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[Isaidlunch]

I just completed the "Protect Clan Lavellan" mission and I'm wondering what happens if you pick a different advisor...

 

Spoiler

I picked Josephine and the clan was "scattered or killed" by the time allies came to help. I hope I didn't screw over my clan just because I was too impatient to wait for Leliana or Cullen to be ready

[Samaella]

Sorry, but

Spoiler

I picked Cullen and I can't remember what it said exactly, but the clan was saved and the local Lord promised to take care of the bandits if they came again. Not sure what Leliana does, but yeah, you're able to save them with Cullen atleast.

[The People's Herald]

Spoiler

I sent Josephine on that mission too! When I read about what happened I was like: OMG I killed my clan! I was so unhappy. I'll have to try and go back to an earlier save and send Cullen or Leliana instead. Thanks for the info Samaella!

[TheHoneyRuns]

Has anybody else done this and kept going? It would be nice if this were recognized in a cutscene or dialogue. If not I'll just reload.

 

EDIT (SPOILERS, NATURALLY): Right, so I apparently overwrote my Skyhold autosave, and the previous save is over two hours ago. I'm not back-tracking that far, so if any dialogue pertaining to the loss comes up, or even a damned codex, I'll mention it so that those in the same predicament will at least have the information out there to stumble across.

 

So far I've talked to a number of companions around the castle since and its business as usual. There is no inclination whatsoever that her clan was just wiped out. That kind of makes it worse; the zero acknowledgement, given how the clan had been referenced at multiple points prior.

[The People's Herald]

^ No kidding. You'd think someone would at least mention something. That said, even though my most recent save before that is about three hours before I found out what happened, I'll probably backtrack and do things over again just because I'm so completely unhappy with how things turned out. Plus my Inquisitor is heartbroken, and I don't want that!

[DarkSeraphym]

Has anybody else done this and kept going? It would be nice if this were recognized in a cutscene or dialogue. If not I'll just reload.

 

EDIT (SPOILERS, NATURALLY): Right, so I apparently overwrote my Skyhold autosave, and the previous save is over two hours ago. I'm not back-tracking that far, so if any dialogue pertaining to the loss comes up, or even a damned codex, I'll mention it so that those in the same predicament will at least have the information out there to stumble across.

 

So far I've talked to a number of companions around the castle since and its business as usual. There is no inclination whatsoever that her clan was just wiped out. That kind of makes it worse; the zero acknowledgement, given how the clan had been referenced at multiple points prior.

 

I'm really unimpressed with the Operations system in general because of this. It actually makes the world feel less alive, not more. I know what it's trying to accomplish for the sake of flavor, but a lot of this stuff has actual roleplaying implications. Those implications don't feel even a little real because 1). you don't participate in them at all, 2). no one seems to reference any of them, and 3). some of the options that seem to work best will create precisely the outcome you don't want. If you are like me and a hardcore RPer, the clan ended up dead just because I refused to accept what I believed to be the worst option in one part of the chain, which is referenced further in my spoiler. 

 

Spoiler

For future reference guys, the race operations are largely designed this way and this is NOT the only operation in the Elf line designed this way. The other parts of the chain are all designed as such where only two options are the correct choice, the other leading to the death of the entire clan. Tread carefully if this really bothers you because even if you choose correctly next time, it'll may just get them killed anyway later.

 

I will also caution that, for the most part, these choices are almost entirely arbitrary. For example, there are two paths that open up in this operation line. The one that opens up if you pick Leliana reveals that the Duke of Wycome intends to kill your entire clan. You are cautioned that outright opposition isn't advisable, so that takes Cullen out of the running. What Josephine wants to do is install a diplomat that can help you monitor the situation, Leliana wants to assassinate the Duke. Choose Leliana in this line and it turns out that the plot fails and he retaliates against the Dalish anyway. That's just a load of crap.

[Nadijeh]

So there's nothing to be done about it, then? Who thought ones origin didn't make any difference what so ever in the end.

[NeverlandHunter]

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I sent Josephine on that mission too! When I read about what happened I was like: OMG I killed my clan! I was so unhappy. I'll have to try and go back to an earlier save and send Cullen or Leliana instead. Thanks for the info Samaella!

No don't!

Spoiler

Don't send Cullen!
The mission goes like this:
Bad "bandits" that are suspiciously well equipped are attacking your Clan.
Ask Josephine to ask the Lord of that Land for help.
Ask Cullen to send in troops.
Ask Leliana to help the clan retreat and look into the suspicious activity.
Use Leliana!! Josephine 's didn't work because the Lord said he couldn't help in time. Cullen's works but you don't know about the Lord. Use Leliana to discover the Lord sent mercenaries after your clan!!!

[Dyanna]

I was pretty far along the storyline and it still happened.

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Mission was "Restore Order in Wycome", I sent Cullen in to deal with the nobles. Turns out, my army that beats every other foe in this game apparently is unequipped to defeat some lyrium-crazy nobles, and the nobles retaliated upon my clan. If I do  another palythrough as an elf I'll only do these missions right before going to bed, so I can undo them without a problem. Now I also wanted to go find someone who comforts my Inquisitor, but apparently that's not happening.

[Applepie_Svk]

so it´s another point where BioWare fail to recognize of what´s important for thier fans...

[Dermain]

so it´s another point where BioWare fail to recognize of what´s important for thier fans...

 

Or it could be some of the fans not taking the whole "actions have consequences" thing...

 

Granted it has no consequence on the actual game besides making the player feel bad for choosing the wrong thing, but it's still a consequence for a choice.

 

Unless we don't like those...

[Master Race]

The part where Bioware failed is apparently  nobody seems to even care that your entire clan was wiped out (not even the Inquisitor!). That's really stupid.

[Tishina]

The part where Bioware failed is apparently  nobody seems to even care that your entire clan was wiped out (not even the Inquisitor!). That's really stupid.

Kind of like DAO when people talk to you about their problems when your family has just been wiped out?  Or when people say cruel things to you and your party doesn't notice or you just found everyone you ever knew possessed or dead in the tower? (Though I'll give Morrigan credit, if she's with a dwarven commoner when you run into your mother in Orzammar's palace, she sympathizes. Odd that she was almost the only moment of awareness about the Warden.)

[Patchwork]

Okay I'm not very far into the game and so far I've only had the mission to reassure the clan Lavellen is okay. I went with Josie as sending an elven scribe seemed like the reasonable choice but is this a quest chain where if you don't choose the right advisor each time your clan gets killed or is 'Restore Order in Wycome' a standalone and if you want to save them send Leliana? 

[Lianaar]

I picked Cullen to pacify the place and I had to reload.

 

I was pretty far along the storyline and it still happened.

Spoiler

Mission was "Restore Order in Wycome", I sent Cullen in to deal with the nobles. Turns out, my army that beats every other foe in this game apparently is unequipped to defeat some lyrium-crazy nobles, and the nobles retaliated upon my clan. If I do  another palythrough as an elf I'll only do these missions right before going to bed, so I can undo them without a problem. Now I also wanted to go find someone who comforts my Inquisitor, but apparently that's not happening.

Spoiler

I couldn't oocly handle the idea of bringing my own clan into a town, then sending my love to ensure my clan is safe, then learning that my clan was wiped out.. because of my decisions... by the failure of my partner. Ugh! My inquisitor couldn't handle that!

 

As for the army? He is not sending the WHOLE army, naturally. You need your army to defend Skyhold, and handle other matters. If you get all of your troups out there, then the story probably ends in death, lyrium and demons.

 

 

[Dyanna]

I picked Cullen to pacify the place and I had to reload.

 

Spoiler

I couldn't oocly handle the idea of bringing my own clan into a town, then sending my love to ensure my clan is safe, then learning that my clan was wiped out.. because of my decisions... by the failure of my partner. Ugh! My inquisitor couldn't handle that!

 

As for the army? He is not sending the WHOLE army, naturally. You need your army to defend Skyhold, and handle other matters. If you get all of your troups out there, then the story probably ends in death, lyrium and demons.

Spoiler

Sure, it's not the whole army, but in all other missions he did for me he always sent an appropriately large part. And he seemed to grasp the importance of it, too, according to the description. Regardless, my main complaint is not that I didn't expect my clan to die (though I didn't; but not reloading and doing the last 6h of gameplay again in the end is my choice), but that nobody in the game seems to care about it.

 

I totally sympathize btw, it was bad enough losing the clan. But losing them because of the failure of your love interest must really wear on the inquisitor and would totally warrant a cutscene/big conversation. (Or reloading, as you did. That sounds a lot healthier.  )

[Aisabel]

Leliana couldnt save em either. :/

[ButterRum]

By LUCK I picked Cullen because my other advisors were busy, and I got them on my side!

[Addai]

That happened to me in my game, too. I thought- my clan just got wiped out and nobody says anything to me about it??

[LobselVith8]

I just completed the "Protect Clan Lavellan" mission and I'm wondering what happens if you pick a different advisor...

 

Spoiler

I picked Josephine and the clan was "scattered or killed" by the time allies came to help. I hope I didn't screw over my clan just because I was too impatient to wait for Leliana or Cullen to be ready

 

Clan Lavellan can have a happy ending.

 

Spoiler

It takes a series of war table missions. My Inquisitor chose to have Cullen fight alongside Clan Lavellan when the initial attacks started, then had Leliana sneak the Dalish into Wycome after discovering that the people were under the effects of red lyrium to help the people, and finally had Cullen defend the city because the nobles started incite violence against the Dalish among the other Marcher cities while the non-nobles of Wycome saw Clan Lavellan as heroes, leading to Keeper Istimaethoriel becoming a leader of the city among a council of others, which will include an elven member of the Alienage.

[Shinobu]

Clan Lavellan can have a happy ending.

 

Spoiler

It takes a series of war table missions. My Inquisitor chose to have Cullen fight alongside Clan Lavellan when the initial attacks started, then had Leliana sneak the Dalish into Wycome after discovering that the people were under the effects of red lyrium to help the people, and finally had Cullen defend the city because the nobles started incite violence against the Dalish among the other Marcher cities while the non-nobles of Wycome saw Clan Lavellan as heroes, leading to Keeper Istimaethoriel becoming a leader of the city among a council of others, which will include an elven member of the Alienage.

 

Thank you!

[LobselVith8]

Thank you!

 

You're welcome.

[rda]

Yeah, I hated these missions. I don't mid actions have consequences, but even my LI doesn't say anything? Total BS.

[BubbleDncr]

I must have sent Cullen because my clan is alive and well. 

[MPSai]

Huh. So there are consequences for assigning an ill-suited advisor to a mission. I wouldn't know because I'm apparently a tactical genius.