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Good job missing the point. Let me clarify it, the point is modders doesn't get 75% of the revenue of their work which is unfair in Cyan and my book.
Is people seriously nit picking things out in every post just to have something to disagree on?
That's exactly what they are doing.
Well, what can I say? ... wow!
Succinct covers it I think
From the site rules (also close to what was used on the SWTOR Forums):
"If you feel someone is behaving in a manner that violates the rules, please use the report tool on the forums. Do not engage the person exhibiting these behaviors, as this is often the very response and attention they are looking for."
The point is a singular response with feedback is enough to confirm or deny whether you are actually being targeted for abuse and many such initial comments fall into the doubtful category. If moderators are doing their jobs they should be picking up personal attacks anyway! Not every criticism is abuse no matter how you interpret the "rules", and wasting moderators time is to me pointless
I've had to do it on very rare occasions and that was only when I have received personal threats via a
According to your previous posts Ehlanan you are mature enough to understand the phrase "sticks and stones"
GSwutan... you're brilliant. Patreon is the way. Seriously, it is the best way. Smart modders will have them ready for free and then once they've earned our trust and solidified their reputation the modder will see it in small donations. Will they ever get rich? Who knows.
Do not mock me, I am not brilliant. If I do, I would already do the following things.
1. Leave the forum already, not reading day by day.
2. Decrypt DAI and made adjustment to KB/M.
3. Stop reading Lord Gabe's reddit live, and get some sleep.
4. Leave this forsaken developing country of mine, or the low paid job of mine.
Guest_Cyan Griffonclaw_*
Anyway, the Patreon thing is a smart way for some people and I think it's better than the Valve/Steam model.
Isn't it time the moderators closed this thread?
All we have are the vultures picking over the decaying corpse of Bioware and Dragon Age.
It's like Monty Python trying to flog a dead parrot. At least it will get Elhanan somewhere else to post his rubbish.
If the moderator's had being doing their job or Bioware had ever listened, or even read things, then this thread may have meant something.
It is a long dead corpse that only the trolls and carrion are picking over.
It has no purpose other than to contain any criticism of Bioware or Dragon Age. This is ably demonstrated by selecting "Show only Bioware posts".
The people who cared about Dragon Age have left for POE and Witcher, and probably will never return.
You have done a marvellous job Darrah, Laidlaw, Gaider and co, congratulations.
Guest_Cyan Griffonclaw_*
I, too, am a vulture. And a cynical ******. I wasn't always like that. You're right TobyJake.
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... There will be a state where even the mainstream would get fed up and say enough. People can only tolerate for so long...
And that is when the practice will stop, not before that. Unfortunately.
Valve getting 30% is no different than Apple getting 30% for an app.
Valve getting 75% is a blatant lie.
Valve is getting hammered based on this false 75% figure.
The 75% figure is wrong, but this slanted "journalism" is OK because Valve is an evil corporation?? Meanwhile Bethesda is not mentioned.
Here is more well-reasoned accurate article (not an internet hack job:
http://www.forbes.co...ative-disaster/
This article is damning enough for Bethesda (and Valve), but "haters" hyperbole is somehow necessary to exaggerate and place all the blame on Valve.
If you perhaps could read the comments instead of just nit picking what you like, you may had seen that I did mention Bethesda, as well as Valve. But you are to occupied to find stuff to disagree with aren't you?
This thread is officially the most toxic thread on the Inquisition Forums. Congrats all!
Guest_Cyan Griffonclaw_*
Yeah... like whatever I say is going to matter to Steam or Valve. Thanks Githcheater for inflating the value of my opinions. I only wish it was Bioware who placed value on my opinions. I lied because Valve is getting 75%?!? Okay. I stand corrected. The modder only gets 25%. That was my only criticism too of the idea. I also said it was still a new concept and that it will probably get worked on. Guess that got by you as well...
This thread is officially the most toxic thread on the Inquisition Forums. Congrats all!
*Sigh* and what you're doing right now with that post isn't toxic then? It's the same thing, oh praise the hypocrisy!
Either way, if this thread and it's concerns (it's called the PC community Concerns after all) would have been fixed, or even actively acknowledge by Bioware then it perhaps wouldn't have become so "toxic".
Guest_Cyan Griffonclaw_*
This thread is officially the most toxic thread on the Inquisition Forums. Congrats all!
I agree even though I don't have hard data on that.
Guest_Cyan Griffonclaw_*
Here is another viewpoint on the issue:
I see it the same way. It's a good idea and it will succeed. I want to see modders, especially the gifted ones that add something entirely new to the game, get paid in some way. I honestly think all modders should begin with a Patreon account. If that doesn't bring in income, then the new Steam model should be considered. Will there still be fan-made mods that are for free. Hell yes. There can come a time, that a mod will be free and if you use it, it may prompt a donation or put a time limit on it for it to be paid. I, personally, want to see the common man make a buck. How would that look on a resume too? I am sure that is a feather in your cap, right? I subscribed to Gopher.
Here is another viewpoint on the issue:
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^ Isn't cross-posting forbidden according to forum rules? Out ff all of the people here, you, especially you, should know the rules very well. You often use them to report other posters, many times/day, getting them warned and/or banned.
Seeing you breaking the rules yourself is kinda refreshing. 
hahaha
Cross-Posting
1st time
http://forum.bioware...8#entry19032401
http://forum.bioware...4#entry19032454
2nd time
http://forum.bioware...0#entry19034782
http://forum.bioware...6#entry19034786
PS. If someone reports you, you can 100% be sure it wasn't me.I never use report button and never PM mods to snitch on others.
This thread is officially the most toxic thread on the Inquisition Forums. Congrats all!
Oh, maybe not for everyone. Me, I am laughing non stop reading it, it's better than a good comedy movie.
And far more enjoyable than the game itself.
Keep delivering guys. 
Valve is getting hammered based on this false 75% figure.
The 75% figure is wrong, but this slanted "journalism" is OK because Valve is an evil corporation?? Meanwhile Bethesda is not mentioned.
Here is more well-reasoned accurate article (not an internet hack job:
http://www.forbes.co...ative-disaster/
This article is damning enough for Bethesda (and Valve), but "haters" hyperbole is somehow necessary to exaggerate and place all the blame on Valve.
Other than a single misquote on this forum, which was to explain that the modder doesn't see 75% of it rather than demonize Valve, nobody has "place(d) all the blame on Valve."
^ Isn't cross-posting forbidden according to forum rules? Out ff all of the people here, you, especially you, should know the rules very well. You often use them to report other posters, many times/day, getting them warned and/or banned.
Seeing you breaking the rules yourself is kinda refreshing.
Cross-Posting
1st time
http://forum.bioware...8#entry19032401
http://forum.bioware...4#entry19032454
2nd time
http://forum.bioware...0#entry19034782
http://forum.bioware...6#entry19034786
PS. If someone reports you, you can 100% be sure it wasn't me.I never use report button and never PM mods to snitch on others.
The moderators are asleep, they only act on profanity and personal attack.
Otherwise you would be long gone.
Guest_Cyan Griffonclaw_*
While the price scheme for mods on Steam seems rather unfair to the modder, it's a step in the right direction for some. I rarely ever mod my games, though would take a voice change mod on DAI in a heartbeat. When I do, if the mod is great I'd love to toss a couple bucks to the modder. Now, preferably after using it, seeing if I like it, and then directly to the modder.
The only mod I've really used, and I've yet barely scratched the surface, is the Long War mod for XCOM. Between that and Neverwinter Nights Diamond (finally on HotU!) as well as some dota2 and heroes of the storm, I've not had the time to come close to even getting a tenth through Long War. And my lord it is GOOD. I'd shell out some $ to the creator of that mod.
At least Steam has people talking.
You know... I had to think this through and now I can see where the argument can be made for the modder to make only 25%.
The company that made the game wants to cash in on mods made specifically for their game. World of Warcraft, Fallout, Skyrim, Origins and many other games are kept fresh with the modding community adding their love for the game by providing some very good stuff in a lot of cases. I understand that. It's their product that's still out there being loved on by modders and fans alike. Valve is the platform that provides the exchange of monies between fan and modder and publisher. They're taking on that tremendous burden of performing those microtransactions. What I want to know is what protects me if I make a bad purchase? What if the mod is unstable or unusable? Who is responsible for quality control? Who is responsible if the mod is a virus disguised as a mod? This is what concerns me about the deal. It's not about the modder getting paid... because they deserve to be paid... but is Valve a viable option? I really like the idea of Patreon. I think every serious modder should get a Patreon account and receive some coin. They can acknowledge the publisher and work out their own deal or sign up with Valve. Personally, I believe the biggest cut goes straight to the modder. 50% minimum. To the publisher: 40% Valve or any TPA 10%. 10% is a pretty big commission to be the middle guy and getting 40% back on a product that stopped selling years ago is a nice happy fund to hire more of these modders.
I also want to say why Valve? Nexus does it for free! But these guys at Nexus aren't in for the money, but like EA would do... better grab that money that you're leaving on the table before someone else does. Also, Nexus is plain awesome. You can't go wrong with them. If a mod blows, you uninstall it and move on. If a mod rocks, you thank Nexus for having them. Either way, if Valve can do it, I bet Nexus can do it better since they've been around for a LONG time.
This thread is officially the most toxic thread on the Inquisition Forums. Congrats all!
Largely this identity is one that was not sought as the opening post will testify, but apparently one that has been awarded for a number of reasons. Toxicity is a term that implies a level of damage but to what? Bioware? Electronic Arts? Other forum users? The criticism is directed here essentially at oversights which still have not been addressed and by connection concurs wtih a number of commonly held beliefs outside this thread about the changing attitude of game providers towards certain parts if not all of their historic customer base, the pc user. It also highlights a genesis of the trend to move towards producing entertainment packages that are now more commercially oriented and lack a certain quality grade theme that was more often present game production in earlier years
Whatever damage has been caused to Bioware et al many of us would argue is self inflicted, and this is a good place to air grievances, and campaign for better treatment in this regard
It is inevitable that there will be also clashes within any thread itself , be it caused by trolling, or a simple difference of opinions but is that not what forum threads are about
Congratulations? For what?? If the reason for your posting this is to be snarky then as far as I am concerned you can go boil your head!
Guest_Cyan Griffonclaw_*
Do not mock me, I am not brilliant. If I do, I would already do the following things.
1. Leave the forum already, not reading day by day.
2. Decrypt DAI and made adjustment to KB/M.
3. Stop reading Lord Gabe's reddit live, and get some sleep.
4. Leave this forsaken developing country of mine, or the low paid job of mine.
I don't know how. I wish I could do something to help, but even my mods are simple translations of someone else's work. There are way smarter people that can program better than me. I just discovered Lord Gabe. Okay... I get it. I get it. I get it. #1 and #4 I don't know what to say there.
I'd like to say that if anyone feels "singled out", it's their own actions that caused them to be there.
Constantly trying to invalidate others' viewpoints, picking away at people's complaints and other toxicity tends to do that to people.
There's a fitting saying- "If one person calls you a horse, you can likely ignore it. If 50 people call you a horse, perhaps you should get a saddle."
Something to think about.
Maybe you should be a little more friendly and you may find a more welcoming attitude from others here.
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