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[Dinkledorf]

Gosh! Sounds like one of those horrid dreams you get as a child of going to school with no pants on....

 

Anyway...

 

Are you playing the game vanilla or are you using mods that affects your pj's in any way? I ask because this is an interesting little bug I have not heard of before...

No mods, pure vanilla. 

[Elhanan]

No mods, pure vanilla.

Uncertain, but this may have to do with certain scenes or events in Skyhold before departure elsewhere. Seem to recall having to redress the Inq a few times, too.

[DarkAmaranth1966]

I know one of the Iron Bull romance scenes does that and, If I recall one of Dorian's does too. Probably one that will for each companion except Josie.

[Dinkledorf]

Uncertain, but this may have to do with certain scenes or events in Skyhold before departure elsewhere. Seem to recall having to redress the Inq a few times, too.

I think you are right.  This particular time was the first venture out of Skyhold.

 

Unrelated and totally stupid newb question, how does one post a pic on this forum?  Everything I try says its not allowed in this community.  I am using Imgur for hosting.

[Peregrinus]

I think you are right.  This particular time was the first venture out of Skyhold.

 

Unrelated and totally stupid newb question, how does one post a pic on this forum?  Everything I try says its not allowed in this community.  I am using Imgur for hosting.

You should be able to cut/paste your picture link from Imgur to here by using the image tag. 

[KilrB]

Oh, I got it. 

 

Bio had time for minor gag(s) but not for proper KB+M controls..... but I get it. Bio has time to fix exploits but not basic KB+M controls... I get it, no question about it. PC games don't have much use for good KB+M controls, but let's give them a gag...it will amuse them while their left hand gets a cramp from playing this awkward manifestation of PC controls for PG gamers made  by PC gamers.

 

I get the feeling you are from Bio from "..it was a minor gag..".  Either way, if our gag of cheesy fun upset you,.. welcome to the fold.

 

Exactly

 

Jokes, running gags, and being cutesy can be acceptable and amusing in a good, well-done, finished game.

 

Inquisition is none of these things.

 

The time and resources wasted on this were better spent toward improving the game.

[Dinkledorf]

....

 

 hoiluwfe;hogfe;ogef;ogewf;gwe8dsbjudsjkbu1lol! 

Huh, I never would have thought to say that.  Nice!

 

To the two posters, short history of this thread:

 

1. Started by Bio for purpose of obtaining concerns from PC players

2. PC players quite reasonably and amicably provide a bunch of useful info in a rational and seemingly calm manner

3. Bio largely "seemingly" ignores said advice

4. Bio stops posting completely

5. The lunatics start taking over the asylum 

6. By around page 350 or 400 , takeover complete pretty well guaranteeing no additional Bio participation (then again Bio has been very silent on all aspects of this forum)

7. Post page 400, said lunatics use this thread as a "swearing tree" to vent frustration and anger

8. And here we are...

 

Hope you guys don't mind me calling you (and me) lunatics, after all, the definition of insanity is to continue doing the same thing expecting different results.  :=)

[Dinkledorf]

You should be able to cut/paste your picture link from Imgur to here by using the image tag. 

Ha, so much for the fancy Image button, thanks!  Using BB code works, hopefully:

 

Speaking of clipping (well a few posts ago), here are a couple of interestingly funny ones I came across yesterday:

 

 

So yeah, armor clipping in Skyhold would be a relatively minor issue.

[Peregrinus]

The extra time Bioware had was spent on making spoons with cute rhyming descriptions with 210 DPS and cheese shields during their Q&A while mouse/keyboard is still not serviceable to most and you wonder why people are irate?  

[SwobyJ]

The extra time Bioware had was spent on making spoons with cute rhyming descriptions with 210 DPS and cheese shields during their Q&A while mouse/keyboard is still not serviceable to most and you wonder why people are irate?  

 

Now that's just being silly.

[KilrB]

Huh, I never would have thought to say that.  Nice!

 

To the two posters, short history of this thread:

 

1. Started by Bio for purpose of obtaining concerns from PC players

2. PC players quite reasonably and amicably provide a bunch of useful info in a rational and seemingly calm manner

3. Bio largely "seemingly" ignores said advice

4. Bio stops posting completely

5. The lunatics start taking over the asylum 

6. By around page 350 or 400 , takeover complete pretty well guaranteeing no additional Bio participation (then again Bio has been very silent on all aspects of this forum)

7. Post page 400, said lunatics use this thread as a "swearing tree" to vent frustration and anger

8. And here we are...

 

Hope you guys don't mind me calling you (and me) lunatics, after all, the definition of insanity is to continue doing the same thing expecting different results.  :=)

 

You forgot the brief lock-down and the loud corporate "UH-OH" that preceded it's hasty re-opening before us lunatics spread the discontent too far afield ...

[DanteYoda]

Dwarfs clip so bad in cutscenes and skyhold anyway so armor over the jammies would make a speck of difference to me..

 

We even get cutscenes where you can't even see our characters... so i guess it doesn't even matter what we are wearing..

[KilrB]

Dwarfs clip so bad in cutscenes and skyhold anyway so armor over the jammies would make a speck of difference to me..

 

We even get cutscenes where you can't even see our characters... so i guess it doesn't even matter what we are wearing..

 

 ... in that case there's that nude mod.

 

(edit: "mod")

[They call me a SpaceCowboy]

Dwarfs clip so bad in cutscenes and skyhold anyway so armor over the jammies would make a speck of difference to me..

 

We even get cutscenes where you can't even see our characters... so i guess it doesn't even matter what we are wearing..

 

Even the dragon armour clips.. on itself

[Errationatus]

Huh, I never would have thought to say that.  Nice!

 

To the two posters, short history of this thread:

 

1. Started by Bio for purpose of obtaining concerns from PC players

2. PC players quite reasonably and amicably provide a bunch of useful info in a rational and seemingly calm manner

3. Bio largely "seemingly" ignores said advice

4. Bio stops posting completely

5. The lunatics start taking over the asylum 

6. By around page 350 or 400 , takeover complete pretty well guaranteeing no additional Bio participation (then again Bio has been very silent on all aspects of this forum)

7. Post page 400, said lunatics use this thread as a "swearing tree" to vent frustration and anger

8. And here we are...

 

Hope you guys don't mind me calling you (and me) lunatics, after all, the definition of insanity is to continue doing the same thing expecting different results.  :=)

 

I can only speak for myself here. Wall of text time.

 

I'm not angry just to be angry.  That's what children and the mentally incompetent do.  When they cancelled Farscape and Dead Like Me, I was irate.  Not because I was angry they were gone but because I was disappointed they wouldn't go on, because in a sea of utter crap they tried to do something different.  It's a subtle distinction but a meaningful one. 

 

I'm not pissed that DA:I is terrible because it isn't.  I'm not cross because it's poorly made because it isn't. I don't blame the talented folks who sweat over the thing and did their damndest to meet some arbitrary deadline so some number-crunching microbe could slap his lips on the ass of his overlord and get a big bonus for squeezing it out in time to sucker folks during the holidays.  (Granted, it was more likely because they knew they'd have gotten swamped by the Witcher and got kinda end-run when CDPR pushed the game back to May.  Now they're stuck with this sadly-poor damage control for this poor showing and this new and enlightened 'let's let the fans help' bullcrap).

 

I'm angry because the misinformation and outright marketing deceit and then the successive insults to my intelligence that followed crapped on what could have been. I'm ticked because they tried to sell me something they never meant to deliver. This is a relatively short campaign stuffed with tedious running and blatantly obvious filler designed solely to waste our time and attempt to bamboozle us into thinking we have meaningful content when all we have is content - and then they pretty much lied about it and its intentions and they thought we'd all be so stupid as to not remember that nothing truly vanishes in the Information Age. "PC for/by/because PC" was never true. Blaming this company's blatant shortcomings on me as a customer and fan is not a way to endear yourself to my money or regard. I take that kinda poorly, y'know?

 

Quality speaks for itself and EA is too busy blathering its tired crap over it for it to be heard.  Think of what this game could have been.  Think of actual tough and challenging moral choices, comments on belief and faith and its power, or the ethics of pretending to be what you aren't - this they could have presented us with instead of an Avaar Goat Flinger or Bimbo-In-A-Box.  But meaningful and tough would have taken guts and the willingness to generate a little controversy.  Legit reasons to give this game awards.  Can't have that.  Might 'trigger' a cretin or two.

 

One example - all those elves you run across in those endless jogs - what were they?  Nobodies.  Not Briala's agents.  Not agents of some game-spanning plot that tied into Halamarammadingdong that gave the elves more substance than whiny semi-deluded victims and critters for Solas to poo-poo over.  Not some nice long detecting by the Inquisitor that led to something that would have affected the rest of the game.  No, we got chasing hallas, picking elfroot and a timed mission with bondage gags and "Jablowme' jokes whose only outcome affected a slide at the end.  How long to model and place all those krogan heads for a joke most people missed because they were too busy running around trying to beat that stupid 'court approval' timer?

 

Whoopee-eff'n-doo.  Clever it ain't.

 

There it comes, faintly in the background:  "It's all about money and allocation of resources!"

 

Let me put it this way:  if you can scatter booze bottles, near-useless shards and meaningless mosaic pieces all over, if you could have given me the runaround with watchtowers and a racing minigame,  pointless star puzzles and fetchy-de-ring quests, a gag about banging some ol' lady to help Josie (hilarious and not insulting at all),  you could have damn-well skipped that useless crap and gave us more story.  You could have made our Inquisitor's stumble from Haven into the snowy night something filled with dread and wolves and surviving really angry red templars hunting survivors instead of three scenes of looking over their shoulder and trudging through snow.  I do that just going to the store and it's as dramatic. 

 

You could have easily passed on the 'inspirational' musical number and given us a sense of real desperation instead of a stupid interlude from Medieval Glee and a cutscene that conveniently handed us a handy-dandy-elfy-super-awesome-fortress without a shred of effort on our part - so spare me any arguments about time and resources.  They don't wash.  Give me a short game with stuff I could care about, get involved in, over a 100 hour pointless slog any damn day.  You can have my money then.  You'd have earned it.

 

So, if giving a damn and refusing to settle for overpriced mediocrity - and calling people on their empty crap - makes me a lunatic then I'm a raving one and proud of it.

 

There.  'Noob' drama and hysterics for the 1337's to snicker over, whatever the F that's supposed to mean.

[CatatonicMan]

Huh, I never would have thought to say that.  Nice!

 

To the two posters, short history of this thread:

 

1. Started by Bio for purpose of obtaining concerns from PC players

2. PC players quite reasonably and amicably provide a bunch of useful info in a rational and seemingly calm manner

3. Bio largely "seemingly" ignores said advice

4. Bio stops posting completely

5. The lunatics start taking over the asylum 

6. By around page 350 or 400 , takeover complete pretty well guaranteeing no additional Bio participation (then again Bio has been very silent on all aspects of this forum)

7. Post page 400, said lunatics use this thread as a "swearing tree" to vent frustration and anger

8. And here we are...

 

Hope you guys don't mind me calling you (and me) lunatics, after all, the definition of insanity is to continue doing the same thing expecting different results.  :=)

 

The problem is that we've pretty much exhausted all the constructive input at this point. Unless and/or until Bioware does something worth commenting on, there's very little we can talk about that hasn't already been beaten to death.

 

They know what we want; all we can do is wait and see what comes.

 

As a sidenote, I feel that not commenting at all would give the impression that we're gone, which wouldn't be helpful in the least. Thus all the extraneous commentary.

 

Of course, I'm not sure that any of this is actually doing much of anything, so there's that.

[DarkAmaranth1966]

*shrug* at least "we" haven't decided the beta testers are to blame too..... YET. *Runs for cover while attempting to remove the beta label from my back.*

[Errationatus]

*shrug* at least "we" haven't decided the beta testers are to blame too..... YET. *Runs for cover while attempting to remove the beta label from my back.*

No reason to blame the beta-testers for anything.  At least you folks are doing something, however ultimately futile EA could conceivably make it  You all have my sincere thanks for your time and efforts.

[KilrB]

*shrug* at least "we" haven't decided the beta testers are to blame too..... YET. *Runs for cover while attempting to remove the beta label from my back.*

 

Blame the beta testers?

 

They are the only ones here who are demonstrably trying to make DA:I better.

 

I just can't shake the feeling that EAware is using you, the beta testers, to pacify us and has no real intention to carry through.

[Dinkledorf]

Oh for sure, the vast majority (if not in its entirety) of the feedback was given in the first, what, maybe 20 pages or so.  One of the key turning points I think may have been when it was disclosed that QA used controllers for testing (not that this was not guessed) which just adds salt to the "PC game made for PC Gamers by PC Gamers" wound as Errationatus points out.

 

Anyways, its tough to sum up 623 pages over the span of 4+ months.  This thread might make for a great psych study thesis some day, PR gone just ... bad. 

 

Edit: too many mistakes

[DarkAmaranth1966]

Blame the beta testers?

 

They are the only ones here who are demonstrably trying to make DA:I better.

 

I just can't shake the feeling that EAware is using you, the beta testers, to pacify us and has no real intention to carry through.

That has not proven to be the case so far. As more things we test are released, the picture will get clearer. I expect it to be good, but only time will tell for sure.

[KilrB]

That has not proven to be the case so far. As more things we test are released, the picture will get clearer. I expect it to be good, but only time will tell for sure.

 

Their time is fast running out, May 19th approaches ...

[DavianBurke]

Been away for a couple days. Had a question... seen some comments on this sprinkled throughout and am not sure why exactly but... 

 

What's the hate on the inclusion of same-sex relationships? I'm a straight male (First game romanced all the ladies through my playthroughs, Isabelle in DA2, Ashley and Miranda in ME, and Cassandra in DA:I) but I've never had an issue with the inclusion of same sex relationships. There was one time, in DA2 where I didn't notice the speech selection I used on Anders had a giant heart on it... but that had no further bearing as I never hearted him again. 

 

Yet I've seen some pretty harsh comments out there and the odd nudge in here. 

 

Ironically, what annoys me isn't the inclusion of homosexuals, but the widespread criticism of "but I want to romance xxxxx but s/he only likes boys/girls/elves" and then using mods to force it. 

 

The way I see it, the characters in the game have a certain integrity in their character as written. Like real people, they have their own sexuality and preferences within it. I find using a mod to force a straight character gay or a gay character straight to be FAR more offensive than the inclusion of a gay or trans character... as such an inclusion isn't offensive at all. 

Sure, if they forced a specific sexuality on my PC I would be miffed if it wasn't what I wanted to roleplay. Yet they don't. 

[DarkAmaranth1966]

Been away for a couple days. Had a question... seen some comments on this sprinkled throughout and am not sure why exactly but... 

 

What's the hate on the inclusion of same-sex relationships? I'm a straight male (First game romanced all the ladies through my playthroughs, Isabelle in DA2, Ashley and Miranda in ME, and Cassandra in DA:I) but I've never had an issue with the inclusion of same sex relationships. There was one time, in DA2 where I didn't notice the speech selection I used on Anders had a giant heart on it... but that had no further bearing as I never hearted him again. 

 

Yet I've seen some pretty harsh comments out there and the odd nudge in here. 

 

Ironically, what annoys me isn't the inclusion of homosexuals, but the widespread criticism of "but I want to romance xxxxx but s/he only likes boys/girls/elves" and then using mods to force it. 

 

The way I see it, the characters in the game have a certain integrity in their character as written. Like real people, they have their own sexuality and preferences within it. I find using a mod to force a straight character gay or a gay character straight to be FAR more offensive than the inclusion of a gay or trans character... as such an inclusion isn't offensive at all. 

Sure, if they forced a specific sexuality on my PC I would be miffed if it wasn't what I wanted to roleplay. Yet they don't. 

I don't have a problem with it either but, I think the issues with it are the same reasons some people don't want to see an LGBT Teacher or Scout Leader, or any other profession that they or their family might have to interact with.

 

As strange as it sounds, there are still people in this world that think seeing it, hearing about it, or knowing someone who is LGBT can make them or their kids LGBT and, that includes having it presented in a game or other media as anything but an abhorrent, evil, bad, terrible thing about the character or person.

 

Anyone with any sense SHOULD know better but, old, ingrained, hammered into the heads thinking dies hard in some areas of the world. (where I live as  a member of the ONLY family in town that has members who are openly LGBT for one.)

 

Then there are those that think that because it's a game, it should cater to their personal enjoyment, so every character should be L,G, B or, T or straight just because that's what they want to play and, they want to romance every one of them their way. Some have a hard time playing a character that does not share their orientation, just like some can't play a character that isn't the same gender as they are in real life.