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[Elhanan]

Let me get this straight, the argument made is that controls "aren't bad" because "X person played Y hours" ?
Don't you see the flaws of such argument?
 
You never finished a book or a series because of being invested into it, or a game because you paid for it. Or you can't accept that while imperfect, other things of the game balanced it enough to make it a somewhat pleasant (while uncomfortable at times) experience ?
 
I played Skyrim, and i would liked to have a few words with the person who decided to port the console interface into the PC (and Bioware seems to have hired the f... i mean great dude).
 
Everything seems to be black or white for people nowadays. I didn't like it, it's crap. I liked it, it's godsend. No, there is always room for improvement, and in the PC UI and controls there is a lot of room of improvement when you designed solely for gamepads. And that's pretty much a fact, and while i can understand people prefering it, i can't understand how you get a word in what i should prefer.

Nope. X amt of hours playing a game does not equate to quality. But to complain about the controls while playing multiple playthroughs seems somewhat disingenuous.

And if I do not care for something, I generally do not complete it. My time is valued a bit more than that, though I do not speak for others.

[TobyJake]

Nope. X amt of hours playing a game does not equate to quality. But to complain about the controls while playing multiple playthroughs seems somewhat disingenuous.

And if I do not care for something, I generally do not complete it. My time is valued a bit more than that, though I do not speak for others.

Can I hear that again?

Who on this topic is claiming multiple playthroughs and wonderful controls?

You and Githcheater maybe.

The rest of us would like to be able to play the game. This is the entire reason for this forum or haven't you read the title?

[Elhanan]

This makes little sense to me:

"The controls are horrible. They were terrible the first time, and the second, but really annoyed me the third time so much that I almost quit."

Right up there with those offended at nudity watching the offensive film numerous times to prove it was rude....

[Sartoz]

I am not negating anyone's critical comments of the KB+M controls.  I am stating that the substandard controls do not prevent most PC players from enjoying the game. 

 

The large amount fetch quests, the lesser amount of dialog (500,000 words for DAI compared to 800,000 for DAO) and the substandard pc controls, are insufficient flaws to prevent DAI from being a good enjoyable game for the large majority of PC players.

 

One stating dislike for DAI yet having multiple playthroughs seems disingenuous to me.

 

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Reading comprehension aside,  I keep mentioning the counter intuitive controls and the word awkword. How you jumped to dislike for DAI and then to multiple playthroughs followed by disingenuous is quite an acrobatic feat!.

 

Three chars I play. None have completed the game.  The furthest is Emprise du Lion (playing as a completionist) with a char that DAI switched voice on me and  Bio cannot UNSWITCH or switch again, for that matter.

 

Now, I'm glad that the substandard PC controls allows you to enjoy the game. To me, however, the substandard controls only allows me to play the game in a counter intuitive awkward manner.  Note that the word enjoy and the word dislike is missing from my statement. 

 

Just thought you'd like to know.

[Bethgael]

Hey Bethgael,
I just reread this. I didn't realize that. what a dunce I am! Is there a way to keep her out of melee or at least to keep her from dying? . Spirit blade I have it enabled but not preferred- maybe I should put it on disabled?.


Ah then also the ranged AI is fixed for me. Dorrian, Solas, Sera, and my Varric work well now at range.

Thank you !

 

I have no idea. I am not generally fond of her, so don't take her out much. The only KE I've had thus far was an IQ so I had complete control over her.

I'm a bit of a dolt with my PC mages in any case--they always get too close. I have to remind them to back up (My favourite class is sword and board warr so I do like to get in the thick of it I guess). Bit I do like to use the fully upgraded rejuv. pots. They will tick over the HP of any within the circle of effect--so if Viv's always in there, pop one on your melee class (or whoever your IQ is) and go stand next to her until she gets the hint to back off a bit. Might keep her alive for a bit.

Side note: I use this for Bull a bit, too, because while he can hit like a mac truck when he gets up a bit, level-wise, all of his best hits rely on him being at half health and whatnot (reavers *eyeroll*) so I keep him rejuved with my IQ so he can use the armour pots and whatnot so he doesn't go down too quickly on nightmare.

[Finoderi]

Just disable Spirit Blade and Vivienne will always stand aback from enemies. She is a great mage. But combat mechanic in DAI was srewed up completely...

[DragonsDream]

stupid phone....

[DragonsDream]

This makes little sense to me:

"The controls are horrible. They were terrible the first time, and the second, but really annoyed me the third time so much that I almost quit."

Right up there with those offended at nudity watching the offensive film numerous times to prove it was rude....

probably because of your inability to think conceptually.

 

"my first playthrough with an archer was tolerable. The controls are awful but at least arrows auto target.

my second playthrough with a AoE mage was about the same. Bad controls but tolerable.

My third play with a sword and board warrior was intolerable. After my 10th death because my toon was swinging at air instead of hitting her target, I rage quit throwing the useless mouse across the room"

 

There ya go. Problem solved.

[TobyJake]

1 day 5 hours to salvation!

[Elhanan]

probably because of your inability to think conceptually.
 
"my first playthrough with an archer was tolerable. The controls are awful but at least arrows auto target.
my second playthrough with a AoE mage was about the same. Bad controls but tolerable.
My third play with a sword and board warrior was intolerable. After my 10th death because my toon was swinging at air instead of hitting her target, I rage quit throwing the useless mouse across the room"
 
There ya go. Problem solved.

As expected, the control problem seems to be one of self-restraint; not mechanics. Thanks for the example.

[Drantwo]

As expected, the control problem seems to be one of self-restraint; not mechanics. Thanks for the example.

Whatever floats your boat. If you think and quote "Some players are able to cope...others cannot" then so be it . We are all whiners here to love to hate this mess of a game and we don't care, we love it! Welcome to the land of the BioWare/DA:I haters! 

[DragonsDream]

As expected, the control problem seems to be one of self-restraint.

yes, just restrain yourself from playing 3 of the 5 classes with a KB+m and you'll do ok (provided you can deal with no click-to-move. My wife refuses to play any game without click-to-move and is still pissed that she bought 3 copies of this game on PC (one for her, one for me and one for her nephew for Xmas))

[Amplitudelol]

As expected, the control problem seems to be one of self-restraint; not mechanics. Thanks for the example.

 

Exactly, they are not as patient and skilled as we are. Instead of trying to learn the otherwise totally ok control scheme they are living in the captivity of negativity and spread hate around here. How can they not see that the game is not a console port and Bioware designed it with keyboard and mouse in mind first and foremost. At least we see it and know it and made it a fact, written in stone and undeniably proved it with our many hours of gameplay. Haters gonna hate but we stand above them with our unassailable intelligence bro.

[They call me a SpaceCowboy]

Nope. X amt of hours playing a game does not equate to quality. But to complain about the controls while playing multiple playthroughs seems somewhat disingenuous.

And if I do not care for something, I generally do not complete it. My time is valued a bit more than that, though I do not speak for others.

 

 

So let me get this straight here. You are saying those people are, what? Lying? They really enjoy the game and are fine with the controls, but complain anyway? Why would they do such a thing?

[Keldaurz]

As expected, the control problem seems to be one of self-restraint; not mechanics. Thanks for the example.

Do you realize that wonky controls, are still wonky nonetheless you manage to get through the tedious, right ? Because if you can't see this, any discussion further with you will be pointless. I don't have any problem in nightmare difficulty, but it's transparent to me the flaws on the game controls.

Nope. X amt of hours playing a game does not equate to quality. But to complain about the controls while playing multiple playthroughs seems somewhat disingenuous.

And if I do not care for something, I generally do not complete it. My time is valued a bit more than that, though I do not speak for others.

Disingenuous would be to play the game and act as the KB + Mouse controls are completely fine, and the interface is not a complete mess because it was made for consoles. That's disingenuous by definition. How bearable it is for you has nothing to do with that fact.

 

The point that some people may have somewhat enjoyed the game, or finished it, does not suddenly trumps any critizable aspect of the game.

 

Not me tho, since i haven't manage to finish the game because of how bad the controls and interface are, while i waited for promised fixes to what was marketed as a PC game and not a console port. You won't see me regularly posting, because well, i am still waiting for the PC game, the game going back to DAO roots that i was promised, and not the console action RPG with MMORPG quests.

 

And i am sure, many people gave up on this thread and game long time ago, where after 7 updates, very little has been done, so don't be surprised if the people who are left around here, are people who are passionate enough about DA to even finish it just for the story, or how invested they are into the franchise.

 

So let me get this straight here. You are saying those people are, what? Lying? They really enjoy the game and are fine with the controls, but complain anyway? Why would they do such a thing?

 

He is trying to prove the line "haters gonna hate", and people are just hating on the controls while being hypocrats because they played the game anyways.

 

To be completely honest, his arguments are such strawmans, and so polarizing that i have a very hard time thinking he is not on a payroll to derail the thread, but sometimes you have to give the man a chance.

[DragonsDream]

 

Do you realize that wonky controls, are still wonky nonetheless you manage to get through the tedious, right ? Because if you can't see this, any discussion further with you will be pointless. I don't have any problem in nightmare difficulty, but it's transparent to me the flaws on the game controls.

Disingenuous would be to play the game and act as the KB + Mouse controls are completely fine, and the interface is not a complete mess because it was made for consoles. That's disingenuous by definition. How bearable it is for you has nothing to do with that fact.

 

The point that some people may have somewhat enjoyed the game, or finished it, does not suddenly trumps any critizable aspect of the game.

 

Not me tho, since i haven't manage to finish the game because of how bad the controls and interface are, while i waited for promised fixes to what was marketed as a PC game and not a console port. You won't see me regularly posting, because well, i am still waiting for the PC game, the game going back to DAO roots that i was promised, and not the console action RPG with MMORPG quests.

 

And i am sure, many people gave up on this thread and game long time ago, where after 7 updates, very little has been done, so don't be surprised if the people who are left around here, are people who are passionate enough about DA to even finish it just for the story, or how invested they are into the franchise.

 

 

He is trying to prove the line "haters gonna hate", and people are just hating on the controls while being hypocrats because they played the game anyways.

 

To be completely honest, his arguments are such strawmans, and so polarizing that i have a very hard time thinking he is not on a payroll to derail the thread, but sometimes you have to give the man a chance.

 

I would expect someone paid by Bioware/EA to be... better. To have better arguments. To actually have a point rather than just coming across as an entitled baby. I would hope that Bioware has a better argument than "it's not a problem for me, thus it's not a problem for anyone".

 

No, sadly, Elhanan is just a common internet troll, abet a better one than GithCheater or Correctamundo (although that's a bit like saying having herpes is better than having AIDS or cancer).

[Amplitudelol]

My first weekend back home and it's raining like we're in Seattle. I asked my wife how long it's been since we saw rain this late in May... and it was a decade. We've been in a drought so long that the ground is actually pooling water instead of absorbing it. Thank the Maker for the rain. I dread going back to the work site tomorrow. Six months... I can do this. 

 

[They call me a SpaceCowboy]

My first weekend back home and it's raining like we're in Seattle. I asked my wife how long it's been since we saw rain this late in May... and it was a decade. We've been in a drought so long that the ground is actually pooling water instead of absorbing it. Thank the Maker for the rain. I dread going back to the work site tomorrow. Six months... I can do this. 

 

Where is home?

[Elhanan]

So let me get this straight here. You are saying those people are, what? Lying? They really enjoy the game and are fine with the controls, but complain anyway? Why would they do such a thing?

Nope. Folks simply enjoy complaining more. I mean we have folks complaining about free DLC, fixes that were not prioritized, fixes that had something to do with a part if the game they did not use, etc. I do not think folks are lying, but prefer a bit too much whine with their games.

[Sylveria_Relden]

Let me get this straight, the argument made is that controls "aren't bad" because "X person played Y hours" ?

Don't you see the flaws of such argument?

 

You never finished a book or a series because of being invested into it, or a game because you paid for it. Or you can't accept that while imperfect, other things of the game balanced it enough to make it a somewhat pleasant (while uncomfortable at times) experience ?

 

I played Skyrim, and i would liked to have a few words with the person who decided to port the console interface into the PC (and Bioware seems to have hired the f... i mean great dude).

 

Everything seems to be black or white for people nowadays. I didn't like it, it's crap. I liked it, it's godsend. No, there is always room for improvement, and in the PC UI and controls there is a lot of room of improvement when you designed solely for gamepads. And that's pretty much a fact, and while i can understand people prefering it, i can't understand how you get a word in what i should prefer.

 

Hey now, don't go bringing fact and logic into this discussion- you'll simply confuse the trolls. What the wide majority of us believe will never sway the narcissistic, who feel it's their "duty" to come into this thread and champion a cause for which they've already won. You see, since EA/Booware hard-coded the controls into their console port, they simply can't give us what we're asking for- and because it's bad PR to announce this they just give us the silent treatment.

 

Since they can't change it- the trolls really have no job security here- there's no argument to win in the first place. They've already gotten what they wanted, and we got the shaft.

[Elhanan]

Yes; it is a big secret that there is little actual Dev feedback here. The scandal....

Still, we have this thread in which to vent, while elsewhere threads are seemingly deleted that voice displeasure; cannot blame them.

[Drantwo]

Hmm, the last game in which I've 350 hours+ of gameplay was Skyrim. Somewhere around 500-600 hours. I didn't really dislike the vanilla game either, but with all those mods, it was a great experience. Once in a lifetime.