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[Innsmouth Dweller]

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I think the backlash was the result of two items:

 

1, The disproportional payout of 75% to the companies and 25% to the modders.

2. The fact that some modders would get paid a higher amount than their own internal ones....Oooops... this does not go over well I tell you. 

 

A possible third item is the asinine decision to go after Skyrim mods... mods that have been there for so long it became an "entitlement". The right approach, to me, it to go after a new /recent IP, where there is "less gamer investment".

 

Handled correctly, this announcement was a win-win-win for modders, gamers and companies.

it'd still suck for engine developers and... studios that create interactive movies instead of games.

 

anyway, i'd love this idea to work someday. stable modding tools (because it's pure profit for publishers/studios), mods working after patch release, better documentation. i guess not all modders are idealists /shrug

[TobyJake]

The Bioware forums used to be the place for mods, before the Producer and Lead Designer got their hands on the controls. So  many of the Nexus mods were born in these forums. There used to be competitions for mod development. Some of the best mods were made here. 

Amazing mods that were so much more than hair or face. Scroll of Truth or Sappho's Daughters, In Search or Raina for a few. Scroll of Truth didn't kick in until you had completed at least three of the major areas in Origin's. Then it was a full blown engagement,

 

No longer I am afraid.

[Amplitudelol]

http://www.metacriti...-jaws-of-hakkon

 

Jaws of Hakkon has 9 reviews on metacritic and 27 people rated it . PC gamers dont seem very eager to eat up Bioware's ****. The rating itself is irrelevant because of the low contribution. Of course the "pro'-s give it a very high rating in avg. I bet they played it on consoles and rated for PC . Again.

 

Content has become something different in single player games. A zone to roam in killing mobs qualifies nowadays.

[Innsmouth Dweller]

welp, i guess i'm not the only one who completely ignored anything related to DAI. weird feeling

[SACanuckin Oz]

[Off topic]
Innsmouth, that's a really cool avatar. Whence from?

[TobyJake]

Go back and read the posts on Page 1. Then press Show only Bioware posts.

That will show you without doubt that Darrah and Laidlaw have been hiding since November,

They were very aware of what they had released.

 I don't like what Bioware has become but it is way beyond my control.

Time to go. Don't give up the fight.

[Innsmouth Dweller]

[Off topic]
Innsmouth, that's a really cool avatar. Whence from?

i stole it from Pillars of Eternity :3

[Amplitudelol]

Go back and read the posts on Page 1. Then press Show only Bioware posts.

That will show you without doubt that Darrah and Laidlaw have been hiding since November,

They were very aware of what they had released.

 I don't like what Bioware has become but it is way beyond my control.

Time to go. Don't give up the fight.

 

Mark Darrah posted they wanted feedback on interface, controls, drivers, and that was the last day he was online on this forum . Pls someone remind me what exactly changed in the interface. They solved the problems ( ) with mouse look toggle, walking toggle and scalable tac cam distance i guess. Now its time for multiplayer upgrades. At least thats what is in the next p... oops! I meam thats what is in the next possible options of potential improvements to the game!

[Dubya75]

Mark Darrah posted they wanted feedback on interface, controls, drivers, and that was the last day he was online on this forum . Pls someone remind me what exactly changed in the interface. They solved the problems ( ) with mouse look toggle, walking toggle and scalable tac cam distance i guess. Now its time for multiplayer upgrades. At least thats what is in the next p... oops! I meam thats what is in the next possible options of potential improvements to the game!

 

Yeah, they're always yapping on about getting fan feedback, bla bla bla.....say what? Arrow in your face!

 

Let's face it: Mike Laidlaw and his gang does not understand their audience. Never really have and never will.

 

And then to make matters even worse, Shadow Of Mordor is already getting a GOTY edition of their game CONTAINING ALL DLC next week while Bioware is still struggling to patch their base game that was released only a little more than a month after SOM!!!!

 

Absolutely poor performance, Bioware! One thing is for sure, you are no longer leading the RPG market. Not even close. You're way behind everyone else.

[Sartoz]

@TobyJake

 

Thanks for pointing out that Path of Exile game.....  it's dirty, grimy, and has a useful inventory system that makes the console design one so amateurish...  Upgrading your weapons, armours is simple as is the level up mechanic.

 

I can move and shoot and use potions just with my mouse.

 

One, again,  Thanks

 

Edit: Did I mention that I can switch weapons when fighting? or change gear enhancements when fighting all with my mouse?

Modifié par Sartoz, 29 avril 2015 - 03:12 .

[Elhanan]

http://www.metacriti...-jaws-of-hakkon
 
Jaws of Hakkon has 9 reviews on metacritic and 27 people rated it . PC gamers dont seem very eager to eat up Bioware's ****. The rating itself is irrelevant because of the low contribution. Of course the "pro'-s give it a very high rating in avg. I bet they played it on consoles and rated for PC . Again.
 
Content has become something different in single player games. A zone to roam in killing mobs qualifies nowadays.

If one means the unverified owners of the game reviews, then it does appear the cores given are lower. But I choose not to use metacritic as a source due to a few problems that make it appear the info gleaned is largely invalid.

[Elhanan]

Mark Darrah posted they wanted feedback on interface, controls, drivers, and that was the last day he was online on this forum . Pls someone remind me what exactly changed in the interface. They solved the problems ( ) with mouse look toggle, walking toggle and scalable tac cam distance i guess. Now its time for multiplayer upgrades. At least thats what is in the next p... oops! I meam thats what is in the next possible options of potential improvements to the game!

Seems Bioware may be busy at work at the next undisclosed content for DAI:

http://www.inquisitr...closed-content/

[Sartoz]

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Yes, the undisclosed contents are more maps for multiplayer perhaps?

[Drantwo]

I'd rather choose Metacritic user reviews than any other offical reviews from IGN and so on. Clearly from the PC DAI reviews, we know that EA has those reviewers in their pockets. Then again, if I recall correctly, an EA employee was caught reviewing EA's own game itself, giving the product a full 100/100. Sure Metacritic have some unverified reviews, but not all of them are DragonKnight A certain someone may defend all he can like about this sad game, but most of the PC users are unhappy with the game, especially the controls. Stats do not lie.

[Amplitudelol]

Seems Bioware may be busy at work at the next undisclosed content for DAI:

http://www.inquisitr...closed-content/

 

Do you play multiplayer? It is designed for you actually. You only have 4 abilities so you dont need to pause the game (because you know, the single player campaign is hard, you need to do that often because of the enormous ammount of abilities you need to choose from all the time - 8) You spam them as soon as they get off cooldown. Pretty much the same gaming experience as in the single player but its even less complex. The gaming experience is optimized for you. Too bad if you dont like multiplayer, youll get nothing of value from that content. Oops, i did it again!... Im not gonna say Sartoz is close, i can only say he is dead on.

[Elhanan]

I'd rather choose Metacritic user reviews than any other offical reviews from IGN and so on. Clearly from the PC DAI reviews, we know that EA has those reviewers in their pockets. Then again, if I recall correctly, an EA employee was caught reviewing EA's own game itself, giving the product a full 100/100. Sure Metacritic have some unverified reviews, but not all of them are DragonKnight A certain someone may defend all he can like about this sad game, but most of the PC users are unhappy with the game, especially the controls. Stats do not lie.

Stats are used to lie quite often. A friend of mine once heard that a majority of the populace were injured or killed within 5 miles of home, so when his mailing address became established, he would move again. Or this:

"The statistics on sanity are that one out of every four Americans is suffering from some form of mental illness. Think of your three best friends. If they're okay, then it's you." - Rita Mae Brown

Using a site known to have errors, inaccuracies, and skewed data seems unwise. While Player scores may not be much higher at some other sites, at least some should try and use those that are verified owners; not those posting with hidden agendas like the 'paid professionals'.

[vetlet]

Upon opening Origin for first time in ages:

 

Irony?

 

And misuse of stats... a pet hatred of mine, simply cause that is my job. Politicians are media are the worst for it. So everything there is some major stat of fear published, I'm like 'Yeah, whaever. Give my the background.'

[Drantwo]

When 1.2k reviews point out that the game is bad, stats become fact and do not lie. There is a reason why PoE has 8+ score and DA:I has 5.8 on PC. There is a reason why IGN gave the CoD a 90+ when essentially, it was nothing but re-skin of the previous title + jet packs. But then again, since this mess of a game matches your own expectations, you live in the delusion that everyone must like this game and since 'Personally' you do not have any issues with it, no one should have any issue. Thus, we are all bunch of haters singing this melancholy, to you and to many of the other users on this forum.

 

Generally your posts follow somewhat like:

 

*Insert Personally*. *Insert a generic 'how the named issue does not affect me' statement*. *Insert a generic 'Hence this issue does not exist' statement*. *Insert a generic 'How we are wrong' statement*. And finally *Insert some passive aggressive keywords or sentences*. Your post is now complete.

 

Hence, these is no point trying to reason with you. Most of the unhappy players on this forum already know you and frankly most of us are used to it. Heck,I wasn't even replying to you on my previous post. I just read the word metacritic and wanted to my opinion on it. I am not even going to reply to your posts. You remind me of Jaron Obeyrn. His posts were simply....I do not know how to them into words lol.

 

Also, I am not kidding about paid professionals. BioWare employees have been caught reviewing DAII, giving it a full 100/100. Search it for yourself. I know this is a folly though since you still live in your perfect world. This type of marketing by EA reminds me of Deus Ex: Human Revolution. It had such an amazing theme to it. 

 

But hey, I do agree on most parts with your posts relating to Skyrim.

 

So like I've said, I trust the metacritic user scores and forum feedback a lot. This is why I am going to wait till the user reviews for The Witcher 3 come out. That's the reason why I haven't pre-ordered it. A company will always highlight the bests of their product in the trailers but the actual content one receives may or may not differ drastically. I have learnt my lesson after pre-ordering this mess of a game. Never again am I going to pre-order anything. And so shouldn't you all. Pre-ordering a AAA title is always a huge risk as these AAA video game industry often thrives on hype.

[Elhanan]

Numbers become meaningless when the user does not have verified ownership, and may not have actually played the game; even have simply copied & pasted another review. This seems much like rigging the polls during an election. When faulty algorithms are used to calculate total, stats are also flawed. When so many scores are posted on the same day as launch; many in either extreme creating a tainted result, the info gleaned is biased, as the result even if proper math is applied yields a result closer to five on their scores. This is bad information.

Trying to justify known errors and flawed data, while ignoring the professional scores on the same site for supposed 'paid reviews' also appears a tad hypocritical. The site is not a good source, especially if referred to in a manner known as intelligence.

I would have pre-ordered TW3 from GOG; game looks beautiful, and former Bioware Chris Priestly is the new Community Mgr at their company. But I have objections to common content, and the lack of a Pause featured would create the need for many reloads. So I shall pass on the game, and await SkyWind.

[Sartoz]

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Using a site known to have errors, inaccuracies, and skewed data seems unwise. While Player scores may not be much higher at some other sites, at least some should try and use those that are verified owners; not those posting with hidden agendas like the 'paid professionals'.

 

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Tsk, tsk, tsk..

 

Which sites, do you know of and use that has no errors?  I believe. if memory serves, that you mentioned you make an  informed decision when buying a game.

 

The one odd pattern that popped out, for me, is those sites that have both the pro and gamer stats side by side. That review pattern is as follows:

 

1. pro high review, gamer low review

2. pro low review, gamer high review

 

Also,it appears to be a consistent sotto voce understanding between pro gamer site reviews, never to mention their review hardware platform nor do I remember reading any of these sites comparing their game review against another platform. Example: compare PC vs console review for the same game.

 

While I agree that unverified user reviews are suspect, me playing a game on my friend's computer makes me a qualified candidate to review the game as the "verified" one. With that note, "pro site" that have a game review that gushed with sugar and spice and everything nice and with a slick marketing written article  using all the correct word phrases are also suspect.

 

In the end, it comes down to trust.

 

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Modifié par Sartoz, 29 avril 2015 - 09:13 .

[Sartoz]

Numbers become meaningless when the user does not have verified ownership, and may not have actually played the game; even have simply copied & pasted another review. This seems much like rigging the polls during an election. When faulty algorithms are used to calculate total, stats are also flawed. When so many scores are posted on the same day as launch; many in either extreme creating a tainted result, the info gleaned is biased, as the result even if proper math is applied yields a result closer to five on their scores. This is bad information.

Trying to justify known errors and flawed data, while ignoring the professional scores on the same site for supposed 'paid reviews' also appears a tad hypocritical. The site is not a good source, especially if referred to in a manner known as intelligence.

I would have pre-ordered TW3 from GOG; game looks beautiful, and former Bioware Chris Priestly is the new Community Mgr at their company. But I have objections to common content, and the lack of a Pause featured would create the need for many reloads. So I shall pass on the game, and await SkyWind.

 

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We had this type of logical arguments  in a class discussion way back in senior high. ..Aristotilean reason and rationality philosophy and debate techniques class.

 

One makes an assumption about another's "theory" and works their way to discredit that theory.  Also known as the introduction of a red herring into the argument/ discussion for the purpose of deflection/negating the other's argument.

 

Here are some past gems:

 

In his Rhetoric, Aristotle acknowledges that it would be better if we could make our case without either browbeating or flattering the audience; nothing should matter except "the bare facts." Yet he laments, "other things affect the result considerably, owing to the defects of our hearers."
— Stanley Fish, in his blog "Think Again" in the New York Times, 2008.11.09
http://fish.blogs.ny...orture/?apage=1

"I soon realized that the correct use of propaganda is a true art which has remained practically unknown to the bourgeois parties. Only the Christian-Social movement, especially in Lueger's time, achieved a certain virtuosity on this instrument, to which it owed many of its successes."
— Adolf Hitler, Mein Kampf, Volume 1, Chapter 6, "War Propaganda"

"Through clever and constant application of propaganda, people can be made to see paradise as hell, and also the other way round, to consider the most wretched sort of life as paradise."
— Adolf Hitler

"Propaganda," Goebbels once wrote, "has absolutely nothing to do with truth."

"In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act."
— George Orwell

[Morroian]

^^

Laidlaw was the navigator controller in hand.

 

The downturn in the franchise can essentially be traced to the moment Laidlaw took over from Brent Knowles.

[Amplitudelol]

I specifically told not to emphasize on the actual rating, but on the number of ratings. People dont give a **** to even rate it. That was the point.