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[Bugsie]

I have only just started my second playthrough so haven't got any quests as yet, but I came across a post somewhere listed which advisor/s you should use for each war table mission in order to save the clan. Not sure if I'll use it yet or wing it with my elf inquisitor.

[Vader20]

This was the kind of mission which the elven Inquisitor should have taken part in.... Leaving it just another operation was a bad choice. Going there in person might have added a lot of depth to our character and his or her background. Same with the human noble and dwarf or other race. That should have had a personal mission at least.

[wiccame]

Sorry, but

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I picked Cullen and I can't remember what it said exactly, but the clan was saved and the local Lord promised to take care of the bandits if they came again. Not sure what Leliana does, but yeah, you're able to save them with Cullen atleast.

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Weird, I picked Cullen and the clan was slaughtered

[LobselVith8]

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Weird, I picked Cullen and the clan was slaughtered

The first time (in Haven), it leads to their death, but once you've moved to Skyhold and your clan is under threat from "bandits", picking Cullen will allow the clan to defend themselves, with aid from Cullen's soldiers.

[CENIC]

I got the ending for this mission chain where

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Your Keeper becomes part of Wycome's city council to help represent the city elves

Is there a way to keep them alive and they remain a traveling Dalish clan? My elf was a bit resentful that they traded their heritage to help flat-ears.

[LobselVith8]

I got the ending for this mission chain where

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Your Keeper becomes part of Wycome's city council to help represent the city elves

Is there a way to keep them alive and they remain a traveling Dalish clan? My elf was a bit resentful that they traded their heritage to help flat-ears.

 

I don't believe so. I have to say, Clan Lavellan didn't trade their heritage to help the Andrastian elves, they simply settled down in Wycome; they're hardly the first clan to help a non-Dalish elf who was in need, either (as Aneirin, Lanaya, and others can attest to).

[wiccame]

The first time (in Haven), it leads to their death, but once you've moved to Skyhold and your clan is under threat from "bandits", picking Cullen will allow the clan to defend themselves, with aid from Cullen's soldiers.

This was when I got to Skyhold. I had Leliana inform them I was ok, had Cullen protect them and they fought with his troops, they were ok but I think it was the third mission I picked Cullen again and they were killed.

[XMissWooX]

I accidentally got them killed, which saved me the bother of having to deliberately get them killed later.

[LobselVith8]

This was when I got to Skyhold. I had Leliana inform them I was ok, had Cullen protect them and they fought with his troops, they were ok but I think it was the third mission I picked Cullen again and they were killed.

You need to get Leliana to smuggle them into the city to help the humans who are under the effects of red lyrium; after that mission, you can get Cullen's soldiers to defend the city when the Marcher cities are incited to attack the elves by jealous nobles.

[Mistic]

I don't believe so. I have to say, Clan Lavellan didn't trade their heritage to help the Andrastian elves, they simply settled down in Wycome; they're hardly the first clan to help a non-Dalish elf who was in need, either (as Aneirin, Lanaya, and others can attest to).

 

Well, yeah, but this is very different. Those were lone city elves in need of help in the wilderness. This is a whole clan saving a human town from red lyrium, then refusing to go because they wanted to protect the city elves, and finally settling down for good.

 

I'm not criticizing their decision; on the contrary, I find it epic. But I'm pretty sure many Dalish would be shocked, and not in a good way. The main problem I see is not the "Let's help the city elves" part (ok, there might be jerks like the Virnehn), but the "Let's live with shemlen" part. That throws a wrench in the whole "elven nation" goal, and it's the complete opposite of the original Dales.

[HelenMac321]

Have just re-rolled a character, so have literally just done this mission!

 

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I chose Cullen, and the mission went something along the lines of 'A few Inquisition soldiers are killed, along with a few Lavellan clan members, but before more casualties occur the clan leader realises that the soldiers mean no harm, and they are able to pass on the letter that states the Lavellan Inquisitor joined the Inquisition by choice

 

So there are a few clan members left in that instance. Sorry for the long-winded explanation though! 

[LobselVith8]

Well, yeah, but this is very different. Those were lone city elves in need of help in the wilderness. This is a whole clan saving a human town from red lyrium, then refusing to go because they wanted to protect the city elves, and finally settling down for good.

I'm not criticizing their decision; on the contrary, I find it epic. But I'm pretty sure many Dalish would be shocked, and not in a good way. The main problem I see is not the "Let's help the city elves" part (ok, there might be jerks like the Virnehn), but the "Let's live with shemlen" part. That throws a wrench in the whole "elven nation" goal, and it's the complete opposite of the original Dales.

I'd like to know how some of the Dalish feel about Wycome post-Clan Lavellan, and about the elven Inquisitor as well.

With Skyhold under an elven Inquisitor, there's also a second settlement with Dalish elves co-existing with Andrastian humans. I suppose that, with the departure of the Inquisitor's ally (like the mages leaving to found the College of the Enchanters), some of the Dalish could establish themselves there, and perhaps even extend from the Frostback Mountains to the surrounding area in the Dales, since Kirby once said (in "The Dales today" thread) most of the human settlements are on the coast.

[phaonica]

I must have lucked out and managed to do this mission exactly right. It's kind of a shame that this clearly very involved mission that has grave and personal consequences is played out entirely via text and is no more interactive than that.

[Mistic]

I'd like to know how some of the Dalish feel about Wycome post-Clan Lavellan, and about the elven Inquisitor as well.

With Skyhold under an elven Inquisitor, there's also a second settlement with Dalish elves co-existing with Andrastian humans. I suppose that, with the departure of the Inquisitor's ally (like the mages leaving to found the College of the Enchanters), some of the Dalish could establish themselves there, and perhaps even extend from the Frostback Mountains to the surrounding area in the Dales, since Kirby once said (in "The Dales today" thread) most of the human settlements are on the coast.

 

Sadly, I think that we won't know more about them in upcoming games. After all, they're just a clan from an Inquisitor origin and they can be dead depending on your choices. Probably they won't mention Wycome again. Like Adaar's mercenary company, I guess (the Trevelyans and the Carta will go on, too important). Still better than a retcon, I suppose.

 

Also, Skyhold can't be compared to that. Dalish in Skyhold seem to be like Dalish in the Wardens: scouts, warriors, helpers, but not a whole clan settling down.

[Shinobu]

Have just re-rolled a character, so have literally just done this mission!

 

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I chose Cullen, and the mission went something along the lines of 'A few Inquisition soldiers are killed, along with a few Lavellan clan members, but before more casualties occur the clan leader realises that the soldiers mean no harm, and they are able to pass on the letter that states the Lavellan Inquisitor joined the Inquisition by choice

 

So there are a few clan members left in that instance. Sorry for the long-winded explanation though! 

 

I think you're referring to the first mission in the chain: contacting Clan Lavellan. There are several more missions (possibly 4?), and it's a bit of a minefield. Sometimes Cullen is the correct choice and sometimes... not. You might want to set that mission cooking right before you quit playing for the day so that if it doesn't work out you haven't been doing quests that you will have to redo if you want to back up and choose a different advisor.

 

Unfortunately, it's not always as easy as "just reading the description," as I specifically chose not to use Leli for the second to last mission because Cullen's card said her idea would likely get the clan wiped out. Turns out he was wrong and the opposite was true. Oops. I reloaded, because it just would have been too immersion breaking that the Inquisitor and Cullen would be lovers and yet never speak about how their bad decisions got her clan wiped off the face of Thedas.

[Shinobu]

War Table Guide - I've been using this since I started my second play through because apparently, there are several war table chains that don't reach the end if you don't select the right advisors.

 

It would have been nice if the war table reports actually hint at which advisor to send, but most of them don't do that. I think the one time where the report hinted at who not to send in this chain is with the Investigate "Duke Antoine of Wycome" mission where the report vaguely mentions that sending another spy is too suspicious and risky.

 

Thanks for this! Looking at the breakdown I think part of the confusion here is that there are two different mission paths that end with the same final mission. So trying to avoid spoilers by just stating "I chose advisor X for mission 3 and it turned out ok" doesn't actually help unless we know which mission path the person was on.

[BubbleDncr]

Hmm...nothing on the War Table Guide sounds familiar, but I also don't remember reading them getting killed. Sure wish there was a codex or something somewhere to see what happened. 

 

Maybe it'll show up in the Keep wen they finally update it to show DA:I choices? if not...I'm just gonna say my clan's alive, since there's no record of them dying and I don't remember it. 

[Baboontje]

Ok I just looked it up and there are two paths to go about it but the last mission is always the same one.

 

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For the "Protect Clan Lavellan" mission you can send either Cullen, which opens up the mission "Break Venatori Hold on Wycome" or Leliana for the "Investigate Duke Antoine of Wycome" mission. If you've picked Cullen and received the Venatori misson, you have to pick Leliana for that one. For the Duke mission you should pick Josephine. The next missions will be "Restore Order in Wycome" or "Stop Purge of Wycome's Elves". Both of them require you to pick Leliana. As for the last mission, "Protect Clan Lavellan and Wycome", Cullen is the one to save the day.

 

So in short, either pick Cullen->Leliana->Leliana->Cullen or Leliana->Josephine->Leliana->Cullen and Clan Lavellan will live.

[Harbinger of Hope]

Sorry for the slight necro but yeah, this Op bothered me too.

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"Okay, well, I don't want to put my clan in harms way so Cullen, protect my Clan."

"You got it Inquistior!"

8 hours later

"Yo, sorry but we ended up killing all the royalty which set fire to the city killing the civilians. Oh and your whole clan died somehow too. Soz."

"WTF?"

[The Ascendant]

Ok I just looked it up and there are two paths to go about it but the last mission is always the same one.

 

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For the "Protect Clan Lavellan" mission you can send either Cullen, which opens up the mission "Break Venatori Hold on Wycome" or Leliana for the "Investigate Duke Antoine of Wycome" mission. If you've picked Cullen and received the Venatori misson, you have to pick Leliana for that one. For the Duke mission you should pick Josephine. The next missions will be "Restore Order in Wycome" or "Stop Purge of Wycome's Elves". Both of them require you to pick Leliana. As for the last mission, "Protect Clan Lavellan and Wycome", Cullen is the one to save the day.

 

So in short, either pick Cullen->Leliana->Leliana->Cullen or Leliana->Josephine->Leliana->Cullen and Clan Lavellan will live.

Thank you very much was wondering how to do that.

[Icy Magebane]

Clan Lavellan can have a happy ending.

 

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It takes a series of war table missions. My Inquisitor chose to have Cullen fight alongside Clan Lavellan when the initial attacks started, then had Leliana sneak the Dalish into Wycome after discovering that the people were under the effects of red lyrium to help the people, and finally had Cullen defend the city because the nobles started incite violence against the Dalish among the other Marcher cities while the non-nobles of Wycome saw Clan Lavellan as heroes, leading to Keeper Istimaethoriel becoming a leader of the city among a council of others, which will include an elven member of the Alienage.

Somehow I stumbled into this outcome by accident and never realized how tricky it was to keep Clan Lavellan alive until reading this thread.  I'll be using this as a guide in the future to make sure things work out.

[KillTheLastRomantic]

Perhaps to allow the player to define their own backstory and relationships with the members of the clan, to provide for greater roleplay with the elven Inquisitor.

 

Well that's what dialogue options are for. A good writer should be able to manage to allow for such interactions while maintaining flexibility for the player. I didn't feel restricted by my interactions in the Dalish origin in DA:O. In fact it really helped fuel my roleplay as to what the Warden's life was like among the Dalish, culturally speaking. As long as they're not like 'HERE ARE YOUR PARENTS AND OH LOOK IT'S YOUR CHILDHOOD SWEETHEART J-BOB. YOU LOVE HIM.' A more friendly approach from the Keeper, an opportunity to get a Dalish inquisitor without having to gain Dalish approval (but obviously you can still do the quests), a few NPC's acknowledging you with dialogues for the PC dictating the nature of your prior relationship and some reactions to all that's happened since the start of the game... Just leave things like parents and siblings ambiguous. Maybe they're elsewhere, if you want them to be alive. I mean, there's hardly a whole clan there, anyway. It's up to the writers to sort stuff like that out naturally.

 

 

And to the comment about it being unbalanced/unfair for there to be extra content for Dalish Inquisitors there, I'm kind of working off the assumption that there will be more than one game with the Inquisitor as the PC. So have other background NPC's for the different races come in in future content as feels natural. Plus I'm not really a fan of 'don't put in x content because y players will feel slighted.' That leads to compromise that degrades story and choice. I don't play as a dwarf, but if there's a Dwarven related DLC or something that features characters that the dwarven Inquisitor can acknowledge and have extra flavour dialogue with, well, that's cool. I'll youtube it. It encourages replayability. I will never play as a female elf and do the Solas romance, but it adds to his character and I'm glad that it's there.

[flabbadence]

Hey, does anyone have any screenshots of Investigate Duke Antoine of Wycome (mission you get if you send Leliana in Protect Clan Lavellan)? Both the letter at the start of the mission and the report after? If you do, could you upload them here (they still match the topic after all) or PM them to me? I'll be eternally grateful. I can't find my saves of it, and I need them for a fic I want to write. 

[ctd757]

I was hurt when I lost my clan. I sent Josie to tell my clan I'm ok. Then when I had to protect them I sent Josie and they died found out later I should've sent Cullen. So when I replay with my other elf I'll keep my clan