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[Elhanan]

I certainly 'prefer' to use a M&KB, but that isn't because the M&KB are better than controller, its because I have no choice

Neither do I, but have 600+ hrs of gameplay to indicate that it is viable.

[They call me a SpaceCowboy]

Neither do I, but have 600+ hrs of gameplay to indicate that it is viable.

 

I have about 200 hours of gameplay to show it is viable too. I still don't like it, and I wish it was better.

[JPR1964]

Your giftees can still post reviews, but readers also have the right to discount them along with any others when gathering info concerning an informed purchase. At metacritic, reviews may be posted by anyone with an agenda; legitimate or not, played or not, copy & pasted or not, etc. Pass on the latter; prefer elsewhere.

 

But, when I bought a COD like game to my nephew,even if I don't play the game I can review it on Amazon with a verified status 

 

What's the difference with metacritic in my case   ?

 

I can review a style of game I don't like 

 

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JPR out!

[JPR1964]

Neither do I, but have 600+ hrs of gameplay to indicate that it is viable.

 

I prefer enjoyable for a game to viable, just question of taste 

 

JPR out!

[Elhanan]

I prefer enjoyable for a game to viable, just question of taste 
 
JPR out!

If one is not enjoying themselves for hundreds of hours of gameplay, then they might have other problems besides the controls.

And metacritic knowingly uses flawed results, data, and allows for non-users to post scores and reviews. Bad data leads to bad intel, which of course does not seem to bother those not seeking accurate info.

[SeventyOne]

And metacritic knowingly uses flawed results, data, and allows for non-users to post scores and reviews. Bad data leads to bad intel, which of course does not seem to bother those not seeking accurate info.

 

That is true. I happen to remember a great metacritic review for DA2 that "happened" to come from an excited Bioware employee. However is not common for people to write an unfavorable review of a product they have not experienced.

[Amplitudelol]

If one is not enjoying themselves for hundreds of hours of gameplay, then they might have other problems besides the controls.

And metacritic knowingly uses flawed results, data, and allows for non-users to post scores and reviews. Bad data leads to bad intel, which of course does not seem to bother those not seeking accurate info.

 

I dont know why you bother. They will not get it. Metacritic is fake, your 600+ hours of gameplay proves how cool the game is for you and for everyone else. They cant be happy for you for not getting frustrated by the overwhelming ammount of similarities with mmo gameplay. They will never accept the fact that using tac cam is most comfortable using a controller but if you really want to complete the game you can get used to it. It is totally viable as you said. They dont want to hear the fact that you can complete everything in the game 100% using a mouse and keyboard regardless of how the controls feel. They are too focused on the lack of party tactics to get into what really matters in the game: the stunning visuals, cool cinematics and exploring Thedas which means collecting shards and unlocking camps mostly. There is only one valid pc concern here: the lack of additional ability slots on the interface, I agree with you. Unfortunately the others keep pushing for more even if its unnecessary when the game is obviously complete and polished for the pc, and the controls themselves are just fine. They will never cope with a control scheme made for controllers and forced on keyboard and mouse without optimizing it. You cant change people, let them be toxic . They will never cope with the new quality of the Dragon Age franchise as you and Githcheater did. A shame.

[Elhanan]

That is true. I happen to remember a great metacritic review for DA2 that "happened" to come from an excited Bioware employee. However is not common for people to write an unfavorable review of a product they have not experienced.

And I recall the numerous negative scores for DA2 that appeared at launch, or possibly earlier. Be it either extreme, the results are entirely bogus.

[SeventyOne]

Yet you can not prove those negative scores were a product of wrong doing, presumably because it does not fit your narrative: "Bioware cant go wrong."

[Elhanan]

Yet you can not prove those negative scores were a product of wrong doing, presumably because it does not fit your narrative: "Bioware cant go wrong."

Just some simple math. Zeros and tens weigh the results towards five. Bogus. And it was others proving this; not Bioware or myself.

[GithCheater]

 

I can review a style of game I don't like 

 

 

Your Amazon review would be valid because you bought the game on Amazon (and probably played the game).

 

In Chicago (where the dead can vote), any review would be considered valid.

[SeventyOne]

Just some simple math. Zeros and tens weigh the results towards five. Bogus. And it was others proving this; not Bioware or myself.

 

So you tell me (without proving anything) that some people wrote bad reviews on metacritic for DA:I because?

[GithCheater]

Just some simple math. Zeros and tens weigh the results towards five. Bogus. And it was others proving this; not Bioware or myself.

 

Zeros (haters) and tens (fanboys) are valid reviews only if the reviewer has played the game.  Whether zeros or tens are "honest" reviews is another matter. 

 

Unfortunately rating standards are not well defined.  A rating of 5 by one person might be equivalent to an 8 rating by another person.  I believe that ranking of a game against other similar games might be a more reliable indicator of game quality.

 

For example, if I were to compare DAI vs DA2 vs DAA vs DAO I would give the following "ratings":

 

DAO - 10

DAI - 7

DAA - 4

DA2 - 1

[Elhanan]

Zeros (haters) and tens (fanboys) are valid reviews only if the reviewer has played the game.  Whether zeros or tens are "honest" reviews is another matter. 
 
Unfortunately rating standards are not well defined.  A rating of 5 by one person might be equivalent to an 8 rating by another person.  I believe that ranking of a game against other similar games might be a more reliable indicator of game quality.
 
For example, if I were to compare DAI vs DA2 vs DAA vs DAO I would give the following "ratings":
 
DAO - 10
DAI - 7
DAA - 4
DA2 - 1

The scores are improperly skewed towards a predetermined average by allowing invalid reviews (either extreme), and the site knowingly alters scores to fit into their parameters:

http://www.brainygam...metacritic.html

The site is not a valid source for game information.

[Dinkledorf]

Valid or not, seems that the review score most agreeable with one that I would give DAI is in fact Meta.  Go figure.

[Elhanan]

Valid or not, seems that the review score most agreeable with one that I would give DAI is in fact Meta.  Go figure.

And mine is closer to the Professional scores, though for different reasons (between 8 and 8.5).

[They call me a SpaceCowboy]

If one is not enjoying themselves for hundreds of hours of gameplay, then they might have other problems besides the controls.

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Now that sounds needlessly rude. People will play through the game for the story despite the controls. What "problem" are you suggesting they have?

[Elhanan]

Now that sounds needlessly rude. People will play through the game for the story despite the controls. What "problem" are you suggesting they have?

One playthrough is understandable, but to pour more into the game and claim it was not enjoyable is questionable at best.

[Drantwo]

Following the Metacritic model has always worked for me in the past. DA:O, Deus Ex:HR, Oblivion, Skyrim, Civilization series, Borderlands etc etc. Have bought all these games just by looking at user ratings of Metacritic. Pre-ordered DA:I as I was the hyped up idiot. Still regret it. A I do plan to continue with metacritic  even when I am aware of it's flaws. After that BioWare employee rating mess, I don't really believe the official reviews either. As such, I do not trust reviews from any professional gaming website, least being IGN itself. Thought for better results, especially for AAA games, I'll start visiting their forums/ read articles/news about the game and then see if I'd buy it or not. Will never ever pre-order games. Never. Hopefully Witcher 3 turns out well.

[Elhanan]

Yes; utilizing a known flawed site for info that matches personal opinions is always a solid choice. And if one also believes that the Pro scores are invalid, that raises the level of inaccuracy yet again.

[Amplitudelol]

I have to agree with the professional reviewers. They surely learned every bit of the science of gaming and they play in a very professional way unlike the gamers. Who am i to disagree with them as mere consumer of the products? Their opinion is absolute and undisputed. If they say a controller optimized pc rpg with mmorpg content is game of the year, and a successor to Origins, then it simply is. I dont recommend listening to gamers as they are not qualified to rate games, especially not on Metacritic - thats a very filthy and horrible place full of nasty people trolling it up with fake ratings. Leave it to the professionals. They know their sh**. They just proved it with Inquisition.

When you find yourself not liking an aspect of the game that was praised by reviews, repeat this 50 times: I am wrong, professionals cant go wrong, game journalism is not advertising machine of the gaming industry.

[Captain Wiseass]

Alternatively, realize that taste is inherently subjective and that people who like something you hate aren't automatically morons or inferior fans. (Also, there are no inferior fans.)

[jrf773]

Nor is an "expert" unfailable.  Or maybe they are... Reccent history has shown us that game jounrallism is full of an uncorruptable bastion of people.  As far as tastes go, there is no right nor wrong answer.  Some Disliked it, some didn't.  Just because you did doesn't mean that the other people here didn't have issues with it.  Plus the Wiseass(Sorry, had to do it...It was begging to be done. Ba doomp doomp ching)   said above, I would say that is quite accurate and I agree 100%

[Drantwo]

Yes; utilizing a known flawed site for info that matches personal opinions is always a solid choice. And if one also believes that the Pro scores are invalid, that raises the level of inaccuracy yet again.

Still, worked me every single time.

 

Also, stop thinking that your choices/opinions are more just than everyone else's here. I am not forcing my views on you or anyone else in this topic. I was simply stating which model works for me. Even if I was to buy this game based on Pro scores, I'd still regret buying it. I have played the game and found it bad. So Pro scores would have been invalid for me. My experience with the game comes closer to 5/10, which is fairly near to the Metacritic average of 5.8 and very far from the average of the Pro scores. Same goes with DA:O. Saw that it was 8.4 on user ratings, decided to buy it. Played it and thought it was 9/10. So yes my opinion. Am not forcing it on you. Stop with this elitist attitude of yours in regards to the game. "I do not have problems with the game, no one should", is the world you are living in since last 100 pages. I believe you weren't like that 300 pages back.  I have read your posts back then and they were full of your own opinions and never undermined other's. They were very constructive and did help a lot. If you still have this elitist approach, you are going to be bashed by everyone who is not happy with the game.

 

tl;dr Don't stoop down to our 12 year old GithCheater's level.  

[Elhanan]

A broken clock is correct twice a day. Using invalid data as a source for intel is unwise.