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[DisturbedJim83]

Put your controller sympathy away please. Keyboard and mouse is vastly superior, its one of the reasons we prefer to play on PC. Go win a starcraft 2 tournament with a controller if you think its even remotely capable of competing against that level of superior controls. 

The only single thing a controller has that a keyboard and mouse doesn't is a rumble effect and that would F my sensitive 2800 DPI speed that I use for my mouse anyway, assuming they ever try to make a rumble mouse lmao you wouldn't be able to even control it if it had rumble. That's the difference between your crappy controller and my keyboard/mouse. Not to mention the auto-targeting helper that a controller has, almost puking all over myself just thinking about it.

 I add my own behold:

 

[Elhanan]

Found this in another thread; seemed to apply a little here:

I thought about adding those. Hell, I'll just do it now. Not all of them, just the QA ones. Thanks, Dragon!


Derek Hollan @Derek_Hollan


Just so you know, I can never comment directly about a bug. Also, QA does not fix bugs. We investigate and file them.


Derek Hollan @Derek_Hollan


Also, it is not QA's decision which bugs get priority for fixing.


Derek Hollan @Derek_Hollan


In effect, seeing a bug does not mean QA missed it.

[Randomguy]

Found this in another thread; seemed to apply a little here:
 

 

Thanks for the heads up! This is exactly as useful information as i would expect from you!

[KilrB]

Found this in another thread; seemed to apply a little here:
 

 

Sorry ... NO

 

Reminding us how QA should work does nothing towards apprising us on whether or not they did their job on DA:I, nor does it in any way excuse those to whom they may (or may not) have reported their findings.

[Brogan]

....but we should stop with the personal attacks, nothing good will come from it.

 

Since the people most of the personal attacks have been directed at (the lead designers) likely never read this thread to begin with and have almost surely moved on to work on ME4 ... it's hard to imagine anything bad will come of it either.

 

(as long as people don't break the forum rules)

[Elhanan]

Sorry ... NO
 
Reminding us how QA should work does nothing towards apprising us on whether or not they did their job on DA:I, nor does it in any way excuse those to whom they may (or may not) have reported their findings.

So things that do not get fixed as one wants in this current Beta falls on the shoulders of those that participated? Good to know....

As for reality, hope the gaming Mouse re-mapping does get patched soon, as such gaming equipment is expensive, and should be able to be utilized efficiently. While I am good with the basic set-up, it would be irritating to have better gear and not be able to use it any better than a default mouse.

[Solo80]

Put your controller sympathy away please. Keyboard and mouse is vastly superior, its one of the reasons we prefer to play on PC. Go win a starcraft 2 tournament with a controller if you think its even remotely capable of competing against that level of superior controls. 

 

You know what's cool about my controller? I'm able to disconnect it when I want to play Starcraft 2. Or Diablo 3. Or DOTA. Or an FPS. All it does is add another option for how I want to play a game. It's sure come in handy with DA:I.

 

You can't possibly provide THAT as a solution....unless you are a console gamer. Yes, that would explain it.

 

Nope. Haven't owned a console in my entire life. And I'm as old as the trees (there's a hint in my nick). Never owned a Sega or a Nintendo growing up. Haven't owned a single Playstation and certainly not an XBox. Been a PC gamer exclusively my entire life - and this is my point: Being a PC gamer isn't about how we control our games. It's about flexibility in our setup, the freedom of choice, and, of course, superior graphics. Preferring to play some games with a controller makes me a console gamer the same preferring to play some games with a HOTAS-setup makes me a pilot.

 

That would certainly solve the problem, in the same way that surrender "solves" a war.

"Stop caring. Lower you standards. Don't question what you're given. Accept mediocrity." Are these really the qualities we should be aiming for?

 

You seem to be under the impression that I've thrown away my keyboard, and that I'm now forced to do everything with a controller. It's a USB connection, not super glue. All I've done is add another option to how I'm able to play games - and that's the beauty of being a PC gamer. The freedom to choose. I don't see how adding an alternative control set is lowering my standards.

 

Some games are best played with a joystick HOTAS-setup. Some games are best played with a steering wheel. Some games are best played with a controller. Insisting on playing those games with a keyboard/mouse-setup doesn't make you more of a PC gamer, it just makes you less able to enjoy those games as they're meant to be enjoyed.

[Hexoduen]

*snip*  it just makes you less able to enjoy those games as they're meant to be enjoyed.

 

If Inquisition was meant to be enjoyed with a controller on PC, which was not the case for Origins and DA2, it should have had a big warning sign posted on the front saying: "NOTICE: TO BE PLAYED USING A CONTROLLER".

 

Of course had this happened I would not have bought the game, and so I've been complaining as a customer since November 18th.

 

Sticking your head in here telling us to buy a controller is a big %&#! you sign to us all

[Elhanan]

If Inquisition was meant to be enjoyed with a controller on PC, which was not the case for Origins and DA2, it should have had a big warning sign posted on the front saying: "NOTICE: TO BE PLAYED USING A CONTROLLER".
 
Of course had this happened I would not have bought the game, and so I've been complaining as a customer since November 18th.
 
Sticking your head in here telling us to buy a controller is a big %&#! you sign to us all

I believe it is simply another option; still have not heard if Shield and like systems also have such problems.

Personally, cannot use a controller, and do not see this as a viable option for this Player.

[Randomguy]

Youve been advertised an rpg with in depth tactical combat very close to its origins (Actually Origins ) with similar if not identical control scheme and in the end you get a hacknslash action game feeling more comfortable with a controller. Everything about combat stinks of the limitations of a controller even if you plug your far more superior mouse and keyboard into the computer, which is btw far better suited for rpg-s. Well... For other rpg-s.

 

So! Dear PC gamers! Sola80 asks you what your problem is. Would one of you tell him/her?...

 

Thats right! Get out and buy a damn controller and dont you cry for a fix because nothing is broken!

 

Edit: No, sorry i need to add! xD An R.P.G. wants me to buy a controller to play it? Seriously. Think it through.

Modifié par Randomguy, 24 février 2015 - 08:27 .

[Dubya75]

Hopefully, that says as much to the dev's taking part in the beta as the feedback I know you guys have been giving in there has.

 

Was it Dubya that mentioned he thought this patch would be Bio's last for this game?  I really hope that is not the case....

 

Yeah it was me. But I'm not basing my suspicion on any information I may or may not have...it's just an impression I am getting. 

Developers will very typically abandon any patching as soon as the game runs stable and any gamebreaking quest bugs are fixed. 

The trick is trying to include as much as possible with that patch.

 

So perhaps we should hope for a patch that break more stuff than it fixes that necessitates another patch. Maybe THEN they may include the stuff we've been asking for.

But in all honesty, if a developer such as Bioware still has not succeeded in fixing the game for PC, is it realistic to hope that it will ever happen? That they even intend to improve it? Dunno...

[Elhanan]

Point and Click is available, but only on Tac-Cam, and it can work like the previous games. Also, the prior games also seem to have the same or similar controls as DAI, but many seemed to prefer P&C which is not available in Action mode.

Controller is not needed, but may help those with some issues. It is not an option for myself; nor many other PC Players as I can tell, but it is an option.

[Randomguy]

Point and Click is available, but only on Tac-Cam, and it can work like the previous games. Also, the prior games also seem to have the same or similar controls as DAI, but many seemed to prefer P&C which is not available in Action mode.

Controller is not needed, but may help those with some issues. It is not an option for myself; nor many other PC Players as I can tell, but it is an option.

 

I am sorry, you cant comprehend the problem. You are saying facts except the conrols being the same but you just cant get the pieces together. I wonder if you can grasp why your action bar is limited to 8 abilites as a consequence of the problem.

[Hexoduen]

Point and Click is available, but only on Tac-Cam, and it can work like the previous games. Also, the prior games also seem to have the same or similar controls as DAI, but many seemed to prefer P&C which is not available in Action mode.

Controller is not needed, but may help those with some issues. It is not an option for myself; nor many other PC Players as I can tell, but it is an option.

 

Elhanan I'm glad for you that Inquisition can be played with a mouse and keyboard, but saying the prior games have similar controls as DAI is simply not true.

 

Can you move your character around in the tac cam using your keyboard? In Origins I could run around in the the tac cam using WASD, and then navigate the camera with mouse on screen edge. In Inquisition I can do neither If you're able to do this please let me know how.

[Jirec]

Why the anger?

 

What do you feel when you are lied to, deceived, conned, taken advantage of, defrauded, etc., etc.?

 

Disappointed? That's it ... disappointed?

 

Ah, but yourself and EAware have very different interpretations of "lie" and "deceive" than we do.

 

Maybe this will help:

 

http://www.merriam-w.../dictionary/lie

 

http://www.merriam-w...tionary/deceive

 

Now go check out all those promotional videos, dev blogs, etc. again.

 

Do you see it now?

 

The "other side of the coin" knew EXACTLY what they were doing. (check those definitions again)

 

I agree that getting mad and attacking them doesn't help, but it is cathartic for some.

 

So it's about me now, how I felt? What's up with that targeting...

 

I never felt I was lied to, deceived, conned, taken advantage of, defrauded, etc... Where would you even get the idea? I said I was disappointed that it didn't turn up exactly the way I thought it would (and why would it?), I did have an idea on how the product would turn out to be, though also knowing it wouldn't be true. But I can dream and I love doing that.

 

But where was that lie? They ain't lying to me with that statement saying "By PC gamers for PC gamers" or any others of theirs, I take it as their opinion and don't go on about it as the ultimate truth. I'd have to play it myself to be fully certain, because you can't never really know. What people say comes from their experience and opinions, that's not a lie just because it doesn't hold true to what you believe. A more clear cut lie would be if I said that I was 14 year old girl...

 

 

 

Well I also kept track of the game and saw that clip and some others when the game was under development way back in the days. You see and hear they say they want to focus on the new consoles, yeah I remember people being concerned not seeing enough PC gameplay back then even. But this still doesn't say they didn't have the PC players in mind.

 

Dunno where you're going with this, there it seems like they're even being honest on what they were focusing on. Or what?

 

 

 

And if people would feel good about attacking others, what does that say? There has to better ways to let out of that anger than to blame other peoples who just created their own game. That anger is probably built up by something else in real life or so.

 

And what about those on the receiving end? What could that cause? More anger perhaps? Bad circle it could be...

 

 

 

Edit: Though I see now that this might just go a bit off topic... Heh dunno. I still can't wait for this to be fixed! Cheers.

[katokires]

Lets be cheerful and treat this game with the seriousness it deserves...

I am willing to forgive Bioware if they make a "metal based" RPG with musics like this in the soundtrack
So I will completely forget about the game bugs and issues but with Inquisition boringness it is just not possible =(

[Ashen Nedra]

Containment. Better to let the rants happen here than everywhere.

Also closing it would just add fuel to the fire, even if they had a completely valid reason to do so.

They tried it once. Along with others, I immediately went into a posting frenzy on all threads available. Ctrl-a, ctrl-c, ctrl-v... boom, thread reopened in the morning.

 

The Party Banter ones did the trick, I think.

 

Back in early January.  Aaahh, good times.

 

Also, closing this thread would be setting off a legal and PR H-bomb.  Worldwide.

[Elhanan]

Elhanan I'm glad for you that Inquisition can be played with a mouse and keyboard, but saying the prior games have similar controls as DAI is simply not true.
 
Can you move your character around in the tac cam using your keyboard? In Origins I could run around in the the tac cam using WASD, and then navigate the camera with mouse on screen edge. In Inquisition I can do neither If you're able to do this please let me know how.

In Tac-Cam, I do use WASD to move the P&C of where I wish to go, or choose an alternative path and head there. But I choose to use Pause, and not have all others react until that choice is finalized. Or I can choose Action mode and do this all by steering with KB&M like in the previous games.

[DisturbedJim83]

Lets be cheerful and treat this game with the seriousness it deserves...

I am willing to forgive Bioware if they make a "metal based" RPG with musics like this in the soundtrack
So I will completely forget about the game bugs and issues but with Inquisition boringness it is just not possible =(

Nice music though for me this is pretty hard to beat 

[Hexoduen]

In Tac-Cam, I do use WASD to move the P&C of where I wish to go, or choose an alternative path and head there. But I choose to use Pause, and not have all others react until that choice is finalized. Or I can choose Action mode and do this all by steering with KB&M like in the previous games.

 

Elhanan.... The controls are NOT like in the previous games.

 

Did you read my post? The part that said "run around in the the tac cam using WASD " and "navigate the camera with mouse on screen edge " ? These things are not possible in DAI, so how can it be like in the previous games?

[katokires]

Nice music though for me this is pretty hard to beat 

The problem is that the sentence "Other bands play manowar kill" is too much awesomeness...
I'm not even a fan of manowar but they just owned with that
No matter which band I love I have to know that other bands play manowar kill
(despite the video being a cover by Van Canto)

[LunaFancy]

You know what controller pimps? I have consoles, lots of them, I actually like playing with a controller on a console game and I am playing (well trying to) DA:I on a controller. Guess what?

 

It STINKS! Sloppy, erratic and stupid is how I'd describe the DW Rogue melee. My dude is now using a bow- I have never played  using a bow as a primary weapon before because it's boring. And yet I am. Because this game is really, really badly designed. Even with a controller the gameplay is idiotic. And don't get me started on the AI. And the fact that the game is so mind numbingly boring I can't get past the halfway mark no matter how I try...

 

Thing is, the previous two games played well with Kb/M, this game was heavily marketed as a return to the tactical combat in Origins, nowhere, not once did they say it was a hack and slash. Mind you, even as a hack and slash the combat is horrible. So I think it's fair to say the truth was warped beyond recognition.

 

So fellow Kb/M proponents, don't worry-you aren't missing out by not using a controller, well except on hand cramps I guess. yay.

[Elhanan]

Elhanan.... The controls are NOT like in the previous games.
 
Did you read my post? The part that said "run around in the the tac cam using WASD " and "navigate the camera with mouse on screen edge " ? These things are not possible in DAI, so how can it be like in the previous games?

I use WASD for Tac-Cam, and can move after clicking on a destination. The combat continues during this time, so I opt to Pause until that destination is placed. It may not be as exact as steering (which is possible during Action mode), but it works well.

My earlier point is that what seems to be in DAI also appears in the previous games, though the reverse may not be correct.

[Raoni Luna]

Yes Elhanan. We understand. I really feel bad about people bashing you despite of your condition =(

Minaeve will take care of you

[Hexoduen]

I use WASD for Tac-Cam, and can move after clicking on a destination. The combat continues during this time, so I opt to Pause until that destination is placed. It may not be as exact as steering (which is possible during Action mode), but it works well.

My earlier point is that what seems to be in DAI also appears in the previous games, though the reverse may not be correct.

 

The reverse is not correct, there is no may. Suffice to say that you find the controls working well, while I found the controls lacking at launch. At least they have improved, and I hope they will continue to do so as to support different playstyles