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[CybAnt1]

You know, I had my misgivings about DA2, I'll admit it, but I replayed it... because a) the controls for the game were mostly the same as the first one and b.) I would say they DID improve one thing: the AI/tactics for NPCs. (In DA:O, it really required a mod to get the AI to that level.) Now, I had my misgivings about the combat, which I think deteriorated from the first game and became too action-RPGish, but at least the control scheme was more or less the same. 

 

But DA:I is WORSE than both its predecessors in this respect. Even compared to DA2 (let alone DAO), AI is *worse*, control/UI is *worse*, customizability of companions is *worse*. Now look, I thought it was crazy, but I notice "I'm not the only one"; I kept trying to play it, and it kept feeling like "the controls were fighting against me" rather than "working with me" ... this is why I probably won't finish it, let alone ever replay it. 

 

Yeah, it definitely seems like this hasn't been addressed in patches 1-7, and may never be in a future patch, and now we're told they'll get to it in DA4 (if there is one) .... but color me skeptical. 

[Sartoz]

Still haven't seen anybody make the point I've asked numerous times: prove that the control/UI for DA:I is better on PC than previous titles in the Dragon Age series, not better than ME, better than Skyrim, better than Super Mario brothers.

 

You can't do it. Ergo, as people have noted above, we are paying more for less. I can cope with it, I just don't have to like it. 

 

Is it really too much to ask for games in a series to ... oh, I don't know ... improve? Instead of getting worse? 

 

There are all these workarounds being offered. Sure, you can COPE, but we're being asked to cope with something that is WORSE than previous titles in the series.

 

No amount of SPIN can eliminate that.

 

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The controls aren't better. Bio attempted to copy the controller functions onto a keyboard layout resulting in awkward PC controls... forcing the player to perform unnatural and counter-intuitive use of the keyboard in order to imitate the use of console controller buttons.  A quick console controller to PC keyboard port which is adequate to play the game... but just.  The original default keyboard controls layout was not playable for me...

 

What I find interesting is that EA's goals to make their games have a "broader appeal to the casual" gamer, seems to be only for the console and mobile markets. Certainly, these PC controls and UI are not appealing to the PC gamers.... though, some take adequate controls as "good enough".

 

EDITED to correct spelling error.

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[Elhanan]

The pacing of combat in DAI is the best thus far, IMO. Not as sluggish as the default 2H from DAO, and not as fast and as weightless as DA2. While I prefer fewer restrictions on items/ classes/ etc, I enjoy the overall combat speed in the latest setting.

As for controls, DAI plays much like I used in SWTOR, and seems that I pause as often as I did for DA2. But I also use Tac-Cam quite a bit now, which is helpful.

[DaemionMoadrin]

As for controls, DAI plays much like I used in SWTOR, and seems that I pause as often as I did for DA2. But I also use Tac-Cam quite a bit now, which is helpful.

 

How often have you said that in this thread alone? A dozen times? How often in the rest of the DA:I forums? A hundred times?

 

Why are you repeating yourself so often?

[Amplitudelol]

How often have you said that in this thread alone? A dozen times? How often in the rest of the DA:I forums? A hundred times?

 

Why are you repeating yourself so often?

 

Because people still did not learn that Inquisitions's pc control was just fine and no changes needed at all. The key is to cope and get used to. At least Elhanan is not alone on his quest, knight githcheater helps him out occasionally. They are alone in this thread doing the impossible yet honorable quest of persuading the toxic troll pc community of the one and only truth: you all suck the controls are cool.

[GithCheater]

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 Certainly, these PC controls and UI are not appealing to the PC gamers.... though, some take adequate controls as "good enough".

 

Thank you for speaking for all PC gamers.

 

This thread is not representative of a typical PC gamer.  The average PC gamer likely regards the controls as "good enough".

[Elhanan]

How often have you said that in this thread alone? A dozen times? How often in the rest of the DA:I forums? A hundred times?
 
Why are you repeating yourself so often?

Guess some folks do not read it; keep asking for a return to the previous method which apparently ain't going to occur. Plus, it seemed that others here were keeping a count for me; all my fans and such....

[DragonsDream]

Deceptive posts (eg; no Dialogue variations for race), non-constructive crit (eg; impossible to play with current controls), non-constructive opinions (eg; game is abysmal) , etc. If I am able to indicate that the examples have another POV, then I try to indicate it.

please explain to me to whom exactly are you indicating this to?

 

This thread is basically Bioware asking "Tell us what you think is wrong with the PC version of DA:I" When people then do that, why do you feel the need to contridict them?

 

When someone asks "what is wrong with X?" and people reply "X sucks because of 1, 2 and 3" no one, including the person asking, needs you to come in and say "1 2 and 3 aren't problems at all (because they aren't problems for me)"

 

No one was asking you for your opinion on other people's opinions. It's not needed or wanted and it serves no purpose. It's nothing but rude and arrogant (and from someone who claims to be "Christian"). So tell me, who are you talking to here?

[Morroian]

Guess some folks do not read it; 

 

 

Well you do not seem to read those who disagree with you on this point, you appear to regard yourself as a totally objective arbiter and dismiss those who disagree with you as wrong because your truth is supposedly the objective truth. You do not simply present an alternate view as you claim above, you actively seek to discredit those with different views..

[DragonsDream]

Guess some folks do not read it; keep asking for a return to the previous method which apparently ain't going to occur. Plus, it seemed that others here were keeping a count for me; all my fans and such....

so what if the controls are similar to some other game. Is that game Dragon Age? no? So it has no relevance here. I haven't even played SW:KOTOR so the controls for that game mean nothing to me. So why do you keep bringing them up as if it had any meaning what so ever? Your point doesn't apply to me, thus your point is null and void. This is Truth.

[Amplitudelol]

so what if the controls are similar to some other game. Is that game Dragon Age? no? So it has no relevance here. I haven't even played SW:KOTOR so the controls for that game mean nothing to me. So why do you keep bringing them up as if it had any meaning what so ever? Your point doesn't apply to me, thus your point is null and void. This is Truth.

 

He is proving half of the point regarding controls without realizing it. Dragon Age PC control is a controller/mmorpg hybrid. Well he does not get the controller part of it. I dont think he ever will.

[Morroian]

Ubisoft reported that their next Assassins Creed game "Syndicate" will have no MP element whatsoever. They made the decision to remove MP from the game in order to give people the best possible quality game without having to compromise in order to tick the MP box.

A very wise decision indeed! Which also points to the evidence that adding MP to traditionally SP games, really hurts the quality of the overall game experience.

 

Ubisoft with more credibility than Bioware whodathunkit. 

[Elhanan]

Ubisoft with more credibility than Bioware whodathunkit.

Never played any game from Ubisoft, but have read of the Great DRM scandal of ages past; only now admitting their error in penalizing Players. Yeah; prefer Bioware and EA to that, though I hope that the GOG Galaxy model starts something fresh.

[Upinurmomshole]

Never played any game from Ubisoft, but have read of the Great DRM scandal of ages past; only now admitting their error in penalizing Players. Yeah; prefer Bioware and EA to that, though I hope that the GOG Galaxy model starts something fresh.

it wont, GOG Galaxy is gonna bomb. once again Elhanan

[Sartoz]

Thank you for speaking for all PC gamers.

 

This thread is not representative a typical PC gamer.  The average PC gamer likely regards the controls as "good enough".

 

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And there lies Bio stance regarding PC gameplay.

 

For $79, you get a "good enough" for me game. Thank you for clearing that up.

[Sartoz]

Never played any game from Ubisoft, but have read of the Great DRM scandal of ages past; only now admitting their error in penalizing Players. Yeah; prefer Bioware and EA to that, though I hope that the GOG Galaxy model starts something fresh.

 

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LOL!

 

Mass Effect 1 SECUROM DRM was pulled in 2008 for the PC version due to complaints. Imagine, that. And,  EA only allowed you to install it ME1 three times...

 

Or were you too young to remember that?

[Elhanan]

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LOL!
 
Mass Effect 1 SECUROM DRM was pulled in 2008 for the PC version due to complaints. Imagine, that. And,  EA only allowed you to install it ME1 three times...
 
Or were you too young to remember that?

My copy of ME1 was not played until after 2011, so no DRM matters of which I was aware. But entire vids are available warning of Ubisoft, as well as a public apology fairly recently about the treatment of customers.

[They call me a SpaceCowboy]

SkyUI is a great mod, but one that was not needed; have 700+ hrs on PC Vanilla Skyrim as evidence of that notion with only a single mod garnered along the way (ie; No More Blocky Faces). It was not until Gopher started to influence me to give modding a more influential approach to the game that had me add 70+ mods to my lists. Now I have 2800+ hrs of Skyrim experience, and am still posting on the Skyrim thread here on BSN.

DAI controls are adequate; have no issues with the UI, Crafting, and while I prefer Point & Click, the current KB&M controls are still easier for me to manage than the ME series, SWTOR as I played it, and of course; Skyrim.

And as one that has disabilities including partial neuropathy, easier to control is a good thing.

 

You seem to have this odd notion that if you have no problem with something, noone else should either. The world doesn't work that way. Different opinions and preferences, and all that.

 

Just out of curiosity, what problems do you have with the Mass Effect? It has mouse look at point and click, for the most part.

 

I thought you felt the SWTOR controls were very similar to DAI. What problems do you have with them? I brought this up before and don't remember getting a response. While SWTOR controls are similar in that you use WASD and click to attack, it was a much smoother experience for me. You attack the correct target, don't pull any other non hostile mobs in by accident, auto target focuses on the next nearest mob in the group you are attacking. The follower AI appears to do its job for the most part without charging the giant death robot when it's supposed to be at range. Oh and you get dozens of abilities and dozens of hotbars to store them.

 

I'm not going to bother asking about Skyrim controls. It's a completely different system, and clunky in its own special way.

 

Also, it's worth noting, none of the games you list are party based RPGs.. Any followers you get are purely AI controlled, for the most part. You don't need to tell the AI character to 'follow itself' or some other non-intuitive tactics command to get it to follow what should be standard behaviour for its class. That appears to be what Bioware was going for with "action mode", but appears to have failed spectacularly on that front.

 

 

EDIT: Oh and by the way, that DAGARS Diamond award you are so proud of Bioware for winning? I looked it up. It was awarded based on the controller controls, not PC.

[Elhanan]

You seem to have this odd notion that if you have no problem with something, noone else should either. The world doesn't work that way. Different opinions and preferences, and all that.
 
Just out of curiosity, what problems do you have with the Mass Effect? It has mouse look at point and click, for the most part.
 
I thought you felt the SWTOR controls were very similar to DAI. What problems do you have with them? I brought this up before and don't remember getting a response. While SWTOR controls are similar in that you use WASD and click to attack, it was a much smoother experience for me. You attack the correct target, don't pull any other non hostile mobs in by accident, auto target focuses on the next nearest mob in the group you are attacking. The follower AI appears to do its job for the most part without charging the giant death robot when it's supposed to be at range. Oh and you get dozens of abilities and dozens of hotbars to store them.
 
I'm not going to bother asking about Skyrim controls. It's a completely different system, and clunky in its own special way.
 
Also, it's worth noting, none of the games you list are party based RPGs.. Any followers you get are purely AI controlled, for the most part. You don't need to tell the AI character to 'follow itself' or some other non-intuitive tactics command to get it to follow what should be standard behaviour for its class. That appears to be what Bioware was going for with "action mode", but appears to have failed spectacularly on that front.
 
 
EDIT: Oh and by the way, that DAGARS Diamond award you are so proud of Bioware for winning? I looked it up. It was awarded based on the controller controls, not PC.

Never said that some do not have legitimate grievances, but I do question those that seem to be unable to plat the game at all, esp as I am able to do so; disability and all.

ME series: WASD. Skyrim: WASD. SWTOR: WASD and depressed Mouse button like DAI, but lacks Pause and Tac-Cam. And DAI also has a Next Target system (use Cap Locks now; formerly Tab as in ME series). ME series has a party of three, and solo SWTOR allows for one Companion with some unique exceptions. Skyrim I prefer to solo unless the Quests force a choice like Serana.

As for specific problems, it generally has to do with my restricted ability to move in the open, so in ME, I choose to remain in cover, and rarely move out of it. SWTOR; skip melee choices for long term play, and had a Gunner, Bounty Hunter 'Gunner', and an Inquisitor. These were able to largely remain in position, with moist focus on playing 'GUI Simon' to win. Larger number of choices aside, it lost my focus on the game, and became about pressing Keys and getting the interrupts on time.

And if one believes that by setting Follow themselves is non-intuitive, then the previous If-Then Tactical charts may have been a burden to gain a proper order.

And while the DAGAR Award did use a controller in the detailed description, all platforms were listed on the award including the PC.

Note: Hope that TW3 does not displease the crowd here in the same way; only controller footage has been seen thus far, though Gopher has mentioned that it did seem fine when tested privately. Still, the KB&M controls are seemingly unknown, I believe.

[Sartoz]

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Decided to check out something in the BE. So, I fired up Origins and the client informed me that the game cannot be played unless I upgraded  it.  Fine, I let it do its thing ( my game was at level 5 patch).  The download took less than 20 seconds but the actual install took 11 minutes and change.

 

No reported problems during the install but a look at the install log shows "Installing Firewall exception.." .  Now, why does EA feel the need to bypass my Firewall without telling me?  Anyway, to continue.... Attempting to load the game and I get the famous "... can't connect to the EA servers....".  Aa..ha! My Windows Firewall Control application is on the ball (called WFC).  Any program attempting to sneak in a firewall exception command .. the entry gest deleted because it failed to go through WFC. So, I authorize Inquisition.exe to access the net.

 

Fired up Origins again but this time I get the message "..we're unable to connect to EA servers to activate dragon age inquisition.".  Seems like the patch inactivates your valid activated game. This time I logged in to the EA servers via Origins, got my activation screen and BINGO...game activated once more. A bit of researcgh and got these entries from all over the world as of May 10, 2015:

 

 http://answers.ea.co.../4533316/page/6

 

Honestly, I wish Elhanan and Co. would reply to these fellows with a statement like "... the game works as designed...". Some of them are quite angry and Elhanan should come to their rescue.

 

BTW, I can't find a downloadable DLC for BE and I'm now going  on the assumption that the UPGRADE included the BE expansion (current version is 1.0.0.8). However, I need to know the name of the War Table mission that activates BE.

 

Oh, I travelled from the Desert to Skyhold and went directly to the War Table and found Varric and Hawke outside the closed doors talking to each other. I stopped two feet away from them but they ignored me.. they were talking about me (the quizzie), Kirkwall, Bertrand......  

 

I'm going back to play Path of Exile for now....

[Elhanan]

Not a Techie, so I could not be of much aid. However the Black Emporium works fine for me as is. As for the conversation outside the War Table, like with Josephine and some others, sometimes it may be best to listen rather than try and speak. But thanks for the heartfelt consideration for my abilities....

[Sartoz]

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Have you guys noticed that you can preorder TW3 via Origins client?  Now, that stunned me.

[Sartoz]

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Well, patch seven gave me my first CTD.. a MantleX error, after I chose a War Table mission.

 

 

[DragonsDream]

My copy of ME1 was not played until after 2011, so no DRM matters of which I was aware. But entire vids are available warning of Ubisoft, as well as a public apology fairly recently about the treatment of customers.

Typical Elhanan arrogance. It wasn't a problem for him, thus it wasn't a real problem.

[Elhanan]

Typical Elhanan arrogance. It wasn't a problem for him, thus it wasn't a real problem.

But we'll always have Paris....

PC concerns - It ain't me; really. However, more Quickslots would be nice before movin' on.....