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#1726
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We are doing our best to address these issues and concerns. Please understand that fixing and implementing these things takes time, as all things do. Until the patches are finalized, I'm afraid it would be a disservice to both the community and our developers if I were to provide incomplete information. Our team is hard at work as we speak, and we will provide an update once we have finalized information.

 

I think we can all acknowledge the fact that this post is an epic win B)


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Not to mention that patches of any kind are difficult to ETA. If they'd said last week that it would be ready by today and there wasn't a link at 12:01am, there would be even more call for heads to roll. The only thing that's really getting me bent out of shape in this thread is the ferocity with which the devs have been attacked. I mean, they said they'd address the concerns so that's what they'll do and are doing, per additional dev posts. In other words, it'll get done when it's done.

 

Look, its one thing if the game was buggy/glitchy, its another where its glaring design decisions that are completely anti keyboard and mouse and what was advertised. Anyone with a brain who played this before launch would know the issues, so either they knew them or they didn't give two shits about them. Criticizing != attacking/harassment, people nowadays completely fail to make the distinction.


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htp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n0D48VeegOg

 

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DA: Inquisition - Beautiful plummage.

 

One of my favorites :)


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The problem is they advertised it like "Game from PC gamers to PC gamers' and "We are getting back to our RPG roots', so a lot of people that Loved the first DAO pre-ordered and with right are furious cause it was blatlant LIE. If they had said "Look it's made for consoles', me and a lot of the people here who were expecting TRUE RPG thanks to their Lies, wouldn't have bought it and wouldn't now flood the forums....

Yep. Bioware said that they were returning to their roots and promised that Dragon Age: Inquisition would have deep RPG mechanics and deep tactical combat. In truth Bioware just completely mutilated the Dragon Age franchise by turning it into a shallow single player MMO with button mashing combat.


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#1730
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Nah, knowing that stuff is being worked on, the acknowledgement and getting the Kb + m stuff fixed , the tac cam fixed is good enough for me. Aside from those things I could enjoy DA:I.

 

It wouldn't be exactly what I would have preferred in a computer RPG, but I could enjoy it a lot more. 

 

This is exactly where I am at.

 

I know they will not fix each and every single issue, but from everything that's been posted here over the past week, him saying they are "aware" of the feedback means they will be addressing this stuff.  It's pretty clear.

 

I just hope now the patch is released within the next couple days.
 


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#1731
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Are thing slooking grim for Inquisition PC? Sure...sure...but look at the brightside as soon as next year come we got WITCHER 3!!! From a studio that actually cares about its PC pc customers! WOOOOOO!! WITCHER 3!!!

 And you don't think Bioware care? I know Cd project red has done some amazing things for their fans, but that goes for Bioware aswel. Years of entertainment and they do listen. Things take time. If you absolutely has to blame anyone, then blame EA.



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Look, its one thing if the game was buggy/glitchy, its another where its glaring design decisions that are completely anti keyboard and mouse and what was advertised. Anyone with a brain who played this before launch would know the issues, so either they knew them or they didn't give two shits about them. Criticizing != attacking/harassment, people nowadays completely fail to make the distinction.

 

My hope is they knew, and a 'plan B' pc ui was already being developed and was ready to be rolled into the first patch.

 

That is what I hope, because to really turn this around, a sizable change will be needed.


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#1733
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I absolutely recognize the concerns of this community. I am also asking that people please respect the developers who work for this company and understand that there are right and wrong ways to interact with your fellow human beings. Absolutely you have a right to voice concerns to the company as a customer, and there are a number of channels through which you can do that.

However, any sort of concerted campaign or call to arms that could result in the harassment of anyone (whether it's a dev or member of the public) is not appropriate. These aren't monsters or unfeeling automatons you are dealing with -- they are people, same as you. Going after someone's personal Twitter (or other) account is not the best or most appropriate way to voice these concerns.

 

Given how we've been treated so far (read lied to by people bullshitting about "caring for PC gamers"), more then one Person has lined themselves up to have their personal integrity questioned, and since your PR guys obviously decided twitter and social media in general are fair game for spouting propaganda, responses through those channels should be expected.

 

Deciding that marketing via twitter is fine but feedback is not because it invades personal space is a rather two-faced approach.


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Wow, Unity and FC4 have already four patches released, I know that Unity is even buggier that DAI but still..



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I mean what happened to the old classic right click a chest or lootable object and your character runs to it to loot it??

 

This is exactly one of the things that are not really a negative, it is very subjective. Having to physically control your character and walk to the objects using WASD for example is easily way more immersive and benefits immersion, as opposed to having the convenience to just click and watch your character move by itself to interact.

 

I personally prefer to control my character when exploring and interacting rather than just click and watch while scratching my beard, not having much connection to what is happening. I was fine in Origins of course, it is preference though not a downside.

 

A lot of people prefer convenience and ease and don't like to put much effort tbh or want to do other things while playing ;d I like games that can hold and require more than 1% of my attention as in playing a game while drinking beer, eating chips and having a conversation with someone. ;d This is way off topic though


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#1736
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 Mike Laidlaw @Mike_Laidlaw
Tactical view force-centering when switching party members is a bug and will be addressed in the next patch. Continuing to monitor feedback.

 

what? I... I mean... how.... WHAT!?!??!?!

 

DID NOBODY PLAYTEST THIS ****** GAME ON PC!!!!!!!!!!!!!???????????

 

HOW could this slip past the beta-testers and QA? THIS IS ESSENTIAL! If I were the boss at bioware somebody would lose his job right about now!


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I absolutely recognize the concerns of this community. I am also asking that people please respect the developers who work for this company and understand that there are right and wrong ways to interact with your fellow human beings. Absolutely you have a right to voice concerns to the company as a customer, and there are a number of channels through which you can do that.

However, any sort of concerted campaign or call to arms that could result in the harassment of anyone (whether it's a dev or member of the public) is not appropriate. These aren't monsters or unfeeling automatons you are dealing with -- they are people, same as you. Going after someone's personal Twitter (or other) account is not the best or most appropriate way to voice these concerns.

Truth. 


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This is exactly one of the things that are not really a negative, it is very subjective. Having to physically control your character and walk to the objects using WASD for example is easily way more immersive and benefits immersion, as opposed to having the convenience to just click and watch your character move by itself to interact.

 

I personally prefer to control my character when exploring and interacting rather than just click and watch while scratching my beard, not having much connection to what is happening. I was fine in Origins of course, it is preference though not a downside.

 

A lot of people prefer convenience and ease and don't like to put much effort tbh or want to do other things while playing ;d I like games that can hold and require more than 1% of my attention as in playing a game while drinking beer, eating chips and having a conversation with someone. ;d This is way off topic though

If they just would add different controls like Classic: DA:O & Modern: DAI etc. Everyone would be happy. I like the direct control in DAI but i do miss the point and click at times, and i don't like how we attack on left mouse click. Hopefully this will be done once i'm at the second playthrough lol.


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#1739
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Truth. 

 

I like to read about it, too.


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Deciding that marketing via twitter is fine but feedback is not because it invades personal space is a rather two-faced approach.

 

This is a good point, but there is the matter of the 'kind' of feedback on social media that crosses the line which is unnecessary and not productive for anyone.

 

Yes, if there are claims made that you want to challenge, do it, but be smart, and use the logic already in place to question what's important.


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Conal,
 
You do realize this is a very unorthodox situation, don't you?  The reactions we are seeing to this release are not typical of a major game release, at least not in regards to an entire platform being affected to such a degree.

True, it's definitely not typical, but to be absolutely fair, it's not unheard of either, even at this altitude.

Skyrim had the Save-game bloat thing with PS3. That was a particularly nasty platform specific issue that caused literally MILLIONS of gamers to not be able to play the game for more than about 30 hours before their saves would get corrupted and the game would slow down to about 5-10 frames per second. And even worse, it took Bethesda 6 months to fix the problem.

Still, one doesn't excuse the other. Neither of these problems should ever be - mainly because we're not talking about Bugs. we're talking about plain old bad design.

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Not to mention that patches of any kind are difficult to ETA. 

 

I mean, they said they'd address the concerns

 

But are they also so difficult to identify? I mean some non-programming types (i.e. simple players) have identified boatloads of trouble from CTD to music not playing to possible design decision (Tac Cam).... Is it so difficult to identify what they are working to solve? What is not intended to be solved? To give a straight honest answer?  Is that part of what you are saying in your criticism?

 

So many concerns, to quote another poster here. Where is Bioware starting to fix this PC port to console back to PC?



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I absolutely recognize the concerns of this community. I am also asking that people please respect the developers who work for this company and understand that there are right and wrong ways to interact with your fellow human beings. Absolutely you have a right to voice concerns to the company as a customer, and there are a number of channels through which you can do that.
However, any sort of concerted campaign or call to arms that could result in the harassment of anyone (whether it's a dev or member of the public) is not appropriate. These aren't monsters or unfeeling automatons you are dealing with -- they are people, same as you. Going after someone's personal Twitter (or other) account is not the best or most appropriate way to voice these concerns.

 
reminds me of the south park clip of  BP saying we are sorry and we care


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After they fix the FPS drops and crashes, I'm waiting as PR something like " We did our best to fix the PC issues and answer the legimitate concerns of our beloved PC community. However we do consider that the UI and control work correctly and in no way prevent enjoying the game. That's how we meant the game to be played, any further complaint is a direct attack against our artistic integrity".


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From what I have read, I suppose I am one of the lucky ones.

I have only crashed a couple of times, and have been able to recover from them.

 

Usually the crashes occur when I am in a menu, or at the wartable.

Other UI responsiveness bugs occur as well, but if I alt-tab back and forth with the application, they tend to fix themselves.

I use WASD for movement, and F to interact, and R to swing my weapon. Which all seems to work fine with a little adaptation.

 

The ability to toggle mouselook instead of holding down the right mouse button would be a godsend though. (Can't stress that enough)

 

My sympathy goes to those that cannot play this amazing game, I feel that it was well worth the purchase aside from the minor complaints listed above.

I hope that BioWare develops a fix soon, but you must realize the sheer amount of hardware and software combinations that exist in the wild.

I know little about application development, and it sounds like a massive task to debug.

 

Good luck! Thank you for the update.


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True, it's definitely not typical, but to be absolutely fair, it's not unheard of either, even at this altitude.

Skyrim had the Save-game bloat thing with PS3. That was a particularly nasty platform specific issue that caused literally MILLIONS of gamers to not be able to play the game more than about 30 hours before their saves would get corrupted and the game would slow down to about 5-10 frames per second. And even worse, it took Bethesda 6 months to fix the problem.

Still, one doesn't excuse the other. Neither of these problems should ever be - mainly because we're not talking about Bugs. we're talking about plain old bad design.

 

Oh, I agree.  I was merely trying to appeal to his sense of the obvious.  This is quite a reaction, and to be in the middle of it sometimes you don't realize the degree.


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New Meme:

 

DA: Inquisition - Beautiful plummage.

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I absolutely recognize the concerns of this community. I am also asking that people please respect the developers who work for this company and understand that there are right and wrong ways to interact with your fellow human beings. Absolutely you have a right to voice concerns to the company as a customer, and there are a number of channels through which you can do that.

However, any sort of concerted campaign or call to arms that could result in the harassment of anyone (whether it's a dev or member of the public) is not appropriate. These aren't monsters or unfeeling automatons you are dealing with -- they are people, same as you. Going after someone's personal Twitter (or other) account is not the best or most appropriate way to voice these concerns.

Agreed, there's no place for harassment, however, you guys could have mitigated a lot of this by simply coming on the forums and talking to your customers. It's called public relations, its called customer service, and its not like you can't moderate if people get out of hand. The game has been out a week and nary a comment from you guys until now. I don't care if you gotta draw straws but get some people on here and interact with these forums. Spend a couple of weeks, I know its a pain but we all have to do things we don't like. It would go a long way to fostering a good relationship with your fans and also reduce some of the white noise. At the end of the day we're the ones that pay your bills so show us some love will ya?


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But are they also so difficult to identify? I mean some non-programming types (i.e. simple players) have identified boatloads of trouble from CTD to music not playing to possible design decision (Tac Cam).... Is it so difficult to identify what they are working to solve? What is not intended to be solved? To give a straight honest answer?  Is that part of what you are saying in your criticism?

 

So many concerns, to quote another poster here. Where is Bioware starting to fix this PC port to console back to PC?

 

They are identified. In the very first post in this thread.


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After they fix the FPS drops and crashes, I'm waiting as PR something like " We did our best to fix the PC issues and answer the legimitate concerns of our beloved PC community. However we do consider that the UI and control works correctly and in no way prevent enjoying the game. That's how we meant the game to be played, any further complaint is a direct attack against our artistic integrity".

if bioware trys to pull the artistic integrity card again, then they really didn't learn thing from the ME fisaco

all the good will and trust that bioware collected from pc gamer since baldur's gate is just going up in flames,

its like a firesale