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[Elhanan]

This!! 1000 times this!
Computer Programming 101!
Someone did not read Game Development for Dummies
Its not Frostbyte that's the problem, its bad design from the ground up.
If they have made the mistake I think they have, then a beta tested patch will not be enough to save them. If it is too hard to include a mouse button or an extra ability, then it is far too late. Shifting the deck chairs on the Titanic.

It is basic knowledge, and has been for a very long time. Thus I believe it does not apply here, and am guessing the delay is elsewhere.

[Sylveria_Relden]

It is basic knowledge, and has been for a very long time. Thus I believe it does not apply here, and am guessing the delay is elsewhere.

 

That's like saying no one ever gets killed for jaywalking. It simply must not be true, right?

[Bethgael]

My hope when they do choose people to beta test they will not eliminate those who have been critical of the game/controls etc. Hoping they will be smart enough to pick knowledgeable people like those here (not me by they way).

 

No, I am serious. And a  just a bit concerned.

 

 

Edited to add: I know what I posted is kind of silly but am worried they will only pick yes men and not learned critical thinkers. You guys; Bethgael, Rizilliant, Dark Amanath1966, Sartoz, Ncongruous, Brogan, Jackal19851111, Tobyjake, DisturbedJim83, Errantionatus, CrusaderBin, Hazegurl, Peregrinus, Cyan Griffonclaw, Sylvanie Relden, Asden Nedra ( sorry I think that's right)  (sorry if I forgot any) - are so knowledgeable and  well Bioware could really use your help.

 

Hehe, thank you, needed that today.

I haven't decided whether to apply yet. I've spent so much time struggling through the game multiple times--half as melee (sore hands and frustrations and all)--in an attempt to help one of the nexus guys find what triggers specific bugs for a community patch that I'm not sure I want to look at it any more.

 

I have a list of story bugs, missfiring triggers, cutscene anomalies, subtitle typos and areas missing textures (although, that's actually not a lot--I've found 1 missing door and an apparently untextured armour, whoever did these were thorough) already, if they want them. I could send them now, but I doubt it'd be presently welcome (happy to be corrected, Mr Pierse). Since they said they're reading this thread, I've mentioned a couple of the PC-specific ones already.

However, I'm stubborn. I persist. I love the world too much not to. It'll be a matter of timing, and how much paid work I have to prioritise when the beta applications open up. Australian summer holiday period ended a couple of weeks ago, Universities are going back at the end of the month, so my workload is about to triple and I won't have time for gaming.

I definitely hope those on your list with more specific programming nouse than I have will apply, and be accepted.

[FOE]

@ Elhanan - You have a certain way of riding a fence.  It must be painful.  If you're content with the game, then why be here?  You have this almost dismissive way about your posts - I've been reading them for some time.  Take for instance your recent post: "Personally am content with the game," "Some here think it is poor; I do not", and "Hope those with real troubles (eg; CTD get fixes soon)".  That's a lot of contentedness for just one post, and these forums are full of it.  It's not helpful whatever it is that you're doing.

[Sylveria_Relden]

The true difference between ignorance and stupidity-

 

Ignorance - you don't know any better.

Stupidity - you know better, and do it anyway.

[FOE]

@Bethgael - You're helpful.  You probably know the issues at hand, as good as anyone - I haven't played the game more than 2 hours in....so I don't have the gaming experience with this game.  I wish that I could get beyond the controls, but I refuse to.

[Sylveria_Relden]

@ Elhanan - You have a certain way of riding a fence.  It must be painful.  If you're content with the game, then why be here?  You have this almost dismissive way about your posts - I've been reading them for some time.  Take for instance your recent post: "Personally am content with the game," "Some here think it is poor; I do not", and "Hope those with real troubles (eg; CTD get fixes soon)".  That's a lot of contentedness for just one post, and these forums are full of it.  It's not helpful whatever it is that you're doing.

 

@FOE- remember, everyone's entitled to their own opinions (however baseless they may seem). Although it's somewhat suspicious that someone who's having a perfectly OK time with the game and enjoying it may come into the "PC Community Concerns" forum topic to post thus, they still have the right to do so much as you or I have. You'd think that someone who's fine with the game and has nothing pertinent to contribute to the discussion would be too busy playing the game, but I never assume that's the case.

[FOE]

@ Sylveria_Relden - I do realize that people are entitled to their opinion.  I'm not trying to live up or down to my moniker.  I appreciate constructive dialogue from Elhanan, and anyone from time to time, I had just noticed certain "buzzwords" in his post, and they keep coming up.  Company apologists are fine, but do they really have their "own" opinions?  Something to ponder.

[Jackal19851111]

I'll sign up once it becomes available, see how it goes. I might be busy with Attila Total War though that's the thing, and that's going to take up 35 more GBs of HD space.

[FOE]

You'd be a great candidate as well, Jackal.  You've tried numerous mods for this game and have done your darndest to play it.  I have refused on principle until the controls are at least close to the other DA games.  You'd know what needs a fixin'.

[Sylveria_Relden]

@ Sylveria_Relden - I do realize that people are entitled to their opinion.  I'm not trying to live up or down to my moniker.  I appreciate constructive dialogue from Elhanan, and anyone from time to time, I had just noticed certain "buzzwords" in his post, and they keep coming up.  Company apologists are fine, but do they really have their "own" opinions?  Something to ponder.

 

Trust me, I understand what you mean- and I think you know by now I've no fondness for "apologists, trolls or bait/goad posters", either.

 

What I do believe in is healthy facilitation of discussion- which means sticking to facts. Although some may attempt to dissuade, devolve, elude, and dismiss discussion- the truth eventually wins out and those attempting to do so will end up looking foolish. (hence the reason they usually don't stick around in the discussion)

 

I've no problem with those who make mistakes- after all, to err is to be human. However, I do take issue with those who continuously make them without attempting to correct those errors.

[FOE]

I do as well.  That's why I quoted him as best as these forums will allow.  I had to constantly reread and type what he said.  I'm not able to "quote" or post a new topic, or even cut/paste text on these forums.  I'm working with what I'm allowed, but I don't intentionally fabricate information.  That's detrimental to the cause here.  I don't want anyone - including me - to look ridiculous.  I'm here to figure out when this game will be playable in the state that I was promised.  Booware didn't tell me that I needed a controller to play it.  They didn't show PC gamers playing it like it was a GTA 3 game on the PC....WASD controls are so 2004.  Anyway, I digress.  To what issues are you addressing?  Continuously making errors where?  That's a bit vague.

[Sylveria_Relden]

To what issues are you addressing?  Continuously making errors where?  That's a bit vague.

 

I'm speaking generally- meaning, that when I personally make a mistake, I admit to the mistake and do what I can to correct it or make it right.

 

I'm not addressing you, personally- else I'd have mentioned you (and the particular mistake) inline with the statement

[FOE]

Ahhh, okay.  Thank you for the clarification, Slyveria_Reldan.  I try to pick up what I can, read between the lines and all, but sometimes that tact isn't always the best one - can lead to temporary paranoia.  Best to steer clear of reading too much into things....and my apologies to "Elhanan" and "Bethgael" and anyone that I may have offended in the months (between suspensions) here.  I'm really trying to figure out how/when this game will be playable by my standards, and I realize that my standards are not others.

[Brogan]

...and my apologies to "Elhanan" and "Bethgael" and anyone that I may have offended in the months (between suspensions) here.

 

 

hooligan...

[FOE]

I'm a rebel, and I'll never be any good.  The Crystals said it best...not the ones that I stuck on Shale.

[Sylveria_Relden]

I'm a rebel, and I'll never be any good.  The Crystals said it best...not the ones that I stuck on Shale.

 

"And now, Your Highness, we will discuss the location of your hidden rebel base."

 

ALL YOU BASE ARE NOW BELONG TO US!!!!!

[Elhanan]

That's like saying no one ever gets killed for jaywalking. It simply must not be true, right?

Only highly unlikely. Modular logic has been around since my coding days in mid '80's, and during my Father's days before that. It is difficult for me to believe this would be the case now, and any problem would seem to lie elsewhere.

Still possible, but not probable.

[Sylveria_Relden]

Only highly unlikely. Modular logic has been around since my coding days in mid '80's, and during my Father's days before that. It is difficult for me to believe this would be the case now, and any problem would seem to lie elsewhere.

Still possible, but not probable.

 

I'd be completely open to any counter-suggestions or hypotheses. With the lack of such alternative perspective, it would appear the only viable conclusion for the fact they haven't addressed the PC controls issues yet is that they indeed programmed the interface for controls modularly, thus are unable to address it because it would take re-writing the code, which we all know they wouldn't do.

[Elhanan]

I'd be completely open to any counter-suggestions or hypotheses. With the lack of such alternative perspective, it would appear the only viable conclusion for the fact they haven't addressed the PC controls issues yet is that they indeed programmed the interface for controls modularly, thus are unable to address it because it would take re-writing the code, which we all know they wouldn't do.

Only a guess, but may have to do with the time testing to see if changes alter anything in the final results; trying to avoid losing X because Y was repaired, as some modules do interact.

[Brogan]

Well, if it comes down to 'the PC version can't have X because there isn't an equivalent functionality that exists/works for the console version', then the corner they painted themselves into seems pretty obvious.

[FOE]

WHAT?  Elhanan, don't you agree that consoles were the focus from ground one?  What limited hardware was available (4 years ago) and the code was most likely written for the base model's specs....it's not as "modular" as you think, if you target a base platform.  How expansive is the code now?  How great have they been in trying to recreate established PC features in previous PC games?  It's taking them a long time.

[Sylveria_Relden]

There's a lot of facts that do tend to disagree your guess of time testing being either "a" or "the" factor:

 

Fact

The game has been out for almost 4 months now since release.

 

Fact

There have been 4 patches previously and yet one of them has to address PC controls in particular (other than adding a "walk" assignment it seems the focus was fixing Varric's leg). It also appears that Patch 5 will yet again evade addressing said controls, according to their own announcements so far.

 

Fact

They had over 4 years to test this game in development from the time it was announced. The game was even set back another year to "ensure they would bring us the best possible game".

 

With just these facts alone- do you still think "testing time" is a factor? Seriously?

[FOE]

Maybe people (like "Elharan") desire the devil's advocate tacit. No apologies from me, for noticing.  It might seem like a polite, trollish manner, but maybe he's really bored.  Who knows?

[CatatonicMan]

Only a guess, but may have to do with the time testing to see if changes alter anything in the final results; trying to avoid losing X because Y was repaired, as some modules do interact.

 

If the code is so interdependent that a simple button reassignment can cause side effects....yeah, that's not really any better.

 

Still, I find it improbable that they'd make such mistakes. I just can't think of any other reason for the delay.

 

Maybe it's been sidelined to prioritize other fixes? Maybe it's just pure spite? I don't know.