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so that's a no then. probably for the better since I imagine I would struggle to even get to the Black Emporium in time to offer any feedback on it
Patience, young apprentice! It is likely that people will only get allowed in a few hours from now...considering Canada time, probably around 4 or 5 hours from now...
If anyone has had access to the Beta by now, we would have known about it.
Patience, young apprentice! It is likely that people will only get allowed in a few hours from now...considering Canada time, probably around 4 or 5 hours from now...
If anyone has had access to the Beta by now, we would have known about it.
oh, ok. strange that there is a link already
Hello Conal, any (approximate) dates for when the Patch will be available to everyone?
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Is that a serious question?
Rest assured, if I get in to the Beta, I will be giving EXTENSIVE feedback on everything we've voiced concerns about. But yes, its up to Bioware to respond...
Im not sure what they are expecting. Feedback on storage chest? What feedback could you give abot that mirror? Im afraid if there wont be any resolution to the PC concerns mentionied here (specifically control related) being on the beta test wont matter a thing. You cant give feedback about what is not in the beta. I guess we jsut have to wait and see what they are planning.
Im not sure what they are expecting. Feedback on storage chest? What feedback could you give abot that mirror? Im afraid if there wont be any resolution to the PC concerns mentionied here (specifically control related) being on the beta test wont matter a thing. You cant give feedback about what is not in the beta. I guess we jsut have to wait and see what they are planning.
There will be things in there that have not been mentioned. And we need to test all of it. Does the storage let you store thing it shouldn't like schematics, requisition recipes, etc... and, if so, does the game act like they are still in your inventory, dose it close the requisition, break it? Will it come back out of the storage.
Does the mirror work properly? Does the game crash if you spend too long using the mirror. Can you change things you should not be able to change like gender and race?
Does ever item you can get there work properly in game? Can you fall through floors or walls? Glitch through them? Can yo find a way to dupe items, dupe your Inquisitor, blend hairstyles, do you take falling damage or not in there? What happens if you attack, grappling chain, or use other abilities on NPCs and objects in there?
And that's just a few of the things I can think of to test w/o even seeing the patch yet.
Im not sure what they are expecting. Feedback on storage chest? What feedback could you give abot that mirror? Im afraid if there wont be any resolution to the PC concerns mentionied here (specifically control related) being on the beta test wont matter a thing. You cant give feedback about what is not in the beta. I guess we jsut have to wait and see what they are planning.
What they are expecting is for people to beta test the stuff they are adding to the game.
Even a seemingly simple thing such as a storage chest may have bugs.
Tinting may have bugs.
The Black Emporium may have bugs
The Mirror of Transformation may have bugs
Stuff may not work as intended or may have to be tweaked a little to make it more fluid or intuitive, etc etc. You get the idea.
As far as feedback is concerned, participants will have access to a private forum. So anything mentioned in there will get a lot more focus and attention than in a general forum like this one.
So yes, I believe it will be an opportunity to say things and be heard, even if it is not about elements directly implemented in the beta patch.
You cant give feedback about what is not in the beta. I guess we jsut have to wait and see what they are planning.
No, but it was my thought that depending on the level of interactivity and level of discussion of this beta, you can get feedback on things that are "not on the table" just by talking about them. This won't be the 500 page Concerns thread where we have no idea when the next official comment will be. It should be a much more fluid discussion. I can't see there being any issue in which they can hide from.
And I really hope of the people who get in the beta, more than just Dubya take this approach, as we know there are many pc players who are "happy with" the current controls...
This is from a person which curiosity made him disregard any Denuvo objections and bought the game to see if this really can be his 2014 GotY.
It is not.
It is not a bad game but i, too, wanted this game to be better than this and not as boring as it is sometimes. I just finished Crestwood though with lots of power points. Story is sometimes ok, sometimes is bad, with few exceptions i.e. Iron Bull is a great character and the Crestwood zone, quests and dungeon are great. Combat sucks. UI sucks. Inventory sucks (Modded, ty God). Music and songs are great. The world of Thedas is great too.
While i admire the persistence of the posters here and -most importantly- agree or sympathize with the majority of complains they express, i believe this effort is nothing more than an excercise in futility.
Dragon Age: Inquisition really is a game targeting the console experienced gamer and the PC gamer that chooses action and button mashing instead of tactical thinking and execution. That is not a bad thing ofcourse but it was much less than some few (or more?) PCRP tactical gamers expected and it just shows the chasm that divides Bioware and their game making mindset with the preferences of the said gaming group. Having the game producer not clarifying this subject adequately in his "By PC gamers to PC gamers" promotional video, appears as shady but that does not make him or Bioware liars, they just never went into some details.
So the game's target group responded and found DA:I was their 2014 GotY, that is a fact no matter whether i ever understand why this happened or not, it is irrelevant. The game's main goal (to sell well to the appropriate audience) was achieved and most people were happy. The gaming subgroup that wants to play a game with battles similar to DA:O or some older Bioware titles can not rely on Bioware for delivering this kind of games anymore. They are capable enough to make one if they really want to but they just do not want to make games like these anymore, they want to make action-RPG like games with what they call: a meaningfull and engaging story, because these are their selling points.
So, there you have it.
You are knocking at the wrong door. They ll never let you in. They might give you some pennies only to appear like they tried or cared but nothing more. Nothing close to what you expect. Whether you will be happy from this or not it is just up to you, as for my self i welcome any addition that will make the game better but i am not expecting much.
Just before caving in and buying DA:I i had recently played UFO: Enemy Within, Valkyria Chronicles, Shadowrun: Dragonfall EC and Divinity: Original Sin with the Larian's gem having -what i think- the greatest tactical combat style i have ever played in a game. DA:I tactical's combat, not even close.
Some other issues, the technical ones and bug fixes, are indeed taking a very long time to br fixed, but i believe they will be fixed eventually.
I do not know what will happen with the horrible UI, i only hope that modders will solve the problem for me as they solved my inventory one. And i ll wait for patch 5 to get the extra storage.
(Excuse me for any mistakes. English is not my native language. Have fun. 
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If we are permitted to do so yes. I don't think the PC controls are 100% horrible, but I do think there is room for improvement, especially in the form of additional toggles, IU improvements and, the functioning of some commands (that should apply to all platforms) I know others want to see different changes, perhaps we will get the chance to discuss those CALMLY with the devs at some point in this Beta.
Exactly!
I can't believe anybody in this thread is signing up!
This is exactly what is wrong with this industry. They should be doing the testing themselves before they release the game...and if they don't they should be ridiculed in the tech press and/or taken to court by some enterprising lawyer.
Boycott their stupid NDA Beta Patch testing!
Anybody who thinks that this game was released without internal testing is, well, pretty dumb. The issue with only using internal testing is that it will never find 100% of the problems because of the limited number of testers and the uniformity of the rigs used for testing. You only need to read through these forums to find people with no issues at all right the way up to people who can't run the game at all. This is because of the wide variety of PC specs 'in the wild' - it is simply not possible to test every single conceivable setup.
Beta testing allows a larger number of testers on a much wider variety of machines, and so can give much more comprehensive test data with a larger chance of catching issues that will affect the playing publiv. It's a Good Thing. The only criticism is that they should probably have had a closed Beta program before launch as that would likely have caught many of the problems that made it into the released version.
Still - better late than never.
Secondly, Frostbite 3 IS MORE THAN CAPABLE of delivering proper KB&M controls. This engine was built for FPS games, with a LARGE portion of gamers traditionally playing on PC with KB&M.
So the missing mouse button mappings for example, was nothing more than laziness on Bioware's part.
Maybe, maybe not. Given that the version of Frostbite they were first given couldn't even produce quadruped models it may be more limited than you think.
. This would be very exciting.
For any of you who are in the beta, please note that it may take up to 24 hours from when you signed up for the entitlement to take effect. If nothing's happened yet, don't worry. Check back in a little bit and it should be sorted.
Exactly!
I can't believe anybody in this thread is signing up!
This is exactly what is wrong with this industry. They should be doing the testing themselves before they release the game...and if they don't they should be ridiculed in the tech press and/or taken to court by some enterprising lawyer.
Boycott their stupid NDA Beta Patch testing!
Oh, so you think that 6-10 people can think of everything thousands of players MIGHT think to try doing? They do the alpha phase themselves and, a good deal of the beta I'm sure but, they are smart enough to know that they won't think of every goof ball thing players will. Even a beta team of over 1000 can miss things - I've been a part of that happening. But, fewer things that might be a problem if someone does the unexpected will get released with a good beta team testing it first.
If you owned a game company, would you pay 1000 people to test when you know there are players out there that will do it for free, if you just ask them to do it? Of course not, it makes no sense to pay for testers when there are those of us that will happily volunteer to do it because we care about the game and, the players and, want to be a part of making it better for everyone.
For any of you who are in the beta, please note that it may take up to 24 hours from when you signed up for the entitlement to take effect. If nothing's happened yet, don't worry. Check back in a little bit and it should be sorted.
will people be notified if they have been accepted or do we just have to keep trying the link and see if it works?
I can't believe anybody in this thread is signing up!
If you can't believe that people would be interested in being a part of improving a game that they play, I'm a little frightened by what it is you actually do believe.
This is exactly what is wrong with this industry. They should be doing the testing themselves before they release the game...
I take it, then, that you don't know what "Beta" means?
they should be ridiculed in the tech press and/or taken to court by some enterprising lawyer.
A lawyer who would sue them for... doing a closed beta test of software? 
Boycott their stupid NDA Beta Patch testing!
Which wouldn't help with improving the game, and could slow down implementation of features that people have been asking for. But since you, personally, are mad, I guess no one else should be able to work towards having nice things?
Not relevant to the new patch frenzy/choco-ration increase and the sudden effusive gratitude to EA, but may be peripherally connected...
Here's a funny thing. Dunno if it can help other folks having troubles and I still can't say for sure one hunnert percent, but this seems to have made a significant change to my gameplay experience with DA:I. Also don't know if it's something to look at in any bug-hunts, but you never know.
That being said...
I've mentioned a couple of times about the game's inability to update harvest/mine/tag stands/quarries and thus locking me out of most of the req's and spec'ing for the Inquisitor. I had about five characters on the go previously - one that had actually completed the game (and he could do most stuff) - and the rest glitched out heavily with my chief problem. There was also an issue with the time on the saves. When I'd go in and hit "Continue", on occasion a save would load hours earlier than I'd left off and I would have to go and load the correctly timed one. On the screen the times were all over the place. That happened with every subsequent character after I'd finished the game with my first.
All I did differently this time was to stop using Origin (using Outcome. I don't recommend it if you want achievements, etc) - and this I think is the most crucial part - I went to my save folder and excised all the saves and started a brand new Inquisitor and except for some duplication periodically getting req's in the various locales, the game has played actually ...rather well. I'd still rather the fights went like DA2's but'cha cain't have ever'thin. So far, and I'd like to stress the so far, everything is updating as it's supposed to - with only minor barely-irritating glitches.
Not being any kind of real techhead, it would appear that only running one Inquisitor at a time and having only their saves in the save folder drastically decreases the glitchiness of this thing. It's as if the other playthroughs corrupt one another when one starts to heavily glitch out. I dunno if that's even possible, but removing all the rest of my glitched Inquisitors did seem do the trick. Granted I'm still in Haven and still out 'exploring' and my game could still screw up and repeat itself but so far, so good. I suspected this because the previous two games separated saves by character and DA:I just crams them all in one folder. Seemed a little strange to me. I have no idea if that particular change could have so profound an effect, but it's looking like it did - at least for me.
Just throwing this out there.
The problem is not that theyre doign a beta test.. The problem, we have, is that its NECESSARY, and being done 4 months AFTER the official release! How can one defend this?
No, i will not sign up, as i think its a lost cause, and an attempt to save face.. This should have been done before official release, AND taken longer than it did, to release..
BW is not new to this.. They know the game was much bigger than theyd done.. And in doing so, should have anticipated problems, properly tested it, and worried mroe about the product, than squeezing it in for the 2014 season.. Clearly, there were no front runners for 2014 goty, it was an empty troth.. they were a shoe in, just by size, graphics, and name alone!Clearly!
will people be notified if they have been accepted or do we just have to keep trying the link and see if it works?
^This, where do we check?
^This, where do we check?
Click the link at the top of this post:
http://forum.bioware...atch-5-pc-beta/
The problem is not that theyre doign a beta test.. The problem, we have, is that its NECESSARY, and being done 4 months AFTER the official release! How can one defend this?
Um... they're Beta testing stuff that wasn't in the game on release. Kinda hard to test stuff that doesn't exist, don'cha think?
The problem is not that theyre doign a beta test.. The problem, we have, is that its NECESSARY, and being done 4 months AFTER the official release! How can one defend this?
No, i will not sign up, as i think its a lost cause, and an attempt to save face.. This should have been done before official release, AND taken longer than it did, to release..
BW is not new to this.. They know the game was much bigger than theyd done.. And in doing so, should have anticipated problems, properly tested it, and worried mroe about the product, than squeezing it in for the 2014 season.. Clearly, there were no front runners for 2014 goty, it was an empty troth.. they were a shoe in, just by size, graphics, and name alone!Clearly!
They are stuffing in more "content" not fixing things. This beta is for testing the new "content". Id defend this beta testing even if it is just mainly for the show, this is good. As for keyboard and mouse controls they gave up and tactical depth to combat was never intended (or they should start firing people if it was...) I cant do anything else but accept it as the fanboys say 
. Some breadcrumbs might come like this optional autoattack button thing. On the other hand the released game was beta tested too and then came this thread...
yeah, but at what point is not getting in more than just the permission list being updated as opposed to "stop it, you didn't get it doofus"
I know we were told it would take 'up to' 24hrs, but I'm starting to think its gonna take exactly that, if not more lol
Anyone got the patch running yet?
The problem is not that theyre doign a beta test.. The problem, we have, is that its NECESSARY, and being done 4 months AFTER the official release!
The patch was not released 4 months ago, so what you're saying doesn't make sense. This is not a beta test of DA:I, you're just claiming that it is... presumably to give yourself an excuse for raging about it?
How can one defend this?
There is nothing to defend. Closed beta testing of unreleased software is an accepted and voluntary practice.
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