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[Sartoz]

They are not doing as much as "liking" people's posts just so they would know it is noticed. So for all we know, it can easily go unnoticed.

 

Based on my experience with Bioware since the launch of DAI, yes, my faith in them is tainted.

They themselves create forums called "Feedback & Suggestions" but then they also state that they really don't spend any time reading posts on these forums.

 

Then I look at the Beta content and indeed, it is quite evident that they are NOT listening to "PC Community Concerns". And the stuff they do try to implement is either half-baked compromises, or a result of gross incompetence.

Features are slapped on without THEM even doing any initial testing. WTF.

 

So yes, I ABSOLUTELY will not waste my time Beta testing their stuff for them when I get the impression that my feedback and that of many others, is once going unnoticed and ignored. That is absolute bullshit!

 

There is no goodwill left towards Bioware as far as I'm concerned. 

 

I consider myself to be technically knowledgeable. I have tons of experience with Dragon Age games as well as many other 3rd person PC games that use similar mechanics. Apparently much more so than the actual developers Bioware employ.

I am able to provide them with actual valuable feedback to improve the mess they are making.

 

FFS, they allowed people into the Beta who can't even install the goddamn test game after being given extensive instructions!

How the hell do they expect to be productive like this?

 

I feel like I am trying to help a bunch of chimps do math. Absolute waste of time.

With fewer resource now available to work on DAI, I think Bio will require some time to catalogue and prioritize the feedback data.

 

Rest assured that those Beta testers that provide detailed data will be given more scrutiny. And, if that helps them reproduce the problem in a repeatable way,  your future input will also be looked at with "trust".

 

Personally, I believe they are swamped with data which needs to be converted to information, before they can proceed.

[Dubya75]

Frankly, there is no need, except when they can't reproduce your "problem". Then, I'd wager they will contact you for specifics.

 

On the other hand, a simple ACK goes a long way.

 

We are doing their beta patch testing for them - FOR FREE!!! So actually, yes I would totally expect a little more courtesy from them than what we have been getting here.

Where the hell is the community manager? Where is the interaction? Oh I forgot, Bioware devs don't interact with us lowly peasants. Well then I guess they can test their own patches and continue making a mess with their developers who've never played a game with KB&M in their entire lives.

 

I too have a full-time job. I spent hours testing things and providing feedback IN MY FREE TIME!

I've had quite enough.

 

/slams the door on my way out

[KilrB]

I shall quote the many soldiers of the EA Chastiser and Support Cadres for your second part:  "No one who works at EA is responsible in any way, shape or form to its customers for anything at any time and it is your privilege to be even passingly spat on by one of the Enlightened Angels (see what I did there?) as they pass passingly by, so shut up you stupidhead. It's your own fault for buying any of the magnificent garbage they flog, so shut up again, stupidface."

 

So - worried about Mass Effect Next (don't call it '4', they get mad'n'shite when you do that, they stamp their little feets), are you?  Don't be! 

 

The same team that gave us the Four Million Time Winner of Ultimate Game In The History of Humanity and Huwomanity™ is working on it, using the same engine that has made Battlefield 4 the flawless, virtual reality-like experience it is today. 

 

Fortunately, ME4 will be a shooter, likely an Xbox exclusive (as the PC is a dying, virtually extinct platform), a mostly-multiplayer merciless fragfest (you have to pay writers. And for a shooter? Who does that? You nuts?) that has already won thirty-three hundred GOTY awards including four from the National Rifle Association, two from the NSA and one Presidential Medal of Freedom.

 

As they have very thoughtfully decided that DA:I DLC will be Xbox exclusive for a month (this is not a slap in the face, this is so they can carefully prepare the port for the PC and other platforms.  It is merely a convenience.), it is very likely ME4 will follow this pattern, or possibly the GTAV model of releasing a flawless port to the PC a year later.  Marketing genius.  GENIUS.

 

So, have no fear, thou over-entitled unwashed ignorant prole sac of whiny baby meat, ME4 will make your children smarter, yourself more virile and/or breasts larger/firmer and your children/pets more obedient, your parents will add an extra sexytimes room and jacuzzi to the basement and your beard will magically grow to cover your jaw and cheeks.

 

You're so lucky!

 

Darn it! Now I got's to shave so's I can get me a MAGIC beard ... much better than the one I got's now I bet.

[MisterMannIndy]

We are doing their beta patch testing for them - FOR FREE!!! So actually, yes I would totally expect a little more courtesy from them than what we have been getting here.

Where the hell is the community manager? Where is the interaction? Oh I forgot, Bioware devs don't interact with us lowly peasants. Well then I guess they can test their own patches and continue making a mess with their developers who've never played a game with KB&M in their entire lives.

 

I too have a full-time job. I spent hours testing things and providing feedback IN MY FREE TIME!

I've had quite enough.

 

/slams the door on my way out

Dub ... don't leave.  Your feedback on the beta site has been top notch.  Do I believe they've seen it?  Yeah.  Do I also believe it is hugely inconsiderate to not even "like" it in acknowledgment they've read it?  Absolutely!  

 

Unfortunately this is BooWare and that's how they operate.

 

They are definitely trying to make this game better for us PC Users.  The pace is nowhere near what we want, but without people like you providing the feedback you're providing ... well, you know where that leads.  Especially given many of the testers LOVE, LOVE, LOVE the patch - I think they mined their twitter feed for testers!

[DanteYoda]

You are breaking the NDA by posting on the beta so stop doing this as it is not allowed.

Seriously an NDA on a patch.... unbelievable.

 

If they worried less about NDA's and more about fixes things would be better in this game...

[Xyxlplic]

Unfortunately this is BooWare and that's how they operate.

No, it isn't. It's normal operating procedure for this kind of testing and feedback.

[megageeklizzy]

We are doing their beta patch testing for them - FOR FREE!!! So actually, yes I would totally expect a little more courtesy from them than what we have been getting here.

Where the hell is the community manager? Where is the interaction? Oh I forgot, Bioware devs don't interact with us lowly peasants. Well then I guess they can test their own patches and continue making a mess with their developers who've never played a game with KB&M in their entire lives.

 

I too have a full-time job. I spent hours testing things and providing feedback IN MY FREE TIME!

I've had quite enough.

 

/slams the door on my way out

You knew very well that you would be beta testing the patch for free when you signed up, and there is no real reason why you should have expected more interaction.  It seems to me that you are not only being incredibly immature, but also inconsiderate of what the developers are trying to do.  You want pity because you are getting early access to content the rest of us won't see for months, and it's pitiful.  It amazes me that some of the 'select' PC testers that they chose are people like you who feel entitled to having somebody pat you on the back for playing a video game.  Grow up.  I'd prefer that you didn't leave, as that would be one less person giving feedback on the patch, but if you can't be constructive, perhaps it is a good riddance.  I tried to civilly ask you all to be civil, but I'm really getting tired of your emotionally clouded rants.

[MJoshier]

whoa...so much hostility....I would just like to point out...Its a game ffs. AAA, or not....having won game awards or not...it's still just a game. Toodles!!!!

[Randomguy]

 

Make the game for consoles then substitute controller buttons with keyboard keys for PC version. No more function, no different functions. Actaully less functions. And im not even angry because of the entirety of the game is a solo mmo version of... an mmorpg. Maybe because the (still present yet cosidered fixed) banter bug makes impossible not to feel any other way (im happy for you if you didnt encounter this bug). I am the stupid **** because i stick around after the fifth patch is due and nothing changes but some ****** chest in your Garrison (wow referrence, look it up) *oops* Skyhold and a mirror leting you change your appearance if you **** it up at the character creation screen. Community managers are nonexistent or just dont give a ****, only the forum moderators.

[Errationatus]

Darn it! Now I got's to shave so's I can get me a MAGIC beard ... much better than the one I got's now I bet.

Obey The Beard!

[voteDC]

Quite a number of people liked Skyrim. I wondered if they copied those KB+M controls?

The control scheme in Inquisition is pretty much one of the options from Origins and DAII. Move with WASD and hold down RMB to move the camera.

Some minor differences are there but it is pretty much the same thing. The thing is for me, and I'm guessing many of the people in this thread, I never played using that scheme.

I played by holding down LMB+RMB to move with click to move for looting and setting characters to attack.

So it's not really Bioware copying another game's control scheme. Rather it is Bioware removing two of their own.

[Brogan]

It seems to me that you are not only being incredibly immature...

 

Sorry, but those of us who have been here a while and know a little about their fellow posters (such as Dubya) can't be expected to take you seriously.  Are you in the beta forum, reading along with his posts?  Have you taken part, with your 4 other total posts?

 

With all due respect, either read up in this thread and get some background info, or take your accusations elsewhere.

[Brogan]

The control scheme in Inquisition is pretty much one of the options from Origins and DAII. Move with WASD and hold down RMB to move the camera.

Some minor differences are there but it is pretty much the same thing. The thing is for me, and I'm guessing many of the people in this thread, I never played using that scheme.

I played by holding down LMB+RMB to move with click to move for looting and setting characters to attack.

So it's not really Bioware copying another game's control scheme. Rather it is Bioware removing two of their own.

 

This is going back to the discussions during and after release in Nov.....  but that ^^ is even more damning on Bio's part regarding the choices they made.

 

RMB still does exactly what it did in the previous games.  If they simply programmed the LMB for the same function (W or move fwd), it'd be perfect!

 

But instead, in DAI, holding LMB down now along with RMB does this:

 

 

What kind of an idiot makes the decision to remove an entire navigational option for a useless function nobody asked for?

[Morroian]

Then I look at the Beta content and indeed, it is quite evident that they are NOT listening to "PC Community Concerns". And the stuff they do try to implement is either half-baked compromises, or a result of gross incompetence.

Features are slapped on without THEM even doing any initial testing. WTF.

 

Its beginning to sound to me like this isnt even beta testing but more like alpha testing.

[DarkAmaranth1966]

Its beginning to sound to me like this isnt even beta testing but more like alpha testing.

Definitely BETA, the stuff we're testing is NOT in Alpha state, I'd say mid beta state actually. (all working and mostly working right.) Of course there are a few things needing attention but, that's why we beta test, to find those things.

[Randomguy]

Definitely BETA, the stuff we're testing is NOT in Alpha state, I'd say mid beta state actually. (all working and mostly working right.) Of course there are a few things needing attention but, that's why we beta test, to find those things.

 

Did you find the detailed tactics and the proper mouse+keyboard control to it? Nope? Ok.

[DarkAmaranth1966]

Did you find the detailed tactics and the proper mouse+keyboard control to it? Nope? Ok.

Can't answer that, NDA you know.

[Reverend1313]

Kinda feels like Alpha to me when you dont have basic PC controls in like being able to bind mouse buttons. One would think KB/M controls being the platforms only constant contol scheme it would have gotten the appropriate attention before LAUNCH!

[megageeklizzy]

Sorry, but those of us who have been here a while and know a little about their fellow posters (such as Dubya) can't be expected to take you seriously.  Are you in the beta forum, reading along with his posts?  Have you taken part, with your 4 other total posts?

 

With all due respect, either read up in this thread and get some background info, or take your accusations elsewhere.

I have actually read the last ten pages or so of this thread.  I don't know anything about the people here, true, but I just don't see how any of this is productive.  Considering the large amount of rants and other emotionally charged debate (to which I am ashamed to be contributing), it's no wonder Bioware doesn't read the posts here.  I am truly not trying to offend, but as a fledgeling game designer, threads like this make me feel bad for the developers.  I don't agree with a lot that Bioware has done lately, but that doesn't mean I'm going to continually post how much I despise the game or complain about how the patch doesn't fix every issue I was hoping it would fix.  

I am truly sorry if I have offended you or your friends, but what I have said is not nearly as offensive as much of what is being directed at Bioware. Given the number of likes I've gotten on my comments, I'm not the only one who feels as I do.  However, trying to be pragmatic cannot solve any problems if the only other people speaking have already decided that insults are within the social protocol of the situation, and perhaps it is best that I leave with my 5 little posts and never come back, lest I bring the wrath of emotional gamers upon myself.

[TheOrangeProject]

This is going back to the discussions during and after release in Nov.....  but that ^^ is even more damning on Bio's part regarding the choices they made.

 

RMB still does exactly what it did in the previous games.  If they simply programmed the LMB for the same function (W or move fwd), it'd be perfect!

 

But instead, in DAI, holding LMB down now along with RMB does this:

 

 

What kind of an idiot makes the decision to remove an entire navigational option for a useless function nobody asked for?

 

Just signed in to comment on this post. Excalty what I was looking for. Nailed it.

 

Just imaging the following situation: Germany - or whoever you want - is producing and selling cars for around 15 years, with some basic funtions. The gas pedals are the same place and so are the breaks. With their next fancy car, they do something else, switching the breaks with the gas pedals. What is going to happen? 

 

I played nearly 300 hours of Dragon Age 1+2. Countless hours of Baldurs Gate and NWN1 and a bit of 2. So now I play DA:I. What will happen? Well yeah.

 

There is no good reason for that "feature". 

 

I played the game for around 1 hour and stopped after getting annoyed from that and will stay away from it for some time again.

 

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(Tactical Overview needs some...adjustment. I am actually see more with the Dragon Age 2-like view in DA:I. But I guess that others have that said already  )

[Brogan]

I have actually read the last ten pages or so of this thread.  I don't know anything about the people here, true, but I just don't see how any of this is productive.  Considering the large amount of rants and other emotionally charged debate (to which I am ashamed to be contributing), it's no wonder Bioware doesn't read the posts here.  I am truly not trying to offend, but as a fledgeling game designer, threads like this make me feel bad for the developers.  I don't agree with a lot that Bioware has done lately, but that doesn't mean I'm going to continually post how much I despise the game or complain about how the patch doesn't fix every issue I was hoping it would fix.  
I am truly sorry if I have offended you or your friends, but what I have said is not nearly as offensive as much of what is being directed at Bioware. Given the number of likes I've gotten on my comments, I'm not the only one who feels as I do.  However, trying to be pragmatic cannot solve any problems if the only other people speaking have already decided that insults are within the social protocol of the situation, and perhaps it is best that I leave with my 5 little posts and never come back, lest I bring the wrath of emotional gamers upon myself.

No, what's best is that you not worry about bringing in new or pointing out existing drama and emotion in a thread that's been through and done with that phase for months. That was early December.

The majority of people using this thread are doing so because they are waiting for info. Waiting for word of something hopeful so they can get back to playing the game. The emotion you see in here is residual and for some, cathartic.

[Jackal19851111]

I do not get the hate for the beta program - its what many of us have asked for!

And it doesn't jeopardise other players experience - it only improves on it.

 

As for the auto-attack failing, seriously they need to lock the team in a room and force them to play DA2/DAO using KB+M

They just need to add the tac cam functionalities (auto-attack/click to move/interact) into the action cam.

 

How does auto-attack beta work without click to move anyway?

Regardless I'm glad at least several members here are in the beta, I missed the window earlier to join due to work, so I hope you guys can guide them to fixing this console port.

[Sartoz]

The control scheme in Inquisition is pretty much one of the options from Origins and DAII. Move with WASD and hold down RMB to move the camera.

Some minor differences are there but it is pretty much the same thing. The thing is for me, and I'm guessing many of the people in this thread, I never played using that scheme.

I played by holding down LMB+RMB to move with click to move for looting and setting characters to attack.

So it's not really Bioware copying another game's control scheme. Rather it is Bioware removing two of their own.

Really?

I came off playing DAO and DA2 just before I installed DAI.

 

The KB and Mouse controls were simply not there with DAI.  I had a hell of a time understandding "what was wromg with me?". It is a PC game after all... that is, until I understood that the KB+M controls were changed. drastically, I might add.

[Hexoduen]

... They are definitely trying to make this game better for us PC Users.  The pace is nowhere near what we want, but without people like you providing the feedback you're providing ... well, you know where that leads.  Especially given many of the testers LOVE, LOVE, LOVE the patch - I think they mined their twitter feed for testers!

 

I'm one of those that LOVE LOVE LOVE certain features of the coming patch. It's not perfect, it's not done, but I do belive the beta plays better for me as a PC user than previous versions of Inquisition.

[Sartoz]

That's it. My suitcase is packed and on Saturday off I go to Costa Rica...

 

I hope things will progress for the better while I'm away.

 

 

See you guys in a week