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[Cobwebmaster]

Alright... I'll go ahead and slip in the poo.  Because there are issues you REALLY want to bring up and frankly I don't know why we are just dancing around the topic.  Just say your peace and be done.  Here is mine: 

 

As to the remarks.................................................................................... SHOULD be doing is coming together to play a game.

 A strong argument. I disagree that the Bioware fans left completely after the ending of ME3, as there was one option out of the three presented that was palatable. I would agree that trad Bioware groupies that use pcs might well have gone now having experienced DAI. I certainly have

The point about writing is that it is integral to immersive RPGs, and that many of us think that it should be of a high grade quality to get the most out of the experience whether it be for Romantic themes or simply one that examines relationships between comrades in arms before during and after battle. For action adventures like Half Life 2 and the excellent Skyrim etc the emphasis changes as they are not concerned with "party" tv soap style interaction between companions, henchmen, or whatever.

If Ehlanan had participated in the NWN discussion forums he would have noted that Priestly and others of Biowornout, paid close attention to writing issues and that on the romance thread particularly many constructive and helpful comments were made by modders, and others of which I was one. They marked the thread as "for future development" giving contributors  the impression that some of the suggestions were going to be taken forward and used in future Bioware games. This proved to be the case in both ME and DA. So they were listening then, but as you say, not now

Playing a game without a romance option in doesn't bother me at all, but it was Bioware that introduced them as a high grade quality product within another high grade quality product in the first place so why shouldn't they continue in the same vein? Skyrim doesn't have any such thing, just a hurried marriage ceremony, that gives the pc's partner a few cooking abilities and a convenience store. Works for me just as well and it the product still falls within the parameters of the standard description of RPGs

The purpose of this thread is not to change the minds of gamers but to impact on future decisions that EA and Bioware make about their game compilations and how they should be interacting with players feedback. I tend to agree that this is now a forlorn hope as far as pc users are concerned, but the point is this. If you are going to do something then do it well! Don't just throw a game out there with a descriptive label and some nice wrapping that does not reflect the contents of the package. That's the work of scam artists

It is Bioware that have changed the goalposts and taken the ball with them to a new league. It's not one that I'm going to play in as I don't like the rules, but as you and others have said, there are plenty out there that may

[TobyJake]

For me the romance option is very important. Origins without Leliana would be dull. I think the gifts route was a mistake however.

Almost finished HotU and there are romance options in that. I didn't play it for the romance however. It is part of the immersion.

That comes down to the writer. A well written romance is just as relevant as taking out the Arch Demon. That was the beauty of BG2 as you can see by my avatar.

You can dive into the deep roads and slaughter endless darkspawn, but where is the human interaction in that?

What I wanted in Origins was the opportunity to say "well done" after Morrigan, Leliana and Dog had done something effortlessly.

You should be playing in a team for god's sake, not a super hero with tag-a-longs.

I remember playing WoW: Burning Crusade. That required a team of five for dungeons. Then they dumbed it down for the kiddies. Same with DA2 and DA:I.

Sorry, I will stop bleating.

[Cobwebmaster]

For me the romance option is very important. Origins without Leliana would be dull. I think the gifts route was a mistake however.

Almost finished HotU and there are romance options in that. I didn't play it for the romance however. It is part of the immersion.

That comes down to the writer. A well written romance is just as relevant as taking out the Arch Demon. That was the beauty of BG2 as you can see by my avatar.

You can dive into the deep roads and slaughter endless darkspawn, but where is the human interaction in that?

What I wanted in Origins was the opportunity to say "well done" after Morrigan, Leliana and Dog had done something effortlessly.

You should be playing in a team for god's sake, not a super hero with tag-a-longs.

I remember playing WoW: Burning Crusade. That required a team of five for dungeons. Then they dumbed it down for the kiddies. Same with DA2 and DA:I.

Sorry, I will stop bleating.

All of the m/f romances in BG2 were well written as were those in NWN and HOTU (though no fade to black there on overnight bonding). Viconia's was star crossed as I knew it had to be but none the less immersive due to the quality of it's written and voice acted content. If there is a romance option within I game I will play it to get the feel of how it is handled within the overall game objectives, but if it isn't while I may feel a slight disappointment it would not affect how I feel about the game as a whole to the point where I would ask for one to be included

I agree there is a lot of dumbing down and I fail to see the reason for it! Kiddies are 12 years and above. !2 year olds fight in wars now, and in western society they did in the past. Teens are more intelligent and mature than anyone particularly Bioware and EA give them credit for and games like ME DA and BG were not aimed at the entry level teens but originally at the 15+ age groups

You bleat all you want

Lloth kyorl dos

[Dubya75]

Getting closer...

 

http://forum.bioware...4#entry18614152

 

Anybody have odds on this one?

 

I'm willing to bet an entire month's salary that we will not see any further improvements by the time this thread reaches 1000 pages, or 2000 for that matter.

[Amplitudelol]

If Pillars of Eternity had full voiceover and fancy graphics it would be superior in every aspect to Iqusition. Now its just simply superior. But its really hard to compare the 2. One is some sp mmorpg action game hybrid monstrosity of a console game ported to pc and the other one is a party based pc rpg made by pc gamers for pc gamers. At least party banter works. Its so funny Bioware claims its fixed but it is so not fixed ... To be honest the "fancyness" made Dragon Age Origins better than PoE for me. Still id rather buy a PoE expansion for the price of 2 Inquisition than waste more money and time on EA's Bioware consolware.

 

Dont expect anything from patch 7 btw (if you are still crazy enough to expect anything). Ive seen the patchnotes.

[Dubya75]

You know, for the last 10 days or so, I've seen people that have ZERO posts coming onto the forums and pretty much sharing their disappointment about the game. We're not a crazy few oddballs who don't get it. It's Bioware that doesn't get it or can't come up with solutions fast enough to make it right. 

 

Come on... they have to see the pattern and it's bad. Very bad. 

 

It would have been great if Bioflop did get it, but you only have to go look at their twitter posts to realize they really don't get it. At all!

 

 

"We look forward to seeing how even your tiniest decisions affect Thedas. Good luck with your 4th Inquisition!"

 

They do? Not in my game.

 

 

"The bear population is fine, Kit. We are more worried about the Dragons swooping down on us!"

 

Yeah shut up about the re-spawning bears issue, Kit! Lalalalala.....

 

 

"Thank you for the support. We are happy to see you enjoyed the game. Will you start a new playthrough with different choices now?"

 

What choices again?

 

 

"Not only a functional base of operations, Skyhold is also great for hanging out with your friends! "

 

Functional, you say? Please. Tell me more!

 

 

People at Bioware do not seem to have a firm grasp on reality.

[Harbinger1975]

Alright... I'll go ahead and slip in the poo.  Because there are issues you REALLY want to bring up and frankly I don't know why we are just dancing around the topic.  Just say your peace and be done.  Here is mine: 

 

As to the remarks you mentioned about "inclusion" and the efforts made for the romances to appeal to "as many people as possible".  As you said earlier, there are people that are simply trying to make the world a better place for all people.  Its why we are gentle and give out participation trophies, to the poor people that are simply not as good as others doing the same thing... who then get real trophies and real respect.

 

While it may indeed be a noble venture to do this in the real (we all want to feel special even though we aren't) world, where these problems occur, such as legal status regarding immigration, gay marriage, and such, you know - the issues you wanted to bring up, many people, (myself included) simply want nothing to do with it when it comes to our electronic entertainment.  Many of us deal with those concerns on a daily basis (again, like me) where discrimination can be a real thing.  A. REAL. THING... Not - if this game doesn't have a  100% reflection of my values (or a copy of what I believe!) its offensive.  After dealing with said events, we have no desire to engage with them here in our fiction that we consume to escape said realities.  We simply don't want to hear about it for a variety of reasons.

 

I am a PC player.  This is the PC concerns thread. This is one (1) of my concerns as a PC player about Dragon Age: Inquisition AND Bioware the company.

 

Until VERY recently, Bioware was a-political.  They simply made RPGs. The BEST RPGs.  They kept their nose out of real world dilemmas.  This is NOT a real life issue of GLBT characters.  The idea that Dragon Age: Inquistion has Bioware's first gay character is a MARKETING LIE meant to suck up dollars from ignorant saps who will run to a shop to purchase the game solely on the basis of support for their real world politics.  Its both laughable and sad, because they actually think buying this mediocre game will make an impact on their society. 

 

Everybody was fine with Bioware games.  We fell in love with the characters (even the gay ones!). Nobody clamored to remove said characters from Baulders Gate and others.  The problem arose with the collapse of Bioware's audience.  Yes...  It has to do with the ME3 ending.  It simply CANNOT be understated the outright damage that was caused by both the ending, but particularly by Bioware's response to their fans.

 

As we have rehashed adnauseum, the old fans are gone.  They left, and they aren't coming back.  The fanbase died.  This game, was an attempt to not only bring them back; but to also establish a NEW fanbase. ME4 is clearly trying to do something similar.  Bioware had no choice because they alienated themselves.  In terms of bringing back the old fans - they failed.  Half of the people on this very thread are the old fanbase that are lamenting that they are abandoned now.  Bioware only wants their money, and thats it.  What this game succeeded at, was creating a new audience.

 

The new audience is primarily composed of younger people that are political zealots.  They see the world and all things in it - including other people - as an extension of themselves.  This is why the characters and the story are watered down.  This is why the combat is watered down (we are all EQUALLY skilled after all).  You are not allowed to write a character that actually makes the player reflect on their own values.  Didn't it strike you as odd, that you can be hardcore anti-chantry, yet zealous templars and priests will offer little more than a whimper as you set about trashing the foundations of their society?  Whats worse, is that as you are doing it to their face, they walk away saying "Ah hes a great guy!  He'll come around-kinda-sorta-maybe- but it would be wrong to push him" when what they should have said is: "Wow, you really hate Andrastians...  I guess that makes you a bigot doesn't it". 

 

This is the audience Bioware went after.  I can't really blame them as they are much easier to write for. Their criticism extends solely to a sexuality or identity.  And as long as some one,  somewhere says that they feel "represented", that criticism falls and everyone shuts up... until someone says they didn't go far enough; then the cycle begins all over again.

 

They are easier to design for too, because instead of embracing the natural limitations or lack-there-of on certain systems, we can simply downgrade everybody!  Do you have a PC that can handle vastly more content than a last gen system?  TOO BAD!  All people are ENTITLED to the same game experience!  Down to the very controller in your hand...  God forbid you make controls for the PC that consolers cant use.  Equality. Yay....

 

Gaider and the writers can write whatever the hell they want.  Its their story, their game, their job.  And Im sure they feel good about it, along with the new audience.  As is their right to their own feelings.  Yes, we can all be united in a great crusade to change the minds of gamers everywhere.  Screw fun or drama.  But if they spend an inordinate amount of resources on said characters specifically for the sake of "inclusivity" and cut story and content because it all has to go to the characters and everyone that wants to bang them first, then I will happily call them out for crap design, and borderline intolerance of people that have the AUDACICTY to disagree with real life political issues..  When what we SHOULD be doing is coming together to play a game.

I am one of the "old guard", Gundar3.  Those that played nearly the earliest Bioware games (Baulder's Gate) and fell in love with their story telling.  I wish there was a word stronger than utter disappointment in how far Bioware has fallen.  In truth, as I've said many times before, the Bioware we use to know that gave us Baulder's Gate, KOTOR/KOTOR2, DA: Origins and Mass Effect 1 died the day EA bought them out.  EA is known as the "Franchise Killer".  They have destroyed franchises such as Sim City, Command and Conquer (I'll call obliteration on that one), and one game not many know about, an MMO made by Westwood Studioes called Earth and Beyond (it was an MMO that was never done before but had a VERY strong following.  Back then, MMO's weren't big, but the people they did have were very loyal).  We can now add Dragon Age into that and the ending of Mass Effect 3 where everything we did meant absolutely nothing (For those that were fine with the ending, great for you.  Now shut up and let me finish).  I will go back and play the old games.  But no longer will I purchase any of their new ones after this debacle.  They lost me as a customer forever.

 

 

You know, for the last 10 days or so, I've seen people that have ZERO posts coming onto the forums and pretty much sharing their disappointment about the game. We're not a crazy few oddballs who don't get it. It's Bioware that doesn't get it or can't come up with solutions fast enough to make it right. 

 

Come on... they have to see the pattern and it's bad. Very bad. 

 

It's beyond bad, Cyan.  Bioware doesn't care.  They never did.  This isn't bad.  It's a tragedy.  The Dragon Age Franchise has been officially obliterated.  May it forever rest in peace.

[Amplitudelol]

..The Dragon Age Franchise has been officially obliterated...

 

The IP was dark, grim, and bloody. Now its politically correct. Its Social-Justice-Warrior-friendly. That alone destroyed DA. This is Politically Correct Age: Inquisition against Injustice. I am curious btw how SJW-s will react to things in W3. CD Projekt does not sugar-coat anything.

 

I dont say things should be like in PoE. I didnt finish the game yet 30 hours in and i did not encount quest or task with happy ending. Those went missing... they were deceived and brutally murdered or ripped to pieces by something, if they were lucky.

[Harbinger1975]

I seriously couldn't let this one go.

 

https://www.youtube....eature=youtu.be

 

About Battlefront

[vetlet]

The IP was dark, grim, and bloody. Now its politically correct. Its Social-Justice-Warrior-friendly. That alone destroyed DA. This is Politically Correct Age: Inquisition against Injustice. I am curious btw how SJW-s will react to things in W3. CD Projekt does not sugar-coat anything.

 

You know, I know some comment on the "PC-ness of DA:I", but I don't think that in itself destroyed it.

 

DA:O had a mix of sexualities, portrayed racism, attempted fratricide, betrayal, even potential taking advantage of someone with disabilities. And it was good. I wouldn't say anything was sugar-coated in DA:O either.

[Elhanan]

The IP was dark, grim, and bloody. Now its politically correct. Its Social-Justice-Warrior-friendly. That alone destroyed DA. This is Politically Correct Age: Inquisition against Injustice. I am curious btw how SJW-s will react to things in W3. CD Projekt does not sugar-coat anything.
 
I dont say things should be like in PoE. I didnt finish the game yet 30 hours in and i did not encount quest or task with happy ending. Those went missing... they were deceived and brutally murdered or ripped to pieces by something, if they were lucky.

Kinda thought slavery, slaughtering people for fuel, murder, Blood magic, War and it's refugees, Demonic possession, Darkspawn and the like were still evident in DAI; was not aware that opposing such was Politically Correct....

[DragonsDream]

oh Flying Spaghetti Monster save me - people blathering on about "Social Justice Warriors" (as if Social Justice were a bad thing) being the ones who ruined DAI - as if the game sucks because it has gays and girls and black people in it. Ugh.

[line_genrou]

If Pillars of Eternity had full voiceover and fancy graphics it would be superior in every aspect to Iqusition. Now its just simply superior. But its really hard to compare the 2. One is some sp mmorpg action game hybrid monstrosity of a console game ported to pc and the other one is a party based pc rpg made by pc gamers for pc gamers. At least party banter works. Its so funny Bioware claims its fixed but it is so not fixed ... To be honest the "fancyness" made Dragon Age Origins better than PoE for me. Still id rather buy a PoE expansion for the price of 2 Inquisition than waste more money and time on EA's Bioware consolware.

 

Dont expect anything from patch 7 btw (if you are still crazy enough to expect anything). Ive seen the patchnotes.

 

If it had full voice over and fancy graphics they would have to dumb down all the rest for the casuals

It's very simple if someone don't like to do reading in a game and just like to mash buttons, they just won't like PoE. It's a game for people who enjoy all those elements of RPGs that we don't see in big titles anymore

DAI on the other hand is super casual friendly. You can just ignore all the text, letters or whatever the hell and just go around pressing buttons and watch those awesome spells!!!!111

[Amplitudelol]

If it had full voice over and fancy graphics they would have to dumb down all the rest for the casuals

It's very simple if someone don't like to do reading in a game and just like to mash buttons, they just won't like PoE. It's a game for people who enjoy all those elements of RPGs that we don't see in big titles anymore

DAI on the other hand is super casual friendly. You can just ignore all the text, letters or whatever the hell and just go around pressing buttons and watch those awesome spells!!!!111

 

Yeah, battle is PoE is awesome. Basically almost every fight is a disastraous defeat if you dont make good use of your party's abilities and positioning. Its a joke when Bioware developer says start over to experience another class. You should experience all of the classes at the same time over one playthrough, not spamming the awesome button controlling one, what you basically do in Inquisition. Lol, thats why you have a whole party of characters... Worst case scendario: you are knight-enchanter, then the combat gets reduced to one ability the spiritsword or something, i dont remember and i dont want to...

[They call me a SpaceCowboy]

On Elhanan's comment: "Only a guess, but the global viewpoint of fairness; the PC title should not have perks unavailable in other platforms."

 

Console gamers accept the fact that they only have so many buttons on their controllers and therefore only so many (8 in this case) skills to choose from at any point, but also with the ability to swap out those skills from the pool of available skills.

This is a limitation console gamers acknowledge when they choose their gaming platform! They are not victims in any way, shape or form.

 

PC gamers, on the other hand, also choose their gaming platform - in this case, PC. Why? Because they want to take advantage of the much superior hardware capabilities. They want to take advantage of a much more flexible and expandable control system, namely Mouse and Keyboard.

And then they go and buy games for their preferred platform, expecting the appropriate setup in games boasting AAA status.

 

To even suggest that it is somehow unfair for PC users to have 10 or 12 or 20 skills available at the click of a mouse button, all laid out before them on their game's skill bar is moronic to say the least! It is not unfair. IT IS AN ADVANTAGE OF CHOOSING A BETTER GAMING PLATFORM.

 

And for Bioware to even attempt a universal gaming experience between PC and consoles, is an equally if not worse of a moronic idea.

 

Sure, make the MP gaming experience universal, regardless of platform IF you can play cross-patform. But for a SINGLE PLAYER game?

I have never seen console gamers ****** and moan about not being able to play a game on a console the way people are able to play it on PC.

 

Elhanan and other Bioware apologists will keep coming up with these utterly ridiculous arguments, because they are not PC gamers. 

 

I think I look at it a bit differently from you, while still in agreement, if that makes sense. heh

 

Bioware stated before release they wanted the games to play similarly across platforms. It was one of their stated goals. Of course that means lowest common denominator unfortunately.

 

That said, the consoles don't have to be limited to 8 slots.  They weren't limited in the previous 2 games. That's why I think this was a design decision to match the playstyle they wanted to force on us.. err I mean provide us because it will be fun.. yeah that's it. They wanted action combat, I'm guessing because they thought it would sell better.

 

Team combat is slow and methodical. Tactical you might say, Pause, flip between characters and assign actions, check skills, look for more skills on the skill list that you can use in a given situation, unpause and watch it play out.

 

Action combat is gogogo! No time to look for skills so less is better! Fewer skills at once means fewer breaks in the action! This is the kind of combat they wanted. This puzzles me, however, because they also neutered the tactics screen and AI for the companions, making it necessary to micromanage them. It makes no sense.

 

On the other hand, we could have had more skill slots on the PC and still had the action, quick response they were looking for. That's where the 'console parity' comes in. we could have had 10 slots if the consoles could support 10 abilities at once.

[Morroian]

The IP was dark, grim, and bloody. Now its politically correct. Its Social-Justice-Warrior-friendly. That alone destroyed DA. This is Politically Correct Age: Inquisition against Injustice. I am curious btw how SJW-s will react to things in W3. CD Projekt does not sugar-coat anything.

 

 

Please stop with the cultural wars in this thread. The issues with the game are around gameplay not some perceived political issue.

[They call me a SpaceCowboy]

oh Flying Spaghetti Monster save me - people blathering on about "Social Justice Warriors" (as if Social Justice were a bad thing) being the ones who ruined DAI - as if the game sucks because it has gays and girls and black people in it. Ugh.

 

Uh, noone said any such thing in this thread. Stop trying to derail.

 

This is a thread about the PC port, I mean PC concerns, where PC = personal computer.

[DavianBurke]

@ Cobwebmaster

You are correct; am rather pleased that I have no experience in discussions of romance in the past games. It is beyond secondary for me as a topic. The reason it was mentioned here is that major attempts were made to integrate equal representation for DAI.

And the graphical sexual remark may not apply to Bioware games, but certainly may apply to other games discussed on this thread.

As for my posts, use the Ignore function; may be helpful....

 

Seems a rather catty response by an otherwise unflappable member of the forums. Cobwebmaster wasn't rude or disrespectful, provided an education background to put his prior post (which you made what could be construed as a snarky comment on) into context, and explained that while he wasn't directing his posts at you exclusively, but that he was addressing some of the points you did make in yours. 

 

He pulled an Elhanan on you. How's it feel?

[moonblade_820]

im wrinting this here, problably not the right place, but im counting someone cand point me some directions ...

 

ive bought DA:I for PC and i am deeply disappointed as everyone else here ...

 

but my son gained xbox one and really wanna play with joystick ...

 

so i wanna trade my pc version for a xbox one version ... is this posible?

[Ghostjs]

im wrinting this here, problably not the right place, but im counting someone cand point me some directions ...

 

ive bought DA:I for PC and i am deeply disappointed as everyone else here ...

 

but my son gained xbox one and really wanna play with joystick ...

 

so i wanna trade my pc version for a xbox one version ... is this posible?

 

Not that I am aware of. You might be able to get the Xbox One controller to work on your PC though.

[Sylveria_Relden]

Not that I am aware of. You might be able to get the Xbox One controller to work on your PC though.

 

^ Yeah... this says it all.

[DragonsDream]

Uh, noone said any such thing in this thread. Stop trying to derail.

 

This is a thread about the PC port, I mean PC concerns, where PC = personal computer.

 

The IP was dark, grim, and bloody. Now its politically correct. Its Social-Justice-Warrior-friendly. That alone destroyed DA. This is Politically Correct Age: Inquisition against Injustice. I am curious btw how SJW-s will react to things in W3. CD Projekt does not sugar-coat anything.

 

I dont say things should be like in PoE. I didnt finish the game yet 30 hours in and i did not encount quest or task with happy ending. Those went missing... they were deceived and brutally murdered or ripped to pieces by something, if they were lucky.

 

Um yeah, someone has said it, so please don't accuse me of thread derailing. I am a gay woman. when people talk about the game being ruined because it has a positive portrayal of gay people, I get irritated. Live with it.

[Innsmouth Dweller]

oh Flying Spaghetti Monster save me - people blathering on about "Social Justice Warriors" (as if Social Justice were a bad thing) being the ones who ruined DAI - as if the game sucks because it has gays and girls and black people in it. Ugh.

bleh. it's not about gay or green/pink/violet people in game, or even not hot enough female LIs.

 

it's about being able to RP three types of character - good, slightly good or good but rational. none of them can be racist hating elves and humans, none of them can be cruel (you can pick elfroot very violently if you wish, or at least headcanon it). instead i get very complex and "educational" dialogue with Krem and IB about sexual orientation. fine, be whatever you wish to be, i don't give a damn - you can be married to a building, a book or a goat (unlees she/he's not willing), just give me more ways to RP.

i'm forced to be the savior, goody two shoes. so what if being evil has consequences - i'm counting on it!

the main villain is the ultimate evil (kind of tevinter nazi with god complex, i mean: you cannot be more evil than that), because they didn't want to show too much white in that twisted monster. at least you can bash the chantry, cuz... bashing chantry is always ok, i suppose.

 

but maybe times are different now, games aren't entertainment anymore, just... social education. or whatever.