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[introverted_assassin]

yeah I didn't realize until I squinted to read the report...I sent Leli and that didn't go well. Odd that no one says a thing to Neriya. How did the writer's drop the ball on that one?

[Feranel]

Clan Lavellan can have a happy ending.

 

Spoiler

It takes a series of war table missions. My Inquisitor chose to have Cullen fight alongside Clan Lavellan when the initial attacks started, then had Leliana sneak the Dalish into Wycome after discovering that the people were under the effects of red lyrium to help the people, and finally had Cullen defend the city because the nobles started incite violence against the Dalish among the other Marcher cities while the non-nobles of Wycome saw Clan Lavellan as heroes, leading to Keeper Istimaethoriel becoming a leader of the city among a council of others, which will include an elven member of the Alienage.

 

So from what I'm gathering is that if I picked Leliana to go in first instead of Cullen I'm screwed?

[KillTheLastRomantic]

I've got to agree with those that disliked this chain of operations. It trivializes such a huge part of an elven Inquisitors back story and identity. Not only does nobody react at all if your entire clan dies, the fact that they can be wiped out pretty much makes it highly unlikely that we'll ever meet them in future content.

[Addai]

Some of them may have survived. The Dalish are experts at melting into the woodwork, after all.

I don't mind that they included it, because it gives weight to your choices at the war table. What we needed was a scene with Cole afterwards and one with the advisors where the Inquisitor holds them to secrecy so no one loses faith in her ability to lead, and an acknowledgement from the LI.

[KillTheLastRomantic]

I've only played the game once so far so I may be forgetting some story beats, but is there any solid reason that the clan you encounter in exalted plains couldn't have been clan Lavellan instead of what we got? Seems like a wasted opportunity.

[Serza]

I've only played the game once so far so I may be forgetting some story beats, but is there any solid reason that the clan you encounter in exalted plains couldn't have been clan Lavellan instead of what we got? Seems like a wasted opportunity.

 

Fair point. Except that clan Lavellan is either wiped, or busy up in the Free Marches, with their Keeper ruling the city and whatnot.

[KillTheLastRomantic]

Fair point. Except that clan Lavellan is either wiped, or busy up in the Free Marches, with their Keeper ruling the city and whatnot.

 

Well obviously if they'd been the clan chosen to appear in Exalted Plains those operations wouldn't be there. Academic, at this point, anyway. I just think if they were going to put in a Dalish clan anyway I can't see any reason why it couldn't have been them, with some reactive dialogues for an Elven Inquisitor.

[Serza]

Well, it's not a full clan in the Exalted Plains OR the Emerald Graves, right.

 

Keeper Istimaethoriel could've sent some down south, where Quizzy would find them...

[LobselVith8]

Well obviously if they'd been the clan chosen to appear in Exalted Plains those operations wouldn't be there. Academic, at this point, anyway. I just think if they were going to put in a Dalish clan anyway I can't see any reason why it couldn't have been them, with some reactive dialogues for an Elven Inquisitor.

Perhaps to allow the player to define their own backstory and relationships with the members of the clan, to provide for greater roleplay with the elven Inquisitor.

[Vilegrim]

Or it could be some of the fans not taking the whole "actions have consequences" thing...

 

Granted it has no consequence on the actual game besides making the player feel bad for choosing the wrong thing, but it's still a consequence for a choice.

 

Unless we don't like those...

 

Except it's not, no one reacts, you can't take revenge, the only thing you can take away with this is that Bioware don't see racially motivated genocide as anything to care about.

[Precursor Meta]

I can't remember what happened to my clan. It's kind of hard to care about something that you've never scene or experienced.

[Kunoichi2007]

Man, I really messed up. I sent Cullen on the Contact Clan Lavellan mission and it's way too late to redo it. I hope this won't affect future content and that we can change it in Dragon Age Keep.

[Aetheria]

I've only played the game once so far so I may be forgetting some story beats, but is there any solid reason that the clan you encounter in exalted plains couldn't have been clan Lavellan instead of what we got? Seems like a wasted opportunity.

Probably maintaining parity of content for each background. An appropriate amount of content for an elven Inquisitor in that scenario would be a ton of stuff only a quarter or a third of players would actually see, and then players who picked other races would wonder why there wasn't a similar amount of content for their backgrounds as well. And if that was put in, well, it would be a lot of extra content. Which might not be the best use of development time and budget compared to more content for the main storyline.

[mrs_anomaly]

Clan Lavellan can have a happy ending.

 

Spoiler

It takes a series of war table missions. My Inquisitor chose to have Cullen fight alongside Clan Lavellan when the initial attacks started, then had Leliana sneak the Dalish into Wycome after discovering that the people were under the effects of red lyrium to help the people, and finally had Cullen defend the city because the nobles started incite violence against the Dalish among the other Marcher cities while the non-nobles of Wycome saw Clan Lavellan as heroes, leading to Keeper Istimaethoriel becoming a leader of the city among a council of others, which will include an elven member of the Alienage.

You rock! Thanks for telling us this. I'm totally fine with consequences of my choices and enjoy it but if there aren't going to be any acknowledgements to my clan getting wiped out then I'm going to play it so my clan survives no matter what 

[jsharkey]

I know this is slightly off topic but when do you unlock the third mission in the chain?

Spoiler

I succesfully got my clan through the first two missions (secrets then forces) but I can't find the third mission. I haven't completed any of the story missions since I got to Skyhold, so do I just need to complete Wicked Hearts or Here Lies the Abyss?

[Kevs]

War Table Guide - I've been using this since I started my second play through because apparently, there are several war table chains that don't reach the end if you don't select the right advisors.

 

It would have been nice if the war table reports actually hint at which advisor to send, but most of them don't do that. I think the one time where the report hinted at who not to send in this chain is with the Investigate "Duke Antoine of Wycome" mission where the report vaguely mentions that sending another spy is too suspicious and risky.

[Dermain]

Except it's not, no one reacts, you can't take revenge, the only thing you can take away with this is that Bioware don't see racially motivated genocide as anything to care about.

 

If you feel bad about it then it is a consequence.

 

It's inconsequential that the rest of the game does not react to the choice.

[jsharkey]

War Table Guide - I've been using this since I started my second play through because apparently, there are several war table chains that don't reach the end if you don't select the right advisors.

 

It would have been nice if the war table reports actually hint at which advisor to send, but most of them don't do that. I think the one time where the report hinted at who not to send in this chain is with the Investigate "Duke Antoine of Wycome" mission where the report vaguely mentions that sending another spy is too suspicious and risky.

It should be noted that there are quite a few errors on that page so take it with a grain of salt.

[LobselVith8]

So from what I'm gathering is that if I picked Leliana to go in first instead of Cullen I'm screwed?

 

I've never picked that option (I'm still on my second run, again as a Dalish mage, but I haven't reached that point), although I heard you can uncover who was behind the attacks against Clan Lavellan, but you're warned against using a spy a second time (which is supposed to be eluded to based on the wording of the war table quest). Sorry I can't provide anything more concrete about that particular path.

[jsharkey]

I've never picked that option (I'm still on my second run, again as a Dalish mage, but I haven't reached that point), although I heard you can uncover who was behind the attacks against Clan Lavellan, but you're warned against using a spy a second time (which is supposed to be eluded to based on the wording of the war table quest). Sorry I can't provide anything more concrete about that particular path.

For the first mission (contacting the clan) anyone besides Cullen works, for the second mission (defending the clan) anyone besides Josephine works, though the choice between Leliana and Cullen results in different mission paths.

[LobselVith8]

For the first mission (contacting the clan) anyone besides Cullen works, for the second mission (defending the clan) anyone besides Josephine works, though the choice between Leliana and Cullen results in different mission paths.

 

I thought Feranel was referencing the point at which Clan Lavellan is getting already attacked, and we can decide to have Leliana spy and find out who is behind the attacks, or have Cullen send soldiers to help defend Clan Lavellan.

[iheartbob]

I never even got this mission for my Levellan.

 

When does it happen? Pretty late game?

[LobselVith8]

I never even got this mission for my Levellan.

 

When does it happen? Pretty late game?

 

You can get the initial Clan Lavellan mission after you deal with the initial rift (while you're in Haven) from the war table (which should be on the Free Marches portion of the map, towards the top of your screen), while the subsequent missions involving your clan take place once your elven Inquisitor has relocated to Skyhold.

[Kalshane]

Honestly, I'm okay with you being able to screw up. But the complete lack of recognition of it happening from both your Inquisitor and from your companions is immersion-breaking. I just had this happen to me and the fact that none of my companions, most of whom my Inquisitor has befriended, nor Josephine, my LI, nor Cullen, whose advice I followed to reach this point have anything to say about it. You'd think Cullen, at least, would feel some guilt about it.

[Arisugawa]

I roleplayed it out as though my Lavellan had no wish to talk about it.

 

The report was left for her, she read it privately, and then never discussed it with anyone.

 

Leliana, Cullen, and Josephine took this as a sign that it was not something to bring up unless the Inquisitor brought it up first. I suspect there was some internalizing of responsibility as well, that the three of them privately felt they had let their Inquisitor down (particularly the one who recommended the course of action that lead to the Clan's death), and thus they honestly didn't know how to bring it up to her. Or even if they should.

 

She mourned alone, and to be honest, in mourning alone it was one of the more powerful roleplaying moments for my Inquisitor. Her entire outlook changed going forward, and it was the catalyst that put things in motion for her to pursue Solas.