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[DisturbedJim83]

Devs have better things to do with their time rather than to get dragged into fruitless debates. Besides, I think creativity will suffer under the ever more toxic environment that is the internet. But I definitely wouldn't mind having more community managers around keeping some semblance of communication going.

Works both ways Developers bring the "toxic" enviroment on themselves by making bad design decisions(like shoehorning MP into a SP RPG Franchise) and intentionally misleading consumers with marketing loaded with outright falsehoods like DAI's "by PC Gamers For PC Gamers" video.

 

When you know certain design choices are going to anger the customers who made the original game successful enough that sequels were commissioned and then follow those bad design choices through to fruition it is only asking for trouble.They made bad design choices and now these are the consequences of those bad choices, if they can't handle the heat then they should stay out of the kitchen.

 

Hint: Shoehorning in MP to DA had nothing at all to do with "the fans wanted it" as $BWEA$ would like everyone to believe, EA is fully committed to have all their full price $60+Games having MT's and Paid DLC in.DAMP is platform to allow EA to insert MT's (currently the "totally optional" premium currency no doubt to be followed by skin/weapon/character packs) into the franchise nothing more,because there is no such thing as too much profit when you can always make more by nickel and diming your install base into fade touched oblivion.Sounds like that Dungeon Keeper mobile game EA made where the "totally optional" premium currency turned out to not be "totally optional" at all

[Rizilliant]

Well said DisturbedJim.. Well said, indeed!  +100

[Rizilliant]

As much as I understand your perspective if you read a bit more closely and really paid attention to what is going on here, beta testing the emporium and this next patch is the single best thing they could have done (... well I was going to say since release but then it wasn't a good idea releasing the game when they did in the first place) since cancelling Exalted March.

 

Every patch they have introduced into this game has caused almost more problems than it has resolved. Can you imagine how much of an effect a significantly larger patch could have on the game? And with the arduous and lengthy process to patch bugs caused by previous patches (ala hotfixes). Beta testing is a much safer way to go about it.

Yea, i have to disagree.. They are asking the fans to do the work (4months later i might add) that should have been beeing done months BEFORE release! They should have had far mroe QA of this kind of polish, fine tuning, and fan feedback (taken to heart) long before release.. 

 

While its a step in the right direction, it feels little too late.. We were sold an incomplete product, plagued with problems, bugs, and crashes.. Even unfinished coding!  To have then ignore us for weeks on end, then have some of them scream at us, and even say how "toxic" we all are, only to turn around and ask us to further test the product?

 

That....feels like the slap in the face!

[Arishok1987]

Nobody's stopping you. Go play another game then  

[glosoli]

Nobody's stopping you. Go play another game then  

 

The constructive criticism that we have all been waiting since November 2014.

[Jackal19851111]

They have a long way to go to win back the trust and loyalty to the brand that they have lost sure - but note that many players including myself have specifically asked and recommended that the devs offer public betas, so this isn't entirely something they are throwing at us out of the blue.

 

They need the community, their patches are very slow and they break, having been left with a skeleton crew for post-release support. It took them 3 months to get a walk toggle working (which breaks if you use the 60FPS workaround), and it's going to be 5-6 months (or more) without mouse button rebinding. Yes sure, they should have done this ages ago but past is past.

 

As you said - a step in the right direction. With that, I can't complain.

[Shelled]

its no surprise why dragon age 2 and inquisition suck so badly. the damn director for origins doesn't even work for bioware. He left/quit after that project.

The sad part is the same people who made that disaster dragon age 2 still work for bioware I think. They should have been fired.

Stupidity.

[Jackal19851111]

You mean Brent Knowles? Yeah it's a shame:

http://blog.brentkno...08-summer-2009/

 

"Party control/tactical combat are huge factors in my enjoyment of a role-playing game as is adopting the role of the hero (i.e., customizing my character). I was fairly certain Dragon Age would transition towards more of a Mass Effect experience, which while enjoyable is not the type of role-playing game I play."

- Brent Knowles

[Avo]

Sigh. I have now accepted that the game probably won't be good on PC anytime soon (if ever) and bought it for PS4. It's a lot better controlwise (although I just play it on casual difficulty and like an action game for the story now - and I played Dragon Age Origins on hardest difficulty and really enjoyed it. In DA:O you felt very much in control. In Dragon Age Inquisition you feel more like herding ants)

 

- I guess Bioware just don't want Dragon Age to be the kind of game that Dragon Age Origins was, and that's very sad, especially since it would take so little (imo) to make it better (autoattack, move to loot and a bit better tactical camera).

[jcmuki]

incgamers is reporting that number of people selected for beta test patch of DAI "will be quite restricted"

wonder if that means they will only select the people who have praised their in the past or select people that 

have had no problems with DAI, will be all or a majority of mp players cause that money

will they are actually select a varied variety of people so they can really test the hell out of the patch or are they going

to fudge it and are just telling people what they want to hear

[DarkAmaranth1966]

I think the complaint is that participation in the beta isn't guaranteed. Someone who wants the patch as soon as possible may not be afforded the option because they missed the beta. Ideally beta access would be opt-in for everyone who wants to risk it.

 

Of course, I'm still roasting marshmallows in camp "Why wasn't all of this in the game prior to release?"

I don't agree. The game is rated M(ature) and, the beta testers will need to sign a Do Not Disclose Agreement. So for both of those reasons, EA/Bioware needs to screen potential testers and, insure they are 18+ and will be legally bound by the agreement they sign in the country in which they live.

 

In addition, we've all seen the rude, inflammatory posts on these forums, they don't need testers that will simply tell them "it sucks, fix it or I'm never buying anything form you again." or worse so, by making it a closed beta,  they can reject those people as well and, end up with those that are willing to risk it and, who will provide sensible, constructive feedback and, not get angry because it has some problems.

 

Why wasn't it in the game to begin with? My personal guess is that the devs wanted it there but, it needed more work and more testing and, marketing demanded that game be released NOW so, they had to leave it out and continue working on it for later addition.

[jcmuki]

I don't agree. The game is rated M(ature) and, the beta testers will need to sign a Do Not Disclose Agreement. So for both of those reasons, EA/Bioware needs to screen potential testers and, insure they are 18+ and will be legally bound by the agreement they sign in the country in which they live.

 

In addition, we've all seen the rude, inflammatory posts on these forums, they don't need testers that will simply tell them "it sucks, fix it or I'm never buying anything form you again." or worse so, by making it a closed beta,  they can reject those people as well and, end up with those that are willing to risk it and, who will provide sensible, constructive feedback and, not get angry because it has some problems.

 

Why wasn't it in the game to begin with? My personal guess is that the devs wanted it there but, it needed more work and more testing and, marketing demanded that game be released NOW so, they had to leave it out and continue working on it for later addition.

putting alot faith in the devs that they are true to their word

however their word right now is worth as much as zimbabwe money

i can't really that anything they have said at faceview, they haven't done much to prove that there is truth to what every they say

and actions speaks louder than words, if the devs can really pull of this beta test thing and can implement some of the changes

people have suggest and that they said they would do if they can then maybe I'll put some faith back in them

[CatatonicMan]

 

Becouse "they" said that the time ran out...blame EA NOT BW. 

 

EA is Bioware. Bioware is EA. There's no separating the two.

[Sartoz]

Yea, i have to disagree.. They are asking the fans to do the work (4months later i might add) that should have been beeing done months BEFORE release! They should have had far mroe QA of this kind of polish, fine tuning, and fan feedback (taken to heart) long before release.. 

 

While its a step in the right direction, it feels little too late.. We were sold an incomplete product, plagued with problems, bugs, and crashes.. Even unfinished coding!  To have then ignore us for weeks on end, then have some of them scream at us, and even say how "toxic" we all are, only to turn around and ask us to further test the product?

 

That....feels like the slap in the face!

Given the past patch history of DAI and its negative impact(s), I see this as a very prudent move on their part. 

 

A Bio employee, either here or in the locked Patch Thread or in one of the tech support forums threads (sorry I forgot which one), mentioned that features were turned off because they were too difficult to fix. If the game complexity is such that features were turned off, then surely ( patch 5 comes across as a substantial one) Bio's decision to beta test outside their Q&A department is a good thing.

[Sartoz]

incgamers is reporting that number of people selected for beta test patch of DAI "will be quite restricted"

wonder if that means they will only select the people who have praised their in the past or select people that 

have had no problems with DAI, will be all or a majority of mp players cause that money

will they are actually select a varied variety of people so they can really test the hell out of the patch or are they going

to fudge it and are just telling people what they want to hear

Depends on what is being fix, added and or modified.

 

I lean towards all types except those that issued praises. For one thing, preaching to the choir is self serving and avoids the issues out there.

[Randomguy]

Nobody's stopping you. Go play another game then  

 

Im sure they are going to filter beta testers. Only reasonable people will get in who now perfectly there is absolutely nothing wrong. Dont worry, your perfectly polished game wont change because of these whiners.

[Jackal19851111]

The thing is all that beta testers can do is report and isolate issues for the devs. It'll still be up to them to fix it.

[CatatonicMan]

I don't agree. The game is rated M(ature) and, the beta testers will need to sign a Do Not Disclose Agreement. So for both of those reasons, EA/Bioware needs to screen potential testers and, insure they are 18+ and will be legally bound by the agreement they sign in the country in which they live.

 

I doubt they'll be doing an NDA for the beta. That would be excessive and unnecessary. Though this is EA we're talking about....

 

 

In addition, we've all seen the rude, inflammatory posts on these forums, they don't need testers that will simply tell them "it sucks, fix it or I'm never buying anything form you again." or worse so, by making it a closed beta,  they can reject those people as well and, end up with those that are willing to risk it and, who will provide sensible, constructive feedback and, not get angry because it has some problems.

 

The more eyes on the beta - even the belligerent, complain-y ones - the better. 

[turuzzusapatuttu]

*sni*

 

3. Romance Varric - Yeah, sure you can be a dwarf yourself and romance human and elfs. But no dwarf, does Bioware have something against dwarfs. In origins you could have a baby with Mardy but that is it. Oghren was a no no so was Varric in DA2. ( you can flirt with him as a human but i think that Varric just go after other dwarfs.But that is just a thought.) And i really want my female dwarf to be able to romance another dwarf. Plus everone know that Bianca will always be Varrics true love, but he deserves some happines to right. ( read Jenni Ladas post on gamezone.com. She has some good points their.)

 

*snip*

 

They won't ever change the romance options after the game is done and released. Deal with it.

 

 

 

 

 

 

EA is Bioware. Bioware is EA. There's no separating the two.

 

 

EA owns BioWare. BioWare is owned by EA. That's the difference 

[spacefiddle]

I missed the last couple days in here, just saw the beta post... interesting. 

 

I want to be happy, and respect BioWare for the move. I really do. 

Yet it simply pisses me off. They have an Emporium for the game. Will be accessible for the Beta testers. 

 

So why isn't here, now, in the game? What possible reason? When you KNOW players are having appearance issues related to scars, hairstyles, and voices... all caused by bugs in the game? 

You have a fix. But to access it I need to sign up to beta test your game even more? 

 

Good thought. 

Slap in the face, though. 

 

No, don't misunderstand - I'm not sure what you're picturing, but this is a beta for Patch 5, yes? Which will include many or most of what people have been asking for.  If you read the current blog and the release blog, they are features they wanted in the game from the start, the implication being they could not include them in time before the release deadline, which they are not in control of themselves.

 

Cut the Bioware content creators a huge break here; the lack of this content 99% likely wasn't their doing, and they are now preparing to let us help them test a huge content patch to fix it, making sure it goes thru both internal QA and a limited customer Beta test, before releasing, to make sure it doesn't break more things.

 

The implication is also that these features are being tested in the beta for everyone - not only available to beta testers.

 

I understand we're all a little freaked out and frustrated, but allow yourself to believe a little: yes, this is what we have been waiting and asking for.  There's no magic guarantee it will be perfect, but who cares?  Right now, this announcement was the best possible result to be hoped for:

 

- Yes, there's another patch coming

- Yes, it addresses many or most of your feedback

- Yes, it includes content we originally wanted to be in from the start

- Yes, it's a free content patch and not paid DLC

- Yes, it includes not just fixes and adjustments but also QoL improvements and new features entirely.

 

Seems to cover everything we've been looking for, yah?

[Cervin]

 

 

 

 

EA is Bioware. Bioware is EA. There's no separating the two.

 

EA decides when the game is going to be released and BW is making the games..that´s what I meant.

[DarkAmaranth1966]

I doubt they'll be doing an NDA for the beta. That would be excessive and unnecessary. Though this is EA we're talking about....

 

 

 

The more eyes on the beta - even the belligerent, complain-y ones - the better. 

I disagree. "This sucks, fix it now or I'm never buying another Bioware game." Is not going to help the devs fix bugs. They don't need people that are going to do that testing things. They need people than can CALMLY say "When I do abc, the game does xyz and, I don't think that's intentional. Shouldn't it do rst instead? or It would be better if it did vwx."

 

Bioware is a division of EA, that means that there are times when the Bioware people want to do one thing but, EA, tells them they have to do something else. I'm sure they have a good deal of input, but when EA says do this or that, they have to do it. Yes that means the DA saga is now an EA/Origin game series and, as an owner of several other EA titles, that is not always good. I've had both good and bad experiences in dealing with problems in EA games. More good but, rarely as fast as I think it should have been addressed, a few bugs in other games never got fixed and, we had to rely on third party mods to deal with the bugs. Most of those were not happening on every system running the game and, were things EA could not duplicate reliably so, that made it difficult to address but, there were modders that could reproduce the bug and, were willing to take the saved games of those having the problem to look at it and, create a fix.

 

I hope that does not become the way of the DA saga as well but, we are seeing a bit of that now. As to what happens in the future, that is up to us, EA and Bioware.

[CatatonicMan]

I disagree. "This sucks, fix it now or I'm never buying another Bioware game." Is not going to help the devs fix bugs. They don't need people that are going to do that testing things. They need people than can CALMLY say "When I do abc, the game does xyz and, I don't think that's intentional. Shouldn't it do rst instead? or It would be better if it did vwx."

 

You'd be surprised. The person complaining usually has something to complain about. They'll at least let you know what is broken, even if not to QA standards. Better the inkling that something is amiss than to blunder forward in ignorance.

[Wbino]

Sigh. I have now accepted that the game probably won't be good on PC anytime soon (if ever) and bought it for PS4. It's a lot better controlwise (although I just play it on casual difficulty and like an action game for the story now - and I played Dragon Age Origins on hardest difficulty and really enjoyed it. In DA:O you felt very much in control. In Dragon Age Inquisition you feel more like herding ants)
 
- I guess Bioware just don't want Dragon Age to be the kind of game that Dragon Age Origins was, and that's very sad, especially since it would take so little (imo) to make it better (autoattack, move to loot and a bit better tactical camera).

Yes nothing teaches a company right from wrong by purchasing the same product twice.
Bioware: hey look we were right all along...(consulasation?) look at those P4 sales.......!

[Randomguy]

I disagree. "This sucks, fix it now or I'm never buying another Bioware game." Is not going to help the devs fix bugs. They don't need people that are going to do that testing things. They need people than can CALMLY say "When I do abc, the game does xyz and, I don't think that's intentional. Shouldn't it do rst instead? or It would be better if it did vwx."...

 

And they need people who tell them what is still missing. Not only bug fixes are expected but mechanics changes too. At least on PC. Not having autoattack was not a bug and there is a lot of issue with tac cam. None of them are bugs. If they handle feedback as bug report nothing will change and personally i think the current situation is a bigger fuckup than ME3 ending was.

 

Edit: angry comment: and they tease you with binding mouse buttons. Almost 4 months after purchasing the game they say its coming soon but its not even in the upcoming beta. And they are talking about priorities in the same blog entry. Cosmetic **** is priority. Ok.