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[Ainulindale]

 

Thank God for Bestheda/ Skyrim

Tastes are really different... TES Skyrim was The Disappointment of the Year for me, a Disappointment, that even DLC couldn't save.

A game (it doesn't matter, which game) is not a 500 bill to be liked by everybody.

[Xyxlplic]

They are not even actively responding to what I would consider very valuable Beta feedback....and THAT says a lot, doesn't it!

What it says to me is that you probably shouldn't have applied as you clearly don't have realistic expectations of how the process works. You won't automatically get a response to your individual feedback, and even if you do it may not be right away. The whole program has been running for - what - 24 hours or so? And you're ready to give up on it already.

 

Deary me.

[Dubya75]

What it says to me is that you probably shouldn't have applied as you clearly don't have realistic expectations of how the process works. You won't automatically get a response to your individual feedback, and even if you do it may not be right away. The whole program has been running for - what - 24 hours or so? And you're ready to give up on it already.

 

Deary me.

 

They are not doing as much as "liking" people's posts just so they would know it is noticed. So for all we know, it can easily go unnoticed.

 

Based on my experience with Bioware since the launch of DAI, yes, my faith in them is tainted.

They themselves create forums called "Feedback & Suggestions" but then they also state that they really don't spend any time reading posts on these forums.

 

Then I look at the Beta content and indeed, it is quite evident that they are NOT listening to "PC Community Concerns". And the stuff they do try to implement is either half-baked compromises, or a result of gross incompetence.

Features are slapped on without THEM even doing any initial testing. WTF.

 

So yes, I ABSOLUTELY will not waste my time Beta testing their stuff for them when I get the impression that my feedback and that of many others, is once going unnoticed and ignored. That is absolute bullshit!

 

There is no goodwill left towards Bioware as far as I'm concerned. 

 

I consider myself to be technically knowledgeable. I have tons of experience with Dragon Age games as well as many other 3rd person PC games that use similar mechanics. Apparently much more so than the actual developers Bioware employ.

I am able to provide them with actual valuable feedback to improve the mess they are making.

 

FFS, they allowed people into the Beta who can't even install the goddamn test game after being given extensive instructions!

How the hell do they expect to be productive like this?

 

I feel like I am trying to help a bunch of chimps do math. Absolute waste of time.

[Arne Saknussemm]

Boycott the opportunity for the insight we've been asking for, to give feedback that the fixes are what we've been asking for...?

 

/headscratch

As I said there will be no feedback listened to or fixes for anything. 

 

All that is being offered is a few things that should have been in the game on release....nothing new, nothing related to delivering the PC experience as promised.

 

There are none so blind....

[Solo80]

As I said there will be no feedback listened to or fixes for anything. 

 

Really? You know this after 24 hours of the beta process?

 

I swear, some people's only reason to come here seems to be to vent. No matter what Bioware tries to do, someone thinks it's the Worst Idea Ever™, just on principle. We asked to be more involved in the process, Bioware decides to let us in on an unreleased patch in order to get feedback before release - and this is wrong?

 

I humbly suggest that if you've got nothing constructive to add to the process, you find other ways of spending your time.

[FOE]

It's all tainted, "Dubya".  You've nailed it.  This attempt at communicating with the fans has been a poor job.  They were all full of vim and vigor and (mis)information right up until their deadline.  November 18th rings a bell.  Then there was radio silence for weeks/months.  Their coffers swelled with our money, they were patting themselves' on the back for getting the golden poo award....or any internutty-related "award".  MEANINGLESS.  You can't buy happiness, but you can buy awards...EA/Booware has slunk to new lows.

[FOE]

Solo80 or anyone can say that we're off of our rocker....but just look at the facts.  Stop being an apologist for a company that WAS.  Booware doesn't exist anymore.....not as you'd like to remember that once proud and forward-thinking company.  That's just a soulless shell of it's former self.  It HAD heart, but EA bleed it dry.  Then consumed the entire corpse.  Some fled and they're better for it.  WE ARE NOT.  WE are left with this $hitty game.

[voteDC]

Missed a few Bioware posts I see since reading this thread last. I appreciate that they've played the first two games a lot, which makes it doubly surprising to me that no-one noticed that people would miss the two alternate control schemes from them. What was it about Inquisition that made them so myopic about the control options.

As to the new patch beta. I'm glad they are continuing to work on adding back control options that were removed from the previous two games, but at the same time it just reinforces to me that Frostbite was the wrong engine for this game. Perhaps it is just me reading more into what is being said but it seems to me that they are finding it more trouble than it was worth.

[Randomguy]

Tastes are really different... TES Skyrim was The Disappointment of the Year for me, a Disappointment, that even DLC couldn't save.

A game (it doesn't matter, which game) is not a 500 bill to be liked by everybody.

 

Yeah, i still like Oblivion better. They added dragons (terrible fights as melee btw), snowy peaks,magic and leveling "system" is kinda revamped in Skyrim, Correcting: they changed the leveling system thats not a complete utter joke as it was before in ES games). Thats about it. I like dragons and snowy peaks so it is still awesome but there was no big innovation in it. Oblivion on steroids. Bioware (Laidlaw and Dararah?) failed big time copycating it tough. On so many levels.

[fchopin]

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You are breaking the NDA by posting on the beta so stop doing this as it is not allowed.

[wertysy]

You are breaking the NDA by posting on the beta so stop doing this as it is not allowed.

If anybody would care they would just delete their posts, but obviously nobody even reads this forum so whatever. And stfu with this NDA, it only depends on signer good will. What, will EaWare now put in jail 20 people from this forum?

[Xyxlplic]

They are not doing as much as "liking" people's posts just so they would know it is noticed. So for all we know, it can easily go unnoticed.

 

Based on my experience with Bioware since the launch of DAI, yes, my faith in them is tainted.

They themselves create forums called "Feedback & Suggestions" but then they also state that they really don't spend any time reading posts on these forums.

 

Then I look at the Beta content and indeed, it is quite evident that they are NOT listening to "PC Community Concerns". And the stuff they do try to implement is either half-baked compromises, or a result of gross incompetence.

Features are slapped on without THEM even doing any initial testing. WTF.

 

So yes, I ABSOLUTELY will not waste my time Beta testing their stuff for them when I get the impression that my feedback and that of many others, is once going unnoticed and ignored. That is absolute bullshit!

 

There is no goodwill left towards Bioware as far as I'm concerned. 

 

I consider myself to be technically knowledgeable. I have tons of experience with Dragon Age games as well as many other 3rd person PC games that use similar mechanics. Apparently much more so than the actual developers Bioware employ.

I am able to provide them with actual valuable feedback to improve the mess they are making.

 

FFS, they allowed people into the Beta who can't even install the goddamn test game after being given extensive instructions!

How the hell do they expect to be productive like this?

 

I feel like I am trying to help a bunch of chimps do math. Absolute waste of time.

I think your anger and disappointment is clouding your judgement on this. 24 hours is in no way, shape, or form enough time to assess how a Beta test program will work out. It's barely enough time to test everything properly and give first feedback, let alone have the devs read ALL the feedback given, look into it for themselves, and come back with any proposed changes.

 

You should not be expecting individual feedback - not even a 'like'. I participate in new content testing for a couple of MMOs and you will rarely get a direct response to normal feedback - there simply isn't the need or the time to do this. What normally happens is that after a few days of testing and feedback there will be a composite response addressing ALL feedback and details on what changes will be made in the next patch to be tested.

 

And once again you are conflating 'not implementing' with 'not listening'. The two things are not the same.

[DragonsDream]

OK, last shooter that had no remapping LMB or RMB and not able to utilize thumb and scroll buttons?

um, every single shooter ever on consoles

 

This is a console game. The "PC version" is simple a bad port of a console game, where they took every button from a controller and replaced it with a keyboard button then set one joystick to the mouse and the other to 4 keys.

 

You can't remap because consoles can't remap. Since it can't be done on consoles, no code was ever written for it. It really isn't much more difficult than that.

[Brogan]

I humbly suggest that if you've got nothing constructive to add to the process, you find other ways of spending your time.

 

Been doing that since Nov. 18th, while waiting to play this game...  It's like being at a restaurant and ordering a drink, and 20 minutes later when it still hasn't arrived the waitress asks if there's anything else I wanted.

 

 

um, every single shooter ever on consoles

 

This is a console game. The "PC version" is simple a bad port of a console game, where they took every button from a controller and replaced it with a keyboard button then set one joystick to the mouse and the other to 4 keys.

 

You can't remap because consoles can't remap. Since it can't be done on consoles, no code was ever written for it. It really isn't much more difficult than that.

 

Pretty much.

[Brogan]

Feedback from Beta testers on Patch 5 is responded to very selectively. Mine has been completely ignored, even though I tried posting at a strategic time so the Canadians would be at work when I post.

 

No acknowledgement, no nothing.

 

Disappointing, indeed.

[Brogan]

What normally happens is that after a few days of testing and feedback there will be a composite response addressing ALL feedback and details on what changes will be made in the next patch to be tested.

 

Hope you're right...

[DarkAmaranth1966]

Considering the Beta forum is the only place we can openly discuss the new stuff, I'd rather they post what's up once every few days and spend their time actually working on things we find that need work than typing on the forum. Now we hear nothing all week, I'll begin to wonder but for now all good.

[KilrB]

I'm worried that a violation of the NDA would cause the violating player legal problems. That would really suck all around.

 

I'm more worried that such a violation is just the excuse they are hoping for so they can use it as an excuse to wash their hands of the mess they have created while claiming they tried to fix it.

[Diegofsv]

Well, from a guy that joined in a lot of beta a long the years (blizzard do this very well with D3) I can safely say that, most of the time, they DO get the feedback at the forums but they DONT respond everyone posting there....so I will say that, at least for now, keep a little faith. I do have a lot of doubts about bioware for a long time now, but a beta patch is a first for them, so lets at least hope that this will work. If not, we get back to our hate.

[DragonsDream]

I'm more worried that such a violation is just the excuse they are hoping for so they can use it as an excuse to wash their hands of the mess they have created while claiming they tried to fix it.

more likely they will simply remove the offending player from the beta program and if the person continues to post outside the beta forum about beta material, they will ban that person from the forums entirely. No need to go all lawyery on it

[Dubya75]

You are breaking the NDA by posting on the beta so stop doing this as it is not allowed.

 

Oh please, give me a break! I am not breaking NDA by saying I am beta testing. the beta program is not exactly a secret. I've also not given out ANY details that is not already public knowledge. 

[Sartoz]

Perhaps i have misread this, but a Beta? Shouldnt a Beta have been done last year way before release? Why now? It should not be called a beta..Maybe testers for huge patch..but not Beta test. 

 

And no I didn't apply because I would not sign an NDA for a patch.  Yes I have NDA on for other games I moderate, so an NDA in itself is not an issue. The issue is this is just a patch for an existing game that has been released for 3 months, and NDA for a patch is extreme and silly. If its so broken that a NDA needs to be signed, then admit the game was broken, you rushed production and bite the bullet.  Being responsible sometimes means pissing people off. Its not just my tagline, it's a way of life. Take responsibility for your actions.

I think the NDA is for the "new content" = DLC which is ready for Beta testing. So, why not kill two birds at once? Bundle it with Patch 5. This semi-public Beta will shake out the bugs of the DLC and hopefully from actual patch 5 fixes.

 

It is, however, disheartening to hear that the auto-attack feature is a fail.  It seems that their definition of auto-attack is to get a target lock on an enemy, while we press the "R" key.  A puzzling mindset, if true.

[Sartoz]

They are not even actively responding to what I would consider very valuable Beta feedback....and THAT says a lot, doesn't it!

Frankly, there is no need, except when they can't reproduce your "problem". Then, I'd wager they will contact you for specifics.

 

On the other hand, a simple ACK goes a long way.

[Sartoz]

Missed a few Bioware posts I see since reading this thread last. I appreciate that they've played the first two games a lot, which makes it doubly surprising to me that no-one noticed that people would miss the two alternate control schemes from them. What was it about Inquisition that made them so myopic about the control options.

As to the new patch beta. I'm glad they are continuing to work on adding back control options that were removed from the previous two games, but at the same time it just reinforces to me that Frostbite was the wrong engine for this game. Perhaps it is just me reading more into what is being said but it seems to me that they are finding it more trouble than it was worth.

Quite a number of people liked Skyrim. I wondered if they copied those KB+M controls?

[Dubya75]

I think your anger and disappointment is clouding your judgement on this. 24 hours is in no way, shape, or form enough time to assess how a Beta test program will work out. It's barely enough time to test everything properly and give first feedback, let alone have the devs read ALL the feedback given, look into it for themselves, and come back with any proposed changes.

 

You should not be expecting individual feedback - not even a 'like'. I participate in new content testing for a couple of MMOs and you will rarely get a direct response to normal feedback - there simply isn't the need or the time to do this. What normally happens is that after a few days of testing and feedback there will be a composite response addressing ALL feedback and details on what changes will be made in the next patch to be tested.

 

And once again you are conflating 'not implementing' with 'not listening'. The two things are not the same.

 

The thing is, some people DO get responses to posts made in the same thread I posted.

 

Am I disappointed? Hell, yes! 

 

Is my judgement clouded? Absolutely not!

 

When a game company making a AAA game for "PC" is unable to implement BASIC mouse button mappings 3 MONTHS AFTER RELEASE and still can't even include it in a bloody BETA, how the hell is my feedback of any consequence?

 

Nothing more than farts in the wind! 

 

No, my judgement is pretty clear on this and when this patch gets released and you apply it to your game, you will come to the same conclusion!