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[Baalthazar]

Forgive just picking on you but I didn't want a quote train of multiple people. And since you are the first to reply, you get to be the victim   

Yes even if you played Origins and DAII with WASD and RMB there are still challenges to overcome but the most basic one, that of controlling your main character, is the same as you'd have in those previous two titles.

Yes lthings may irritate but those things may not mount up to something that makes you want to stop playing. However for me that played Origins and DAII differently, those irritations just compound on top of an already alien experience.

it's not as if I am against playing with WASD. I love the Mass Effect trilogy. But I play Mass Effect and Dragon Age for different experiences.

 

 

I don't think anyone is disputing that WASD is available in DA:I, as it was in DA:O and DA II.

 

I did use WASD to control my character out of combat (in fact, DA:O was the first game I did use WASD instead of point-and-click), and sometimes in combat. However, I also used point-and-click, which is absent in DA:I combat camera.  While it is available in Tac Cam, there are other problems with the parallel systems.

 

So, yes, part of the control scheme from DA:O and DA II is present in DA:I, but that does not mean the control scheme is the same.

 

It may not have been enough for *you* to quit.  We're all different and have different levels of tolerance for things, and get different things out of the series.  For me, I spent as much time trying to figure out how to play the game as I did actually playing the game.  That's not fun. The control scheme in combat is not fun.  Even though you use WASD to move your character, movement is sluggish, and there are other considerations, such as having to re-map the search function to Tab, pause to Space, etc.  Even after re-mapping the keys, it still wasn't fun.  It was frustrating.  It distracted me from the story. 

 

I mentioned this before, but aside and apart from the un-fun control scheme, lack of customizeable ability scores, and the confusing inventory screen, the story wasn't grabbing me or making much sense, and I experienced two continuity-breaking events in the prologue alone.  It was as if BioWare was foreshadowing the disappointment that would inevitably follow if I played any further.

 

So, while the control scheme is my most immediate complaint, it is not my only one.

 

Maybe I'll go back and give it another go at some point, but after reading so much about the myriad other problems with the game (fetch quests, empty zones, poor story, inquisitor feeling like minion rather than a leader, watered-down magic system, etc.), it may not be worth the bother.

[voteDC]

It may not have been enough for *you* to quit.  We're all different and have different levels of tolerance for things, 

That is exactly my point. Go back in the thread and you'll find me posting the same thing.

However it isn't unfair to say, that as a general rule, people who played Origins and DAII with WASD have less issues with the control scheme than people who used the other control methods.

[Baalthazar]

That is exactly my point. Go back in the thread and you'll find me posting the same thing.

However it isn't unfair to say, that as a general rule, people who played Origins and DAII with WASD have less issues with the control scheme than people who used the other control methods.

 

I don't know, I can't really speak for other people.  I know that I used WASD in both DA:O and DA II (and KOTOR, KOTOR II, Skyrim, Fallout 3, Fallout: New Vegas, and WoW), and I had a really un-fun time with the DA: I control scheme.  It's not the WASD that's problematic for me.  It's the lack of point-and-click for both movement and auto-attack.

 

However, if you never used point-and-click, I can see why BioWare taking it out wouldn't be a problem for you.

[They call me a SpaceCowboy]

I don't know, I can't really speak for other people.  I know that I used WASD in both DA:O and DA II (and KOTOR, KOTOR II, Skyrim, Fallout 3, Fallout: New Vegas, and WoW), and I had a really un-fun time with the DA: I control scheme.  It's not the WASD that's problematic for me.  It's the lack of point-and-click for both movement and auto-attack.

 

However, if you never used point-and-click, I can see why BioWare taking it out wouldn't be a problem for you.

 

That and even the WASD movement can be clunky, especially in combat when you are melee

[Archerwarden]

I don't know, I can't really speak for other people.  I know that I used WASD in both DA:O and DA II (and KOTOR, KOTOR II, Skyrim, Fallout 3, Fallout: New Vegas, and WoW), and I had a really un-fun time with the DA: I control scheme.  It's not the WASD that's problematic for me.  It's the lack of point-and-click for both movement and auto-attack.
 
However, if you never used point-and-click, I can see why BioWare taking it out wouldn't be a problem for you.

This. The auto-attack is very slow and still gets confused when there are clustered enemies or trees, leaves are in the way. Pointed at an enemy and having your character attack or selecting a skill first was a much better design.

[Archerwarden]

Erm, I played Planet Explorers alpha right before DAI, and that game is WASD and RMB for camera control. I STILL had issues with DAI, most noticeably the lack of walking that I was on about for months.
 
I even gave them a roadmap here:
http://forum.bioware...rns/?p=18553827

those were and still are good suggestions, sure wish they implemented from the beginning.

[Sartoz]

That is exactly my point. Go back in the thread and you'll find me posting the same thing.

However it isn't unfair to say, that as a general rule, people who played Origins and DAII with WASD have less issues with the control scheme than people who used the other control methods.

 

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That's interesting. That general rule does not include me.  Why?

 

As an enthusiast of DA, I played Origins and DA2 in parallel leading to the game launch of DAI. I used whatever game controls were available to suite my play style. The good news is that playing both meant using the same controls (kb+m) with the same setup... I was able to move between the two without re-mapping anything. My fingers "did the walking" all by themselves.

 

DAI came along and surprise surprise. I played the game with "intuitive controls" as in DA:O and DA2. My left hand was using the keyboard with "muscle memory", as I was concentrating on playing this fantastic visual game. I had, at that time made no re-mapping effort. Why would I expect that?  In effect, playing the game in combat with my finger "muscle memory" meant that I was spinning 360 degrees getting nowhere fast. And that truely was a WTF moment! What am I doing wrong, here? I mean what happened to the controls?

 

Finally I went to options and realized the controls were "slightly" changed, except, playing with the new "improved" controls gave me finger cramps... really awkward fingering... totally unintuitive... yes, yes.. re-mapping helped.

 

Did I finally adapt? Well, yes.. if I wanted to play the game for my 60-70 dollars. Did I like the new controls? hell no... plus there is no reason to change them.... they worked fine before!!.

 

I ask, what is the valid reason for changing accepted and proven KB+M controls? (I'm not repeating other negative issues.. the list is too long).

[Sartoz]

Well, I am playing all three games parallell at the moment. Moving and target choosing is exactly the same, camera control as well, in and out of tac-cam too.

 

Jump instead of pause on space, f for loot, ctrl for pause and p for character sheet are the only noticable changes. That is hardly game-breaking.

 

 Big Snip

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Hmm... 14 posts and here you are.

 

One......., the controls are NOT the same.

 

Two ....., enemy selection functions differently because there is no auto-attack and auto-lock-on on enemy. Combat style just changed.

Three...., click-to-move disappeared .. ie: removal of past control functions = not the same.

Four......, player with a melee char must now follow the enemy... because.. you guessed it.. no auto-lock on.

 

I can go on.. .. .. ..

 

Edit: last played with patch 5.....as a ranged char.

Modifié par Sartoz, 03 mai 2015 - 02:18 .

[correctamundo]

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Hmm... 14 posts and here you are.

 

One......., the controls are NOT the same.

 

Two ....., enemy selection functions differently because there is no auto-attack and auto-lock-on on enemy. Combat style just changed.

Three...., click-to-move disappeared .. ie: removal of past control functions = not the same.

Four......, player with a melee char must now follow the enemy... because.. you guessed it.. no auto-lock on.

 

I can go on.. .. .. ..

 

Edit: last played with patch 5.....as a ranged char.

 

Yes, of course there are differences. I gave some examples. But there are more similarities than differences. If there were no differences we may as well play DAO. But it is not 2009 anymore. They have to move on. They have to implement new abilities and those abilities must be mapped to the keyboard as well. Since most of the games, at least i have played, out there have jump on space at least I am happy for that choice. I find that it is far more convenient in combat than trying to jump with the pinky on ctrl.

 

Glad you got the condescending "I can go on....." in there, it is always a laugh, or as some prefer I could go on and on and on...

 

Auto-attack isn't all that efficient in the earlier productions either.

 

There are of course always things that would have been preferable in another way. Every game have those. I find tac cam in among the trees a bit tricky. But that is a very long way from what is going on this thread.

 

Well anyway...back to Thedas for som memorable escapism =).

[DragonsDream]

The level of disgust and outright contempt I have for people who come here to this thread and tell others that they are being whiny and everything is fine and wonder why we are complaining cannot be be put into words I am allowed to use here. You people are a microcosm of what's wrong with the world. You are basically saying "it's not a problem because it's not a problem for me" because I guess, you are just a special snowflake and the rest of us are just entitled whiners. Of course, the reality is, you are the entitled whiner, complaining about people complaining about a problem they have that you don't. "It's not my problem, so why are you whining? Just be more like me, and you won't have this problem"

 

Just go away. Please. Go. Away.

[Archerwarden]

But it is not 2009 anymore. They have to move on.

Well at least you didn't say 'moving forward'. The direction Bioware took is a backward direction from DAO and even DA2.
Not much of what you just posted made sense. Jump on space works for you that is because you prefer it- did you not understand that? Not every PC player wants that setup but of course if it works for you then it should for everyone right?

<shakes head>

If your not having pc concerns yourself - exactly why are you in this thread?

[Elhanan]

So misunderstood....

Don't believe I have stated that because I have not have had problem X, that said problem does not exist. What I try to relay to those posting said problems that the cause may not be with DAI; might originate in the system, settings, etc. This possibility seems especially true when those posting of problems mention something of which I have a personal issue (eg; sub-titles hard to read, controls causing hand cramps, other personal health or experiences seem to indicate another possible source).

But as experience on the forums has also indicated, many do not read using comprehension, context, or objectivity; simply seeing red due to the tinted opinions they choose to wear.

[Baalthazar]

To troll and to try frustrate others from posting. It's not like someone is asking questions of why or what? It's the "I don't have a problem with the game and neither should you..." remarks that just shows how some people are so obnoxious or so self-correct that it only comes off as trolling. I just added another troll to the ignore list. I thought Correctamundo might be a genuine person coming to the thread to find a solution to their problem, but no... it's a fanboy/girl acting like an authority on all Bioware matters. By the way, people like Elhanan, Gitcheater and apparently Correctamundo won't get it. EVER. They're too self-righteous to understand that these forums were meant to be read by the maker of the thread itself... not some fanboy/girl. Which creeps me out to no end that someone who doesn't have any ties or concerns to Bioware would take up such a position to come out here and troll other posters.

 

I have to say, though I generally agree with this post, I haven't seen the same tone of snark and condescension from Elhanan that I've seen from Correctamundo.

 

I've had some exchanges with Elhanan that were pleasant, though we disagreed.

[GithCheater]

I posted the below in the "Absense of Bioware Reps." topic almost a week ago, and temporarily refrained from reposting it in this topic, but Cyanide Claw pushed my buttons again with his poison... Trying to shut down an opposing viewpoint by using "troll", "fanboy" and "Bioware operative" labels to discredit any contrary opinions.

 

I looked at this topic one month ago wondering why it was still active, and was shocked by the vitriol I saw.  I also was annoyed with the implication that 95% of PC players disliked DAI when the reality appears to be closer to 50% positive versus 50% negative.  I want to see DA4 not be cancelled because of venomous opinions

 

The majority of posters in this thread don't "Get It" and only want to silence any opposing viewpoints in this thread.

 

The only thing I "Don't Get" is how some people prefer DA2 over DAI ...

 

 

GithCheater, on 28 Apr 2015 - 11:49 PM, said:

 

The "PC Commmunity Concerns topic in the Announce Section has some good constructive criticism, but the last 3 weeks of that topic also has a lot of venom:

 

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SNIPPED out quotes  from the "Absense" thread.

 

[AidanSFable]

Well anyway...back to Thedas for som memorable escapism =).

 

Oh you decided to replay Origins?

[GithCheater]

Seriously... off-topic stuff...

 

Waiting six years for Pac-Man to diminish in power is just petty and cowardice. Mayweather won, but he lost so much respect. Yeah, he's a champion, but he failed to convince the rest of the boxing community that he's a legend. 

 

Seems we have another conspiracy theory ...

 

I guess Elhanan, Gitcheater and Correctamundo are not real RPG fans, just like Mayweather is not a real legend.

[AidanSFable]

The only thing I "Don't Get" is how some people prefer DA2 over DAI ...

 

I loved DA2. The combat was very fun and the repetitive backdrops never really bothered me. I do see how people could find fault with it, however, I never did. I also just cared more about the characters and what was going on (perhaps because I was a human noble in Origins, and so my family was murdered - before I really cared about them), I felt like my Warden had nothing else to lose. 

 

DAI has rendered itself virtually unplayable. At least for me. The controls are counter-intuitive and the combat is clunky (melee is just plain dreadful). The art style is easily the worst in the series, at least for me.

 

I think I still prefer DAO over DA2, however, as far as I'm concerned DAI isn't even close to either.

[GithCheater]

The characters were almost the only reason for me to replay DA2.

[Elhanan]

I loved DA2. The combat was very fun and the repetitive backdrops never really bothered me. I do see how people could find fault with it, however, I never did. I also just cared more about the characters and what was going on (perhaps because I was a human noble in Origins, and so my family was murdered - before I really cared about them), I felt like my Warden had nothing else to lose. 
 
DAI has rendered itself virtually unplayable. At least for me. The controls are counter-intuitive and the combat is clunky (melee is just plain dreadful). The art style is easily the worst in the series, at least for me.
 
I think I still prefer DAO over DA2, however, as far as I'm concerned DAI isn't even close to either.

The art style being subjective will vary between Players, but much prefer DAI to DA2 as far as areas, Elves and Darkspawn are concerned. My own fave Darkspawn appearances are the ones from DAA. And the Dragons in DAI are my faves overall.

[Archerwarden]

I posted the below in the "Absense of Bioware Reps." topic almost a week ago, and temporarily refrained from reposting it in this topic, but Cyanide Claw pushed my buttons again with his poison... Trying to shut down an opposing viewpoint by using "troll", "fanboy" and "Bioware operative" labels to discredit any contrary opinions.
 
I looked at this topic one month ago wondering why it was still active, and was shocked by the vitriol I saw.  I also was annoyed with the implication that 95% of PC players disliked DAI when the reality appears to be closer to 50% positive versus 50% negative.  I want to see DA4 not be cancelled because of venomous opinions
 
The majority of posters in this thread don't "Get It" and only want to silence any opposing viewpoints in this thread.
 
The only thing I "Don't Get" is how some people prefer DA2 over DAI ...

I guess that is where we differ. I don't see venom, vitriol or posters wanting to shut down opposing views from the people who are having actual pc concerns. I see passionate people who love the DAverse having real pc issues and just want to be heard and want Bioware to fix the issues. Not all of us are wordsmiths, working our sentences so that Jane Austen herself would be proud (I sure am not).
I think you will read into what people write what you are expecting.

I can only speak for myself I would like Bioware to succeed and make DA4 as well as ME4. I absolutely love the DA and ME verse.
As I have posted continually, I actually like the game and was just playing it a few moments ago and will continue a bit later. However, I would like Bioware to fix some PC issues.
What is frustrating is when people come on this thread and say things like "you need to adapt" "venom", "hostile" there is no need for that.
I understand you want this thread to terminate, others probably do to but you know it does serve a purpose for those of us who are still experience pc issues to discuss together. Is that wrong?

I loved DA2 by they way it had a great story and Fenris

[Archerwarden]

The characters were almost the only reason for me to replay DA2.

Oh the companions were great in DA2 - Aveline, Fenris, Isabella, Merril, of course my Varric, Bethany, Carver.

DAI has some great companions also: Dorian, Cassandra, Sera, Vivienne are well done. Actually Cassandra reminds me a bit of Aveline, strong yet beautiful. Where Aveline's moral compass and inner strength almost never swayed Cassandra seems to doubt herself.

[Archerwarden]

The art style being subjective will vary between Players, but much prefer DAI to DA2 as far as areas, Elves and Darkspawn are concerned. My own fave Darkspawn appearances are the ones from DAA. And the Dragons in DAI are my faves overall.

oh that's true Elhanan. I like both art styles- both are different but each fit the story. The Dragons in DAI are so beautiful. Have you ever just stood and watched them for a while?

[Elhanan]

oh that's true Elhanan. I like both art styles- both are different but each fit the story. The Dragons in DAI are so beautiful. Have you ever just stood and watched them for a while?

Yes, especially on the Storm Coast and the Western Approach; both appearances were quite epic, IMO. Also the one in Crestwood was rather enjoyable, too.