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[Drantwo]

Some people can cope.  Others cannot ...

And this is how 12 year old fangirls argue when someone insults their beloved Twilight.

[GithCheater]

Do 12 year old fangirls cast 'rainbows' ???

[Elhanan]

Your post has nothing to do with this thread. You seem to be trolling. People have expressed a clear concern that the ranged character tactics require obscene amounts of micromanagement in order to ensure that they remain ranged. As there is no more weapon set swap or conditional "If x... then y..." tactics this means it becomes the players responsibility to do so. 
This concern is viable and has nothing to do with someones ability to "cope" with a poorly implemented ranged AI. Over the last little while we've seen some very well written feedback and discussions from both "sides" of this thread. Please don't try to incite more toxicity.

Not really. By setting Behavior to Follow themselves, it seemingly allows for more defensive and autonomous choices than some other selections. And by setting Archers to have Leaping Shot more often via Preferred, the distance to target is maintained; generally the closest one unless otherwise engaged, I believe.

My Mage generally uses Cassandra, Dorian, and Solas, and the micro-mgt is needed less than my previous Dwarven Rogue, if I recall correctly. However, an exception is made for Dragons, where Fade Step is Disabled, and managed manually instead for those using it.

[TobyJake]

The vultures are feeding on a dying corpse!

You only came here after most left this topic.

Why don't you make a contribution? Or is that beyond you?

[Novos]

Your post has nothing to do with this thread. You seem to be trolling. People have expressed a clear concern that the ranged character tactics require obscene amounts of micromanagement in order to ensure that they remain ranged. As there is no more weapon set swap or conditional "If x... then y..." tactics this means it becomes the players responsibility to do so. 
This concern is viable and has nothing to do with someones ability to "cope" with a poorly implemented ranged AI. Over the last little while we've seen some very well written feedback and discussions from both "sides" of this thread. Please don't try to incite more toxicity.

Actually i tested this countless times on perfectly open grounds with no elevation and los issues.

I am playing the game with AI turned off and have set up some classic tank and spank fights on open plains with all characters on auto attack. Every single time; they ended the fights closer to the action by covering the distance about 1/3 on average...

They just can't help it. Playing with AI turned off is a clear improvement over the other option. But you still need to keep a close eye on your companions and keep them busy giving orders all the time. Otherwise; a small delay on your part and you see them running towards the center of the action.

[Innsmouth Dweller]

My copy had adequate UI and controls, Tac-Cam, great story, MMO less grind, and fewer cut-scenes than past titles. Glad I was able to re-bind Key controls and avoid this type of frustration.

not surprising, you like Skyrim

[Elhanan]

not surprising, you like Skyrim

Quite a lot actually; yet another GOTY.

[correctamundo]

not surprising, you like Skyrim

 

Well, Skyrim is a fantastic game so it is, as you say, hardly surprising.

[DragonsDream]

So Skyrim fans like Inquisition.

Dragon Age: Origin fans, eh, not so much

 

Perhaps this should have been called Skyrim: Inquisition then. The trolls here would love it and the rest of us who wanted a single player RPG would have known not to waste our money

 

Just out of curiosity, do the trolls (Elhanan, Correctamundo, GithCheater) know they are trolls? Are you guys getting off on being trolls? I can't think of any other reason for your comments. Do you guys have a purpose here - in a thread talking about PC player concerns? I'm really trying to understand the mind of a troll. Like, I just can't imagine going to say, a book forum and finding a thread about how bad Dan Brown novels are and then spending my days making posts telling people how wrong they are to dislike his books and why they are wrong and should appreciate them and not see the flaws as flaws at all. Just doesn't make sense to me.

[DragonsDream]

My copy had adequate UI and controls, Tac-Cam, ...Glad I was able to re-bind Key controls and avoid this type of frustration.

Really? where did you get a copy with standard RPG click-to-move/attack/interact, a Tac-Cam that doesn't get stuck on ceilings, an inventory screen designed for simple PC mouse clicks rather than scrolling console controllers and the ability to rebind mouse buttons. Because I'm sure the rest of us would love to play that game!

 

Oh wait - you got the same crappy controls as the rest of us but you like to think they are ok and try to convince everyone else that the flaws aren't really flaws. I'd hate to have you as my car mechanic.

[Amplitudelol]

Really? where did you get a copy with standard RPG click-to-move/attack/interact, a Tac-Cam that doesn't get stuck on ceilings, an inventory screen designed for simple PC mouse clicks rather than scrolling console controllers and the ability to rebind mouse buttons. Because I'm sure the rest of us would love to play that game!

 

Oh wait - you got the same crappy controls as the rest of us but you like to think they are ok and try to convince everyone else that the flaws aren't really flaws. I'd hate to have you as my car mechanic.

 

No, he is a cool guy. He is the ideal consumer. Guys like him keep EA alive and reason for us to be here.

[JPR1964]

I never said it was wildly successful (that was someone else), but it is not the complete failure so many in this topic insist.  If one looks at the number of 4 & 5 ratings versus 1, 2 & 3 ratings on Amazon, one can see that over half of the customer PC reviews were favorable. 

 

If one looks at only verified purchases for the PC version (excluding 81 of the 204 reviews), the average rating jumps much higher from 3.5 to 4.0.  Perhaps many of non-Amazon customers that rated the game on Amazon are haters with an agenda?

 

Aw, only the people buying a GAME have the right to evaluate it? How unkind of you... 

 

I buy a lot of games on Amazon for my nephew, sure he will not have a verified status, but does that means that his opinion has no value???

 

VERY unkind of you...

 

 

JPR out!

[Elhanan]

So Skyrim fans like Inquisition.
Dragon Age: Origin fans, eh, not so much
 
Perhaps this should have been called Skyrim: Inquisition then. The trolls here would love it and the rest of us who wanted a single player RPG would have known not to waste our money....

Funny that; still prefer DAO, and have stated this often. But detractors tend to wear blinders, and the Truth apparently plays little in their sensibilities. That said, liking DAI does not mean I do not also have concerns; simply mean that watching it being unfairly presented here happens to be one of them.

[Elhanan]

Aw, only the people buying a GAME have the right to evaluate it? How unkind of you... 
 
I buy a lot of games on Amazon for my nephew, sure he will not have a verified status, but does that means that his opinion has no value???
 
VERY unkind of you...
 

 
JPR out!

Your giftees can still post reviews, but readers also have the right to discount them along with any others when gathering info concerning an informed purchase. At metacritic, reviews may be posted by anyone with an agenda; legitimate or not, played or not, copy & pasted or not, etc. Pass on the latter; prefer elsewhere.

[DragonsDream]

No, he is a cool guy. He is the ideal consumer. Guys like him keep EA alive and reason for us to be here.

well yeah, guys like Elhanan are the type who put Transformers at the top of the box office and make Dan Brown a best selling author.

 

Now, I have seen the film Armageddon at least 6 times, if not more (and that's not counting listening through the 2 or 3 commentary tracks on the special edition DVD I own). It's an "entertaining" film. It is also objectively bad. People like Elhana don't like hearing that though because calling it objectively bad is then taken as a critique of their personal taste. "hey, I like this. how can it be bad?" This is because some people lack the ability to differentiate the two - what is good vs. what I like.

 

To people like Elhanan and Correctamundo, for whom "what I like" means the same thing as "what is good," an attack on the flaws of Inquisition is an attack on him.

[DragonsDream]

simply mean that watching it being unfairly presented here happens to be one of them.

you really have a problem with concept. I'll try to use small words for you:

You don't get to decide what is "unfair" here. If my opinion is that DA:I is a boil on a wart on the balls of a festering pile of dog feces and I explain why, YOU DO NOT GET TO DECIDE WHETHER THAT IS "FAIR" OR NOT. That's not your job. No one reading this thread gives a solid waste excretion what you think is "fair" or "unfair" about their criticism. This thread is not a debate about the merits of DA:I. No one offering "concerns" about the PC version of DA:I wants, needs or cares about what you think about their complaints. Your thoughts on the subject are 100% irrelevant. They simply do not belong here.

 

The only possible purpose they serve is to stroke your ego and make yourself feel superior. "oh look at me - I managed to enjoy DA:I and you didn't. I'm better than you because of it" You rile people up by dismissing their concerns, now claiming they are "unfair" (which in Elhana-speak means "any concern I don't agree with") and then when people respond to you in the manner you deserve, you tattle to the mods. You're like a 9 year old playground bully. You taunt, and when some one responds with a kick to the jaw, you run to the teacher crying and pointing as if you are totally innocent.

 

Is some part of this unclear to you?

[Drantwo]

So Skyrim fans like Inquisition.

Dragon Age: Origin fans, eh, not so much

 

 

 Actually I love Skyrim and Origins.  Like I've said before, my play through these two games plus the previous two TES and BG II, was my most cherished gameplay time ever in RPGs. There are many good memories and nostalgia attached to them.

 

But I dislike Inquisition. It's surely not the worst game out there. Excluding the PC controls, there are still a dozen of things I dislike about the design choices in game which include:

 

1)The transition of Dragon Age into an open world. Always wanted DA to be DA and not Skyrim. Skyrim will always trump DA in open world elements. Always wanted DA:I to be story focused with some short amount of side quests. Main story is just waaay to short.

2) The MMO styled fetch sides quests which I found boring and soul less. Addition of more depth and cinematic dialogue would have made them better for me.

3) The milking of Mages in DA:I. I felt that Mages in Origins and DA:II were more powerful and required strategy and placement. Mages in DA:I are cute. Plus, absence of Blood Magic specialization was very disappointing. Also, absence of Desire Demons.

4) The final battle felt very poor. Very Poor. I expected the agents of Inquisition and also the military to help me out against the Elder One, but didn't happen. The agents should have had more to offer and not just speeding the war table missions.

5) The RNG loot system.

6) Tac cam felt useless and also, very few tactics compared to Origins. 

7) Very few Elements in Skyhold customization.

8) Absence of Huge Cities. Really expected to see the whole of Val Royeaux, not just the market.

9)Only 8 slots.

 

So, even if by some luck, the controls improve, I highly doubt I would still enjoy DA:I when compared to Origins.  

[DisturbedJim83]

Actual criticism aside, do you live in some crazy parallel universe where DA:I wasn't wildly successful?

Like the other biodrones GithCheater and Elhanhan you fail to comprehend that sales is not indicitive of quality,who cares if it ships 50 billion copies to consoletards who wouldn't know what an RPG was if it smacked them in the face with the force of 500 Golems on Steroids.

 

As a PC RPG and as a Dragon Age game DAI is a utter disgrace even compared to DA2.

[vetlet]

not surprising, you like Skyrim

 

Hey! Liking Skyrim has nothing to do with this! I like Skyrim (even more modded to hell and back), and am happy to put in many more hours into it.

 

However, I have given up on DA:I for now.

[Elhanan]

Like the other biodrones GithCheater and Elhanhan you fail to comprehend that sales is not indicitive of quality,who cares if it ships 50 billion copies to consoletards who wouldn't know what an RPG was if it smacked them in the face with the force of 500 Golems on Steroids.
 
As a PC RPG and as a Dragon Age game DAI is a utter disgrace even compared to DA2.

And yet, sales is a fair indicator of success. And I play on the PC; hence my posting in this thread. Perhaps those more concerned over platforms, Skyrim and other games, etc are too distracted by bias to see that....

Also, I choose to use the Ignore function; recommended.

[Elhanan]

well yeah, guys like Elhanan are the type who put Transformers at the top of the box office and make Dan Brown a best selling author.
 
Now, I have seen the film Armageddon at least 6 times, if not more (and that's not counting listening through the 2 or 3 commentary tracks on the special edition DVD I own). It's an "entertaining" film. It is also objectively bad. People like Elhana don't like hearing that though because calling it objectively bad is then taken as a critique of their personal taste. "hey, I like this. how can it be bad?" This is because some people lack the ability to differentiate the two - what is good vs. what I like.
 
To people like Elhanan and Correctamundo, for whom "what I like" means the same thing as "what is good," an attack on the flaws of Inquisition is an attack on him.

Saw the first Transformer film and liked it well enough, but skipped the sequels; also watched Armageddon once, but preferred Deep Impact. And have never seen anything by this favored author mentioned, nor any current pop writer (ie; no GoT for me).

Again, assumption blinds the dissenters....

[Innsmouth Dweller]

Hey! Liking Skyrim has nothing to do with this! I like Skyrim (even more modded to hell and back), and am happy to put in many more hours into it.

 

However, I have given up on DA:I for now.

didn't Skyrim have slider menu and minimalistic look? wasn't Skyrim action RPG with absolutely no tac-cam (so basically any implementation of it is an improvement)? didn't Skyrim have epic story with protag fighting ancient evil enslaved for centuries (bonus political background)? didn't Skyrim have random bandit camps, multitude of creatures to drain souls and have top tier enchants? i think radiant (cough... fetch... cough) quest system is one of its most praised features.

wasn't DAI suppose to be more "Skyrim-like" because the open-world and freedom of exploration, according to devs?

 

never imagined people would read that specific coment as an insult...

neat! it must work on Bloodborne and Dark Souls fans as well 

[Sartoz]

Your rhetoric does you no credit.

 

Even if I had all of the sordid details that you claim we need to know to judge the success of the game (apparently a blanket statement of its success isn't enough), I'm sure you'd still find some way to interpret it negatively, so continuing this conversation is an exercise in futility.

 

I'm backing away from this thread, slowly, again. Have fun in your echo chamber.

 

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Well, that was short.

 

Blanket statements like "the game is a success" is a dish  best served with supporting facts, when challenged.  Should you be fortunate to have the opportunity to rise "in the corporate ladder", always be prepared at meetings.  You will earn your co-workers respect.

[vetlet]

didn't Skyrim have slider menu and minimalistic look? wasn't Skyrim action RPG with absolutely no tac-cam (so basically any implementation of it is an improvement)? didn't Skyrim have epic story with protag fighting ancient evil enslaved for centuries (bonus political background)? didn't Skyrim have random bandit camps, multitude of creatures to drain souls and have top tier enchants? i think radiant (cough... fetch... cough) quest system is one of its most praised features.

wasn't DAI suppose to be more "Skyrim-like" because the open-world and freedom of exploration, according to devs?

 

never imagined people would read that specific coment as an insult...

neat! it must work on Bloodborne and Dark Souls fans as well 

<--- my dignified response.
 I reserve the right be insulted. Or something.

 

Besides Skyrim >>>>> DA:I

Origins >>> Skyrim especially for storytelling, and choices that matter.

[Dubya75]

Ubisoft reported that their next Assassins Creed game "Syndicate" will have no MP element whatsoever. They made the decision to remove MP from the game in order to give people the best possible quality game without having to compromise in order to tick the MP box.

A very wise decision indeed! Which also points to the evidence that adding MP to traditionally SP games, really hurts the quality of the overall game experience.

 

Why do I mention this in a DAI thread? Because that is EXACTLY the compromise Bioware made, resulting in what is probably their worst title ever.