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Ha! First time I heard someone say that- kinda thought I was the only one. Exactly what I wanted to do with Talis.
Speaking of the murder knife.... really miss it in DAI too.
Oh, yah - at least Skyrim gave you the ability to kill pretty much anybody - especially the irritating ones. Too tempting I suppose. You can't depopulate Thedas on a whim, unfortunately.
Well of the two, in my opinion, DA:O had a much more detailed and varied story, with good side quests and your efforts at recruiting throughout the game actually paying off at the end, unlike ME3 or DA:I. The characters in Origins were solid and well-written, with tons of backstory and excellent and abundant character-specific dialogues. Everything else bordered on suckage in Origins. As I said, I just can't see why it's the Golden Child of RPG's. Maybe it's period-specific. *Shrug*
DA2 had decent characters, (as I said, I consider Aveline and Isabella as some of the best-realized females in gaming, Cass and Sera are distant seconds, with Morrigan having the longest character arc) and the story was ambitious and had good moments. The combat in it, IMO, is superior to both Origins and Inquisition. Legacy was okay and Tallis an irritating know-it-all in DLC I could have lived without just fine. It had its moments as well, however. I would have liked the option to murder-knife Tallis and chuck her off the cliff after the Baron or whatever that dude's name had been. DA2's story was heavily-contrived in places, and some, like the bit with Hawke's mother and mage-as-serial-killer had some genuine-ness to it. The Arishok I liked and that situation had promise never really realized yet pretty good for what it was.
Inquisition may improve story-wise with new content and DLC, but I won't be shelling out for it. I have no problems with cliffhangers, yet cliffhangers done simply to milk customers I shall pass on. I've learned the lessons of ME3 well. There's always the 'Tube and sales at the end of the year, if I still remember this game exists. The fact that patches are now beta'd by fans and coming along at two month intervals means this game won't be in any more-or-less worry-free state until the bloody autumn. I have a hard time seeing that as a realistic expectation to have in expecting your player base to still be hangin' round.
Inquisition is pretty and plays well on consoles. That's apparently plenty for most. The rest seem to be waiting and wallowing in silky memories of Origins and the rough but pleasant jerkjobs it apparently gave out with every purchase.
Mine was broke or gimped or something, 'cos I got gyped.
I agree with pretty much all the above, Sir. Like Like.
DA2 without the ending (Act 4 is very, very badly done imho) and with novel environments would have been incredible.
DAo is still really good in my opinion, though. Just not my favorite game. Lots of replay value.
The main story is very typical high-fantasy, a style of fantasy which has been boring me - with the occasional exceptions like the Belgariad, Tad William's 'Memory, Sorrow and Thorn' and the Wheel of Time earlier books- since the age of 13. Combat is not so bad on Nightmare imho, once you stop using mages as ultimate harbingers of destruction. Awakenings is a great expansion - not a modern sense DLC -, with the same defaults as ToB. Everything is happening too fast.
And regarding female characters, I loved Merrill (Welsh accent maybe). Very subtle mix of deadly and disillusioned and cute (not the elf-model, though).
The Arishok closely ties for me with Irenicus and Saren as best BW villains. I honestly can't fathom why they picked Corypheus as the main villain for DAI. He was the worst part of DA2 for me: the Architect in Tevinter basically, arch-mage turned semi-God with Hubris, like............... all baddies in the Wheel of Time, the main antagonists in the Elder scrolls series, every high-class mage in ADnD, most of the villains in Japanese RPGs etc...
Boring, so boring. Not classical.
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Murder knife is in the Requisition lists; perhaps a Specialist device.
Used to unlock Assassin. Not usable in-game per se.
You definitely have a preference and more power to you. I certainly didn't intend this as anything remotely like a personal attack, Rizilliant, as it certainly wasn't, (and I hope you didn't take it as one) nor was I (I think) trying to imply that everyone looks at it as pure nostalgia. As I said above, it had its moments and a lot to enjoy, yet I personally found getting to those moments trying and tedious.
But some people though - they do seem to filter damn-near every RPG experience through Origins and - personally - I just can't see it. It's an extremely slow game to me, and likely requires far more patience than I usually have. Saying that, however, I have played it a few times. It's not high on my list of replays, mind you, but I've done it more than a couple. I do like it, I just don't see it deserving the bollocks-polishing reverence others apparently do. Also, to be a hypocrite I'd have to have been of the opinion that these were awesome to start with and I've never done. Also, saying they were "disappointing" is not the same as saying they were "bad".
Apologies if there was any confusion.
No, i did not take it as an attack..
And the entirety of the post i made certainly wasnt directed at you.. Merely used your post as a starting point for my own,a nd a reply to as much as i could 
No, i did not take it as an attack..
And the entirety of the post i made certainly wasnt directed at you.. Merely used your post as a starting point for my own,a nd a reply to as much as i could
Coolness. I had used yours for pretty much the same purpose.
Perhaps im lacking in the DA2 department, for refusal to purchase any dlc.. I just couldnt,.. Not after having played through, what i considered to be, an insult to the Dragon Age name... Then ofcourse, EA's spin on DLC.. Which is to say $10-20 a pop, and several of them..
While i was finaly able to purchase all of Origins through the Ultimate Edition, the same cannot be said for DA2..(I originally played Origins on PS3, and liking it, but not its control, decided to purchase Ultimate for PC). Wow, what a difference.. the game is night and day on console vs PC.. Similarly, i purchased DA2 on console, and it felt like thats where it belonged.. Played well with a controller, and that urked me as well.. A PC style game, turned to play for a console.. And here we are, in the 3rd installment, with pc control not even an option..Nor, its UI.
So once again, i will NOT be purchasing any dlc for yet another Dragon Age title.. I thnk i can finally say now, that Dragon Age, is no more.. I would have been much mroe satisfied if DA2, and Inquisition were action spin offs, rather than butchering a beloved game.. Everyone could have won that way.. We get our tactical crpg, they get their button mashing action game.. I like both genre.. But there are hundreds of action games.. tactical style games, are few and far between.. We're lucky to get 1 per year, thats worthy of play! (i dont play Indie games) Guess ill finally Try Wasteland 2, since Divinity: Original Sin was so great.. Not dark, but definitely a satisfying Tactical game! And in a Fantasy setting too.. My fav!
Perhaps im lacking in the DA2 department, for refusal to purchase any dlc.. I just couldnt,.. Not after having played through, what i considered to be, an insult to the Dragon Age name... Then ofcourse, EA's spin on DLC.. Which is to say $10-20 a pop, and several of them..
While i was finaly able to purchase all of Origins through the Ultimate Edition, the same cannot be said for DA2..(I originally played Origins on PS3, and liking it, but not its control, decided to purchase Ultimate for PC). Wow, what a difference.. the game is night and day on console vs PC.. Similarly, i purchased DA2 on console, and it felt like thats where it belonged.. Played well with a controller, and that urked me as well.. A PC style game, turned to play for a console.. And here we are, in the 3rd installment, with pc control not even an option..Nor, its UI.
So once again, i will NOT be purchasing any dlc for yet another Dragon Age title.. I thnk i can finally say now, that Dragon Age, is no more.. I would have been much mroe satisfied if DA2, and Inquisition were action spin offs, rather than butchering a beloved game.. Everyone could have won that way.. We get our tactical crpg, they get their button mashing action game.. I like both genre.. But there are hundreds of action games.. tactical style games, are few and far between.. We're lucky to get 1 per year, thats worthy of play! (i dont play Indie games) Guess ill finally Try Wasteland 2, since Divinity: Original Sin was so great.. Not dark, but definitely a satisfying Tactical game! And in a Fantasy setting too.. My fav!
And Shadowrun Returns ultimate edition or sthg...my GOTY. On nightmare of course.
Re DA2, it's very tactical and difficult in NM with friendly fire on. It's just the looks of the combat that are actiony and very in-your-face, imho. Don't use healing and it becomes really challenging. And you get rid of DA2 Anders, which is a plus.
I won't beat the dead horse of overpriced, ripping-your-customer-off DLC's. BW started this trend with Origins, before EA was in the equation.
Witch Hunt for 15 bucks...come on. And not to mention the plethora of OP items for each class. I mean, who is strong enough to not use Starfang? I was sad that Topsider's Honor (A Loot With Story In It TM) was near useless.
And the Keening Blade (A Loot With Story In It TM) should have been enough for every self-respecting warrior ('Witness Gaxkang!')
And Shadowrun Returns ultimate edition or sthg...my GOTY. On nightmare of course.
Re DA2, it's very tactical and difficult in NM with friendly fire on. It's just the looks of the combat that are actiony and very in-your-face, imho. Don't use healing and it becomes really challenging. And you get rid of DA2 Anders, which is a plus.
I won't beat the dead horse of overpriced, ripping-your-customer-off DLC's. BW started this trend with Origins, before EA was in the equation.
Witch Hunt for 15 bucks...come on. And not to mention the plethora of OP items for each class. I mean, who is strong enough to not use Starfang? I was sad that Topsider's Honor (A Loot With Story In It TM) was near useless.
And the Keening Blade (A Loot With Story In It TM) should have been enough for every self-respecting warrior ('Witness Gaxkang!')
Agreed.. And this is why i purchased as Ultimate Edition, rather than piece, by piece(when i upgraded from ps3 vanilla, to pc).. I also refuse to condone the "Season pass", and am glad the Online Pass finally died out.. Be it an accident or not.. The trends EA has set, and others have followed (looking at you Ubisoft), have crippled consumer relations with developers. Those things, along with the shoddy releases now adays, have brought me almost to the point of giving up gaming altogether!
The graphics more than anything turned me off to DA2.. Darkspawn suddenly looked like every other skeleton in any other fantasy rpg.. Ogres were the only recognizable entity.. Flemeth, Anders, unrecognizable.. It looked too cartoony.. I was happy that Tactics remained, and i was able to pause and play similarly.. I liked the look of the combat animations, but not actually having to play it.. It felt like a pc game, being made to play for console..The story, characters, tactics, etc were fine.. Yet we lost follower armor/weapon swap.. Much of the class trees, etc were neutered! And as everyone knows, the mob spawns, re used maps, etc.. It just felt dumbed down.. However, after playing DA:I, DA2 feels like a step up.. Which ofcourse, means in real time, DA has taken consistent steps back!
I do try to not use much of the dlc armor/weapons wheni can.. They really take away from the difficulty.. Though i would be remiss if i didnt say i get upset everytime i cannot euquip my complete Ancient Elven set 
Much like in Inquisition, i wouldnt use Focus abilities.;. In Origins, i also have never used Mana Clash, or NEVER use any exploit!
On another topic.. I wonder how badlife is going to get for all of us here in the U.S., with Obama's/FCC Net Neutrality... So sick of government over stepping its bounds!
On another topic.. I wonder how badlife is going to get for all of us here in the U.S., with Obama's/FCC Net Neutrality... So sick of government over stepping its bounds!
Feel free to call up your ISP and offer to pay more to stream movies from Netflix if you don't like Net Neutrality. I'm sure they'll take your money. The government "regulates" phones without having taken them over. why do people assume they are "taking over" the internet? Nothing is going to "get bad" Net Neutrality is what we have had for years. Not getting this regulation now is what would have changed things.
An. BW started this trend [DLC] with Origins, before EA was in the equation.
Actually, EA bought Bioware in the final stages of Origins development (just a little too late to ruin it completely, as I said when I blogged my now-defunct DA ffic way back when). First thing they did was remove Shale from the almost-finished game (the house before the bridge in Redcliffe was originally Wilhelm's house) so it could be released as DLC. The toolset even has some amusing, but now gone, lines between Shale and Bella.
Actually, EA bought Bioware in the final stages of Origins development (just a little too late to ruin it completely, as I said when I blogged my now-defunct DA ffic way back when). First thing they did was remove Shale from the almost-finished game (the house before the bridge in Redcliffe was originally Wilhelm's house) so it could be released as DLC. The toolset even has some amusing, but now gone, lines between Shale and Bella.
So, EA was behind it all along then? Didn't know that. Thanks, Bethgael.
What about Warden's Keep? Was it included as well originally?
So, EA was behind it all along then? Didn't know that. Thanks, Bethgael.
What about Warden's Keep? Was it included as well originally?
I don't think so, but don't quote me on that. I believe WK was legitimately added as post-game DLC (as was Return to Ostagar), though. Both of them have no "artifacts" in the vanilla Toolset, unlike Shale, who is all through it (i.e., Shale's files are all "unlocked" vanilla content, RTO & WK were additional files).
I don't think so, but don't quote me on that. I believe WK was legitimately added as post-game DLC (as was Return to Ostagar), though. Both of them have no "artifacts" in the vanilla Toolset, unlike Shale, who is all through it (i.e., Shale's files are all "unlocked" vanilla content, RTO & WK were additional files).
OK.
To be fair to Ea (my God, do I have sunstroke?), the original silly priced DLC's were started with the infamous Horse Armor in Oblivion a few months before DA was released if I remember correctly. It was an industry-wide trend.
Btw, did you have time to read my story? Catching up on yours. I love uchronia and the Roman empire period, so really enjoying thus far.
Agreed.. And this is why i purchased as Ultimate Edition, rather than piece, by piece(when i upgraded from ps3 vanilla, to pc).. I also refuse to condone the "Season pass", and am glad the Online Pass finally died out.. Be it an accident or not.. The trends EA has set, and others have followed (looking at you Ubisoft), have crippled consumer relations with developers. Those things, along with the shoddy releases now adays, have brought me almost to the point of giving up gaming altogether!
The graphics more than anything turned me off to DA2.. Darkspawn suddenly looked like every other skeleton in any other fantasy rpg.. Ogres were the only recognizable entity.. Flemeth, Anders, unrecognizable.. It looked too cartoony.. I was happy that Tactics remained, and i was able to pause and play similarly.. I liked the look of the combat animations, but not actually having to play it.. It felt like a pc game, being made to play for console..The story, characters, tactics, etc were fine.. Yet we lost follower armor/weapon swap.. Much of the class trees, etc were neutered! And as everyone knows, the mob spawns, re used maps, etc.. It just felt dumbed down.. However, after playing DA:I, DA2 feels like a step up.. Which ofcourse, means in real time, DA has taken consistent steps back!
I do try to not use much of the dlc armor/weapons wheni can.. They really take away from the difficulty.. Though i would be remiss if i didnt say i get upset everytime i cannot euquip my complete Ancient Elven set
On another topic.. I wonder how badlife is going to get for all of us here in the U.S., with Obama's/FCC Net Neutrality... So sick of government over stepping its bounds!
I agree with all of your comments about EA and its financially abusive DLC policies. I too noticed the AAA-gamification of DA2 compared to Origins and that trend has only continued in DA:I.
I found DA:I to be a HUGE disappointment in almost every category. I played it through once to see how the story developed and couldn't even muster a second play-through. Honestly, how a game where a large proportion of the quests are "click on this dead body - now run over there and click on a note or a wall or another dead body" could get good reviews is beyond me. The story is cliche, the characters are barely fleshed out, and the gameplay itself (combat, tactics) is simplified and boring. Bioware is now officially over from my perspective.
I'm mystified by your comment about Obama and net neutrality. Where are you getting your news? Net neutrality has been the foundation of the internet since its inception. The only people who want to change net neutrality are big corporations who want to be able to prevent competition and charge more for their "premium" services.
Its going to, as usual, get filtered down to those consumers whom use the product.. They will pay more.. Just like every other anything government sticks its nose in.. Healthcare_more cost to consumer.. Minimum wage increases_companies simply charge more to the consumer... Gas tax_ food, clothing, electronics (anything that gets shipped)_more costs more for the consumer..
Companies have the right to charge whatever the consumer is willing to pay.. They do not decide an items worth, the consumer does...Much like the direction EA continues to take with its games.. We continue to purchasse, therefore they continue the approach...The economy/consumer decides what an item is worth.. The economy/consumer decide what ones job is worth paying..Not government...
Government has its place, and its not the private sector.. Anything it does, private companies can do better, and without having to raise taxes to pay for it.. I see more, and more of our rights being slowly handed away, for comfort, or government to take care of us.. People can/should tae care of themselves.. We're becoming far too reliant on government for anything, and its gonna cost our children.. Dearly! I know mines not a popular opinion.. Liberalism is now the Flavor of the Week, but its hurting the country...
And before im asked, no, im not rich.. In fact, i make less than 30k per year to feed my family of 6, pay my mortgage, etc..
And here i said i wouldnt talk politics.. sigh.. See ya in 3 days 
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Actually, EA bought Bioware in the final stages of Origins development (just a little too late to ruin it completely, as I said when I blogged my now-defunct DA ffic way back when). First thing they did was remove Shale from the almost-finished game (the house before the bridge in Redcliffe was originally Wilhelm's house) so it could be released as DLC. The toolset even has some amusing, but now gone, lines between Shale and Bella.
It sure did. I also remember the DLC storage chest at Warden's Keep. Thank goodness for modders. Shale was so integral to Origins. Shale had some major plot points that coincided with Oghren's quest to find Branka. It was not a nice introduction to EA. Already it felt like they were trying to shake us down.
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I don't think so, but don't quote me on that. I believe WK was legitimately added as post-game DLC (as was Return to Ostagar), though. Both of them have no "artifacts" in the vanilla Toolset, unlike Shale, who is all through it (i.e., Shale's files are all "unlocked" vanilla content, RTO & WK were additional files).
Yeah, Shale was all over the toolset unlike Warden's Keep and just about any other DLC. Shale was already on my preordered DVD. I think if you got the preorder, a gift code for Shale's DLC was included.
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As for me, all DLC is on hold until the controls are fixed. I refuse to make a complete second playthrough until the controls are made right. I also dread going through the Western Approach and Hissing Wastelands and that area where the shards are used. I get sleepy in the Hissing Wastes. So... the controls and interesting DLC better arrive soon. I finished Far Cry 4 this weekend. Now that's how you do an open-world FPS. You can fly, swim, dive, drive, glide, zipline, climb and hover. I brag on the environments on Inquisition, but Far Cry in general is so hard to beat.
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I also remember the expansion Awakenings not being able to use assets from Warden's Keep and other DLC. It was the second bad introduction to EA. Awakenings had a decent story, but it was poorly-executed. You could tell right away that people unfamiliar with Origins was involved. The expansion also took a week to get it working. My first of four failure-to-launch titles under EA/Bioware. Thankfully, the toolset was already in the hands of a very, very savvy modding community. They fixed my problems before the official patch came out. I miss having a toolset.
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I agree with all of your comments about EA and its financially abusive DLC policies. I too noticed the AAA-gamification of DA2 compared to Origins and that trend has only continued in DA:I.
I found DA:I to be a HUGE disappointment in almost every category. I played it through once to see how the story developed and couldn't even muster a second play-through. Honestly, how a game where a large proportion of the quests are "click on this dead body - now run over there and click on a note or a wall or another dead body" could get good reviews is beyond me. The story is cliche, the characters are barely fleshed out, and the gameplay itself (combat, tactics) is simplified and boring. Bioware is now officially over from my perspective.
I'm mystified by your comment about Obama and net neutrality. Where are you getting your news? Net neutrality has been the foundation of the internet since its inception. The only people who want to change net neutrality are big corporations who want to be able to prevent competition and charge more for their "premium" services.
For everything the government gets involved with, the consumer is who pays for it in the short term and much more in the long term. EVERY TIME... EVERY TIME... EVERY TIME... the government gets involved in something, it's the taxpayers who get the bill. Not the big corporations. Nope. It's small business and the home owner that have to fork over the cash.
Oddly enough I didn't mind Shale as the mission seemed separate (I didn't know it had been removed for DLC). it was Warden's Keep which annoyed me with Levi in camp until you bought it.
I do envy the people who have managed to struggle through and complete a playthrough of the game. I just can't do it though, the game just doesn't play well for me and to be honest the story at the opening isn't strong enough to keep me interested.
Banter was great in DA:O.
For those who didn't know...when you enter the Hall of Heroes in Orzamar , walk down left hand side banter triggers as you approach the door into the Commons. In Commons turn around and open the door back into Hall of Heroes ; walk down left hand side and banter triggers ;open door out of Orzamar and turn around and open door back in. walk down left...if you keep doing this you get banter every time...if you romanced Morrigan and Leliana is interested...and Sten and Shale and Oghren in your party, you'll get about two hours of non-stop banter if you keep changing ands mixing companions !
And quality of banter is priceless
Finally... wer'e back home!!
We had some good times and we had some bad times.
-The bad was a 4 hr flight delay to Costa Rica... snow related
-The good was free food and booze and sun
-The bad was the waiters have no clue what a Black Russian is supposed to be. The guy insisted that a BR was made up of the local coffee liqueur (ergo the black) plus milk (maybe the Russians are white?). When I said give me a BR with Vodka + local coffee liqueur + dos cerezas, he looked at me as if I came from Mars. Bottom line, you can't find any cherries in Liberia, Costa Rica.
-The good was the nightly shows... some were excellent
-The bad-- one restaurant 's (reservation required) food was awful.
-The good their buffet have good food.
-the bad- hotel departure was delayed two hours... not bad.. we drank the free booze at the bar. Plus another hour delay at the airport due to passengers being sick... so baggage had to be removed from the plane.
-The bad... on arrival, overheard the plane's captain mention to the ground crew that one of the engines stalled... but only after we landed.. thank the Maker.
-The bad - hotel checkout was at noon and we arreived at home the next day at 6AM. My internal clock is really
out of whack....
I'll be catching up on the DAI status .. probably take a day or two...
Instant pause & play > delayed pause & play.
More overview over the map/battlefield > less.
Multiple selectable partymembers > only one selectable.
Free flowing mousecursor > stuck to the ground cursor.
Optimized PC-UI > ported console UI ...
... the list goes on.
I take a few clunky mechanics and "floaty" combat for those listed above any day.
I'm glad for you. None of that matters because the combat is floaty, goofy, dorky, unsatisfying, has no "umph". In my opinion. So there you have it, we disagree. Care to try to talk me into something I've unbiasedly experienced for myself? Not going to happen. I much prefer the UI in Inquisition. No mouse cursor issues. Don't use the tactical view - at all. I care as much about your reasons as you care about mine. I'm sure that theme can be repeated for many of us. I enjoy all three games, they all are fun to play. Inquisition is my favorite out of the three.
I'm glad for you. None of that matters because the combat is floaty, goofy, dorky, unsatisfying, has no "umph". In my opinion. So there you have it, we disagree. Care to try to talk me into something I've unbiasedly experienced for myself? Not going to happen. I much prefer the UI in Inquisition. No mouse cursor issues. Don't use the tactical view - at all. I care as much about your reasons as you care about mine. I'm sure that theme can be repeated for many of us. I enjoy all three games, they all are fun to play. Inquisition is my favorite out of the three.
You had me until, "I much prefer the UI in Inquisition". There's no way this could be better or express a tinge of PC utility?
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