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[Elhanan]

Actually the game is subject to a discount yet again...

I don't remember correctly but this should be the 4th or 5th discount(individual/storewide combined) for this game. Now i am not aware of EA's history but this may very well be some kind of a record apart from multiplayer focused games for EA(different marketing strategy by design) given how conservative they are on discounts.

The game might be a financial success, you might think that it was wildly successfull; but those discounts screams to me that it is way below EA' s expectations. And that is not a good sign...

Probably the game did not take off as DAO did after its launch window similar to DA2 indicating a shorter tail saleswise.

By that logic, TW3 must be in hot water, as it continues to offer a discount before launch....
 

[Novos]

By that logic, TW3 must be in hot water, as it continues to offer a discount before launch....
 

Well;

Your statement might be true; if you disregard the nature of pre-order offers or things like the Nvidia promotion

[Amaldur1]

Actually the game is subject to a discount yet again...

I don't remember correctly but this should be the 4th or 5th discount(individual/storewide combined) for this game. Now i am not aware of EA's history but this may very well be some kind of a record apart from multiplayer focused games for EA(different marketing strategy by design) given how conservative they are on discounts.

The game might be a financial success, you might think that it was wildly successfull; but those discounts screams to me that it is way below EA' s expectations. And that is not a good sign...

Probably the game did not take off as DAO did after its launch window similar to DA2 indicating a shorter tail saleswise.

 

This is the type of argument that is often bandied about on game forums. Normally, people speculate back and forth and nothing is ever settled. In this case, though, we know what the financial results were for EA. In large part based on the success of DA:I, revenues rose to a point where the company is purchasing back stock. It was a huge success.

 

That said, I understand why someone would want this game to fail. I personally was intensely disappointed by it to the point where I don't see much good in it except for the backgrounds. That's what seems to keep LOTRO going as well. I wonder if the next generation of gamers are satisfied with anything as long as the backdrops look pretty. Honestly, when I think of DA:I I think of quests where you click on a letter then walk to a glowing X and click on a dead body. WTH is that? The combat is terrible, the characterizations are sketchy, the story is hackneyed and cliche, the controls are clunky... there isn't much good.

 

At the same time, there is no denying the fact that this game has been a huge financial success and you can't even say, as sometimes people do, that it is riding the coattails of a fantastic predecessor. DA:2 was widely disliked. So this game, in no uncertain terms, is a hit.

 

It's painful because I really disliked the game but there you have it. People bought it. Critics liked it -- more than players, but still... it was a success.

 

P.S. I agree with Elhanon on the knight-enchanter point. If you feel that knight enchanter is broken because one attack is overpowered, then don't use that attack. I get that it "shouldn't" be that way, but if it is, and you continue using that attack, you are only making yourself miserable. You can play the class in a way that doesn't ruin the gameplay. Yes, Bioware made a mistake with that attack but at the same time you are not violating some unwritten rule that all gameplay in all classes must always be min / maxed by foregoing it.

[Sylveria_Relden]

I'll just leave this right here. https://vimeo.com/73365240

 

So long, EA - and thanks for all the fish.

[pdusen]

Actually the game is subject to a discount yet again...I don't remember correctly but this should be the 4th or 5th discount(individual/storewide combined) for this game. Now i am not aware of EA's history but this may very well be some kind of a record apart from multiplayer focused games for EA(different marketing strategy by design) given how conservative they are on discounts.The game might be a financial success, you might think that it was wildly successfull; but those discounts screams to me that it is way below EA' s expectations. And that is not a good sign...Probably the game did not take off as DAO did after its launch window similar to DA2 indicating a shorter tail saleswise.

The game is a financial success. We know this because thats what EA told its investors, and lying to them is illegal. What you imagine that discount means is irrelevant.

[DragonKingReborn]

Also, when my company gives out discounts or temporarily (or even permanently) lowers prices on certain services, it has never meant I was in trouble.  Quite the contrary.  I've done it when things are going great and was able to help out a client and build goodwill.

 

Also, it meant that the client's money was going into my pocket and not a competitors.  Customers/Clients only have X amount of discretionary funds.  I would far rather they elect to give that to me than to a competitor.  Even if the amount I get is less than what I would normally accept.

 

Discount does not necessarily equal desperation.  It can mean that.  But it certainly does not have to mean that.

[Dutchess]

Well, the discount wasn't enough for me. Asked for a refund after first playing the game. All those reviewers weren't kidding when they said the controls were *really* bad. What an unintuitive mess. I had no clue what I was doing.

 

- Having to hold down R for auto attack is pointless. My rogue tended to be hitting air. Mage was better, but still, why is that button press needed?

- Had to click and fiddle a lot before I figured out how to loot

- ****, my mage is getting attacked. Quick! Pause to adjust. *jumps*

- Gah, my mage is still being attacked. Run away! *camera spins around, character stands still*

- Cassandra! Save me! I need to click on you and just send you to attack... err...

- Okay, need to press T to get tac cam, then I can save my mages by clicking and telling her to go stand over there. Oh, wait...

- Zap, zap, zap! Wait, is it over? No enemies left? No clear indication you've exited combat mode.

- How do I close this rift? Where can I click on it? *zooms in, zooms out, tilts camera, walks character around* Oh, there.

 

I never doubted the complaints you guys had, but I figured when I got the game (and not paid full price for it) I would be able to cope with the poor controls. Guess I was wrong. I was completely sick of it after the second small fight already. Then there are the bad (facial) animations, unconvincing voice-acting from Cassandra annoying me after five minutes, the poor writing I know the game is full with... yup, gimme that refund. 

 

One more week till The Witcher 3....

[Innsmouth Dweller]

i don't really believe there is such thing as competition in gaming. unless it's MP

 

not preordering Witcher, will probably wait a few months, watch/read some reviews before playing it. open world and semi-open world are now deal breakers for me.

[Jackal19851111]

Now imagine it if you bought on release, the tac cam was very close so it was difficult to see what was even going on, no situation awareness at all, no walking so you were running around everywhere, can't even slow down - running into walls at full speed. You even had to bind keys to rotate your character in the inventory screen.

 

And... that's all that's been somewhat fixed it seems. By the time I uninstalled the game the tac cam wasn't fixed, and the walk toggle didn't work with 60 FPS (mod is still better). Still no mouse binding, no click to move/interact, and what happened to autoattack? Wasn't that meant to be in like... 2, 3 patches ago? Anyway its been half a year, and it seems progress has been reduced to zero, except for MP, where all the micro-transactions are.

[JPR1964]

Actual criticism aside, do you live in some crazy parallel universe where DA:I wasn't wildly successful?

 

Who says it's wildly successful? EA? Bioware? Some money-concerned internet reviewers? Me?

 

What mean successful? Number of sales? Number of players on consoles? PC? Does the game is completely satisfying for me?

 

I don't know for the others out there, but about the subject of game, I believe only the tastes of one person, and it's me... 

 

So even if I feel the game is quite good, it's the first DA game where I will not buy any DLC because I'm not able to play my favourite character at his best : two-weapons rogue...

 

Or I will wait for a large discount   (very LARGE...)

 

The difference between Wildly and widely... 

 

JPR out!

[Amplitudelol]

1,14 million unit sold the first week on FIVE platforms is wildly successful for a game this hyped before release? Noone doubts it was a financial success and most of the customers (console players) has nothing to do with the biggest flaw of the game. I give you that. Even if they consider the pc sales good too and even if they were, i dont think DA4 will do very well next time for PC. A lot of people bought the game who hate the control and therefore regret buying it. Youll say thats bs, its just an opinion. Look around the internet if you lack the common sense to realize how bad they f***** up while playing the game.

 

When you speak of the wild success of the game mind the PC since this is a PC comm thread. The problem is with the PC version.

[Morroian]

This is the type of argument that is often bandied about on game forums. Normally, people speculate back and forth and nothing is ever settled. In this case, though, we know what the financial results were for EA. In large part based on the success of DA:I, revenues rose to a point where the company is purchasing back stock. It was a huge success.

 

Whilst I agree the game was a financial success stating that it EAs success was based in large part on it is overstating it. They said it was a factor nothing more. Ea's sportys franchises and Battlefield sell far more than DAI. DAI would have to sell Skyrim like numbers to reach that level.

[Innsmouth Dweller]

not giving rats ass about sales. especially if i bought it, being hyped idiot and whatnot (never f..n more)

 

game has crappy ui and controlls, no tactical combat, terrible, cliched and linear story - it is basically is a grindy mmo snoozefest, you love it if you like movies, gambling or being a drone.

i can forgive a lot, bugs, hell, i can appreciate even action adveneture. but this thing... is just offensive. the more games i play, the more i see it. i don't have the courage to play BG now because i'd probably eat my shoes in disbelief.

[ApostleinTriumph]

One thing I really hate is not having enough slots for abilities. In a game you gain more than 8 skills per class, you are restricted to only 8 slots.

[Dubya75]

Well, the discount wasn't enough for me. Asked for a refund after first playing the game. All those reviewers weren't kidding when they said the controls were *really* bad. What an unintuitive mess. I had no clue what I was doing.

 

- Having to hold down R for auto attack is pointless. My rogue tended to be hitting air. Mage was better, but still, why is that button press needed?

- Had to click and fiddle a lot before I figured out how to loot

- ****, my mage is getting attacked. Quick! Pause to adjust. *jumps*

- Gah, my mage is still being attacked. Run away! *camera spins around, character stands still*

- Cassandra! Save me! I need to click on you and just send you to attack... err...

- Okay, need to press T to get tac cam, then I can save my mages by clicking and telling her to go stand over there. Oh, wait...

- Zap, zap, zap! Wait, is it over? No enemies left? No clear indication you've exited combat mode.

- How do I close this rift? Where can I click on it? *zooms in, zooms out, tilts camera, walks character around* Oh, there.

 

I never doubted the complaints you guys had, but I figured when I got the game (and not paid full price for it) I would be able to cope with the poor controls. Guess I was wrong. I was completely sick of it after the second small fight already. Then there are the bad (facial) animations, unconvincing voice-acting from Cassandra annoying me after five minutes, the poor writing I know the game is full with... yup, gimme that refund. 

 

One more week till The Witcher 3....

 

You were alpha testing a brand new IP for Bioware? Oh wait....that was their FINAL "polished" product? Oh darn!

[TobyJake]

One thing that has irked me since DAO. And right through to DAI.

Playing as a mage in Origins, Alistair would not lead. I could take over Alistair but what was the point in that!

BG2 had the little party icon where you could arrange your party. Mage at the rear, tank at the front. Logical!

Now in DAI I have to suffer the horrendous AI and non-existent tactics. Varric thinks he's a tank! LOL.

Still the game isn't mind-bendingly difficult. Should be thankful for small mercies I guess.

[pdusen]

Who says it's wildly successful? EA? Bioware? Some money-concerned internet reviewers? Me?
 
What mean successful? Number of sales? Number of players on consoles? PC? Does the game is completely satisfying for me?
 
I don't know for the others out there, but about the subject of game, I believe only the tastes of one person, and it's me... 
 
So even if I feel the game is quite good, it's the first DA game where I will not buy any DLC because I'm not able to play my favourite character at his best : two-weapons rogue...
 
Or I will wait for a large discount   (very LARGE...)
 
The difference between Wildly and widely... 
 
JPR out!

Fair enough, there's no reason for you to like it just because it has sold well.

I was just arguing directly with a poster who tried to claim the game was floundering and EA was likely to end the DA franchise, when all evidence indicates otherwise.

[Baalthazar]

Even if they consider the pc sales good too and even if they were, i dont think DA4 will do very well next time for PC. A lot of people bought the game who hate the control and therefore regret buying it. 

 

I regret buying it.  I asked for a refund, but it was too late.  (I didn't play it right away because I was finishing my 2nd playthrough of DA II, which I'm now also regretting.)

 

At this point, I have no interest in DA 4.

[Sartoz]

By that logic, TW3 must be in hot water, as it continues to offer a discount before launch....
 

 

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I believe he's talking about post launch sales. TW3 discounts apply to pre-order sales. The two are dissimilar,

 

Having said this, my impressions for discounts are as follows:

 

1.  Increase volume numbers.

Makes good marketing slogans and for your next Financial report

 

2. Competition

The Witcher 3 is coming out on May 19. Perhaps EA feels the need to meet their aggressive price(s).

 

3. Increase cash

Never underestimate a company's need for good cash flow.

 

4. Loss Leader.

Retailers use this tactic to bring customers in with the hope they will purchase other things. EA has other games to offer.

 

 Discounting is productive if it’s used under the proper circumstances.  Discounting too often, though and your discounted price will soon become your regular price and you’ll experience lower profit margins.

 

[Dubya75]

Fair enough, there's no reason for you to like it just because it has sold well.

I was just arguing directly with a poster who tried to claim the game was floundering and EA was likely to end the DA franchise, when all evidence indicates otherwise.

 

What evidence exactly are you referring to? And don't say sales figures. The success of a game does not get written in stone based on sales (with enough sales skill, anything can be sold for a profit). The real success is determined by how satisfied the customers are. How excited they are to keep playing.

And from what I've seen and experienced, DAI is already mostly forgotten.

 

Looking at the actual game content compared to previous titles (even DA2), this game is a massive failure. Perhaps it succeeds in some measure at trying to be an MMO, but even that is only partly successful.

 

As far as the PC version goes, it is an even bigger failure.

 

The future of Dragon Age is not uncertain because people may not buy the game. It is uncertain because Bioware destroyed the franchise. At best, they will make a generic MMO and make money from micro-transactions, but the days of the wonderful world of Dragon Age:Origins is over. 

[CybAnt1]

If we're honest about a few things ... well, let's be.

 

Of course the game is successful ... there are more console players than PC gamers buying it, and so in the market it was most aimed for, it's doing well. 

 

(I think that would be the case even if the PC version of it was superb; the gaming industry has mostly moved to consoles at this point.)

 

The problems with it have mostly been in the PC version, which strikes PC gamers as an afterthought. 

 

I would be interested in anything that focused specifically on PC sales ... only, and I would really be shocked if sales in the PC market weren't declining. 

 

There's no amount of spin that will hide that the PC gaming community's reactions to it have been ... well, at a minimum, "mixed". 

 

That's why this thread exists; and while I can't entirely blame Bioware for going after the most profitable market ... consoles ... I guess I would just say if they really don't want to cater to what I admit is a shrinking player base (PC players), then they should stop pretending to do so. 

 

As I've said, it's frustrating enough they dropped Mac and Linux versions, but what's more irritating is the game really doesn't have a PC version. It has a half-hearted attempt at a port to PC, which doesn't really use a PC-based (KB+M) UI or controls.

[choponet]

I'm dissapointed with inquisition but surely I'll buy DA4, the hope is the last thing you lost.