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[Baalthazar]

                                                                 

Bio is seems doesn't talk to the Origins people as well..... or so it seems.  Origins' purpose is digital delivery, DRM verification, game advertising, recording game metrics, game saving/restore to and from the cloud and "sticking its nose where it doesn't belong."  Patch delivery and install appears to be missing from its original design concept. Thus the two appear to have a stormy realtionship. 

 

Why on earth Origins can't simply download the patch to the gamers' machine and install it from there is something I don't understand. This avoids duplicate downloading in case of problems. This approach also allows for the gamer to continue playing while the patch downloads in the background.

 

It's bizarre to me that you still can't purchase DA II DLC on Origin (you have to get them through BioWare points on their website), and they still don't have a DA II complete edition on Origin.  

[Baalthazar]

One thing I have noticed though. Regardless of the class or race you play, you get exactly the same dialogue. They tack on a sentence here and there, but dialogue is identical.

 

 

I seem to remember that BioWare originally announced humans a the only playable race for this game a couple of years ago.  Fan backlash was huge, so they included more playable races.  I suspect that most of the dialogue had already been written by that point, which is why it's the same for whatever race you play.

[Bethgael]

So, my experiences with the game are OK. I personally love it, though I do wish there were more voice options for characters. 

 

However, a few weird glitches have occured while playing. Pictures to follow.

 

 

^ where am I, what is that rabbit in a hat thing, and why is cassandra floating in midair? I was just trying to go chat up Leliana!

 

 

 

Just trying to leave skyhold and the world is clearly screwed up even more than it was when the freaking breach hit. 

 

 

Anyone else have or had this problem? 

 

The first one is a vanilla glitch that led to an unintended "easter egg" underneath (the weird pie thingy). It's been noted on kokahu, etc, and 'm a wee bit jealous I haven't seen it in my game yet.

 

However, the second.... /sigh (not directed at you)

 

Important (even if seemingly unrelated) question: Do you have the Jaws of Hakkon DLC?

[Absolkitty]

The first one is a vanilla glitch that led to an unintended "easter egg" underneath (the weird pie thingy). It's been noted on kokahu, etc, and 'm a wee bit jealous I haven't seen it in my game yet.

 

However, the second.... /sigh (not directed at you)

 

Important (even if seemingly unrelated) question: Do you have the Jaws of Hakkon DLC?

 

I've gotten that vanilla glitch at least three times so far, and I've only had the game a month!

 

Secondly, no, I do not have the new DLC. Yet. 

[Dutchess]

So, finally bought this thing on sale for €30... Let the PC run the entire night the finish the download. Now the game won't launch because Origin's activation fails. *sigh* Oh EA.

[Amplitudelol]

Lol, pc version of the game (strictly subjectiv opinion:) became so unpopular you would have a hard time finding a torrent with sufficient seeds. Let alone its dlc. Just saying. Even the pirates dont give a damn by now?

[Bethgael]

I've gotten that vanilla glitch at least three times so far, and I've only had the game a month!

 

Secondly, no, I do not have the new DLC. Yet. 

 

Okay, so it's not the bug we found in beta.

Have you tried a repair? May not help. But, can.

[Ashen Nedra]

Lol, pc version of the game (strictly subjectiv opinion:) became so unpopular you would have a hard time finding a torrent with sufficient seeds. Let alone its dlc. Just saying. Even the pirates dont give a damn by now?

Seriously?

[DavianBurke]

Seriously?

 

He's right. I just called a friend that uses the torrents and asked him if he could check. Calls me back like 5 minutes later and says there are none for the DLC. 

 

Could that not just be excellent DRM? I mean, hell, they still don't have a save game editor either, and that cannot be from disinterest as a save game editor would have helped with quite a few of the issues people were having. 

[Elhanan]

Feedback from elsewhere:

Spoiler

Mike Laidlaw ‏@Mike_Laidlaw

Some things we, as devs, wanted to fix before launch, but time just ran out (e.g. inventory storage)…



User

Then delay the game. Don't release it and then say, oh there are other features we wanted to add but we ran out of time.



Mike Laidlaw ‏@Mike_Laidlaw

That is not a reality in most development cycles, unfortunately.



User

Which is sad, because in some situations the fans are the ones who suffer.



Mike Laidlaw ‏@Mike_Laidlaw

It depends. Certain features can improve a game, but not have a fundamental impact on the experience.



Mike Laidlaw ‏@Mike_Laidlaw

Other features are much deeper cuts that do affect players. As everything, you do the best you can in time available.





User

It kinda feels like @bioware isn't listening to our feedback most of the time to me. I usually see a lot of complaints



Mike Laidlaw ‏@Mike_Laidlaw

This is the internet. There are many complaints on it. We listen to them all, but may not agree with them or be able to fix all.





User

I just wished bioware would be more supportive towards the modding community. come out with a sdk even like Beth.



Mike Laidlaw ‏@Mike_Laidlaw

We would like to do that at some point, but there are some intense technical hurdles before we can.



User

worthy target. modding turned skyrim from a ok open world into a game still relevant 3+ years later. I want that for biogames



Mike Laidlaw ‏@Mike_Laidlaw

Origins had a similar mod platform, but Frostbite is a much different beast. Many integrated, yet external, pieces.

Spoiler

User

Are the "Skyhold Pajamas" a thing you can, can't, or won't fix (e.g. by giving more outfit choices)? I'd like that closure.



Mike Laidlaw ‏@Mike_Laidlaw

Assume they will not be fixed.




User

(1/2) don't understand game finance, why's it cheaper to keep a team fixing bugs and adding things (storage) than to release..



User

(2/2) a more completed product? Is it because with the advent of multi-player you have to maintain a team post release anyway?



Mike Laidlaw ‏@Mike_Laidlaw

Finishing a game is a multi-month process in which even tiny mistakes can wreck very tightly coordinated schedules.



Mike Laidlaw @Mike_Laidlaw


You must be VERY risk averse during that time and adding small features introduces far more work and risk than it would seem.



Mike Laidlaw @Mike_Laidlaw


Post release, there is less risk, more time to test, and there are always bugs to be addressed. Between bugs, some feature…



Mike Laidlaw @Mike_Laidlaw


…work makes sense, and can be justified as a way to add to player experience goodwill in advance of anything from future games..



Mike Laidlaw @Mike_Laidlaw


…to DLC.

Spoiler

Mike Laidlaw ‏@Mike_Laidlaw

…time. Others because they represent choices we make as content creators. In all cases, for DAI we tried to be upfront wherever possible…



User

what like the now laughable made for pc video



Mike Laidlaw ‏@Mike_Laidlaw

I certainly would like to improve PC controls further if we do another. For now, numerous patches out based on feedback.





User

in hindsight would you have shifted some content development resources to DAIMP away from campaign?



Mike Laidlaw ‏@Mike_Laidlaw

Nope.



User

don't understand? SP had arguably too much content while 3 levels at launch for MP was quite sparse.



Mike Laidlaw ‏@Mike_Laidlaw

I would have changed elements of SP, not moved them to MP.





User

One question.Are you and your team planning to make Hero of ferelden DLC stop the calling with inquisitor?That would be cool!!



Mike Laidlaw ‏@Mike_Laidlaw

I cannot discuss future content or storylines in any way.





User

Any chance of party banter ever working as players are expecting it to work? Stopped me from playing even though I preordered.



Mike Laidlaw ‏@Mike_Laidlaw

It's been addressed in several patches, but I still see some reports of it happening. We'll keep digging.

[They call me a SpaceCowboy]

Feedback from elsewhere:

Spoiler

Mike Laidlaw ‏@Mike_Laidlaw

Some things we, as devs, wanted to fix before launch, but time just ran out (e.g. inventory storage)…



User

Then delay the game. Don't release it and then say, oh there are other features we wanted to add but we ran out of time.



Mike Laidlaw ‏@Mike_Laidlaw

That is not a reality in most development cycles, unfortunately.



User

Which is sad, because in some situations the fans are the ones who suffer.



Mike Laidlaw ‏@Mike_Laidlaw

It depends. Certain features can improve a game, but not have a fundamental impact on the experience.



Mike Laidlaw ‏@Mike_Laidlaw

Other features are much deeper cuts that do affect players. As everything, you do the best you can in time available.





User

It kinda feels like @bioware isn't listening to our feedback most of the time to me. I usually see a lot of complaints



Mike Laidlaw ‏@Mike_Laidlaw

This is the internet. There are many complaints on it. We listen to them all, but may not agree with them or be able to fix all.





User

I just wished bioware would be more supportive towards the modding community. come out with a sdk even like Beth.



Mike Laidlaw ‏@Mike_Laidlaw

We would like to do that at some point, but there are some intense technical hurdles before we can.



User

worthy target. modding turned skyrim from a ok open world into a game still relevant 3+ years later. I want that for biogames



Mike Laidlaw ‏@Mike_Laidlaw

Origins had a similar mod platform, but Frostbite is a much different beast. Many integrated, yet external, pieces.

Spoiler

User

Are the "Skyhold Pajamas" a thing you can, can't, or won't fix (e.g. by giving more outfit choices)? I'd like that closure.



Mike Laidlaw ‏@Mike_Laidlaw

Assume they will not be fixed.




User

(1/2) don't understand game finance, why's it cheaper to keep a team fixing bugs and adding things (storage) than to release..



User

(2/2) a more completed product? Is it because with the advent of multi-player you have to maintain a team post release anyway?



Mike Laidlaw ‏@Mike_Laidlaw

Finishing a game is a multi-month process in which even tiny mistakes can wreck very tightly coordinated schedules.



Mike Laidlaw @Mike_Laidlaw


You must be VERY risk averse during that time and adding small features introduces far more work and risk than it would seem.



Mike Laidlaw @Mike_Laidlaw


Post release, there is less risk, more time to test, and there are always bugs to be addressed. Between bugs, some feature…



Mike Laidlaw @Mike_Laidlaw


…work makes sense, and can be justified as a way to add to player experience goodwill in advance of anything from future games..



Mike Laidlaw @Mike_Laidlaw


…to DLC.

Spoiler

Mike Laidlaw ‏@Mike_Laidlaw

…time. Others because they represent choices we make as content creators. In all cases, for DAI we tried to be upfront wherever possible…



User

what like the now laughable made for pc video



Mike Laidlaw ‏@Mike_Laidlaw

I certainly would like to improve PC controls further if we do another. For now, numerous patches out based on feedback.





User

in hindsight would you have shifted some content development resources to DAIMP away from campaign?



Mike Laidlaw ‏@Mike_Laidlaw

Nope.



User

don't understand? SP had arguably too much content while 3 levels at launch for MP was quite sparse.



Mike Laidlaw ‏@Mike_Laidlaw

I would have changed elements of SP, not moved them to MP.





User

One question.Are you and your team planning to make Hero of ferelden DLC stop the calling with inquisitor?That would be cool!!



Mike Laidlaw ‏@Mike_Laidlaw

I cannot discuss future content or storylines in any way.





User

Any chance of party banter ever working as players are expecting it to work? Stopped me from playing even though I preordered.



Mike Laidlaw ‏@Mike_Laidlaw

It's been addressed in several patches, but I still see some reports of it happening. We'll keep digging.

 

Thanks for posting the feedback. So, sounds like they will make better PC controls in the next game? Everyone can stop waiting now?

[Elhanan]

Thanks for posting the feedback. So, sounds like they will make better PC controls in the next game? Everyone can stop waiting now?

That is what someone else thought, too.

[Baalthazar]

So, sounds like they will make better PC controls in the next game?

 

I'm skeptical after getting burned by two consecutive DA games.

 

I'm sorry to be so pessimistic, but I can't help but think they won't make DA 4 any better.  I see a parallel with the problems in DA II that many of us seemed to think that they would fix with DA: I and didn't really.

It's not like they don't know how to make better PC controls.  They *chose* not to make better PC controls, and then they told us that DA: I would have good PC controls.  I don't believe what BioWare reps tell me any more.  I'll wait and see what they do.

 

BTW, thanks, Elhanan, for posting.  It was an interesting read.  Can you comment on the source?

[AlphaHelix]

 

So, sounds like they will make better PC controls in the next game? Everyone can stop waiting now?

 

Damn... : (

 

Where did this direct feedback come from? Twitter?

Just curious how user(s) got direct responses from Mike Laidlaw while this forum remains a ghost town in terms of official Bioware responses.

[Elhanan]

I'm skeptical, after getting burned by two consecutive DA games.
 
I'm sorry to be so pessimistic, but I can't help but think they won't make DA 4 any better.  I see a parallel with the problems in DA II that many of us seemed to think that they would fix with DA: I and didn't really.

It's not like they don't know how to make better PC controls.  They *chose* not to make better PC controls, and then they told us that DA: I would have good PC controls.  I don't believe what BioWare reps tell me any more.  I'll wait and see what they do.
 
BTW, thanks, Elhanan, for posting.  It was an interesting read.  Can you comment on the source?

DA Twitter Thread:

http://forum.bioware...video/page-3020

[Richiesdisplayname]

He's right. I just called a friend that uses the torrents and asked him if he could check. Calls me back like 5 minutes later and says there are none for the DLC. 

 

Could that not just be excellent DRM? I mean, hell, they still don't have a save game editor either, and that cannot be from disinterest as a save game editor would have helped with quite a few of the issues people were having. 

It's the way updates/patches/DLC is set up. I've obviously only played a regular, legal copy, but the way pirating works doesn't gel with their patching process, and you need current patches to use DLC. It's a great strategy against pirating if you ask me. Unfortunately, it makes us modders work extra hard too, but that's okay. I LOVE my DAI mods.

[Amplitudelol]

Yeah, DLC is understandable. If i really wanted to download a cracked PC Inquisition now even an unpached one i simply could not . I really could not find D:. An AAA 600x Game of the Year title. On the other hand there is plenty of PSx or Xbox version to choose from, thats telling isnt it? If something is any good its torrent does not die, because the people interested in it keep it alive. Inquisition died.

 

Spoiler

Keep in mind, that peer to peer is basically not a bad thing and not neccessarily for pirating. Side note: f*** the hacker pirates!

[They call me a SpaceCowboy]

I'm skeptical after getting burned by two consecutive DA games.

 

I'm sorry to be so pessimistic, but I can't help but think they won't make DA 4 any better.  I see a parallel with the problems in DA II that many of us seemed to think that they would fix with DA: I and didn't really.

It's not like they don't know how to make better PC controls.  They *chose* not to make better PC controls, and then they told us that DA: I would have good PC controls.  I don't believe what BioWare reps tell me any more.  I'll wait and see what they do.

 

BTW, thanks, Elhanan, for posting.  It was an interesting read.  Can you comment on the source?

 

Oh, that's what I meant. I took it to mean they are not making any further changes to the PC UI in DAI.

 

Whether the next game they make will have better M&KB controls? Yeah I'm sceptical about that as well

[They call me a SpaceCowboy]

Damn... : (

 

Where did this direct feedback come from? Twitter?

Just curious how user(s) got direct responses from Mike Laidlaw while this forum remains a ghost town in terms of official Bioware responses.

 

Yeah they seems to have abandoned these boards in favour of the more 'fashionable' twitter and other social media. They even announce the beta testing phases on twitter only instead of their own forums.

[Jackal19851111]

So, finally bought this thing on sale for €30... Let the PC run the entire night the finish the download. Now the game won't launch because Origin's activation fails. *sigh* Oh EA.

 

After all this time, after you finally bought it... and it doesn't run. Not even worth the 30 euros it seems

[AlphaHelix]

Thanks @Shinian.

 

I'm guessing that Bioware probably views this thread as a Blight that they wish would magically disappear... (e.g. detracts away from the GOTY awards, excellent sales & otherwise glowing reviews)

 

Frankly, I'd appreciate a simple statement from Bioware indicating which PC issues they plan on fixing and which they won't fix (e.g. controls) - with corresponding rationale & apologies. It's quite obvious that Bioware has failed to manage expectations within the PC community and hasn't been appropriately responsive or communicative. As with the Twitter responses, the truth would go a long way to alleviating some of the vitriol & resentment towards the game / developer and allow us to move on accordingly.

 

I'm a Console & PC gamer and I elected to buy DA:I on PC because of the RTS genre & amazing DA:2 KB+M controls (before discovering this thread) - I'm such an idiot : p. Never in my wildest dreams did I think Bioware could screw up the KB+M controls after it's acclaimed 20 year history of making RPGs. It's like McDonald's somehow managing to screw up their french fries!

 

Now I need to decide whether an Xbox 360 Controller for PC is a worthwhile investment or to abandon the game altogether. I actually haven't installed or played DA:I yet because I was hoping my virgin experience would be unspoiled by bugs & control issues - also, I'm busy with Skyrim atm : ).

[TobyJake]

Having read the Twitter feeds it has become painfully obvious that what you have is all you will get.

No point continuing with this thread at all, as Mr Laidlaw is having his ego polished on Twitter and would never come here.

The reason we have crap controls is because of the Engine? That is as big a lie as Made by PC Gamers...

[DavianBurke]

Finally finished the game despite several crashes. Clearly something broke between patches 2 and now. The ending was alright, would have had me fired up for DA4 if only it was being put out by a different studio. Ah well. BioWare gave me thousands of hours of entertaining gaming before this lousy experience. Thankful for that, thankful for the ability to complete this game... though it took almost 6 months after launch thanks to bugs they refused to fix earlier. 

 

I may pop in again after Witcher 3 launches to see what's gone on. 

[Sartoz]

Thanks for posting the feedback. So, sounds like they will make better PC controls in the next game? Everyone can stop waiting now?

 

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Fully agree with Mike's comment regarding tight scheduling and domino effect on other tasks/projects if things go wrong. Based on my experience as Manager for the planning and task scheduling for moving IBM datacentres from one location to another.  I only had few problems hit me but then I was a demanding no nonsense type during those periods..... I think that was the reason my hair was thinning out...

[They call me a SpaceCowboy]

Thanks @Shinian.

 

I'm guessing that Bioware probably views this thread as a Blight that they wish would magically disappear... (e.g. detracts away from the GOTY awards, excellent sales & otherwise glowing reviews)

 

Frankly, I'd appreciate a simple statement from Bioware indicating which PC issues they plan on fixing and which they won't fix (e.g. controls) - with corresponding rationale & apologies. It's quite obvious that Bioware has failed to manage expectations within the PC community and hasn't been appropriately responsive or communicative. As with the Twitter responses, the truth would go a long way to alleviating some of the vitriol & resentment towards the game / developer and allow us to move on accordingly.

 

I'm a Console & PC gamer and I elected to buy DA:I on PC because of the RTS genre & amazing DA:2 KB+M controls (before discovering this thread) - I'm such an idiot : p. Never in my wildest dreams did I think Bioware could screw up the KB+M controls after it's acclaimed 20 year history of making RPGs. It's like McDonald's somehow managing to screw up their french fries!

 

Now I need to decide whether an Xbox 360 Controller for PC is a worthwhile investment or to abandon the game altogether. I actually haven't installed or played DA:I yet because I was hoping my virgin experience would be unspoiled by bugs & control issues - also, I'm busy with Skyrim atm : ).

 

Part of the problem with feedback is everyone wants something different. They can't please everyone. Their compromise seems to be to add walk toggle (should have been in the game from the start) and a better zoom in tac cam mode. I'd like them to remove tac cam mode altogether and make the game work like in Origins, others, like Elhanan like tac cam the way it is but would prefer other changes, like more abilities on the hotbar.

 

Problem with any of these big changes is someone else will be unhappy, and as Sartoz comments above, even small changes can cause big problems in other areas.

 

For what it's worth aside from game crashing errors, the game is playable, if clunky, on a PC. Ranged classes are less clunky than melee. Personally I enjoyed the story, and played on Normal to get through most of the combat quickly.

 

The inventory and crafting screens are an abomination in the eyes of the Maker, however.