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[xkg]

Not to be mean at all, but if you think that as a professional reviewer your score and review should be based 100% on your subjective opinion then it is as much worthy as any other good written review in Players Review section. Someone doing it professionally should be more objective.

That's just MO.

[shushNMD]

 

2 reviews 2 different reviewers. Again, personal opinions are just that. What is not a significant issue for one person maybe unbearable for another.Stop looking at a score as being the whole picture.

 

 

First of all, I don't want to sound like I am trying to troll you or insult you in any way, but I am very curious:

Let's imagine that I was the one reviewing DA:I (not at all possible, but for the sake of argument) and gave the game a whooping 5 out of 10 because it's my personal opinion of the game. Concluding that story is extremely cliched, bugs all over the place, horrendous PC controls, shallow characters and over all poorly designed RPG elements. And then you (nothing personal) came along and presented a totally different review that gives it a higher mark. Where would the editor go? Would my version of review even see the light of day? 

 

Scores may not be the whole picture, but were invented to make people decide more easily if the product is worth of purchase without giving a lot of thought.

Right now they are a tool of leverage, a marketing device, a trap and don't really reflect the quality, but rather "a personal reviewer's opinion". 

[Dubya75]

First off. I was not being diplomatic in my review. Thats not how reviews work. They are 100% personal opinion pieces. If they are not, then they have no value.

Secondly, I have not even intimated that the anger here is unwarranted. If anything I have stated that I understand it, and to a degree agree with it. Please read what I wrote, I made an observation and a request that the anger funneled differently to provide better, and easier to digest feedback. Agai;  more flies with honey.

 

As for the severity of the situation, that's a personal judgement call, and I can not state how another person feels about it.

 

I came here try and provide some feedback and hopefully shine a light a bit from a reviewers perspective. Not once have I suggesed that anyones opinion is invalid or their feelings unwarranted. If anything I have been stating the exact opposite the entire time.

 

I am not referring to your published review. I am purely talking about the post you made on this forum.

 

What you don't seem to fully grasp is that we DID use honey. We provided tons to positive feedback. The negativity is a direct result of Bioware's betrayal and subsequent silence. They don't have the balls to face up to their deliberately dishonest ploy in getting more PC sales.

 

Do you not recall what happened after the game was released? Everyone at Bioware went on vacation, leaving countless people with buggy games, some of whom were completely unable to play it! 

And then people like Mike Laidlaw comes back after his "extended" holiday and immediately takes a tone with fans that we are somehow being too aggressive towards them.

With that, Bioware pretty much stated that they don't give a flying **** about their fans.

 

And then they also drag their feet, providing game breaking bug patches, even now more than 5 months after the game was released!

 

How in the world do you expect us to now be positive towards Bioware?

[MrStoob]

My 2 cents on the issue as a whole.  Don't port, build.  YW.

[Innsmouth Dweller]

thanks, Cryocore! also: i like your review (opinion about DAI?), even if i don't agree with it entirely.

DAI is fun game. it really is. as latest Thief is a fun game.

 

problem is when you scratch the surface of beautiful graphics and casual entertainment or when you look at predecessors that you'd hoped it'll build upon. funny thing is some studios try to emulate those predecessors, exposing brilliant design and refining flaws. but the franchise that started revolution is now it's own effigy, copying most idiotic ideas from other titles, failing to recognize their strengths and cutting costs on programming

 

i am unable to look at DAI without remembering titles which made BW the greatest studio in the verse. i see DAI and i cannot believe my eyes.

[shushNMD]

@Cryocore
That is some impressive collection of games, not forgetting that Pipboy

[Amplitudelol]

Not to be mean at all, but if you think that as a professional reviewer your score and review should be based 100% on your subjective opinion then it is as much worthy as any other good written review in Players Review section. Someone doing it professionally should be more objective.

That's just MO.

 

He tells the facts. The obviously bad and the obviously good of it all. I guess what he is trying to say is it is inevitable to weigh them ojectively. Controls being bad has diferent weight for him than most of the players here (me amongst them). If you are a casual player looking for movie-like experience this game is absolutely for you and might be a 10/10. For people looking for in-depth tactical gameplay and almost that only this game is a total failure. Reviewers have a hard time trying to stay objective as possible with games of this caliber i think. If he gave a 5/10, then the other half of the community would be bashing him for it. At least he actually told the truth, not half truths and he gave a score of his own opinion based on his weighting of the facts not like most pro reviewers who only praised the good side and left out the bad. I respect that and i think more people like him should be doing this kind of thing. That being said the DA franchise is dead for me because even if they aknowledged that the controls are catastrophic and try better next time, the whole concept of DA series shifted into a direction i did not want to. Even if they actually finish the game and dont leave out promised parts of it at release...

[Drantwo]

@Cryocore

 

I think  some of the previous posts have made it clear about lots of things you've said in your OP. 

 

I have some off-topic things I want to ask you. Firstly, I'd love to know the specs of your current PC system. Also, I like your collection. Secondly, what's with with Rubic's cube on the right shelf ?

[Dubya75]

No publication would ever have more than one person review a single game. You may have a few people reviewing different versions of that game (XBO, PS4, and PC for instance), in those cases each review would be posted for that platform. If XBO got a 1 PC a 5 and the PS4 a 10 all 3 scores would go up. 

 

Additioanally there is generally ever one one review code that is provided to a publication. So multple reviews for one game simply will not happen, unless that publication wants to provide multiple perspectives on the game, but I don't know of any that do. Although that might be interesting.

 

 

How does someone give an objective opinion on a game, or a TV show, or a book. What you are doing is sharing an opinion. You are correct a well written player opinion is just as valid as a reviewers. The only real difference is that we aren't anonymous and potentially lack the bias of being a paying customer for that game and need to either defend the purchase, or punish the game if we feel that we didn't get our monies worth (although we may still be fans of the publisher/series/whatever). There really is no way to review anything objectively.

 

I know you're referring to my posts, that's what I am referring to as well.

I do fully grasp the full context of people's anger the failures of BioWare. I know all of this.

I'm not saying be positive. I'm requesting being more diplomatic.

Right now I feel you are being hostile to me, and we don't actually disagree on anything, but you posts and the feeling I get from how you reply prevent me from wanting to engage with you. You're pissed I get that. I too can be exactly the same, hell I'm almost renowned for it, but it achieves nothing.

 

You see feet dragging, and not caring. As someone who works in the industry that is likely not the case at all. Games are expensive and extremely complex. There are legal, contractual, logistic, technical, and any number of other issues that can lead to long waits in updating code, and even silence. I can tell you that if an audience only every throws hostility in a community, then it is likely that the company may see any interactions they make as potentially more fuel for the fire. I've read this entire thread, and almost every time a BioWare employee posts in here another series of insults and vitriolic posts begins. Regardless of what Bioware are saying. At a certain point staying out of the conversation can be the safest option. That shouldn't be the case, and it can (as it has here) make the situation worse.

 

You could be right about everything you are saying, but if that is the case then BioWare are indeed truly stupid as they are literally losing money as a result. Thing is I cant think of many companies that would actively engage in that sort of practice, but you're right that may be the case. I however don't think it is, and feel that a more open and less hostile environment would potentially be more productive.

 

My hostility is not aimed at your personally so I apologise if that is how I come across. As you are aware, I am extremely pissed off with Bioware and regardless of the actual reasons for their silence, the facts remain in what they sold to us to be a bloody expensive  "PC game". 

And that alone has made me determined to never pay for another Bioware game again. So they are losing my money (yes, a drop in the ocean, but I will also warn all my friends against buying anything Bioware - word gets around).

 

I will also add that Bioware had the opportunity to come clean and be transparent with us. Ubisoft did it. Even Bethesda Valve with the recent paid mods situation. And as a result they won back some goodwill and respect.

 

But where is Bioware? Nowhere to be found! They are too proud and arrogant to admit they ****** up.

They don't respect their fans. So we lose respect for them. And we close our wallets. They lose money.

[Amplitudelol]

@Cryocore

 

I think everyone some of the previous posts have made it clear about lots of things you've said in your OP. 

 

I have some off-topic things I want to ask you. Firstly, I'd love to know the specs of your current PC system. Also, I like your collection. Secondly, what's with with Rubic's cube on the right shelf ?

 

You mean the Rubik-kocka, the invention of Rubik Ernő?

 

Sorry, i just cant say nothing when something like this gets mentioned .

[Inex]

Review scores should not even exist because each reviewer has their personal opinions resulting in an arbitrary score. It's not hard to find 2 reviews pointing the same goods and bads but with different scores. How can you measure a game by a score if 7 and 8.5 could mean the same thing?

 

There is no point in computing statistics if your sample is made up of arbitrary values. Okay i'm probably being too harsh, but the variance of game scores is too high and biased to trust it.

[TobyJake]

@Cryocore.

 

I respect your input. Oil on troubled waters I think.

One thing you will have to take on board is the fact that this topic is taken up by serious Bioware fans.

Just read the first couple of pages of this topic and get the feel for the good wishes. Then move forward 720 pages without any input from anyone at Bioware.

The only input was obnoxious tweets from Darrah and Laidlaw. They did not post here, others saw the tweets and posted them here.

The most loyal fans have been here since November 2014. I know I have been here since 20 November 2014 after I ran to the game shop and returned with my copy.

Bioware's reputation is in tatters and the sad part is that it could have been so different. Totally self inflicted.

Any vitriol is totally deserved. That is not right but what can you expect after 5+  months of no response.

After the total silence from Bioware I am sure that if they could someone would have initiated legal action.

 

Bioware have let this situation get to this state. Not an outside entity! It is totally internal. People I have total respect for have posted here and have now left. 

That is an absolute tragedy. I know who I hold accountable. I have stated it many times, so no need to repeat.

Weekly newsletter on what they were working on would have done wonders, but all we heard was GOTY claims on twitter.

PR Handling 1/10. PC UI 4/10 DAI Graphics 9/10 Inventory 5/10

[Morroian]

You seem to be confused about what I wrote, and again seem to fixate on the score. I rated the experience as 8.5. Warts and all that's my honest appraisal. To insinuate that my score is inflated or dishonest is insulting. My enjoyment is just that; mine. Anyone elses thoughts or feelings literally have no impact on what I think. Just as my opinion should have no impact on how you feel. So please take a step back and stop trying to undermine another persons opinion because you do not agree with it. For me the control issues were not enough of an issues to taint my experience with the game.

 

I enjoyed my time with the game very very much. It still did not make my top 5 games of 2014 though (Divinity: Original Sin, Shadow of Mordor, Shadowrun: Dragonfall, Wasteland 2 and Transistor took those spots), but still feel its an exceptional experience. Again that is my opinion, and nothing more than that.

 

I acknowledge what you say and thanks for your feedback but IMHO most readers would think that your review and score do not line up together which means your scoring system is flawed and the flow on from that to metacritic is to skew the score too far up. 

[Elhanan]

I acknowledge what you say and thanks for your feedback but IMHO most readers would think that your review and score do not line up together which means your scoring system is flawed and the flow on from that to metacritic is to skew the score too far up.

Then again, the math used on metacritic is already skewed, and seemingly has been for some time. Pls look at this older article:

http://www.brainygam...metacritic.html

[Elhanan]

I've long dismissed Metacritic as a distorted metric, and I actively discourage my students from allowing it to influence their choices of games to play. If you're looking for guidance, I tell them, identify a few reviewers or critics whose sensibilities seem to align with your own and carefully read their responses to the games they play. Don't get handcuffed by a number.[/size]

This is exactly what I think! Thanks for the link!

Ironically, after reading your review, while I disagree over some points, but agree on more of them, the final score matches my own for different reasons. That gave me a chuckle.
 

[shushNMD]

 

I've long dismissed Metacritic as a distorted metric, and I actively discourage my students from allowing it to influence their choices of games to play. If you're looking for guidance, I tell them, identify a few reviewers or critics whose sensibilities seem to align with your own and carefully read their responses to the games they play. Don't get handcuffed by a number.

 

My favorite one and the one I follow since 2000's gave DA:I a 6 out 10. And I agree on every point he made about the game. The problem with him is that it takes him so much time to review the game (since they're very indie and don't get any "review code" for the game), that by the time he finally reviews it, it's already cold dead. 

 

I take metacritic with a hand full of salt, since most of the posts are "OMG, zis game iz AWSAM!! 10/10" or "sucks, EA should die, 0/10", but (and yet again this is my own opinion) if the game got a major outcry of negativity I just pass by and don't pick it up as a rule.

 

Didn't happen with DA:I and I'm very disappointed in the purchase. 

Be sure as hell that any new game that EA/Bio creates will be avoided like plague. 

[Inex]

Actually they perfectly align, as thats how it was writen and is exactly what I think. Your opinion on the game is possibly distorting your perception of the content, or potentially just  likely you see the issues I have with the game and consider them to be a bigger issue than I do. So what is a minor issue for me is more significant to you. As I stated many times the issues I have and that they did not detract from my experience. I said it in the review and here as well. 

 

I've long dismissed Metacritic as a distorted metric, and I actively discourage my students from allowing it to influence their choices of games to play. If you're looking for guidance, I tell them, identify a few reviewers or critics whose sensibilities seem to align with your own and carefully read their responses to the games they play. Don't get handcuffed by a number.

 

This is exactly what I think! Thanks for the link!

 

 

You agree that people have different perceptions so your 8.5 could mean a 6.0 or a 9.5 to them. You also agree that people shouldn't look at the score for guidance. Not trying to be rude but why give it a score then? I'm just curious. If you believe players should read the review and ignore the score i don't see a good reason to give it one. you are just contributing to those biased numbers we see in metacritic which I don't care about, but the gaming industry and many gamers do. And it obviously influences them.

[Lilithor]

Then again, the math used on metacritic is already skewed, and seemingly has been for some time. Pls look at this older article:

http://www.brainygam...metacritic.html

If that's the case I should avoid reading any review from any reviewer that did not hack the site to give DA:Inquisition scores below 0