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So soon? And so fast? Heck I just got back from work and it's now closed. How many people volunteered?!
Oh well lol, I'm busy with A:TW anyway
You snooze, you lose, innit! 
I did sign up, but I suspect - with my reputation here, I may not be accepted into the "program". Hopefully, Bioware realize however that allowing only fanboys in won't really be the most constructive thing. They need critical people to shake things up a bit.
now that signups are finally here, I can't help but notice how ridiculous this is that we are having beta signups for a patch for a dragon age game lol.
Anyway, I'm down with it.
Exactly!
I can't believe anybody in this thread is signing up!
This is exactly what is wrong with this industry. They should be doing the testing themselves before they release the game...and if they don't they should be ridiculed in the tech press and/or taken to court by some enterprising lawyer.
Boycott their stupid NDA Beta Patch testing!
Which adds up to what, black emporium and a storage chest? Color me impressed.
This is all there will be.
I predict there will be virtually nothing coming from Bioware...just little titbits like this that should have been there from the beggining.
Did they look at DAII, apologise and set to work eliminating the re-used dungeons. Did they remove the respawning "raining men" enemies?
No, they did nothing. They will do nothing here either.
If you expect them to hold their hands up and deliver the PC experience they promised you are in for disappointment. No patch will do this...ever.
I have uninstalled this travisty....uninstalled Origin and am waiting for GTAV and the Witcher to occupy the space I freed up on my SSDs
I am finally happy with DAI 
Exactly!
I can't believe anybody in this thread is signing up!
This is exactly what is wrong with this industry. They should be doing the testing themselves before they release the game...and if they don't they should be ridiculed in the tech press and/or taken to court by some enterprising lawyer.
Boycott their stupid NDA Beta Patch testing!
I am not sure exactly what your problem is, but I believe most people in this thread (and this forum in general) are here because they actually LOVE the Dragon Age franchise, including DAI.
The reason why we are bitching about things is because we know it can be much much better and we are trying our best to get Bioware to somehow wake up and make DAI the game it is meant to be - such as implementing the very basic things like proper controls and UI.
NOT to hate for the sake of it.
If you were to look at the situation with a more sober mind, you would recognize the benefit of a Beta test. Yes, I agree that they should be able to test their own stuff, but since they are apparently too inept at doing so, it is a very good idea to give the task to capable people who actually play the game on PC.
NDA is also necessary because they understandably do not want their Beta code leaked all over the web. it is in BETA stage, i.e. NOT ready for public consumption.
Your hate just for the sake of hate is really not constructive. If you truly hate the game so much, why do you even bother posting?
This is all there will be.
I predict there will be virtually nothing coming from Bioware...just little titbits like this that should have been there from the beggining.
Did they look at DAII, apologise and set to work eliminating the re-used dungeons. Did they remove the respawning "raining men" enemies?
No, they did nothing. They will do nothing here either.
If you expect them to hold their hands up and deliver the PC experience they promised you are in for disappointment. No patch will do this...ever.
I have uninstalled this travisty....uninstalled Origin and am waiting for GTAV and the Witcher to occupy the space I freed up on my SSDs
I am finally happy with DAI
Clearly, you are bluffing. If you have really moved on and indeed, uninstalled the game, you would not be here.
So get real.
You are even suggesting that Bioware did not listen about the recycling of dungeons? So....what, they are still recycling dungeons in DAI? That's funny, because I don't think I've come across a single instance of this in the entire game!
I am all for constructive criticism, but what you are doing here is nothing more than foaming at the mouth.
Anyone else got Beta running yet?
I think I did sign up, though I'm not too sure since it said it was successful but guess I was expecting something else, longer process with questions and all, like the one for the keep. Anyways, anyone in yet?
Anyone else got Beta running yet?
I think I did sign up, though I'm not too sure since it said it was successful but guess I was expecting something else, longer process with questions and all, like the one for the keep. Anyways, anyone in yet?
They said it'd be 24 hours or so from signup if successful, once the NDA was signed.
They said it'd be 24 hours or so from signup if successful, once the NDA was signed.
Thx was just wondering if it was successful just because I saw the message at the time or if there will still be cuts. I'm looking forward to giving my char a plastic surgery in the emprium, he looks hideous lol Guess he wont die of ugliness by having to wait a few more hours lol
I am not sure exactly what your problem is, but I believe most people in this thread (and this forum in general) are here because they actually LOVE the Dragon Age franchise, including DAI.
The reason why we are bitching about things is because we know it can be much much better and we are trying our best to get Bioware to somehow wake up and make DAI the game it is meant to be - such as implementing the very basic things like proper controls and UI.
NOT to hate for the sake of it.
If you were to look at the situation with a more sober mind, you would recognize the benefit of a Beta test. Yes, I agree that they should be able to test their own stuff, but since they are apparently too inept at doing so, it is a very good idea to give the task to capable people who actually play the game on PC.
NDA is also necessary because they understandably do not want their Beta code leaked all over the web. it is in BETA stage, i.e. NOT ready for public consumption.
Your hate just for the sake of hate is really not constructive. If you truly hate the game so much, why do you even bother posting?
I'm sorry but where exactly do I use the word hate? It's a computer game ffs. What I dislike is being mis-sold merchandise and having no recourse to rectify that. I dislike that people will put up with being beta testers for the game...these people are the cause of the problems in the first place...Bioware knows they can sell and say anything in any state with impunity.
The point I am making is that discerning customers should tell them to shove their Beta testing.
As for the bluffing you are 100% wrong. DAI/origin is off my PC ... I might post up a bit of noise here and keep an eye on the nothing that is happening since that is the only recourse I have.
I will express my opinion as I please and don't need anyone putting words in my mouth or second guessing what I say. I think my posts are eminently clear and concise (never said anything about recycling in DAI...said they never rectified this in DAII).
If I might make a suggestion...direct your invective at the company that sold this second rate gaming experience not at people with legitimate grievances about this situation who are simply trying to raise their voice.
Happy posting
I am not sure exactly what your problem is, but I believe most people in this thread (and this forum in general) are here because they actually LOVE the Dragon Age franchise, including DAI.
The reason why we are bitching about things is because we know it can be much much better and we are trying our best to get Bioware to somehow wake up and make DAI the game it is meant to be - such as implementing the very basic things like proper controls and UI.
NOT to hate for the sake of it.
If you were to look at the situation with a more sober mind, you would recognize the benefit of a Beta test. Yes, I agree that they should be able to test their own stuff, but since they are apparently too inept at doing so, it is a very good idea to give the task to capable people who actually play the game on PC.
NDA is also necessary because they understandably do not want their Beta code leaked all over the web. it is in BETA stage, i.e. NOT ready for public consumption.
Your hate just for the sake of hate is really not constructive. If you truly hate the game so much, why do you even bother posting?
They put autoattack key in the game. Looks like thats it. This is never going to be what its meant to be. I guess you can forget the proper isometric view or party based tactical gameplay. You play an action hero saving the world Hollywood style. As long as your eyes are entertained by pretty visuals and you dont take away your hands fomr the left mouse button you are fine. Im not saying thats bad but i dont think i will "adapt" to it in the future. I just hope they improve the game significantly with this last patch so i can make a playthrough as a mage for roleplaying reasons. Then im done with DA franchise.
I hope the beta testers are not people who put hundreds of hours into playing this game with tac cam and think its fine. Otherwise it will be just a PR stunt. But i dont even think they will really want listen to feedback anyway based on this giga thread. Who knows?
They put autoattack key in the game. Looks like thats it. This is never going to be what its meant to be. I guess you can forget the proper isometric view or party based tactical gameplay. You play an action hero saving the world Hollywood style. Im not saying thats bad but i dont think i will "adapt" to it in the future. I just hope they improve the game significantly with this last patch so i can make a playthrough as a mage for roleplaying reasons. Then im done with DA franchise.
I hope the beta testers are not people who put hundreds of hours into playing this game with tac cam and think its fine. Otherwise it will be just a PR stunt.
No, atuo-attack is not the only thing they are adding with patch 5.
- Black Emporium, allowing you to change your toon's appearance and voice
- Underforge storage chest
- Armor tinting, which I guess will be added to crafting
- Auto-attack
- more stuff like bug fixes and possibly more added features they have not made mention of
I share your frustration about the whole thing, but I believe there is actually more constructive benefit in getting this thing publicly beta tested. But like you say, it all depends on who they choose. If they only choose the fanboys, then it will fail miserably.
But if they choose people like us, who have not been shy about pointing out the game's flaws, then I believe we may just move forward a little.
No, atuo-attack is not the only thing they are adding with patch 5.
- Black Emporium, allowing you to change your toon's appearance and voice
- Underforge storage chest
- Armor tinting, which I guess will be added to crafting
- Auto-attack
- more stuff like bug fixes and possibly more added features they have not made mention of
I share your frustration about the whole thing, but I believe there is actually more constructive benefit in getting this thing publicly beta tested. But like you say, it all depends on who they choose. If they only choose the fanboys, then it will fail miserably.
But if they choose people like us, who have not been shy about pointing out the game's flaws, then I believe we may just move forward a little.
Maybe. There are pretty good things. I think all of it should have been the game in the first place but i guess they didnt have enough time because EA. Why would they give it away for free if it wasnt intended for launch? Not having storage chest and any of the announced features is very far from game breaking, minor inconvenience. Not complaints there, its good stuff getting them even now if you want another playthrough. But why would you want another playthrough when the combat is the same sunday afternoon casualness with utter boredom if you play the intended way (third person view hacknslash) or a mess if you try it the Oirgins way (tactical camera)? We didnt get any announcement about improvements there except the autoattack key which will be worth nothing alone.
Maybe. There are pretty good things. I think all of it should have been the game in the first place but i guess they didnt have enough time because EA. Why would they give it away for free if it wasnt intended for launch? Not having storage chest and any of the announced features is very far from game breaking, minor inconvenience. Not complaints there, its good stuff getting them even now if you want another playthrough. But why would you want another playthrough when the combat is the same sunday afternoon casualness with utter boredom if you play the intended way (third person view hacknslash) or a mess if you try it the Oirgins way (tactical camera)? We didnt get any announcement about improvements there except the autoattack key which will be worth nothing alone.
Yes, all those things should have been in the initial game release, together with all the other things we are shouting about. That is after all why we are shouting about them. These are BASIC things, most of which were already in previous games and should have been in this one as well.
Instead of wasting resources on useless mounts and things like Astrarium puzzles that gives you ABSOLUTELY NOTHING, they could have implemented these fundamental necessities.
At least now they are...trying. I guess.
Boycott their stupid NDA Beta Patch testing!
Boycott the opportunity for the insight we've been asking for, to give feedback that the fixes are what we've been asking for...?
/headscratch
I managed to sign up for the beta, but I have no idea how to tell if I'm in or not. Not sure why I wanted in really. I haven't managed more than a couple of hours with the awful PC control scheme. I really want to love this game. It's the first game I ever bought at launch for regular price (and this is coming from some one who once owned an original Pong) but the more I read, the less likely I think it will be I could ever be satisfied with this game.
Every single complaint I have with it is based on it being a console port, from the m+kb controls to the limit of 8 hotkeys to the inability to select multiple party members to the lack of usable tac cam to the inability to talk to party members outside of the main base. All of these things are because they can't be done on consoles. Console-friendly is baked into the game. If consoles can't do it, then it can't be done. To make this a PC game would require a total rewrite from the beginning of every design decision in the game and that's just not going to happen. Not in patch 5, not in patch 55.
If selected for the beta, I will struggle through without a controller and do my best to be honest but I get the impression that DAO is an experience that will never be repeated in the console age.
Boycott the opportunity for the insight we've been asking for, to give feedback that the fixes are what we've been asking for...?
/headscratch
I know, right?!
Some people just want to watch the world burn...
You snooze, you lose, innit!
I did sign up, but I suspect - with my reputation here, I may not be accepted into the "program". Hopefully, Bioware realize however that allowing only fanboys in won't really be the most constructive thing. They need critical people to shake things up a bit.
Please keep us informed, dear Dubya, if you do get in... (except the NDA-covered stuff of course)
I managed to sign up for the beta, but I have no idea how to tell if I'm in or not. Not sure why I wanted in really. I haven't managed more than a couple of hours with the awful PC control scheme. I really want to love this game. It's the first game I ever bought at launch for regular price (and this is coming from some one who once owned an original Pong) but the more I read, the less likely I think it will be I could ever be satisfied with this game.
Every single complaint I have with it is based on it being a console port, from the m+kb controls to the limit of 8 hotkeys to the inability to select multiple party members to the lack of usable tac cam to the inability to talk to party members outside of the main base. All of these things are because they can't be done on consoles. Console-friendly is baked into the game. If consoles can't do it, then it can't be done. To make this a PC game would require a total rewrite from the beginning of every design decision in the game and that's just not going to happen. Not in patch 5, not in patch 55.
If selected for the beta, I will struggle through without a controller and do my best to be honest but I get the impression that DAO is an experience that will never be repeated in the console age.
Well....I don't think the situation is quite as hopeless as that.
Technically, you CAN use more than 8 abilities, but you have to swap them out. This CAN be fixed by re-designing the dumb-ass hotbar by removing all the useless junk (everything to the right of the pause button, including the pause button - because KB&M gamers do NOT need icons when they can map keys to those functions). It should be no problem at all to dock more abilities.
Secondly, Frostbite 3 IS MORE THAN CAPABLE of delivering proper KB&M controls. This engine was built for FPS games, with a LARGE portion of gamers traditionally playing on PC with KB&M.
So the missing mouse button mappings for example, was nothing more than laziness on Bioware's part.
The UI problems are probably the easiest to fix, but it is what it is because they neglected (again, the laziness factor) to design a more PC-friendly UI for the PC gamers.
The attempt to create a unified UI was an absolute FAIL. Even I could have done 10 times better.
So you see, it is not a matter of possibility or being baked in that is limiting the developers, it is a matter of DO THEY WANT TO make these changes for PC gamers? If they do, then there is hope....
Please keep us informed, dear Dubya, if you do get in... (except the NDA-covered stuff of course)
I will not disclose anything I have agreed not to, but rest assured, I will let you all know if what is in the patch is something to look forward to or not...
Well....I don't think the situation is quite as hopeless as that.
Technically, you CAN use more than 8 abilities, but you have to swap them out. This CAN be fixed by re-designing the dumb-ass hotbar by removing all the useless junk (everything to the right of the pause button, including the pause button - because KB&M gamers do NOT need icons when they can map keys to those functions). It should be no problem at all to dock more abilities.
Secondly, Frostbite 3 IS MORE THAN CAPABLE of delivering proper KB&M controls. This engine was built for FPS games, with a LARGE portion of gamers traditionally playing on PC with KB&M.
So the missing mouse button mappings for example, was nothing more than laziness on Bioware's part.
The UI problems are probably the easiest to fix, but it is what it is because they neglected (again, the laziness factor) to design a more PC-friendly UI for the PC gamers.
The attempt to create a unified UI was an absolute FAIL. Even I could have done 10 times better.
So you see, it is not a matter of possibility or being baked in that is limiting the developers, it is a matter of DO THEY WANT TO make these changes for PC gamers? If they do, then there is hope....
no, it's not that hopeless. The hotbar can be fixed/expanded. The UI can be completely redesigned for mouse click rather than controller stick. The tac cam can be fixed. The clcik-to-move/interact/attack exists (as can be seen in tac cam) so it just needs to be added to action cam. These things would all make for a more PC friendly game.
But other things would require more than simple fixes, such as conversing with party members, and expanded tactics options. These were designed with consoles in mind and limit the game at a fundamental level.
but even if all of this could be changed/fixed so the game is at least playable on PC as a PC game and not a bad console port, will the game till ever really be more than a console port? Sure it could reach the point of being a good console port but it will never be a great one nor can it ever be a great PC game. The seed from which it was grown from just doesn't have that DNA in it.
I managed to sign up for the beta, but I have no idea how to tell if I'm in or not.
There's a link for the beta under the Patch 5 notes/News and Announcements, pinned by Conal Pierse. If you've already signed the NDA, I would just keep trying the link periodically until it recognizes you. 
Well....I don't think the situation is quite as hopeless as that.
Technically, you CAN use more than 8 abilities, but you have to swap them out. This CAN be fixed by re-designing the dumb-ass hotbar by removing all the useless junk (everything to the right of the pause button, including the pause button - because KB&M gamers do NOT need icons when they can map keys to those functions). It should be no problem at all to dock more abilities.
Secondly, Frostbite 3 IS MORE THAN CAPABLE of delivering proper KB&M controls. This engine was built for FPS games, with a LARGE portion of gamers traditionally playing on PC with KB&M.
So the missing mouse button mappings for example, was nothing more than laziness on Bioware's part.
The UI problems are probably the easiest to fix, but it is what it is because they neglected (again, the laziness factor) to design a more PC-friendly UI for the PC gamers.
The attempt to create a unified UI was an absolute FAIL. Even I could have done 10 times better.
So you see, it is not a matter of possibility or being baked in that is limiting the developers, it is a matter of DO THEY WANT TO make these changes for PC gamers? If they do, then there is hope....
I'll be quite impressed if even half of these things you (hopefully) bring up within the confines of the beta thread are even replied to by Bioware.
Is good to know you might be involved in the beta (assuming this really seems like what it is, and there's a chance that something useful might result).
Rest assured, if I get in to the Beta, I will be giving EXTENSIVE feedback on everything we've voiced concerns about. But yes, its up to Bioware to respond...
Hello Conal, any (approximate) dates for when the Patch will be available to everyone?
There's a link for the beta under the Patch 5 notes/News and Announcements, pinned by Conal Pierse. If you've already signed the NDA, I would just keep trying the link periodically until it recognizes you.
so that's a no then. probably for the better since I imagine I would struggle to even get to the Black Emporium in time to offer any feedback on it
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