having the quest tracker eating half my top screen, so each time i get some trinket i need to go jornal and deactivate quests.

 

All that could make things more streamlined is a pain: each time you loot, you need to be exactly on top of loot. Everytime you loot there is no hotkey to get all, you need to close with mouse. Menu navigation dont accept enter key from num keyboard, what is frankly dumb.

 

 

 

A short interview with the lead gameplay designer. It explains very well why there is a 500 page thread on this topic.

 

I facepalmed more than once when he listed his gaming experience. 

 

Sure he's a decent guy with great ideas. But not for this game.

[fchopin]

 
A short interview with the lead gameplay designer. It explains very well why there is a 500 page thread on this topic.
 
I facepalmed more than once when he listed his gaming experience. 
 
Sure he's a decent guy with great ideas. But not for this game.

He sounded ok to me, I did not have any problems with that.
It was just his work experience.

[Elhanan]

I celebrate that you can enjoy the game with keyboard + mouse, even if it is, as you say, with a few problems. Good for you. I know people that can't tell the difference between a $1, chemically synthesized wine, and a $30 handcrafted masterpiece. That doesn't mean that other people with finer taste can't feel the difference and appreciate the nuances a in well done job.

That would be me; don't drink. What I do know is that I am not experiencing the level of frustration with a basic KB&M config to post complaints about it thus far. However, I have posted about other minor matters, and will likely continue to do so. And perhaps when the clamor settles a little, Devs may respond more. For now, I am OK with them simply reading the feedback as they announced last week.

But I proudly admit being a fan of basic fare. Not having to upgrade the system again is a blessing, and one I hope that continues for some time.

[FOE]

Look...I'm just slightly angry here....what with my torch and pitchfork, and willingness to accidentally poke my eye out or burn myself...but I was sold a bill of goods that isn't what was promised to me.  I feel cheated.  So I rant, and offer up my voice unto the masses in the hope that things will be fixed/changed.  That's all that I'm here for.  It'd be nice to see some semblance of recompense.  Some acknowledgement of ill deeds or an attempt to fix past wrongs.  That'd be nice.  What if an actual developer logged on these forums and posted some good news?  That'd be nice...instead they're trying to maximize their profits by working on "multiplayer" and "DLC's"...rubbish!  Ignore your core fanbase for too long, and they'll disappear............(poof).

[Postem]

From one Dinosaur to another, I'm with ya brother!

 

But ... like you said, the gaming industry is looking to Consoles first.  The "write once, use many" times strategy caters to the masses, but limits the PC experience.  To me, this strategy should be about compromise and trade-offs.  To me, that's the "right" way to approach multi-platform development.  Instead BooWare developed an experience exclusively for the PS4/XBONE "platform" (next-gen consoles) and figured they'd dump that code on the legacy consoles and PCs with virtually ZERO changes. 

 

Their shady marketing convinced us the PC was considered in their designs and the tactical strategy of DA:O was back .... why did they "mislead" us?  Greed.  Certainly not because we are "Core" to their business.  We were 10 years ago .... 

 

I'm actually okay not being considered "core" to their business.  I recognize that the console market is the sexy place to be.  I do, however, expect a balanced design from a company with BooWare's heritage.  We were shortchanged on that one for sure....

 

Im not convinced about the priority on consoles being the problem. A lot of other publishers deal with consoles, like cdprojektred and ubisoft, and none have done what EA does to their own games. Simcity is a pc only game, and its a completely perversion and abomination. With EA i think the main problem is corporate direction, and how it cripples franchises. They probably cut a lot of creativity, forces some kind of content (like SJW) and rush titles to meet financial schedules to ensure big bonuses.

 

You can say what you think about UBI, but i think they done right with Unity. The game is a leap in graphics and i find the mechanics more fluid. Its true it needs a beefy pc, but the game as a whole AC is satisfying, i can feel the same anymore with EA games. Ubi also invest in several niche segments like the excelent Silent Hunter series. When you go to origin what you see? Lets count the main titles of EA:

- Simcity

- BF

- Dragon Age

- ME

- Crysis (but its not ea).

- A bunch of older games.

That is it. EA is mediocre, its giant and have only a bunch of meaningful titles, most of then terrible broken.

 

So DA and ME will both be the next discarded franchises. EA act truly like the reapers, they do harvest some studio, milk it and throw the corpse, then look for more, and the cycle repeats. It has been happening since Bullfrog and Origin.

 

I just hope Crytek either stay independent or fill bankruptcy. Going EA is gonna kill what is left.

[Elhanan]

Look...I'm just slightly angry here....what with my torch and pitchfork, and willingness to accidentally poke my eye out or burn myself...but I was sold a bill of goods that isn't what was promised to me.  I feel cheated.  So I rant, and offer up my voice unto the masses in the hope that things will be fixed/changed.  That's all that I'm here for.  It'd be nice to see some semblance of recompense.  Some acknowledgement of ill deeds or an attempt to fix past wrongs.  That'd be nice.  What if an actual developer logged on these forums and posted some good news?  That'd be nice...instead they're trying to maximize their profits by working on "multiplayer" and "DLC's"...rubbish!  Ignore your core fanbase for too long, and they'll disappear............(poof).

True; ignoring the customers is a good way to lose business. Good thing that Bioware is not doing that, and have the reviews, receipts, and awards to indicate that. Plus, such shouting has happened before, and DAI received the most successful launch to date.

Personally have been a fan since ca.1999, and Bioware has proven their trust to me repeatedly thru quality, security, and service. While not all has been perfection, nothing is. But Bioware has gained my loyalty and support; few others have met this standard, for me anyway.

[FOE]

@Postem - You're a bit off base, in my opinion.  Soooo....here is where I tell you where you were wrong AND to make me feel superior and better for MYself.  Just kidding.  I agree with the EA angle, they do tend to buy up studios, milk them for cash and ruin them.  I just think that (for PC gamers) the real problem with the playability of the game was because of the initial console(s) focus.

[FOE]

@Elhanan - Good for you then.  My "fandom" started around that date and ended a couple of weeks back.  So now you're a better, more loyal fan of Boooware than I am.  Congratulations.  Can you fix my game?  Can you ask someone to fix it?

[Sartoz]

There really are more PC gamers than console gamers.  Unfortunately for us, the gaming industry isn't looking at the correct numbers/statistics.  DA:Origins was developed for the PC experience first, THEN ported - and done well - to the consoles.  This somewhat recent shift towards console-porting to PC's is an inherently bad idea.  You limit the experience from the very beginning.  HOW could this massive error have taken FOUR years to develop and WHY did Boooware mislead us and put out video(s?) proclaiming a "PC game from PC gamers"?  Why intentionally lie to it's inevitable core consumer base?  GREED?  That only goes so far.....and it ended with this angry consumer.

While I am for PC games properly designed for KB+M input devices, the shift to console play is the correct strategy for a company like EA. Why correct, you say? Answer = EA quarterly financials seems to please its investors.

 

Do I agree with this? As a gamer = no, as an investor=yes.

 

I was really stoked to play this game. Now, it's on the shelf and my game directory only has:

 

1. DAO with mods

2. DA2 with mods

3. ME1, ME2, ME3 (yes I hate the ending)

4. Kingdoms of Amalur

5. Halo (PC)

6. HoI games

7. Divinity: OS ---> now playing

8. Aarklash Legacy

9. Angry Birds

10. Bejewled  ---> just to relax

11. C&C red Alert2

12. Endless Space

13. EU3

14. Pandora First Contact

15. RIFT (free to play mmo)

16. Rome: Total War

17. Sid Meier's Alpha Centauri

18. SOTS 2

19. Skyrim with Mods

19. Torchlight

20. Microdoft's FSX -->  now playing

21. Elite: Dangerous --> now playing

DAI ---> uninstalled

 

Many more on the shelf

[Sartoz]

Well, i´m gonna bring some MORE fuel to the fire. I went off for a week. Came back, had to change my motherboard. All ok. Windows, drivers, all runing fine. Sat down. Origin. "After almost a week, lemme enjoy a bit of my human rogue." Double click Dragon Age Inquisition. BANG. "Cannot conect to EA servers to activate this product on your computer, please try again later." Or something like that, can´t remember exactly. I was worried, and eager to check if the other issues were fixed, party banter, poor performance, etc. Now, i can´t open my game. MY game, the one i paid for, activated once, enjoyed for 2 months, and now EA tells me that i have to activate the game AGAIN and is if that wasnt enough i can´t even do it? Cause freaking DRM or whatever is fucked up? JFC. 

 

I don´t know if this is the thread where i should be posting this, but since i was active on this forums looking for help and trying to help other people as well, feel like i should take this out of my system. And even with all this **** storm over me, still trusting in Bioware. About the issue, i tried EVERY SINGLE DARK-BLOOD-MAGIC-MOJO that i´ve encountered, forums, HQ help, posts, Nothing. So, beside all the other stuff, now i can´t even play my game. NICE. 

I had this occur to me as well. If I remember, all I did was to login in Origins to activate it again .. I think I had to re-enter the KEY as well.

 

Yes, F** DRM....

[DragonsDream]

Well, i´m gonna bring some MORE fuel to the fire. I went off for a week. Came back, had to change my motherboard. All ok. Windows, drivers, all runing fine. Sat down. Origin. "After almost a week, lemme enjoy a bit of my human rogue." Double click Dragon Age Inquisition. BANG. "Cannot conect to EA servers to activate this product on your computer, please try again later." Or something like that, can´t remember exactly. I was worried, and eager to check if the other issues were fixed, party banter, poor performance, etc. Now, i can´t open my game. MY game, the one i paid for, activated once, enjoyed for 2 months, and now EA tells me that i have to activate the game AGAIN and is if that wasnt enough i can´t even do it? Cause freaking DRM or whatever is fucked up? JFC. 

 

I don´t know if this is the thread where i should be posting this, but since i was active on this forums looking for help and trying to help other people as well, feel like i should take this out of my system. And even with all this **** storm over me, still trusting in Bioware. About the issue, i tried EVERY SINGLE DARK-BLOOD-MAGIC-MOJO that i´ve encountered, forums, HQ help, posts, Nothing. So, beside all the other stuff, now i can´t even play my game. NICE. 

FWIW: I had a really good experience with EA customer support re: activating my games. My wife & I bought 2 copies, one for each of our computers. But first we were going to see if one was all we would need. I installed on mine after creating an Origin account and then tried to install on hers using my Origin account & the CD key. It installed but we couldn't play simultaneously. When we realized we'd need both CD keys, I used the second key on her PC. She then decided she wanted her own Origin account, so I created one for her, reinstalled the game but now had no CD key that would work as both keys were showing up on my account.

 

I called, waited less than 2 minutes on hold, explained to the guy that I had two copies of the game and needed one to be put on the other account. I was expecting a huge hassle but he fixed it in just a couple of minutes without any problems.

 

I have my complaints with Bioware/EA right now, but their phone service isn't one of them.

[Elhanan]

@Elhanan - Good for you then.  My "fandom" started around that date and ended a couple of weeks back.  So now you're a better, more loyal fan of Boooware than I am.  Congratulations.  Can you fix my game?  Can you ask someone to fix it?

Perhaps. I re-mapped my Keys before play to a known formation (ie; WASD and QE) for both Action and Tac-Cam, selected Options completely before start (eg; Effects Quality to Low to prevent flash, provide a more natural appearance for FX, and increase FPS; a tip from a Bioware Dev). With my current config, the game plays smoother than my experiences with Skyrim and the ME series, and while it feels much like SWTOR for me, the Pause and Tac-Cam functions save on finger stress.

Not better than you; nor any worse. Simply a differing POV on how to approach issuing discontent.

[Sparky862]

Well Bioware and Mark can shove this game [Edited] for all i care. They already took my money and i cannot get it back. This game released when and i still have not even played past the tutorial....

 

Is this game playable yet? Can it do past 30FPS??

[vetlet]

I don't think I'm a fan anything. I play on console, PS and Xbox, pc, and like a game when it's good. End of. This is supposed to be entertainment, not a chore.

 

I know things went wrong with this game as I could only bring myself to complete it once, and it was a chore to do so. DA:O completed x number of times where x is a stupidly large number. I replayed DA2 less often, but still sort of enjoyed it, despite its flaws.

 

And now we have DA:I, which has just been abandoned until the Bioware/modders fix it for pc. In the meantime, I've just gone back to Morrowind. Ah, the blissful pleasure...

[Kroepoek]

True; ignoring the customers is a good way to lose business. Good thing that Bioware is not doing that, and have the reviews, receipts, and awards to indicate that.

 

As evidently shown by the superb way of communcation coming from Bioware concerning the issues people are having for three months, yes.

 

What a load of prawn-eating sandwich tripe.