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[TobyJake]

Totally agree.

But I do think this thread has passed its use by date. Show only Bioware posts gives an empty list. That has been the root problem since Nov 2014. No response from Bioware whatsoever. No matter what you say you hear nothing from those who should engage. Many people have tried to get a response to no avail.

No fixes, patches that wreck more than they mend. The underlying problems with the game never get handled.

So the end result is what you get. The time is past for engagement from Bioware. They cannot fix it and they have no intention of even trying.

Shame really.

[Cobwebmaster]

It was somewhat evident that the Off Topic thread was not being seen by the posters here, as the topic continued to lengthen. In the regard, all posting on the matter are in error. But as I have mentioned elsewhere, folks are welcome to report me for violations. The Bio-Mods do a fine job here.

 

Don't know how you work that out when compared with the policing that used to happen for NWN and BG forums.

PS I'd appreciate an answer to my earlier question

[Cobwebmaster]

Totally agree.

But I do think this thread has passed its use by date. Show only Bioware posts gives an empty list. That has been the root problem since Nov 2014. No response from Bioware whatsoever. No matter what you say you hear nothing from those who should engage. Many people have tried to get a response to no avail.

No fixes, patches that wreck more than they mend. The underlying problems with the game never get handled.

So the end result is what you get. The time is past for engagement from Bioware. They cannot fix it and they have no intention of even trying.

Shame really.

Tend to agree. It's time to move on . While the odds are still stacked against anyone getting "fair play" generally in bang for your buck at the point of sale, there is still a chance that consumer power can exert itself, that being only way to get developers to sit up and listen. Remote yes but still a maybe - but generally the games market is looking more and more sinister, but it has been weak for a while despite all the blurb and the prices are getting less attractive 

[Cobwebmaster]

Fair points made.

 

I should rephrase this differently: why in the world would anyone pay money to Valve for a mod? It's Bethesda toolkit, modder time and effort (Falskaar, anyone?). If anything, mods maybe should have a support me button direct to modder.

 

And the cynic in me thinks, now that there is a possibility to make money from mods, think that a certain unavailable toolkit might spring forth?

My experience of mods that they have been largely a labour of love. It used to be the case that modding was an  opportunity to deploy a skillset or two in public, for the appraisal of gamers and  game developers alike. A good marketing ploy at a personal level which in some cases resulted in a job. I'm not sure that applies any more, but modders would commonly try out their wares on games like NWN, TES series, and so on. The evolution of this went something like modder gets outstandiing rating for his work and then asks for sponsorship to develop a bigger and better one. I'm happy with this as a concept because it means that we gamers are on board from the start and have some evidence to justify our confidence and money. Getting presented with a faint accompli via a software developer who says "trust me you really want to buy this mod" is something rather different. I've had my fingers burned already by EA/Bioware, why would I want to go through that again?

As a dedicated modder I'd not be happy being bound to the dictats of a software house, especially one that distances itself from customers for it's own "greater good". However there are still plenty of good author's around who once they have a good review and some sales under their belt become a publisher's "chuck one out a year" contract slave

Once bitten twice shy for that idea, and then there is the additional danger of the DRM thing again. A friend of mine hates Steam from a long while back after finding out that unlike say getting Microsoft Word on a disc he did not own the license to use it and transfer to another device for his convenience. Maybe that's resolved now but it is still another word of warning to take heed of in the expanding mire of downloads and what it is you are actually paying for. GOG springs to mind as a possible resolution for that 

[Elhanan]

NWN1 = NWN + SoU + HotU + Premium Mods (the latter being the last of the paid mods due to Atari, as I recall).

[Cobwebmaster]

NWN1 = NWN + SoU + HotU + Premium Mods (the latter being the last of the paid mods due to Atari, as I recall).

DO NOT PASS GO AND DO NOT COLLECT YOUR $200!!!

Now you need a get out of jail card, as both EXPANSION PACKS were developed by Bioware as was NWN itself. Atari was the publisher for all three games and in my book HOTU was a sizzling finish to the trilogy!

MODS? HUMBUG! 

[Elhanan]

DO NOT PASS GO AND DO NOT COLLECT YOUR $200!!!

Now you need a get out of jail card, as both EXPANSION PACKS were developed by Bioware as was NWN itself. Atari was the publisher for all three games and in my book HOTU was a sizzling finish to the trilogy!

MODS? HUMBUG!

Modding was (and is) a wonderful addition to the overall experience; also a great example how Pay For Mods can be undermined by a publisher. As I purchased all of these as separate units, as well as a package deal a couple of other times over the years, the NWN1 designation is easier to use. And as I still play occasionally on a PW, I have little time for Monopoly.

[Baalthazar]

I'm 3 hours into the game, and I can't do it anymore.  (That 3 hours consisted of playing the intro part up to Haven twice.)  The control scheme is so much not-fun that it's distracting me from trying to get past all the other problems I'm having with the game.  I uninstalled it. 

 

I've already run into two continuity-breaking story details.

 

Character movement out of combat is sluggish.  

 

In combat...why is my inquisitor standing there swinging his sword over and over when that pride demon is out of melee range?

 

The inventory screen is a confusing mess, also not fun.

 

Can't loot anything unless I'm standing right next to it?

 

Does somebody have to say "Maker watch over us/you" so often?

 

Character development/leveling is watered-down.  If there was an XP progress bar in the HUD, I missed it.  Every time someone leveled, it came as a surprise. Unfortunately, I often left people ready to level up because I was so distracted by the numerous control problems that I couldn't be bothered to level up the character.

 

BioWare, why did you remove healing spells and Crushing Prison?

 

I can't close the rifts in tactical camera because they float higher above the action than tactical camera can view.  This makes me have to switch back and forth between tactical camera and regular camera, and the two cameras have two different control schemes!  BioWare *chose* this design?

 

I've heard both good things and bad about stuff that happens later in the game.  Unfortunately, I can't get there to judge for myself because I just can't get past this horrendously un-fun control scheme.

 

I'm struggling to get emotionally invested in this game because I keep feeling like the inevitable let-down has already been foreshadowed so many times.

 

On the bright side, Dragon Age Keep obviates the need to ever slog through DA II again, just in case they ever fix this mess.

 

I wanted to like this game so much, but BioWare just wouldn't let me.

[Sartoz]

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Beware of Marketing bringing promos for you.

 

The XBOX promo for W3:

 Is actually the PC version of the game that runs at 60-fps, while the XBOX game runs at 30fps. Yes, Microsoft apologized but I believe it was only after someone found out and told all.... so, they had no choice. Graphics for the 360 must be below par compared to the PC .

 

source:  http://www.hardocp.c...60fps_pc_video/

 

 

 

 

[line_genrou]

Ignore the obvious troll.

[Sartoz]

Modding was (and is) a wonderful addition to the overall experience; also a great example how Pay For Mods can be undermined by a publisher. As I purchased all of these as separate units, as well as a package deal a couple of other times over the years, the NWN1 designation is easier to use. And as I still play occasionally on a PW, I have little time for Monopoly.

 

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Mods are a wonderful addition? Contradicting yourself again?

 

You said you prefer playing games in vanilla mode... no need for mods ... mods change the original game.... now mods are an addition to the overall experience, eh? Is this change in viewpoint because mods are no longer free?

 

 

Corrected a spelling error

Modifié par Sartoz, 27 avril 2015 - 06:20 .

[Elhanan]

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Mods are a wondeful addition? Contradicting yourself again?
 
You said you prefer playing games in vanilla mode... no need for mods ... mods change the original game.... now mods are an addition to the overall experience, eh? Is this change in viewpoint because mods are no longer free?

Seems some may have hiccups in recall, or may not have read all the facts; happens to me too, but I have had a stroke to blame for my memory loss....

Played 700+ hrs in Skyrim in Vanilla using only a single mod, so the experience did not require mods to enjoy the experience. I also have 2890+ hrs with modding; prefer enhancing mods rather the overhauls, as I do enjoy the Vanilla game.

Going back to NWN1, played all the Official materials, enjoyed a 5 yr on-line campaign, and hundreds of story mods before going to a PW. The campaign also involved non-story mods. This included about six months of play without mods, but as I still play currently, I would say that mods and playing on a PC have offered a wondermous addition to the experience.

As for DAI, I also enjoy the Vanilla game, as I did with DAO & DA2. While I used a few mods later to enhance DAO, I passed on them for DA2; unneeded. Now will wait and see what occurs with the modding community for DAI; maybe will use them, or perhaps not, but none are required for me to enjoy the game currently.

[line_genrou]

Elhanan works for EA, yes or yes?

[Amplitudelol]

Seriously, stop the whining! DA3 was a good game, bioware dont and wont change it, period, get over it. Ive heard ME4 will have 100 explorable planet. I just cant wait to see all the meaningful content stuffed into them. Just like when i played Inquisition, i was in awe when a saw different activities the zones had to offer. It was like living in Thedas!. And it will share features with Inquisition, oh my god, it will be glorious! I click on every mission to complete on the Galaxy Table! Focus on the future and remember DA3 as GOTY 2014 with questionable PC control scheme. Good in-depth tactical pc rpg focusing on kb+m control you want? Pathetic, plug in a controller already and learn how to enjoy a real game! You will need the controller skill in ME4 anyway... duh. Remember, thinking is for school, if you play you should be entertained instead, duh.

 

PS: if dont find intiutive the controls you play it the wrong way. You should be concentrating on one character from your party and mash the buttons from your action bar as hard as you can. Try this and be surprised how awesome the combat got. See? While you are at it, you realize you dont even need a more sophisticated keyboard to play, you were expecing something more complex than a real game should be. You can start plugging in the controller so when you start mass effect you dont have this trouble again.

[DaemionMoadrin]

Elhanan works for EA, yes or yes?

 

Even EA would be too embarrassed to have him as spokesperson.

[Dinkledorf]

I agree even though I don't have hard data on that. 

Actually I think only 75% of is toxic.

[Dinkledorf]

It was somewhat evident that the Off Topic thread was not being seen by the posters here, as the topic continued to lengthen. In the regard, all posting on the matter are in error. But as I have mentioned elsewhere, folks are welcome to report me for violations. The Bio-Mods do a fine job here.

Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!  

[Dinkledorf]

I gave this game a very decent go at it, forced even.  Not happening here, not for me, and I have not touched it now for over a month, likely never will again.  It is what it is, on with something new now.  Oddly not because of the controls, they were, after I noticed that Tac Cam is absolutely not required, ....ok...I guess, although I think that my longest single sitting was about 1.5 hours.  Anything more than that and my right (mouse) hand complained.  

 

Its the actually the game itself, bit of a snore fest and not at all what I ever expected from a Bioware game frankly.  Waiting for W3 now and see how that turns out. 

[Cobwebmaster]

Modding was (and is) a wonderful addition to the overall experience; also a great example how Pay For Mods can be undermined by a publisher. As I purchased all of these as separate units, as well as a package deal a couple of other times over the years, the NWN1 designation is easier to use. And as I still play occasionally on a PW, I have little time for Monopoly.

I take it you have not read my comments about mods in more than one post here, or maybe you've just chosen to ignore them in this reply. Whatever this reply is not going to help you climb out of the hole you've dug yourself by calling Bioware expansion packs MODS. 

I talked about apples and oranges in an earlier post, but you have gone a major step forward by comparing the Daytona circuit with a Go Kart track. As for calling NWN, NWN1 well now you've provided a  key to the code you use when describing the Neverwinter games all's well by me. I've not detected anyone else calling it NWN1 but you go right ahead and have a nice day in whichever ward your'e connecting from.

Not quite sure how a PUBLISHER can undermine a mod, but the term PAY FOR MODS set's off a lot of alarms, which the modders I exchanged views with would have nothing to do with. If you contributed to the nexus threads, or even read them you would know, how "vigorous" the views were on that topic from modders themselves

This is all about developers and marketers of games stacking the deck in their favour, by locking down places for gamers to go, but I am not talking about the thread topic now

Your jail sentence has been extended, after taking into account  further crimes you have committed  against reputable Bioware products by calling them Atari, and describing them in the same breath as Mods a term generally (well by everyone but you) accepted to mean a small add on prepared by an enthusiast to enhance the gameplay experience. It doesn't matter that you don't play or like Monopoly, others do and you are subject to their judgement not your own, on your post content.  

[Dinkledorf]

I have not looked at any of the details regarding the announcement by Valve and Bethesda (re: paying for mods), however, on the surface I have no issues with this at all AS LONG AS Bethesda does not now bring in a mandatory patch to Skyrim that invalidates all non-payed-for mods and restricts future mods to be those that are paid for, only. Then we have a problem.

[Cobwebmaster]

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Going back to NWN1, played all the Official materials, enjoyed a 5 yr on-line campaign, and hundreds of story mods before going to a PW. The campaign also involved non-story mods. This included about six months of play without mods, but as I still play currently, I would say that mods and playing on a PC have offered a wondermous addition to the experience.
 

Me no shoor how to say NWN1 no give u 5 year onrine orgasm as it am singel playur gamin' onwry!

Onrine game for Xbox zis PC fred
Me say dis won time arready!
Wry you no risten???

Ich schicke ein Furz in Ihrer allgemeinen Richtung

[Elhanan]

I take it you have not read my comments about mods in more than one post here, or maybe you've just chosen to ignore them in this reply. Whatever this reply is not going to help you climb out of the hole you've dug yourself by calling Bioware expansion packs MODS. 

I talked about apples and oranges in an earlier post, but you have gone a major step forward by comparing the Daytona circuit with a Go Kart track. As for calling NWN, NWN1 well now you've provided a  key to the code you use when describing the Neverwinter games all's well by me. I've not detected anyone else calling it NWN1 but you go right ahead and have a nice day in whichever ward your'e connecting from.

Not quite sure how a PUBLISHER can undermine a mod, but the term PAY FOR MODS set's off a lot of alarms, which the modders I exchanged views with would have nothing to do with. If you contributed to the nexus threads, or even read them you would know, how "vigorous" the views were on that topic from modders themselves

This is all about developers and marketers of games stacking the deck in their favour, by locking down places for gamers to go, but I am not talking about the thread topic now

Your jail sentence has been extended, after taking into account  further crimes you have committed  against reputable Bioware products by calling them Atari, and describing them in the same breath as Mods a term generally (well by everyone but you) accepted to mean a small add on prepared by an enthusiast to enhance the gameplay experience. It doesn't matter that you don't play or like Monopoly, others do and you are subject to their judgement not your own, on your post content.

er... never intended to call SoU or HotU mods; called the Premium mod package mods (ie; ShawdowGuard, PotSC, Kingmaker, etc). These mods were purchased, and Atari crushed these mods from continuation and abandoned a few like projects close to release.

As for free Player created mods really enjoyed The Aielund Saga, the series by Alezander, and Hugie mods; the latter including myself as a character among the NPC's. Also am listed among those that aided with the Pretty Good Character Creator & Customizer (ie; PGC3). So while I never made any mods myself, I did enjoy play testing and aiding some of the authors.

Seems assumptions and leaps to judgments are commonplace amongst my fans. Guess it is the price of celebrity....