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I have just gone through the patch notes, 2-7

Can anyone tell me what they have actually changed?

Walk toggle, chest in Skyhold, removed exploits. Doesn't appear to be much else.

A few misplaced items like mosaics.

A new DLC and 1/2 Black Emporium.

One hand clap!

Not one thing that has been repeatedly mentioned since 18 Nov 2014.

Modders have supplied hair! Bioware couldn't even manage that.

It is not Frostbyte, it's arrogance and bloody mindedness.

It  isn't even jumping, though that gets trotted out as the reason.

It is not the engine, it is the developers and the so called Lead Designer.


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#18677
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Witcher 3 $76.49 thru Gog.com. Sounds like a bargain. :P Better than Inquisition by a long way.

I won't pre-order tho. Been burnt before.

This topic will be deserted next week, what will Elhanan do then? Bleat in the wilderness I guess.

DAI will never be repaired to a PC game. I have a lot more faith in CDProjekt Red.


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You know, I had my misgivings about DA2, I'll admit it, but I replayed it... because a) the controls for the game were mostly the same as the first one and b.) I would say they DID improve one thing: the AI/tactics for NPCs. (In DA:O, it really required a mod to get the AI to that level.) Now, I had my misgivings about the combat, which I think deteriorated from the first game and became too action-RPGish, but at least the control scheme was more or less the same. 

 

But DA:I is WORSE than both its predecessors in this respect. Even compared to DA2 (let alone DAO), AI is *worse*, control/UI is *worse*, customizability of companions is *worse*. Now look, I thought it was crazy, but I notice "I'm not the only one"; I kept trying to play it, and it kept feeling like "the controls were fighting against me" rather than "working with me" ... this is why I probably won't finish it, let alone ever replay it. 

 

Yeah, it definitely seems like this hasn't been addressed in patches 1-7, and may never be in a future patch, and now we're told they'll get to it in DA4 (if there is one) .... but color me skeptical. 

 

 

HAHAHA, what? They'll get to it in DA4? Now that's funny. Nah, I don't think I will stick around for that disaster to hit! My goodwill towards Bioware is spent.

 

Bioware management seem to have no concept of what it means to "build" a game series. Instead, they interpret it as "re-invention" or "experimentation". This is why the franchise is struggling so much.

 

Let's milk it for what it's worth: Take CD Projekt RED, for example: They started out with The Witcher, then BUILT on the strengths of that game and made some huge improvements in The Witcher 2. Instead of thinking, "oh let's use a different engine and re-think everything about the previous games", they BUILT upon the strengths of what already worked. And the result of that focus is a game that is clearly going to re-define and set new standards for the entire RPG genre. And all the way through, the series retains a very distinct identity. Bethesda followed the same philosophy with the elder Scrolls series. Success!

 

Mark my words, if DA4 ever happens, it will be even worse than DAI. It will most definitely NOT be an RPG. Because there simply is no vision. Where CD Projekt RED does it for the love of it, Bioware only does it for the money. Every single design choice they have made with DAI screams superficial appeal to sell an otherwise very shallow product.

 

Longevity of the series utterly destroyed.


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HAHAHA, what? They'll get to it in DA4? Now that's funny. Nah, I don't think I will stick around for that disaster to hit! My goodwill towards Bioware is spent.
 
Bioware management seem to have no concept of what it means to "build" a game series. Instead, they interpret it as "re-invention" or "experimentation". This is why the franchise is struggling so much.
 
Let's milk it for what it's worth: Take CD Projekt RED, for example: They started out with The Witcher, then BUILT on the strengths of that game and made some huge improvements in The Witcher 2. Instead of thinking, "oh let's use a different engine and re-think everything about the previous games", they BUILT upon the strengths of the previous 2 games. And the result of that focus is a game that is clearly going to re-define and set new standards for the entire RPG genre. And all the way through, the series retains a very distinct identity. Success!

Mark my words, if DA4 ever happens, it will be even worse than DAI. It will most definitely NOT be an RPG. Because there simply is no vision. Where CD Projekt RED does it for the love of it, Bioware only does it for the money. Every single design choice they have made with DAI screams superficial appeal to sell an otherwise very shallow product.
 
Longevity of the series utterly destroyed.


Dubya75 - I find it interesting that CD Prokejt's marketing is directly answering my complaints about DAI. Roleplaying through dialog choices, dialog choices that are actually different and have impact on story, combat animation is more realistic, switching weapons - crossbow and swords. Combat on mount at times. NPC's are alive and animated.....

Obviously though they didn't have to convince me. I mean it is Geralt. ;)
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HAHAHA, what? They'll get to it in DA4? Now that's funny. Nah, I don't think I will stick around for that disaster to hit! My goodwill towards Bioware is spent.

 

Bioware management seem to have no concept of what it means to "build" a game series. Instead, they interpret it as "re-invention" or "experimentation". This is why the franchise is struggling so much.

 

Let's milk it for what it's worth: Take CD Projekt RED, for example: They started out with The Witcher, then BUILT on the strengths of that game and made some huge improvements in The Witcher 2. Instead of thinking, "oh let's use a different engine and re-think everything about the previous games", they BUILT upon the strengths of the previous 2 games. And the result of that focus is a game that is clearly going to re-define and set new standards for the entire RPG genre. And all the way through, the series retains a very distinct identity. Success!

 

Mark my words, if DA4 ever happens, it will be even worse than DAI. It will most definitely NOT be an RPG. Because there simply is no vision. Where CD Projekt RED does it for the love of it, Bioware only does it for the money. Every single design choice they have made with DAI screams superficial appeal to sell an otherwise very shallow product.

 

Longevity of the series utterly destroyed.

 

I dont think they rethought anything about the series or changed anything based on their developing experience or for artistic purpose or whatever. They just probably got the command from EA to make the most selling console game they can. And they did. And it was a wild success, their best launch evah. They even managed to sell a lot for PC gamers without taking effort to make it right. Marketing rules, man, marketing rules. I hope DA franchise dies on PC, this is disgracing what Dan Tudge envisioned for the series.


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#18681
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So Skyrim fans like Inquisition.
Dragon Age: Origin fans, eh, not so much
 
Perhaps this should have been called Skyrim: Inquisition then.

LOl- I thought the same & back in Nov/Dec posted Skyrim:Thedas Version. They seemed to want to go full Skyrim mode but for some reason pulled away. It might have been a very good game if they had. well,that and modding.

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So I replayed a little of Awakening the other day, and noticed how if you are fighting inside Amaranthine, the guards get out of their posts and help you out in the fight.

how come this game of 2010 is so far superior in these simple things (big ones too) than 2014th DAI? You expect with current gen for the universe of the game to be even more alive, yet, enemies follow you INSIDE your camp with Inquisition people there and no one does anything!

 

What a disgrace.


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Witcher 3 $76.49 thru Gog.com. Sounds like a bargain. :P Better than Inquisition by a long way.

I won't pre-order tho. Been burnt before.

This topic will be deserted next week, what will Elhanan do then? Bleat in the wilderness I guess.

DAI will never be repaired to a PC game. I have a lot more faith in CDProjekt Red.

 

You should buy it from G2A. I preordered the enhanced edition (I know I'm a complete sucker but I love CDPR and am happy support them) for £35. Not sure what that is in dollars and I'm too lazy to Google it but the usual price for the normal game is £50 and the usual price of the enhanced edition is £65 so I think I got an okay deal.

 

I finished replaying the previous games yesterday and I'm glad I did. I am as excited as ever to get back into the world of The Witcher.



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About my CDT with patch 7.

 

I believe the culprit is my selection of the Benchmark in the Extras menu. The Benchmark completed OK and I then selected Continue, followed by a War Table mission selection, when the game CDT'ed.

 

Starting the game and selecting Continue is smooth sailing.



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So I replayed a little of Awakening the other day, and noticed how if you are fighting inside Amaranthine, the guards get out of their posts and help you out in the fight.

how come this game of 2010 is so far superior in these simple things (big ones too) than 2014th DAI? You expect with current gen for the universe of the game to be even more alive, yet, enemies follow you INSIDE your camp with Inquisition people there and no one does anything!

 

What a disgrace.

 

Awakening was the last time Laidlaw wasn't in control.


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#18686
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I have more FPS on high settings using DX11 than on low settings using Mantle lol.

R7 250 | 15.4



#18687
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I have more FPS on high settings using DX11 than on low settings using Mantle lol.

R7 250 | 15.4

 

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I was about to change my graphic options to test that.

 

Thanks for the info.

 

Edit:

 My AMD graphics card is the oldest and weakest that only supports Mantle 1.0.  My tests showed an a 4 FPS improvement with mantle with certain seetings.


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You should buy it from G2A. I preordered the enhanced edition (I know I'm a complete sucker but I love CDPR and am happy support them) for £35. Not sure what that is in dollars and I'm too lazy to Google it but the usual price for the normal game is £50 and the usual price of the enhanced edition is £65 so I think I got an okay deal.

 

I finished replaying the previous games yesterday and I'm glad I did. I am as excited as ever to get back into the world of The Witcher.

 

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Just preordered W3 with the discount coupon..... Almost half the retail price....

 

Thanks


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As for controls, DAI plays much like I used in SWTOR, and seems that I pause as often as I did for DA2. But I also use Tac-Cam quite a bit now, which is helpful.

 

I disagree. Tor was smooth, the controls, camera, companion ai was mostly solid and added on (should have been there from the start) many optional hotbars for abilities/items. Did you play a free version or something? I was always a subscriber.

 

I also don't see what Tor has to do with DAI?

 

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Fired up Origins again but this time I get the message "..we're unable to connect to EA servers to activate dragon age inquisition.".  Seems like the patch inactivates your valid activated game. This time I logged in to the EA servers via Origins, got my activation screen and BINGO...game activated once more. A bit of researcgh and got these entries from all over the world as of May 10, 2015:

I didn't patch. I just got a new vid card and had to validate again. I thought oh great is this another three strikes your out like ME1. ugh



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Just preordered W3 with the discount coupon..... Almost half the retail price....

 

Thanks

 

I bought Inquisition from there for less than £20. I would be a lot more unhappy about the state of the PC port had I payed full price such as many of those posting on here.



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I disagree. Tor was smooth, the controls, camera, companion ai was mostly solid and added on (should have been there from the start) many optional hotbars for abilities/items. Did you play a free version or something? I was always a subscriber.
 
I also don't see what Tor has to do with DAI?
 
I didn't patch. I just got a new vid card and had to validate again. I thought oh great is this another three strikes your out like ME1. ugh


Launch subscriber, and a participant in some Betas. The controls were fine enough for my basic style, but was not able to move about very well at all during battle. Still, this was as close to the controls in DAI, plus the Pause and Tac-Cam features I use so frequently.

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You guys still didnt buy controller to enjoy this hacknslash not-RPG wholly as intended?.... Or still didnt you lower your standards to enjoy a single player mmorpg and buy its DLC to extend the grindfest?

 

Good, dont waste your money, Witcher is out next week!


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You guys still didnt buy controller to enjoy this hacknslash not-RPG wholly as intended?.... Or still didnt you lower your standards to enjoy a single player mmorpg and buy its DLC to extend the grindfest?

 

Good, dont waste your money, Witcher is out next week!

 

No controller for me sorry. No DLC for me until at least some issues are fixed.

 

I also think people are getting hopes up too high for W3. People might need a controller for that too. Those of you who do buy it I'd be interested in hearing opinions of it in OT of course.



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Launch subscriber, and a participant in some Betas. The controls were fine enough for my basic style, but was not able to move about very well at all during battle. Still, this was as close to the controls in DAI, plus the Pause and Tac-Cam features I use so frequently.

 

another useless post by Elhanan that doesn't have anything to do with anything. at this point you just like to see yourself type dont you?

 

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Good to know :) Thanks



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I finally managed to play through DAI!  A real learning experience, to be sure.  In 20 plus years of gaming on a PC, this was by far the hardest game to learn HOW to play.  I took the time to read ALL the posts in this particular forum, and learned, and used a lot from your concerns and suggestions.  Of course, each system is different so I had to tweek settings, and re-tweek settings, and cuss about things not working, but FINALLY I got into the rhythm of what I had to do to play it.   I will play again as a new character, because I think the game has real possibilities for entertainment.

 

BUT,  Tactical Camera (when I can get it to work) is just plain awkward -  much prefer the click to attack a certain enemy instead of slashing at air.  It is awkward having to use the mouse and "W" to move around and makes my hand hurt after a while.  I really miss the TACTICS and ability bars that were so helpful in utilizing my NPC in DAO!  The characters don't seem to have as much personality as in DAO or DA2, or at least they don't seem to talk much to me or each other -- I miss that, I felt like I was building a team in both of them; not so much in DAI. 

 

Thanks Elhanan for the suggestion about letting the mages and archers follow themselves to keep them at range instead of thinking they are melee fighters.  Sheesh, didn't Bioware have anyone in the design section who used a PC for gaming?

 

Parts of the game are really, really great -- I liked the Hissing Waste, and the side quests there made more sense than they did in some of the other areas.  Visually, the game is simply stunning -- particularly the Emerald Graves and Arbor Wilds.  But I won't pre-order the next installation and pay full price until I've read the forum comments, I like being challenged by the game, not fighting the interface!

 

Thanks, guys!


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And while the DAGAR Award did use a controller in the detailed description, all platforms were listed on the award including the PC.
 

 

This explains that award then, they didn't use M&KB and its therefore irrelevant to the discussion about controls which are centered around the inadequacy of M&KB. Its been noted before that the control on PC is smoother with a controller rather than a M&KB.


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This explains that award then, they didn't use M&KB and its therefore irrelevant to the discussion about controls which are centered around the inadequacy of M&KB. Its been noted before that the control on PC is smoother with a controller rather than a M&KB.


It has also been noted by some that the KB&M is preferred. No consensus on such opinions.

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Never said that some do not have legitimate grievances, but I do question those that seem to be unable to plat the game at all, esp as I am able to do so; disability and all.

ME series: WASD. Skyrim: WASD. SWTOR: WASD and depressed Mouse button like DAI, but lacks Pause and Tac-Cam. And DAI also has a Next Target system (use Cap Locks now; formerly Tab as in ME series). ME series has a party of three, and solo SWTOR allows for one Companion with some unique exceptions. Skyrim I prefer to solo unless the Quests force a choice like Serana.

As for specific problems, it generally has to do with my restricted ability to move in the open, so in ME, I choose to remain in cover, and rarely move out of it. SWTOR; skip melee choices for long term play, and had a Gunner, Bounty Hunter 'Gunner', and an Inquisitor. These were able to largely remain in position, with moist focus on playing 'GUI Simon' to win. Larger number of choices aside, it lost my focus on the game, and became about pressing Keys and getting the interrupts on time.

And if one believes that by setting Follow themselves is non-intuitive, then the previous If-Then Tactical charts may have been a burden to gain a proper order.

And while the DAGAR Award did use a controller in the detailed description, all platforms were listed on the award including the PC.

Note: Hope that TW3 does not displease the crowd here in the same way; only controller footage has been seen thus far, though Gopher has mentioned that it did seem fine when tested privately. Still, the KB&M controls are seemingly unknown, I believe.

 

The melee in SWTOR is fine. I just remapped some keys and avoided the frustration those like you experienced. :P

 

Joking aside, all the games mentioned actually play very different from DAI. While all have companions, none are directly controlled by the player, as are DAI's followers. As I mentioned, since they are purely AI controlled, the AI is far more developed in those games.

 

Tell me, what is more intuitive: Set Leliana to 'ranged mode', to have her stay back from melee and use her bow, or switch her to melee and have her swap weapon sets (remember those?) and close in, OR set Varic to 'follow himself' and hope following himself means staying out of harms way like an archer should?

 

It's clear to me what is more intuitive.

 

I'll confess something for you, Elhanan. I played DAO, DA2 and DAI on easy, well, normal for DAI, and ignored any tactics settings. The only thing I did in DAO was the above to switch Leliana to the preset ranged behaviour so she would stay an archer. This isn't possible to do in DAI for Varric or Sera. The point is, that's all I had to do in DAO to get Leliana to behave the way I wanted. The ranged behaviour was built into the one selection, just as melee, defence, or aggressive behaviours had their presets. Other actions, like casting bow related abilities rather than closing to use dirty kick, were built into the behaviour selection.

 

Can DAI say the same? Does anything in the selection to 'follow yourself' enforce the use of ranged abilities? Does it force the character to stay at range? What if Cass is set to follow herself? Will she pick up a bow? Please. you know the answer to this as well as I do.

 

You know, that gives me a great idea. I'm going to replay DAO, and make Alistair an archer and Leliana a Sword&shield rogue, because, you know, you can do that in DAO.

 

I have no interest in TW3, though not for the same reasons as you, I think. I may pick it up on sale some time in the future.


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It has also been noted by some that the KB&M is preferred. No consensus on such opinions.

 

I certainly 'prefer' to use a M&KB, but that isn't because the M&KB are better than controller, its because I have no choice


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