19127 réponses à ce sujet

[Sartoz]

Which adds up to what, black emporium and a storage chest? Color me impressed.

NO..  Bethgael is right... I think it's new content for the Multiplayer. EA is caught in the position of providing new content for the MP players, if they want to keep them.  My experience with MP is the ME3 free Multiplayer which I liked and RIFT free-to-play, which I dropped after a while because of the micro-transactions.

 

I have a feeling that the current areas are getting stale.... but I admit I'm whistling in the dark here.

[DisturbedJim83]

bless you lad/lass for giving them your time. 

 

they'd have to pay me to do that. ideally that's what they were supposed to do in the first place, before releasing the game for PC.

 

hire beta testers to test the game and make sure that, even if its a console port to PC, it doesn't massively suck.

 

but, you forego one simple step in a process...

 

so i've been going through a few comments about people complaining about the game...and then ppl complaining about the people complaining.

 

lets not turn this place into a greater circus that it already is.

 

if people have problems with the game, its their right to come here and voice their concerns.

 

if people are satisfied with the game, its their right to come here and say they're satisfied (why waste your time and rub it in other's faces though. you can enjoy the game and other people cant. unless you get off from that)

 

but you see when one guy tries to start censoring the other; tries to stop them from voicing their concern, well now...that's not how society works....last time i check mankind moves in the direction of evolution. we dont de-evolve.

 

so if this bullshit argument can be stopped sometime soon, maybe we can avoid returning to the time when we hit each other with clubs on our heads yea?

 

or better yet, if you wanna dick measure, take it to PM. feel free to post your pics for each other or w/e the hell you guys want. but in dealing with a situation of this matter you can only look at the facts.

 

its a fact that people are displeased with the product that was sold to them.

its a fact that the product was advertise in specific manners to attract specific customers.

its a catergorical fact that said product failed to deliver based on what was advertise for a percentage of players. (why else would a substantial fraction of the customer base be displeased?)

its a fact that the name of this thread is "PC Community Concern."

 

If you have a genuine concern, this is the place. no genuine concern? then there's no place for you here. Go play the game if it satisfies you 100%.

 

kthanksbai.

Not a problem and thanks I'm lucky being blessed to have a system that's total overkill (specs and photo's posted many pages back) for this game and yet also has many of the issues other's posted, I figure I may as well jump into the fire for the good of the community because if my PC encounters problems during the beta maker help anyone on a "typical  mid range gaming PC" hopefully any data will help them make adjustments for less powerful PC's (I doubt they will but i'll hold out hope).

 

Luckily I have a few things to keep me busy over the next 10 days or so like transferring my monster PC from my current NZXT Switch 810 Case to a Thermaltake Core X9 Case and adding a 3TB Hard Drive to the 2 2TB drives I have in the sysyem at the moment.

 

also got some very engrossing Dragonkind books to read through by Coreene Callahan, first book is called Fury of Fire( Think of a Twilight style love story between powerful kick-ass take charge kinda women and these Dragon Human hybrids that can shift form like Flemeth add in liberal uses of expletives and very descriptive 50 shades of Grey style love scenes all in the middle of a war lasting centuries between 2 factions of DragonKind).I just glad to have a fallback plan should the beta bring out my inner frustrated nerd rage lol.

[Sartoz]

That's pretty standard when dealing with anything Microsoft, yeah. Also, EA Games is notoriously "don't talk about us until we let you!" across all of their franchises.

 

Didn't bat an eyelid here--mostly because it's not just a fix patch (although there's fixes) but also a "new content" patch. I'm surprised anyone would be surprised there's an NDA.

It occurred to me, while sipping some nice wine, that BIO appears to be more interested in new content (read DLC for MP) instead of fixing performance problems across all platforms.

 

Ergo, the beta testing.

 

PS: about the wine. I need to warm up for Costa Rica.  You can pull a groin muscle if you don't warm up properly...

[DisturbedJim83]

Well, Mike did say that Bioware would be supporting MP.  Following this logic, the new content would be new areas/caves/dungeons from the game.

Also, new armours and weapons for a price, of course... maybe even a dual warrior/rogue?

 

Why don't we speculate what this new content would be?

There will be a cash shop where you can buy chests of virtual currency with real cash to buy spangly armors/weapons if you don't want to grind the Arena/Horde mode thingy that they are calling DAMP oh wait.......................

[GithCheater]

Wow.  The Beta is full in less than 4 hours.

[Shelled]

Wow.  The Beta is full in less than 4 hours.

This is actually surprising. I figured it would have stayed open for at least a couple of days. 

Seems like a very small portion of players are going to be able to beta test this. Either that or something broke and they needed to close it early.

[spacefiddle]

Because we should totally believe everything that Bioware says. They'd never steer us wrong. Right? Right?

 

 

The only actual information we have about the PC controls is that mouse button rebinding isn't going to be in the next patch. That's it. I'll err on the optimistic side for once and assume that means that they are, in fact, working on mouse button binding.

 

I should also note that they have never committed to addressing anything in this thread (aside from what they've already fixed). Not once. That doesn't exactly instill confidence.

 

 

It's not like we have much of a choice. We take what we're given, or we leave. That's pretty much how it works. It's on Bioware to determine how much they want us to stay.

 

This is what I am referring to:

 

http://blog.bioware....for-dragon-age/

 

Note the last few paragraphs, especially.  Now after reading that, look at the announcement Conal posted here about the beta.  Some matching themes there, yesno?

 

Read between the lines here.  I know you're annoyed, and with good reason.  But don't let it cloud your judgement or perception.  What I see between these two items is, "Yes, we know, and you're right about a bunch of it, and we wanted it in the game all along, but deadline for release is not up to us, and we're making the case to management for them to let us get it to you now like we intended it to be in the first place."

 

This whole program succeeding is very important for all of us.  Bioware's content teams will not - cannot, under any circumstances - publically say anything that criticises management.  It's a reality of corporate life.  Get used to it, because they had to, and I guarantee you it was just as unfun for them as it is for us.  I can also guarantee you that this Beta program was not something EA just up and decided to do because they feel bad.  Unnamed BW folks, and we will likely never know whom, had to make a case for this being the best move, getting it approved, getting it paid for by the same management that would rather just turn everything into low-cost console microtransaction multiplayer.

 

I know it's frustrating, and seems unclear and weird if you've never had any large enterprise experience.

 

Bottom line: if you want there to be any chance for the Bioware teams to be able to bring you the content they'd like to create, this must succeed.  It must be proven that engaging with customers and bringing them in the loop a little leads to a gain.  It must be proven that spending the time and effort and cash on making a PC game that uses a PC's capabilities still leads to a gain.  And it must be proven that addressing customer issues and responding to their concerns is more effective and successful then simply marketing the hell out of something and then ignoring complaints.

 

I don't know who you are, Bioware team leads or managers or impassioned programmer from the UI team who went to bat to help make this happen, and we probably never will, and you will likely never read this.  But thank you.  Yes, this could be the turning point you're hoping it will be.  I'm hoping so too.  Here's to cooperation and engagement.

[DarkAmaranth1966]

EA is all about making a profit. I learned that long ago and, yes they do push games, expansions and such out before they are truly ready, I've seen that with other EA titles.

 

That they are allowing the Bioware Division to run this closed beta surprises me a bit, that is not EA style. Perhaps they are coming around to the fastest, most cost effective way to test new content, and eventually new games. If so, and Bioware is championing this, then major kudos to Bioware.

 

As for everyone who will be testing, we MUST make this work and, work well. No being rude, no whining, be honest but be respectful about it. Show them that this will work and, it will be better for the game and, better for EA/Bioware.

[Wbino]

Any chance that the bad word of mouth led to this game not selling nearly as much as they thought, GOTY( was industry BS) and they know there are lot of diehard DA fans holding cash waiting for some improvement in game mechanics?

[Bethgael]

Gruntie wankel engine to you too buddy!

If you get in be sure to tell us all about it.

 

Every time I read "gruntle wankel engine" I crack up.

 

I don't know why. I think it's just the way it rolls off the Australian-accented brain tongue.

[KilrB]

Any chance that the bad word of mouth led to this game not selling nearly as much as they thought, GOTY( was industry BS) and they know there are lot of diehard DA fans holding cash waiting for some improvement in game mechanics?

 

No, it sold plenty well before word of mouth got around.

 

It's the thought of all us diehard fans not spending that cash NEXT time that is motivating this.

[CatatonicMan]

This is what I am referring to:

 

http://blog.bioware....for-dragon-age/

 

Did you actually read it? Because I did. I read it when it was posted back in December. You know what it contains?

 

Nothing. Nothing at all. It's 100% pure fresh-squeezed PR speak. The post is designed to sound very promising, without actually promising anything at all.

 

If you're basing your expectations on that, then you've built a castle in a swamp. Maybe we'll all get lucky and it won't sink. Maybe.

 

Read between the lines here.  I know you're annoyed, and with good reason.  But don't let it cloud your judgement or perception.  What I see between these two items is, "Yes, we know, and you're right about a bunch of it, and we wanted it in the game all along, but deadline for release is not up to us, and we're making the case to management for them to let us get it to you now like we intended it to be in the first place."

 

Between the lines? Where there's all that empty white space full of nothing? I think I grokked that well enough.

 

I'll grant that they are at least acknowledging that we have issues; what they aren't doing is promising that any of them will be fixed.

 

As a side note, I'm fairly sure the problems with the PC interface/controls did, in fact, take them completely by surprise; it's a fundamental design flaw/blindspot, not an area that wasn't finished in time.

 

This whole program succeeding is very important for all of us.  Bioware's content teams will not - cannot, under any circumstances - publically say anything that criticises management.  It's a reality of corporate life.  Get used to it, because they had to, and I guarantee you it was just as unfun for them as it is for us.  I can also guarantee you that this Beta program was not something EA just up and decided to do because they feel bad.  Unnamed BW folks, and we will likely never know whom, had to make a case for this being the best move, getting it approved, getting it paid for by the same management that would rather just turn everything into low-cost console microtransaction multiplayer.

 

Probably true. Also irrelevant. The beta is a good move, but the fact that it is necessary at all tells a story all on its own. Not a positive story, mind.

 

Bottom line: if you want there to be any chance for the Bioware teams to be able to bring you the content they'd like to create, this must succeed.  It must be proven that engaging with customers and bringing them in the loop a little leads to a gain.  It must be proven that spending the time and effort and cash on making a PC game that uses a PC's capabilities still leads to a gain.  And it must be proven that addressing customer issues and responding to their concerns is more effective and successful then simply marketing the hell out of something and then ignoring complaints.

 

I'm sure the beta will succeed. After all, if Bioware couldn't pull off a beta they wouldn't have even got this far. I'm not even overly concerned with the lack of communication. When nobody believes a thing you say, saying more things is an exercise in futility. I've said as much in the early days of this thread.

 

No, my concern is that all of this will end up being pointless because the design of the game precludes the meaningful fixes that we want.

 

Consider that it took them a month for a walk toggle - one that's inferior to what modders made in less time. Consider that it's apparently taking them more than three months for rebindable mouse buttons. These are low-hanging fruit, and they're already struggling.

 

Nothing I've seen so far has given me any confidence that a real, true PC interface will ever appear - but I'm giving them the chance. We'll see what comes.

[KilrB]

Every time I read "gruntle wankel engine" I crack up.

 

I don't know why. I think it's just the way it rolls off the Australian-accented brain tongue.

 

An error occurred

You have reached your quota of positive votes for the day

 

[spacefiddle]

Well, it looks like most folks have gone off to bed or perhaps work, timezone depending.  I guess I'll just sit here and twitch until I know if my registration got in.  From the sounds of it, the signup stopped accepting applications after around 4 hours; the message I got when registering, under 2 hours in, indicated it succeeded but could take "up to 24 hours" for everything to register and authorize to my Origin account.

 

I'll just sit here looking wise, grizzled and mysterious and not at all like I'm going to check my access as soon as my eyes open in the morning.

[DarkAmaranth1966]

Same boat and apparently the forum for beta testers isn't active just yet.

[Jackal19851111]

Hey Everyone,

 

Sign ups are now open for the PC Patch 5 Beta program.

 

So soon? And so fast? Heck I just got back from work and it's now closed. How many people volunteered?!

 

Oh well lol, I'm busy with A:TW anyway

[Brogan]

Yep, just got home to see this as well.

 

Hope the people that are testing know wtf they're doing...

[Bethgael]

Same boat and apparently the forum for beta testers isn't active just yet.

 

It's only 2.20pm (tomorrow, for you) here and I'm supposed to be parsing Qld State School legislation for teacher's aides.

 

I'm trying wise, grizzled and mysterious, but it's somehow coming out as distracted, bored and... OMGTHEYWEREN'TKIDDINGABOUTTHEINCOMINGWINDSTORM.

 

I feel very sorry for the POTC5 crew & actors right now. They were probably expecting, y'know, sun and reasonable filming weather. Heh, like Qld would give that to them in February. Johnny Depp landed and Rockhampton had a minor earthquake (I'm not kidding. Only 5.2). We blame him. "Yes, the earth did move for us, too."

 

And now... cyclone.

[spacefiddle]

Yyyyikes.  I've just been revisiting Fallout 3 so I'm going to go with "duck and cover!"

[Bethgael]

Yyyyikes.  I've just been revisiting Fallout 3 so I'm going to go with "duck and cover!"

Might sit out on the front porch with a Bundy until it gets really bad. Cools things down, at least.

[Ncongruous]

EA is all about making a profit. I learned that long ago and, yes they do push games, expansions and such out before they are truly ready, I've seen that with other EA titles.

That they are allowing the Bioware Division to run this closed beta surprises me a bit, that is not EA style. Perhaps they are coming around to the fastest, most cost effective way to test new content, and eventually new games. If so, and Bioware is championing this, then major kudos to Bioware.

As for everyone who will be testing, we MUST make this work and, work well. No being rude, no whining, be honest but be respectful about it. Show them that this will work and, it will be better for the game and, better for EA/Bioware.

It was probably already written in EULA/NDA/DNR agreement you filled out anyway.

• Clause 11(a): No whining like a little *****, ******. No being rude, *******.
   

If you're basing your expectations on that, then you've built a castle in a swamp. Maybe we'll all get lucky and it won't sink. Maybe.

"The king said it was daft to build a castle in the swamp. But I built it all the same - just to show'em. It sank into the swamp. So... I built a second one. That sank into the swamp. So I built a third one. That burned down, fell over and then sank into the swamp. But the fourth one..."

What I perceive to be the proper course of action? Optimism tempered with skepticism. The exchange between CatatonicMan and spacefiddle is not under appreciated by myself. *hat tip*

 

And good luck to all will be Beta Tasters.

[DarkAmaranth1966]

It was probably already written in EULA/NDA/DNR agreement you filled out anyway.

• Clause 11(a): No whining like a little *****, ******. No being rude, *******.
   

"The king said it was daft to build a castle in the swamp. But I built it all the same - just to show'em. It sank into the swamp. So... I built a second one. That sank into the swamp. So I built a third one. That burned down, fell over and then sank into the swamp. But the fourth one..."

What I perceive to be the proper course of action? Optimism tempered with skepticism. The exchange between CatatonicMan and spacefiddle is not under appreciated by myself. *hat tip*

 

And good luck to all will be Beta Tasters.

No quite, more like they can boot any beta w/o explanation anytime they want - again standard beta tester stuff. This is new to them, beta testers need to help make this work so the program can stay active for future stuff.

[Hexoduen]

I signed up. My rogue wouldn't have it any other way

[Dubya75]

NDA, for a freaking patch? Really?

 

 

The patch will include the new Black Emporium and possibly some other bits & pieces. So, understandably, they don't want people to make the content of the patch public. Also because (worst case scenario) they have to pull a feature that doesn't work.

 

Honestly, what is the big deal? You tick an agreement box for NDA and you test it without spilling the details of it to the public.

Surely, that is not too difficult?