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[CatatonicMan]

I believe Bioware is doing the best they can under the given circumstances.

 

I'm sure they are. Still not sure whether that's a positive or a negative, though.

 

I'd have more sympathy if the circumstances weren't of their own making.

[Wbino]

http://www.frostbite...ostbite-engine/

[KilrB]

http://www.frostbite...ostbite-engine/

 

WARNING!

 

Hip waders, wheelbarrow, big shovel, and a clothespin required to read this load 'a ...

[Shelled]

http://www.frostbite...ostbite-engine/

 

Look what I found "We wanted to develop Inquisition for the new consoles first and foremost"

Finding our match, paragraph 4

Made by pc gamers, for pc gamers? 

[CatatonicMan]

Made by pc gamers, for pc gamers. Hahahahahahahahaha.

 

"Made by [two or more persons who have played at least one game on a PC], for [two or more persons who have played at least one game on a PC]."

 

It's technically correct. The best kind of correct.

[line_genrou]

Made by pc gamers, for pc gamers? 

 

 

This was the ultimate troll move from Bioware

Seriously, wtf

they should have just stayed quiet about it and save their reputation

[Shelled]

This was the ultimate troll move from Bioware

Seriously, wtf

they should have just stayed quiet about it and save their reputation

We would have figured it out anyway, its not like its hard to see that its a bad port. The u.i alone is a dead giveaway (among dozens of other things). But yeah opening their breathing holes was never a good idea. Lying to your core fan base who made the company what it is, is kind of a bad idea. Then again the majority of people who made bioware special in the first place don't work there anymore so I'm not sure why we should care on PC platform anyway. All they have proven is that they don't give a crap about pc platform or decent game design after this and dragon age 2. These aren't sequels to origins, this is just bs at this point.

My respect level for this company has been reduced to 0. We all truly gave them a chance to redeem themselves with inquisition. They failed. Life moves on, just not with bioware. They can throw any amount of patches at this game to improve the u.i and tactical mode and the dumb as hell a.i but in the end its not going to change how awful these big empty fetch maps are and how utterly terrible the main campaign is. It would take too many resources to get this game where it needs to be, which is another year or two back in development.

Not 1 interesting side quest or sub-plot in this game on these stupid maps man. Not 1. I know this game isn't going to improve much at this point. I guess I feel compelled to drill it into these peoples heads (whoever worked on this crappy game) about how much they F'd this franchise up. It could have been a glorious run for bioware but my god the level of incompetence and lack of effort after origins is absolutely infuriating.

At this point I just want them to stop using the dragon age name for their crappy cash grab endeavors and at least have some dignity to make a new franchise/ip when they have no intention of making a true sequel to origins. They aren't capable of making a proper sequel. They don't have the talent for it.

[Morty Smith]

Also take this for a read, might help you folks some: http://kotaku.com/fi...unti-1687510871

 

Making games is hard, beeing honest trying to sell them is harder.

[Brogan]

Look what I found "We wanted to develop Inquisition for the new consoles first and foremost"

Finding our match, paragraph 4

Made by pc gamers, for pc gamers? 

 

Can't believe we didn't notice this in August...

 

Of course back then, we as a PC community had no idea how bad the end result of this "gamble" (yea, there was no corporate mandate, my ass) would turn out.  There was no reason to look up info on Frostbite3 because Battlefield 4 was [by then] running great with no obvious issues that might transfer over to different titles.

 

We had no idea how much would be hidden from us throughout their pre-launch campaign.

 

Such a disappointment...

[DavianBurke]

Shelled, 

I care about the emporium. Unless patch 3 or 4 will cause my game to crash (a real possibility) the only thing preventing me from playing my game can be fixed with the emporium... my voice.

 

Do I think the controls and UI are trash? Sure do, yep. 

Yet I'm going to complete this game once, and then done. No desire to play again. Too much fluff, not enough substance for more than once playthrough. I can handle the lousy controls for my last third of the game.

Now, that said, I still hope they do fix their garbage control scheme and UI for those of you that are waiting for that so you can enjoy the game. I really do. 

Just don't go assuming that the Emporium doesn't have the ability to fix complains many of us have as well (scar issues, skin/age issues, hair or model issues... voice issues). It has a lot of utility for many of the more minor issues. 

[Shelled]

I just don't give a crap about appearance change. It's an insignificant feature compared to other problems that are far more important like:

1. Various Tactical mode improvements. Sequencing multiple commands, tilt control, not being stuck to world mesh.
2. The U.i and sub-menus

3. The controls
4. The possibility of actual content other than fetch tasks
5. Game stability
6. Further a.i customization on the level of origins/da2

The only thing the emporium does that is a real improvement is that it adds items/materials you can buy, so you can't be screwed by the games crappy RNG design in single player anymore. That's a real actual improvement that I will acknowledge. This appearance crap is a waste of time though. The patch is going to help the game sure, but its nothing in comparison to where the game needs to be or what should be taking priority.

It pisses me off because they won't ever improve the tactical mode in a significant way. They will just play the artistic integrity card, like this really crappy game design is something to be proud of. 

Sorry if I seem hostile but I don't even think a majority consensus even asked for an appearance changer to be in the game so why something like that is taking priority really pisses me off when compared to these other problems that people have been begging to be improved since this god damn thread started!

I'm tired of this ****. I'm tired of biowares incompetence. What you are referring to are just bugs, I've never experienced those but if they exist they should fix them but not by wasting time on an appearance changer when we've got bigger problems.

[DragonsDream]

Also take this for a read, might help you folks some: http://kotaku.com/fi...unti-1687510871

The general take away from this is: don't be an angry a-hole when giving criticism. Probably a good lesson for life in general and could apply to a lot of posters here.

[Bethgael]

Did you join the Beta test, dear Bethgael? I wasn't able to follow the forum for two weeks, except for some brief moments in the Pc players group and there, so, I'm a little disconnected. Can you disclose the terms of the non disclosure agreement?

 

Most lawyers never think of that one.

 

I did, and am still testing, planning on giving full feedback later in the week--I had TCStormus Interruptus over the weekend (Marcia, Marcia, Marcia!). Depp and Co. landed in Qld to start filming POTC5 (spoiler alert: including our dear Cullen V/O actor), Rockhampton had a 5.2 minor quake (because the earth always moves when Depp lands) and clearly they forgot to leave the kraken at home. I've been cleaning up mould this week (and doing stupid paid work, damn that rent and food requirement) instead of gaming.

And, basically, re the NDA: it's "if you're testing, don't discuss the gritty details until it's released, please. Also, if your 'puter breaks, your bad, no liability here." Pretty standard.

[Shelled]

The general take away from this is: don't be an angry a-hole when giving criticism. Probably a good lesson for life in general and could apply to a lot of posters here.

I'll pass. Game development is always different on each project you work on. The guy talks about textures and rendering but they assign those jobs specifically to graphic artists. That has nothing to do with directing. That's like one of the lowest positions available when doing a triple-a game. I think WoW had something like 100 graphic artists working on it at one point. They come and go all the time. All of that isn't new to me.

I'm not unfamiliar when it comes to the hardships of game design. It takes time. They had all that time and nobody brought up the fact that the game was devoid of interesting side-content, that they were developing it mainly for consoles instead of pc and a number of interfaces and designs suffered because of that, that the damp was a tacked on buggy mess that only just recently actually became playable after 3 months?

And I am supposed to feel guilty for bashing the living crap out of them? 
 

I'll laugh myself to sleep tonight. Thanks for that.

[DragonsDream]

"bashing the living crap out of" actual human beings because you don't like a game they made. Yeah sure. Sleep well.

[Randomguy]

http://www.frostbite...ostbite-engine/

 

"We faced the significant challenge of developing a game that would target the old and new generations of game consoles. We wanted to develop Inquisition for the new consoles first and foremost, and the scalability of the engine let us get as much as we could out of the previous generation while still providing a gameplay experience on par with the new generation’s offerings."

 

There are no pc or computer words in that blog. Its all about the consoles and what a a console makes a console because consoles and of course you cant forget the consoles but mainly the consoles, you know the consoles, new oldgen consoles, but dont forget the consoles. By the way made bye pc gamers for pc gamers consoles!

 

Rpg developed for Xbox and PS foremost, no wonder this turned out to be this piece of lazy casualjunk , especially worthless for PC...

[ncbevan]

Randomguy - isn't this the way most big developers have been going for quite some time though? To an extent they can't be blamed for developing for console, dumbing down etc because that seems to be where to money is. Everyone's at it. I've been an Elder Scrolls fan for more than a decade, and while Skyrim was undeniably a great achievement, it had it's RPG elements striped out and simplified and was basically made for a 14 year old with an xbox to enjoy. Because that's gaming companies target audience these days.

[Randomguy]

Randomguy - isn't this the way most big developers have been going for quite some time though? To an extent they can't be blamed for developing for console, dumbing down etc because that seems to be where to money is. Everyone's at it. I've been an Elder Scrolls fan for more than a decade, and while Skyrim was undeniably a great achievement, it had it's RPG elements striped out and simplified and was basically made for a 14 year old with an xbox to enjoy. Because that's gaming companies target audience these days.

 

Yeah, thats the way for success nowadays, striping complexity leads to achievement. Im angry because this franchise went down the drain mimicking skyrim which was already hardly an rpg. They can be and will be blamed in form of not buying more of their bullshit.

[Ashen Nedra]

Yeah, thats the way for success nowadays, striping complexity leads to achievement. Im angry because this franchise went down the drain mimicking skyrim which was already hardly an rpg. They can be and will be blamed in form of not buying more of their bullshit.

 

 

Success?  Having to basically redo a whole version of a AAA game and try (again, after ME3) to restore brand image and value by asking the community for help, five months after release, is not my definition of a successful launch.

[Dubya75]

Funny thing, mouse buttons are rebindable in BF4, that's like, the first frostbite 3 game ever. Maybe Bioware should pay Dice a visit, to see how it's done.

 

My point exactly! People keep apologizing for Bioware because this is their first crack at Frostbite 3. But how does that compute when they themselves were jibbering about working DIRECTLY with DICE on the project.

 

For that reason, I have absolutely ZERO sympathy or understanding for Bioware's "attempts". They failed, for whatever reason. Simple as that.

[Dubya75]

"bashing the living crap out of" actual human beings because you don't like a game they made. Yeah sure. Sleep well.

 

No. This is BUSINESS. When you are sold a product that does not live up to how it was advertised to you, the guilty party is the vendor, NOT the customer. 

And having INTENTIONALLY sold the customer a lie in order to make the sale, they deserve whatever is coming their way - INCLUDING irate customers. Especially irate customers.

 

 

You cry about them being "human beings". Well, we are human beings too and we were deceived by....you guess it: HUMAN BEINGS!

[Randomguy]

Success?  Having to basically redo a whole version of a AAA game and try (again, after ME3) to restore brand image and value by asking the community for help, five months after release, is not my definition of a successful launch.

 

I give you the famous Kevin Spacey look:

 

I meant Skyrim was a success. (I hardly understand that given how much it is the same as Oblivion. And Oblivion was not this popular.)

[rothe321]

We would have figured it out anyway, its not like its hard to see that its a bad port. The u.i alone is a dead giveaway (among dozens of other things). But yeah opening their breathing holes was never a good idea. Lying to your core fan base who made the company what it is, is kind of a bad idea. Then again the majority of people who made bioware special in the first place don't work there anymore so I'm not sure why we should care on PC platform anyway. All they have proven is that they don't give a crap about pc platform or decent game design after this and dragon age 2. These aren't sequels to origins, this is just bs at this point.

My respect level for this company has been reduced to 0. We all truly gave them a chance to redeem themselves with inquisition. They failed. Life moves on, just not with bioware. They can throw any amount of patches at this game to improve the u.i and tactical mode and the dumb as hell a.i but in the end its not going to change how awful these big empty fetch maps are and how utterly terrible the main campaign is. It would take too many resources to get this game where it needs to be, which is another year or two back in development.

Not 1 interesting side quest or sub-plot in this game on these stupid maps man. Not 1. I know this game isn't going to improve much at this point. I guess I feel compelled to drill it into these peoples heads (whoever worked on this crappy game) about how much they F'd this franchise up. It could have been a glorious run for bioware but my god the level of incompetence and lack of effort after origins is absolutely infuriating.

At this point I just want them to stop using the dragon age name for their crappy cash grab endeavors and at least have some dignity to make a new franchise/ip when they have no intention of making a true sequel to origins. They aren't capable of making a proper sequel. They don't have the talent for it.

I completely agree, the love I had when I first played DA:O was on a higher level then this dumbed down empty space game that is hardly capable of being played on PC.

[TobyJake]

I have just watched The Elder Scrolls Online videos. I would like to find the turkey who vandalized the elves in DA2 and DAI. They look sooo scrawny!

Why can't we have elves that look like ESO ones? It's probably the person who set up all the romance options.

/disgusted noise

 

edit: It is so jarring to think that some scrawny, oppressed elf is going to be asked to lead the Inquisition. It beggars belief.

 

They are supposed to be shorter, but lithe and athletic AND beautiful!! Not starved and malnourished.

 

/end of rant!

[Jirec]

That really depends on the opinion; some are legitimately stupid.

 

By your opinion still, I'm sure not all of mankind would think those people to be stupid, especially the person in question. Can't have an "all right by all" opinion when there are others who think you're wrong. That's how opinions are, none of it can be said to be right by all of us. Bioware even brings that message in their games.

 

Five Thing I Didn't Get About Making Video Games (Until I Did It)

 

Nice read.

 

Are you trying to tell us that NONE of the people who worked on DA:I had ever worked on a video game before?

 

 ... that would certainly explain a lot.

 

Heh, funny... Denial to what was said, because it's true to you?

 

 

 

Also, if you can't show kindness and respect to them (even if they failed you by your opinion), why should they to you? That's probably on reason why this communication between players are developers are so cut off and can be misreading. On paper it probably looked good that it'd perhaps please us, in a way console players got handed in things PC players wanted; they brought back tactical camera, gave us limiting healing and abilities that focus heavily on tactical play. Whatever the execution, they had that in mind still.

 

They may or may not have known it'd receive this... Feedback... But I'm sure they didn't want to make us angry on purpose. Things get cut and overlooked, we're all human beings with limits that make tons of "mistakes" (still an opinion). We ain't perfect working AI's, we get sick, we get tired and more, all the reasons why things may get delayed/overlooked (especially when there's a "deadline" that needs to be hit).

 

I still agree that PC controls could be better, I love Dragon Age: Origins as my favourite game! But even if I don't agree fully on all the changes made in Dragon Age: Inquisition, I still respect them for trying and for the success it have received from many, many other players. I'm happy that Dragon Age still lives on, even with it's faults, it bring so much to the table (IMO).

 

 

 

But go on with whatever you want, I'm just saying this in kindness to you all. Take it as you wish.