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[Pen-N-Paper]

The tactical camera has been in there for a while. Here is a video where they showed off the game during pax prime 2013, so over a year ago (you can see the tactical cam at about 20:30).

 

 

I guess they just never bothered to get it right. Apparently the Iron Bull romance options were much (much, much, much) more important than gameplay.

Yes, I remember this. I am surprised it was nerfed on launch. I do not play MMOs - or, at least, the ones I have tried did not have a tactical camera - but do MMOs have a tactical camera? 

 

Remember this truth, Dragon Age franchise development is moving towards MMO not single player RPG that was the whole of Origins. Notice the little bits that get paired away: complex story, complex story-based quests, simple graphics in favour of splashy fireworks, tactical strategy in favour of Korean-championship-level button mashing, beautiful rocks and paper doll customization instead of complex character simulation, etc.  

 

But getting the truth about this franchise from some guy on a forum, or in odd "off-mic" comments by some employee unauthorized to speak, is not like hearing it as a consistent message from the horse's mouth: Bioware's Marketing communications.

[am0n]

The dev team is hard at work on upcoming patches. We will get you information as soon as we can, but in efforts to ensure we are providing you a complete and accurate picture, we are refraining from commenting on what's being patched until that information is finalized.
I'm sorry for the delay, but trust that we are working on it and have been following your concerns closely.

 

Which concerns?  There are a lot of them.

[Durin Duranbah]

Which was a point I made earlier, Bioware controlled a niche with DA:O, and DA2. That was the high quality , AAA, team based tactical western RPG. DA:I should have focused on what was necessary to maintain that. Without that focus on tactical I might as well be playing just about any action RPG. 

 

Beautiful graphics and world size isn't going to last as reasons to play when everyone else starts showing off beautiful graphics and big worlds. 

 

 

This! Dragon Age Origins stood the test of time because of gameplay story and feeling. Inquisition is one of the first in the new line of the "next gen" games, wich graphic wise and probably world wise won't measure up in 2-4 years. And after that what will be left?

[Greetsme]

Money ? are u kidding ? it's much more vicious... there is so many reviews site / magazines etc, that editors just have to say : give us a good review or you'll never get preview version ever again and you'll lose your readers cause they'll go elsewhere to read review in advance...

 

Makes a  lot of sense.  So we should be boycotting the review sites that give us these bogus reviews?

 

Even Angry Joe sold out.  I have unsubscribed his channel.

[Greetsme]

This! Dragon Age Origins stood the test of time because of gameplay story and feeling. Inquisition is one of the first in the new line of the "next gen" games, wich graphic wise and probably world wise won't measure up in 2-4 years. And after that what will be left?

 

I was thinking more like 6 months before Inquisition is a forgotten has-been.

[dumbo]

Makes a  lot of sense.  So we should be boycotting the review sites that give us these bogus reviews?

AFAICT:

- most reviewers seem to have either played the xbox version or used an xbox controller on the PC version.

- reviewer videos show that tactical mode was rarely/never used.

- reviewers with PCs will be running 'gaming PCs', not PCs with older GPUs/CPUs (that are more prone to some of the technical issues that have been seen).

- reviewers do not tend to be "technical geniuses", and were likely running slightly pre-release code.

 

Personally, those reviews/scores are fine - the game is good.  It's not a olde-worlde PC RPG, but nowadays bioware is primarily a console developer.  So it's a great console game ported to PC - doesn't mean it's not a 9/10 game on PC.

 

On the other hand, if another developer makes a great PC RPG, then I'd abandon Thedas in a heartbeat (or 1/30th a second due to animations).

[teenparty]

You care!

[bateluer]

Makes a  lot of sense.  So we should be boycotting the review sites that give us these bogus reviews?

 

Even Angry Joe sold out.  I have unsubscribed his channel.

 

Wait, Angry Joe's DAI review is out? I hope he didn't go easy on DAI like he did with DA2, but I also know he was playing it on his XB1 during his Impressions video. 

[Durin Duranbah]

AFAICT:

- most reviewers seem to have either played the xbox version or used an xbox controller on the PC version.

- reviewer videos show that tactical mode was rarely/never used.

- reviewers with PCs will be running 'gaming PCs', not PCs with older GPUs/CPUs (that are more prone to some of the technical issues that have been seen).

- reviewers do not tend to be "technical geniuses", and were likely running slightly pre-release code.

 

Personally, those reviews/scores are fine - the game is good.  It's not a olde-worlde PC RPG, but nowadays bioware is primarily a console developer.  So it's a great console game ported to PC - doesn't mean it's not a 9/10 game on PC.

 

On the other hand, if another developer makes a great PC RPG, then I'd abandon Thedas in a heartbeat (or 1/30th a second due to animations).

 

I would really have to issues with that if not for the fact, that Inquisition was promised to be a "back to the roots olde-worlde PC RPG, from pc gamers for pc gamers"

 

I play assassins creed on pc with a controller because I know that what it is developed for and advertised as "best played with controller". So I know what to expect.

Bioware just mislead us.

[DarthLaxian]

Well, I finally stopped fighting reality and plugged in a controller.  The act of playing the game is greatly improved, the controls feel much more intuitive and fluid and say goodbye to the search sonar!  Tactical camera is functional in outdoor areas although it's still not ideal and I although haven't looked at it inside buildings or caves yet, I imagine it will still be problematic.

 

In short if your major issues are mouse and keyboard related, go with the controller, your life will be better for it.  

 

No - it's not the issue that it works fine with a controller: The issue is, that they said it works fine with keyboard and mouse - when in fact, it does not!

 

I have controller (Xbox one as I sometimes used it to play emulated games for older consoles), but I don't want to use it for a game that should have propper PC-Support (they told us it would - that it would not be a bad console port...like what you expect when you want to play Assassin's Creed, which was designed for consoles first and foremost...DA was not and should not be (remember: the best sold game in the series is DA:O and that's PC only!))

 

greetings LAX

[Cornughon]

An EA project working right the first time?  LOL

Heavens, no. They're far too proud of being the world's most hated company to ever risk losing that title.

They're the most hated company in the US, that's not the entire world. And in the case of releasing buggy games: Ubisoft is hardly doing any better, but they're French so...

Just looking around and looking for alternatives to a good tactical rpg now. In some cases Divinity: Original Sin was brought up. Never played it myself but I just looked at the metacritic scores:
 
Divinity: Original Sin   Metascore 87, Userscore 8.8    nice makes sense nothing wrong
 
then for fun I looked at the scores from DA:O   Metascore 91   User Score 8.6  ... again makes sense
 
DA:I    Metascore 87, Userscore 5.5  ??? I guess they shipped different versions to the testers lol
 
Also I think it shows that PC gamers don't need fancy next gen graphics to enjoy a good game since even in the Metascore Divinity and DA:I are tied.
 
Maybe Bioware should think about that, but than again I doubt they will, since console gamers appear to care almost only about graphics.

Whenever alleged 'users' start zero-bombing games on metacritic I usually don't take a low userscore serious. Sure no game is worth a '10' either since it has to be perfect then, but a '0' isn't very realistic either...

[Damazig]

Yes, I remember this. I am surprised it was nerfed on launch. I do not play MMOs - or, at least, the ones I have tried did not have a tactical camera - but do MMOs have a tactical camera? 

 

Remember this truth, Dragon Age franchise development is moving towards MMO not single player RPG that was the whole of Origins. Notice the little bits that get paired away: complex story, complex story-based quests, simple graphics in favour of splashy fireworks, tactical strategy in favour of Korean-championship-level button mashing, beautiful rocks and paper doll customization instead of complex character simulation, etc.  

 

But getting the truth about this franchise from some guy on a forum, or in odd "off-mic" comments by some employee unauthorized to speak, is not like hearing it as a consistent message from the horse's mouth: Bioware's Marketing communications.

I'm a bit lost as to what you are trying to say but...

 

Remember this truth you say? I'm sorry, I'm supposed to take your truths on this forum over another guy on the forum? over a an employee "off-mic" comments? that "truth"?

 

And what truth is that really?

 

Your truth on this forum says you do not play MMOs but you know the truth that DA is(should be?) going for an mmo style? Several MMOs have "tactical cameras" but not pause and play... it's an online thing after all, you're not supposed to pause the other 10, 20, 40 people around you while you go to the bathroom to take a break.

 

So you say complex story is going away?? the first MMO with a complex story, more or less well told "cinematicly" over the game was SWTOR, a BIOWARE game aswell, and it didnt go that well, and it came from their single player perspective and background. Other MMOs, and the most played one WoW is now trying to integrate alot more story telling with alot more in game cinematics as an evolution. All things and problems aside, I think the complex story is still there in Inquisition, and for me it's not one of its flaws.

 

Complex story based quests, again seen alot more in single player than MMOs yes, but this game does seem to have the long version big quests AND the go fetch my dog quest aswell.

 

I prefered DA Origins tactical and hardcore style as opposed to Inquisition's, but eventhough this game is going towards action style RPGs, its nowhere near a korean button mashing competition, like a Star Craft 2, heck it's nowhere near a League of Legends or a WoW pvp high rated arena, or an FPS or Street Fighter style of twitch game movement.

 

Simple graphics vs flashy? erm sure Origins was darker and I prefered that tone, but it was not simple in any regard, and this game is flashier sure, but not a TERA or a Guild Wars.

 

Rocks paper scissors? yeah its a real pitty they removed the complex character customization, but for what? what are you countering? you dont have pvp in this game, and you want to counter what mobs? ... let me tell you my experience so far in this game with harder difficulties and friendly fire on, there no balance, there is no decent AI, the pathing is outrageous,  and there is no preparation or counter like you are saying, in the same encounter you get a guy immune to fire, another immune to ice, heaven forbid if you take two mages who both have ice dmg staffs for the auto attacks, wich you cant switch in batlle.

Take 2 mages all the time? or not focus on several different non speciallized trees like this game seems to be wanting you to focus on just one path, so you don't get flooded with spells that you can't use on the 8 action slot maximum number of abilities/spells?

Heck take the 2 mages anyway, the 2 barrier shields will come in handy, seeing there is no heal spells in the game, and like that you already have 2 ranged, better make it 3, cause if the third is melee... he's gonna get aoe hammered all the time by NPCs, I'm not even considering player AOE friendly fire. If you take another melee dps that you want to not tank with, its gonna be bad all the time for warriors to get armor, you need to taunt, as for rogues... RUN AWAY!

 

I'm enjoying the game alot, but it's neither optimized for PC/keyboar mouse and UI, nor is it balanced between the action rpg orientation and the tactical that they said they wanted to do.

[dumbo]

I would really have to issues with that if not for the fact, that Inquisition was promised to be a "back to the roots olde-worlde PC RPG, from pc gamers for pc gamers"

 

I play assassins creed on pc with a controller because I know that what it is developed for and advertised as "best played with controller". So I know what to expect.

Bioware just mislead us.

I would entirely agree with that.

 

To be fair, I honestly believe that bioware *intended* to make that game, but they just found themselves with other priorities and a looming deadline.  (most developers are not drones - they want to make great stuff, it's just they don't necessarily have the time or resources to do everything - and PC was clearly not a priority for this title).

 

 

[Pen-N-Paper]

3 Reasons Electronic Arts Inc.'s Stock Could Rise

source: http://www.fool.com/...incs-stock.aspx

 

Although the video game publisher is trading near a six-year high, the stock could have further upside.

 

More revenue shifts to digital
Historically, the majority of Electronic Arts' games have been delivered in a physical format -- discs or cartridges sold directly to customers. Discs still compose the bulk of Electronic Arts' revenue, but there has been sizable growth in digital distribution platforms. Last quarter, for example, about one-third of the company's adjusted net revenue came from digital streams.

 

There was a few posters on this forum that expressed some outrage with the Bioware Division pricing strategy that saw digial download priced higher than physical copies. I was academically interested in that discussion - having nothing to do with my potential enjoyment of a video game. Still....

 

Battlefield Hardline and Dragon Age: Inquisition exceed expectations
 

In the near term, Electronic Arts investors should be mindful of two titles in particular: Battlefield Hardline and Dragon Age: Inquisition.

 

The third installment in the Dragon Age series will make its debut on Nov. 18, and could set sales records. As a role-playing game, it might not offer the sort of mass appeal as a Call of Duty or Grand Theft Auto installment, but it could be one of the most highly regarded games to go on sale this holiday season. The PlayStation 4 version of the game holds an 89 rating (out of 100) on review aggregator Metacritic, making it the third-best reviewed PlayStation 4 title in the console's (admittedly short) history.

 

Battlefield Hardline won't go on sale until March, but it's the title Electronic Arts' investors should look to after Dragon Age: Inquisition. Originally expected to debut this month, the game was pushed back for additional polishing. If that polishing results in a similarly impressive Metacritic score, it could translate into strong sales

 

almost reaching DA2's first week sales [units or dollars, unreported] says the (I believe to be) consolidated sales report online. Taking into account the lower marketing expense of DA2 in comparison to either the successful DA:O and DA3, DA3 is a much anticipated.... disappointment. http://www.computera...me-of-all-time/

 

Real time EA stock tick:

http://www.google.co...AQ&ved=0CBQQ2AE 

 

And since Motley Fool mentioned metacritic: 5.5 rating by PC users currently. Up by 0.2 last few days (Darrah press release period)

I would put more faith in sale point sites like Amazon: 3/5 And balanced negative reviews, which, because they are not written by crazies, will affect sales on site. (Wasn't DA2 rated at a similar level by consumers a week after launch?)

[Avatiach]

can we have a patch that let us play the game without using origin? I mean I get they force us to have an origin account to play the game but to force us to use it? that just low. and i'm tired of the game not launching because it fail to sync data. I can live with that I just want to play the game.

[Damazig]

I would really have to issues with that if not for the fact, that Inquisition was promised to be a "back to the roots olde-worlde PC RPG, from pc gamers for pc gamers"

 

I play assassins creed on pc with a controller because I know that what it is developed for and advertised as "best played with controller". So I know what to expect.

Bioware just mislead us.

From that video, I'd almost go as far as flat out lies? But I'm still willing to give them the benefit of the doubt.

 

"its a series that has always been the helm on the PC" ? Origins surely, DA2 was a console port.

 

"the combat HUD was designed specificly for the PC giving you the manouverability..." what? the HUD was given a 1 to 18 botton screen action bar, that can't have anymore more spells than those 8... that's not PC. The Tac cam works the way it does cause because it is designed with a controller in mind.

Any free cam, or tac cam that's anywhere decent in PC, is either a floating cam OR it has pitch, where you can look up and down, independant of the zoom...

 

Inquisition's cam has nothing of these, and is stuck to the ground, its funny where there's loads of areas where you see that the AI can't jump, so it goes around and down the rock, or around the room, instead of jumping, and the tac cam forces you to take the exact same rought with your camera, you need to go with the pointer on the ground, walk around everything so you can get to the spot a few inches away from where you were, I've NEVER seen this on any PC game I've played.

[Durin Duranbah]

I would entirely agree with that.

 

To be fair, I honestly believe that bioware *intended* to make that game, but they just found themselves with other priorities and a looming deadline.  (most developers are not drones - they want to make great stuff, it's just they don't necessarily have the time or resources to do everything - and PC was clearly not a priority for this title).

 

normally I too would give the benefit of the doubt, but that video was released a month ago, so the developers should have been well aware of what their game is and is not.

[Gel214th]

This was certainly true! 

 

https://www.youtube....67IZB2O9kc#t=39

 

Paraphrasing : We've kept a lot of things under wrap, but how it all plays out and how it all fits together I think is going to surprise PC players

 

lol

 

I hope the forums are making enough noise to get focus on the PC issues that people are describing. 

[yankblan]

He's just a placeholder for Marcus Mariota in next years draft.

You really think Mariotta is more than a college/system QB? Skeptical. I think Bridgewater would have been perfect for the Eagles despite his size...

[Pen-N-Paper]

Doesn't add up like you tell it. But I don't really read much of the reviews there yet, so I don't claim to be an expert.

R.E.A.D. reviews. Start with the 1-stars.

Free Advice: NEVER ever never go by the number of stars.

 

Here's why:

http://www.nytimes.c...nline.html?_r=0

 

http://www.huffingto..._b_3997107.html

 

It is totally unethical for a company to pay (in cash, in kind, in product) or otherwise compromise people to leave reviews.

And, just for Bioware to understand, this unethical behaviour extends to employees touting their company. 

 

And manipulating stock prices (by over-valuing earning or merchandise) is a criminal offence punishable with jail time in the USA, if proven. Just saying.

[jnd0e]

...in the USA, if proven. Just saying.

BioWare is Canadian company

[Pen-N-Paper]

Console gamers only care about graphics? No, that would be the master race, peasants are already happy when the game looks "ok" and stays above 30 fps.

I am one of those peasant PC users, and take no offense to the term because my money is just as good as yours. I would be happy with DA:O again. Just change the story. I would also be happy if any successful (incl. playable) game was not considered a one-off work of art needing to be constantly one-upped for some award seeking mentality.  Okay but that is just this peasant.

[Dubya75]

After 30 hours with this game, I can honestly say I have NEVER played a better game. Only let down by the poor PC controls and rubbish Tactical Camera.

Bioware owe it to themselves and their fans to FINSIH the PC version of this game by sorting out these issues (and adding a walk/run toggle!).

 

Then, when all that is properly polished, I will call this the perfect RPG game.

[Pen-N-Paper]

BioWare is Canadian company

NASDAQ's in New York State. They have a tough AGO as I recall.

Anyways, criminal law follows the British Common Law system pf precedence in North America (except in Quebec where the law is Continental).  Just ask (Canadian) [Lord] Conrad Black how he enjoyed American prison.

[jnd0e]

NASDAQ's in New York State. They have a tough AGO as I recall.

Anyways, criminal law follows the British Common Law system pf precedence in North America (except in Quebec where the law is Continental).  Just ask (Canadian) [Lord] Conrad Black how he enjoyed American prison.

Okay