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[Sartoz]

@ DavianBurke

They fix something, but not in the way one prefers, or would have done themselves. Got it....

 

Hmm.

 

So, we have a four wheel car with one square wheel. The fix? Put in an octagonal wheel.  It's fixed but not the way I prefer because what? It's less bumpy? Astonishing!

 

Here is an educational video on advertising and actual "delivery" of said commitment.

 

http://www.ebaumswor...watch/84536561/

[Sartoz]

This is indicative of the problem with the DA team, as game designers they are unable to look at gameplay mechanics and properly assess whether they fit the type of games the DA series is. And even if they do see the issues they are unable to overcome them in the design or coding.

 

To paraphrase they don't know their own limitations.

So, now that Edmonton is helping out the Montreal Studio with ME4, do we still have anything to worry about?  I'd say no, if the Edmonton Studio keeps its mitts off the PC UI

[Vengfull]

DAI (Made by console gamers for console gamers!) Rest in pieces DA.

Notice how quiet Bioware has become.

Note: Never pre ordering again.

[Vengfull]

ME one was great ME2 was great ME3 was good except the end lol.

If you are a ME4 Dev......Run...You among the console kings.....run don't look back because if you do, you'll turn into stone and then ME4 will crumble into dust and sand.

Yes I am mad.....I really would like my money back from DAI and have had no answer from you guys. Just being ignored after you pocket our money.
Either my money back or make it playable like DA or DA2.

[Cobwebmaster]

Patches have addressed quite a lot; recommend sifting thru them to see if some issue has been fixed. And appearances, UI appeal, and movement preferences are all subjective to the Player, so fixes may not be coming for these; uncertain.

 

The way these patches have been presented by Bioware/Ea reads like a list of corrections by inexperienced programmers to code they wrote in a storage facility under a stairwell. Programming in isolation is akin to having a one legged man in an ass kicking contest. There seems to be no management of these "corrections" at all! It just seems a mad rush to fix something that were it validated by someone who knew what the end product should look like having made similar errors in the past, we would never have seen them in the game. This is not Bioware programming of old and reeks of low cost production methodology

[Cobwebmaster]

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My personal preferences in no particular order

 

1. http://www.techspot.com/

2. http://www.hardwarecanucks.com/

3. http://www.hardocp.com/

4. http://www.techradar...us/pro/hardware

5. http://www.anandtech.com/

 

Some of these sites providing in-depth tech details that I find interesting (I took electronics in college) but not necessarily useful to people who want someone else to tell them what is "best".  Best can be subjective at times.

 

For example:

Anandtech from time to time provides a PC System Buyers' Guides  for low-entry, budget systems, mid-range, high-range and HTPC setups. The discerning eye, however, will reveal that the high-end have GPUs and SSDs components that make up for about half the total cost of the system and is the "real" difference between a Mid and High-end desktops.

 

In my case I never needed GPUs that can heat my house in the winter. So, I look at the mid-to-high for my CPU, mid for my motherboard and what I see as a reasonable choice for my GPU which normally is  a low end from the MID-range scale. Basically I maximize my components where needed. From a gaming perspective, this practice has served me well.

 

Thus, my hardware cycle is 5-6 years, though my OS is nearly ten.  I used XP for so long that I bypassed Vista and years later installed Win 7. I plan to use 7 until forced to do otherwise. Windows 10, as I understand it, requires that you create a Microsoft account for activation and the same account will be used when you buy from their Store of which  3rd party apps must go through for "validation" reasons and for Microsoft to get a "cut" of the action..

Thanks. Already use one or two of those sites myself. Will check out the others. I find Tom's Hardware in the UK a useful reference over here too. I have a similar attitude towards my upgrade criteria for a PC

Sadly I got conned into the DirectX10 thing and went from XP to Vista only to kick myself repeatedly until Win7 came along. Can't make my mind up which I hated most VISTA or WIN95 for conning me out of a perfectly good 32 bit file system in Win 3.11 for a mostly 16 bit one in 95

 

[Elhanan]

Hmm.
 
So, we have a four wheel car with one square wheel. The fix? Put in an octagonal wheel.  It's fixed but not the way I prefer because what? It's less bumpy? Astonishing!
 
Here is an educational video on advertising and actual "delivery" of said commitment.
 
http://www.ebaumswor...watch/84536561/

I am Techless, but gaming experience does not have me expecting a bug fix to redress, replenish, or heal a PC after the bug has occurred; simply fixed it from happening again. Perhaps cars and wheels has nothing to do with it.

Edit: Will pre-order as desired; DA2, Skyrim, SWTOR, and DAI have all been great purchases for myself. However, I chose to wait on ME3 due to advanced info, and most games are purchased after release.

[Sartoz]

I am Techless, but gaming experience does not have me expecting a bug fix to redress, replenish, or heal a PC after the bug has occurred; simply fixed it from happening again. Perhaps cars and wheels has nothing to do with it.

Edit: Will pre-order as desired; DA2, Skyrim, SWTOR, and DAI have all been great purchases for myself. However, I chose to wait on ME3 due to advanced info, and most games are purchased after release.

 

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You keep saying your'e Techless. Fine, I accept that statement.

 

Here is the thing about being Techless, if I understand your meaning.

 

An Analogy Example:

You want to go to the airport which is near the outskirts of the city and you are in the 23rd floor of a downtown office building. You want directions (ie: a game). I give you directions to go there. I say to you (ie: the game):

 

1. Get to the hall and take the elevator down to the main floor.

2. Turn right and got outside to the sidewalk and find the blue beetle next to the lamp post.

3, Take the car and drive straight until you reach St. Antoine st.

4. Turn left at St. Antoine st. and take Martind RD. north.

5. Continue north until you reach the entrance to the Hwy 56 North bound and take it

6. Continue on the hwy and follow the airport signs when you see them.

7. Then at the airport go to Terminal 8

 

You smile because you understand the instructions and are happy that you are able to get there (ie: play the game)

 

Ooops a bug....

 #5 should read Hwy 56 West bound. So, according to you, the "problem" is fixed when I correct the instruction to say "hwy 56 West bound" ... and happily you  go to the airport unaware that there is a better way to get there(ie: play the game) .

 

Ok, here is what I expect you to say to me, from the downtown 23rd floor office building, when I ask how to get to the airport.

 

"Sartoz", you say, "it's simple. Take a taxi!" ... which is what the complaints about the PC UI is all about.

 

That, I believe, is the difference between us.

[Sylveria_Relden]

At least Zenimax has learned the differences between consoles and PC's as well as input controllers vs keyboards/mice...

 

Here's a post from the latest "Ask Us Anything" forum interaction (where they actually communicate with their customers- instead of ignoring them and hyping advertising on Twitter, etc.)

 

http://forums.elders...Comment_1717827

 

Of key interest is this answer in particular- which I've bolded for emphasis - this is the mistake Bioware made with Inquisition...

Resipsa131 - Will we be able to use emotes on the console? I can't live without my /leanbackcoin.
Yes, just like in the PC version of ESO:TU, players will be able to use emotes in the console version using a new interface designed with the gamepad in mind.

[Elhanan]

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You keep saying your'e Techless. Fine, I accept that statement.
 
Here is the thing about being Techless, if I understand your meaning.
 
An Analogy Example:
You want to go to the airport which is near the outskirts of the city and you are in the 23rd floor of a downtown office building. You want directions (ie: a game). I give you directions to go there. I say to you (ie: the game):
 
1. Get to the hall and take the elevator down to the main floor.
2. Turn right and got outside to the sidewalk and find the blue beetle next to the lamp post.
3, Take the car and drive straight until you reach St. Antoine st.
4. Turn left at St. Antoine st. and take Martind RD. north.
5. Continue north until you reach the entrance to the Hwy 56 North bound and take it
6. Continue on the hwy and follow the airport signs when you see them.
7. Then at the airport go to Terminal 8
 
You smile because you understand the instructions and are happy that you are able to get there (ie: play the game)
 
Ooops a bug....
 #5 should read Hwy 56 West bound. So, according to you, the "problem" is fixed when I correct the instruction to say "hwy 56 West bound" ... and happily you  go to the airport unaware that there is a better way to get there(ie: play the game) .
 
Ok, here is what I expect you to say to me, from the downtown 23rd floor office building, when I ask how to get to the airport.
 
"Sartoz", you say, "it's simple. Take a taxi!" ... which is what the complaints about the PC UI is all about.
 
That, I believe, is the difference between us.

Not really; seems more like the tourist who asks for directions and is told to go down the road until he sees a yellow tractor. When asked what should he do if the yellow tractor is gone, the local says to turn there anyway, or he'll miss it.

I accept that a bug fix repairs the bug; does not return all the equipment, so I return to a prior Save and continue play. If others wish to complain and continue to wait for a fix that will re-dress the later character, that is up to them, but I prefer to actually play the game.

[DavianBurke]

@Elhanan

To try to sum up my entire explanation of the issues to the single point I made about the voice bug in such a snide "Oh so you don't like HOW they fixed it because it didn't fit YOUR standard" manner is, to put it mildly, lame rhetoric. 

 

I tried to explain to you, based on your supposed lack of knowledge as to why people seem to see "glaring errors" that you do not, the issues that people are having. I could have listed many more but stuck to a few that are recurrent and strictly an EAWare issue (so not the crashes that are supposedly the fault of video drivers despite this being the ONLY game such crashes are occurring on). 

 

I also, in the interest of keeping this a civil discussion and not "toxic" as the kids say, left out the "fixes" that were made that didn't actually fix anything wrong with the game from the perspective of the community at the expense of fixing issues that were. While I've never used an exploit in DA:I it seems many people did so to cut down on the time sink of collection. And EAWare, in what can only be described as a panicked seizure at the thought of their "time played" stats going down, "fixed" that bug that did nothing to negatively affect gameplay rather than correct a literal list of dozens of issues players are actually having. 

Not a single patch has been released without something else going wrong. Whether that's up to my standards or anyone else's isn't the point. Objectively (that word you're fond of) they are not doing a good job patching their game that is objectively not working as well as any of their previous releases. 

 

The thing is that you have no way of convincing anybody here that the game as is... is fine. With the exception of you and the random pop in, people are coming to this thread to convene and gather in one place the issues they are having that is preventing them from enjoying the game as well as you say you have. EAWare doesn't need, want, or require a champion to hold back the horde. They need to listen and adjust if they want to keep their consumers happy. If they don't, we won't be, and that will have an effect on their bottom line. Regardless of what you have to say about it. 

So, why are you acting like a tapeworm? You've said your piece, repeatedly. You've shown your disdain and disrespect of those people that have legitimate complaints about the product they purchased not meeting the expectations as promised and advertised. What is it about this thread that brings you here? What void in your life is there that you come here, knowing you have no objective reason to actually be in this thread? If you enjoy the community and discourse I'd understand. It's why I keep coming back. I've said my piece hundreds of pages ago and came back only to check for progress. Enough time has gone on that now I come back to see what others have to say about the ongoing issues we share (that you do not) and because we've been discussing the old, recent, and soon to be released titles that DO meet expectations. 

 

We also lament the loss of the amazing studio that was once BioWare Edmonton. 

I was born here in Edmonton. I feel this loss keenly. A source of pride in my city has been lost, as badly as the pride lost by our now Junior level hockey team. I have friends that have worked at BioWare. I've heard some "can't be cited as anything but heresay so cannot repeat" stories both good and bad from the before and after EA periods. I've personally attended launch parties for 3 of their major releases, all 3 as a staff member of the venue, and 2 of those after shift as a guest. I've attended multiple local presentations and game testings. I damn well loved that studio. And they have fallen. 

I come here because this thread is the damn wake. 

[Sylveria_Relden]

*snipped to conserve screen real-estate, not at all to detract from content*

 

@DavianBurke - I'd give your post 100 "likes" if I could. Well written and well said!

[Archerwarden]

Well credit where credit is due: Thank You for fixing the ranged character AI a bit, able to bring Varric along which is very nice- truly.


But the patch that was suppose to fix the non banter banter bug didn't. Oh and still not much music.


And somehow the last patch fixed my disappearing equipped armor at least for now but also disappeared Iron Bull completely from the game. He is nowhere to be found. I suppose that doesn't really matter since last PT his Storm Coast dialog was glitched and he repeated it for the entire game.

The wonders and surprises the game brings still after 5 months will never cease.

Okay, back to POE

[GithCheater]

Perhaps I am not the one wearing shaded glasses, as the errors may not be as glaring as some suppose....

 

Too many people in this topic wear their sunglasses at night.

 

How else can one conclude that DA2 is better than DAI?

 

Evidently the glossy lips in DAI outweigh the parachuting enemies, reused maps and lack of a tactical camera in DA2.

 

Tnere are two good books (see below references after the following list of cognitive distortions) for all those who lack perspective and the ability to think without cognitive dissonance.

 

http://psychcentral....ortions/0002153

 

Cognitive Distortions

 

Aaron Beck first proposed the theory behind cognitive distortions and David Burns was responsible for popularizing it with common names and examples for the distortions.

 

1. Filtering.

 

We take the negative details and magnify them while filtering out all positive aspects of a situation. For instance, a person may pick out a single, unpleasant detail and dwell on it exclusively so that their vision of reality becomes darkened or distorted.

 

2. Polarized Thinking (or “Black and White” Thinking).

 

In polarized thinking, things are either “black-or-white.” We have to be perfect or we’re a failure — there is no middle ground. You place people or situations in “either/or” categories, with no shades of gray or allowing for the complexity of most people and situations. If your performance falls short of perfect, you see yourself as a total failure.

 

3. Overgeneralization.

 

In this cognitive distortion, we come to a general conclusion based on a single incident or a single piece of evidence. If something bad happens only once, we expect it to happen over and over again. A person may see a single, unpleasant event as part of a never-ending pattern of defeat.

 

4. Jumping to Conclusions.

 

Without individuals saying so, we know what they are feeling and why they act the way they do. In particular, we are able to determine how people are feeling toward us.

 

For example, a person may conclude that someone is reacting negatively toward them but doesn’t actually bother to find out if they are correct. Another example is a person may anticipate that things will turn out badly, and will feel convinced that their prediction is already an established fact.

 

5. Catastrophizing.

 

We expect disaster to strike, no matter what. This is also referred to as “magnifying or minimizing.” We hear about a problem and use what if questions (e.g., “What if tragedy strikes?” “What if it happens to me?”).

 

For example, a person might exaggerate the importance of insignificant events (such as their mistake, or someone else’s achievement). Or they may inappropriately shrink the magnitude of significant events until they appear tiny (for example, a person’s own desirable qualities or someone else’s imperfections).

 

With practice, you can learn to answer each of these cognitive distortions.

6. Personalization.

 

Personalization is a distortion where a person believes that everything others do or say is some kind of direct, personal reaction to the person. We also compare ourselves to others trying to determine who is smarter, better looking, etc.

 

A person engaging in personalization may also see themselves as the cause of some unhealthy external event that they were not responsible for. For example, “We were late to the dinner party and caused the hostess to overcook the meal. If I had only pushed my husband to leave on time, this wouldn’t have happened.”

 

7. Control Fallacies.

 

If we feel externally controlled, we see ourselves as helpless a victim of fate. For example, “I can’t help it if the quality of the work is poor, my boss demanded I work overtime on it.” The fallacy of internal control has us assuming responsibility for the pain and happiness of everyone around us. For example, “Why aren’t you happy? Is it because of something I did?”

 

8. Fallacy of Fairness.

 

We feel resentful because we think we know what is fair, but other people won’t agree with us. As our parents tell us when we’re growing up and something doesn’t go our way, “Life isn’t always fair.” People who go through life applying a measuring ruler against every situation judging its “fairness” will often feel badly and negative because of it. Because life isn’t “fair” — things will not always work out in your favor, even when you think they should.

 

9. Blaming.

 

We hold other people responsible for our pain, or take the other track and blame ourselves for every problem. For example, “Stop making me feel bad about myself!” Nobody can “make” us feel any particular way — only we have control over our own emotions and emotional reactions.

 

10. Shoulds.

 

We have a list of ironclad rules about how others and we should behave. People who break the rules make us angry, and we feel guilty when we violate these rules. A person may often believe they are trying to motivate themselves with shoulds and shouldn’ts, as if they have to be punished before they can do anything.

 

For example, “I really should exercise. I shouldn’t be so lazy.” Musts and oughts are also offenders. The emotional consequence is guilt. When a person directs should statements toward others, they often feel anger, frustration and resentment.

 

11. Emotional Reasoning.

 

We believe that what we feel must be true automatically. If we feel stupid and boring, then we must be stupid and boring. You assume that your unhealthy emotions reflect he way things really are — “I feel it, therefore it must be true.”

 

12. Fallacy of Change.

 

We expect that other people will change to suit us if we just pressure or cajole them enough. We need to change people because our hopes for happiness seem to depend entirely on them.

 

13. Global Labeling.

 

We generalize one or two qualities into a negative global judgment. These are extreme forms of generalizing, and are also referred to as “labeling” and “mislabeling.” Instead of describing an error in context of a specific situation, a person will attach an unhealthy label to themselves.

 

For example, they may say, “I’m a loser” in a situation where they failed at a specific task. When someone else’s behavior rubs a person the wrong way, they may attach an unhealthy label to him, such as “He’s a real jerk.” Mislabeling involves describing an event with language that is highly colored and emotionally loaded. For example, instead of saying someone drops her children off at daycare every day, a person who is mislabeling might say that “she abandons her children to strangers.”

 

14. Always Being Right.

 

We are continually on trial to prove that our opinions and actions are correct. Being wrong is unthinkable and we will go to any length to demonstrate our rightness. For example, “I don’t care how badly arguing with me makes you feel, I’m going to win this argument no matter what because I’m right.” Being right often is more important than the feelings of others around a person who engages in this cognitive distortion, even loved ones.

 

15. Heaven’s Reward Fallacy.

 

We expect our sacrifice and self-denial to pay off, as if someone is keeping score. We feel bitter when the reward doesn’t come.

 

?So now that you know what cognitive distortions are, how do you go about undoing them? Read how in Fixing Cognitive Distortions.

 

References:

 

Beck, A. T. (1976). Cognitive therapies and emotional disorders. New York: New American Library.

 

Burns, D. D. (1980). Feeling good: The new mood therapy. New York: New American Library.

[Sylveria_Relden]

Thanks for proving your own point with the opening of your own post you state:

(#3 and #11 apply here respectively)

 

"Too many people in this topic wear their sunglasses at night."

 

Attempted psychoanalysis and labeling of the CONCERNED PC users (which I believe is what this thread was intended for) in this thread isn't going to polish the absolute turd the game was released as. You can dissent as much as you want to, try to counter points, attempts at invalidation, apologize for Bioware's outright lies and false advertisements, lack of communication with customers, and other oddities. At the end of the day- we still have valid points that haven't been addressed.

 

Spreading misinformation, attempts at misdirection and propaganda does not "truth" make. A simple "change in perspective" doesn't change cold hard facts, either.

 

*buzzer sounds* Nice try, though- I give you props for at least researching what you're talking about- even if it doesn't apply to the current situation here.

 

Sure, there's a lot of "good" in the game- but that's not what this thread was created for. Try reading the thread title again, and then tell me why we should accept those who come into this forum attempting to invalidate their points and saying everyone's just being "negative", etc.

[GithCheater]

Turd?

 

Isn't that a bit over the top for the 2014 game of the year?

[Sylveria_Relden]

Even though your response is yet another attempt at misdirection, I'll at least humor you with a response.

 

Most of the "2014 Game of the Year" reviews were performed by PAID reviewers. Yet we're supposed to believe they are neutral in essence, fair in value and accept their opinions as "gospel"? Just like I haven't seen one video of the developers using a keyboard and mouse to play DA:I but we're supposed to believe it was designed for PC?

 

Everyone is entitled to their own subjective opinions- even you. But again, that doesn't change the cold hard facts there are glaring issues with this game in regard to PC Users.

 

I've still yet to see you "counter" that in any way, other than spewing nonsensical psychoanalysis and attempting to invalidate people's opinions.

[Morroian]

 

Too many people in this topic wear their sunglasses at night.

 

How else can one conclude that DA2 is better than DAI?

 

6 play throughs of DA2 compared to 1 of DAI thats how I conclude its better to me.

[Sylveria_Relden]

I'd like to clarify a few things for those who don't know me in this forum- if anything, I think most who've been around a while would agree I've always attempted to be a "voice of reason" here. (please by all means, feel free to correct me) I keep it factual, I don't try to "invalidate" the opinions of others- I accept they have an opinion but I've always stayed focused with voicing concerns as being factual and not merely subjective. I consider myself to stand together with those who have concerns as well, and I simply won't tolerate those who troll this thread.

 

Coming into this thread if you don't have a legitimate PC concern, or at least an attempt at constructive criticism to counter our concerns, you're (in my opinion) either an apologist or a thread troll attempting to invalidate the opinions or concerns of others. You have a right to share your opinion, by all means- you don't have a right to attempt to invalidate others' by trying to demonize us for being concerned customers who have just as much stake in this game as you.

 

Come in and share your opinion, by all means. Once you've done so, you should have no problems with declaring your intent moving forward. So what is your intent?