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Gigantic plot hole bothering me, please - I need to know if I missed something.


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Corto81

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The interior of Skyhold is shielded from the elements by its high walls, so that would effect it by having the interior be warmer. Add to that the stone absorbing the sun's heat, and it isn't surprising the temperature would be quite different inside Skyhold compared to the area around it. 

 

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Okay, if it's magical, fine.

The high walls with no roof don't mean squat though.

If it's snow outside, it'll be snow in the courtyard, AND the same temperature.



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On the topic of Darkspawn, has anyone heard or seen anything about the Architect?

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Spoiler for up to obtaining Skyhold. Safe to read if you have gotten to skyhold.

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the orb is the only plot hole that you listed (theirs some glaring others in that mission however)

 

your squad is with you right up until corphy shows up and kicks your arse the cut scene starts with you telling you people to "move now" you would have got out of dodge with them but the arch demon (which cole told everyone was an arch demon) cuts off your escape.


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Okay, if it's magical, fine.

The high walls with no roof don't mean squat though.

If it's snow outside, it'll be snow in the courtyard, AND the same temperature.

 

Urm, this new thing called a shovel and a bunch of soldiers and/or workers? Combined with magical site explaination a la Morrigan?

 

Also, of all the strange things in the game you concern yourself with snow on the ground? That is pretty wizard!



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the orb is the only plot hole that you listed (theirs some glaring others in that mission however)

 

your squad is with you right up until corphy shows up and kicks your arse the cut scene starts with you telling you people to "move now" you would have got out of dodge with them but the arch demon (which cole told everyone was an arch demon) cuts off your escape.

The orb is not a plothole as it's confirmed later in the game. There is no plotholes in the OP.



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Yeah, Solas knowing about the orb isn't a plot hole. Why don't you wait to finish the game first?


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If you beat the game you learn the truth:

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It's close enough to an archdemon but not quite. Archdemons are Old Gods (which were a kind of dragon, probably special ones) that are corrupted by the Taint directly. Corypheus' dragon is a high dragon infused with and power boosted by red lyrium like the red templars are. And you learn from a quest with Varric that red lyrium has the Taint



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Solas has a good reason to know about the orb.

Everyone just assumes the dragon is an Archdemon.

Varric knows about Corypheus (and presumably told Cassandra about it at some point).



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Generally speaking, the story writing/momentum in Dragon Age: Inquisition is of poor quality compared to Dragon Age: Origins because the "frostbite engine" took up far to much resources/focus/time. While the "intentions/ideas" behind Dragon Age: Inquisition is fantastic, it never "rise" above the standards of an "expansion pack" on it's own. As a side-note: Dragon Age 2 was actually developed from the start as an "expansion pack" for Dragon Age: Origins.

 

Dragon Age: Origins did run on the "Eclipse Engine" and Dragon Age 2 on the "Lycium Engine", while lot of bad things can be said about the "character designs" in Dragon Age 2 and lack of fluff features found in Dragin Age: Origins the "Lycium Engine" did a really good job, and here we have the core of the problem:

 

Dragon Age: Inquisition is using the "frostbite engine" that has been butchered into something it's not meant to do, and it really shows. For the sake of discussion; - If BioWare had tweaked the "Lycium Engine" and put all content/resources/time there we would have had a "true" successor to Dragon Age: Origins that most players would have had a "connection with", but as of now jumping into a First person shooter/car driving engine was a terrible bad call!

 

To re-invent a "working concept" is a dangerous thing, and how Electronic Art's could allow BioWare to mess with their best IP like this is for me a riddle since each years FIFA only has some new logos/text and still sell good...

 

Really, if BioWare and Electronic Arts (with respect said) had swallowed their "inflated pride" and contacted Bethesda Softworks and told them about Dragon Age: Inquisition and if they could get a license to use Bethesda's own "Creation Engine" we would have had a fantastic game. Skyrim (running on the Creation Engine) with player-made mods has support for serveral companions and amazing features. So I am not the least exaggerating when I say: Bethesda's "Creation Engine" can do anything Frostbite does right now much better excluding multiplayer.

 

But oh no, it had to be Frostbite, and here we are just like with Dragon Age 2, a lackluster story that somehow fails to play out as "intended". The best thing that could happen with Dragon Age: Inquisition is that somehow a dedicated player-base convert it all to a mod for Dragon Age: Origins or Skyrim.

 

Regarding the multiplayer in Dragon Age: Inquisition: yes, it all started out with THAT in mind, and the developers should have staid with that focus instead of dragging in the single-player campaign/story into the mix.

 

While the PR department did a really good job in sending out copies for "early reviews", everything got over-hyped just like a glass of water in a dry desert, and "design flaws" (aka design-compromises) with a "lackluster story" more or less (as usual) was ignored by the major reviewers. While most people acknowledge that "dual cores" are in the twilight years by now, it was a strike under the belt to "code in" a software non-start for the owners even if the minimum restrictions is listed as quad-core. There is lots of talk in more "dark forums" that the "Denuvo DRM" demands so much resources on PC so THAT is the main reason why dual-cores can't play the game. But in truth, of all things that is epic fail with Dragon Age: Inquisition, the Denuvo DRM was a huge hit. The entire "PC" piracy scene is literally on the knees, and following the development on that front has never been more interesting than now.

 

To finish it all off let me just say this: Frostbite is a fiasco and the "Lycium Engine" or Bethesda's "Creation Engine" had done much more justice to Dragon Age: Inquisition.

Dude, I don't think I have ever seen more snobbery in a single post. You sir, seem to think that our much-beloved past-time of gaming revolves around a fantastic story with fantastic, perfect interaction that will never be muddled with the corruption of money having any say-so. Let me first say that I wish things were so. It would be a wonderful addition that would be unrivaled in the gaming world, but here's a hard fact. IT DOES. For some perplexing reason, you're going on and on about how this wasn't right and that wasn't right and you haven't said one positive thing about the game. Personally, this game has a level of engagement that I never had with Skyrim. Yes, we all love the user mods that Skyrim offers and we go back and play it over and over when we find a good mod, but how long do we play it? What profound interest do we find in it? I played Skyrim seriously for 2 months, after that I added mod after mod trying to find some new interest not previously held. This isn't Skyrim dude, EA doesn't do user modable source anymore. I don't like that fact but it is what it is. That said, this game is absolutely fantastic. The game world is huge, the effects are good, the NPC interaction is top-notch, and the store is equally engaging. In addition, they've done quite well with the natural feeling of conversation with NPC's. There are expressions we haven't seen before in games, body language added to this as well and stressed points to be made in some conversations. i find this part of the game quite engaging and fulfilling. To me, you seem like the type of person who hangs on every nuance they don't like and refuses to give any main-stream title a chance before it gets started. I don't respond to most posts, but I'm so tired of seeing the usual I-know-better dialog that I couldn't hold my tongue. Why not try and see the best in things before forcing the worst? Perhaps that's why EA/Bioware banned you, because you can't see anything further than the snob in the front of your mind. I'm certainly enjoying the game, quit over-analysing and have fun. After all, that's what this industry is about.


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I was under the impression that it wasn't an archdemon but a dragon fully succumbed to the blight. (according to research just about all dragons have the blight but are very resistant to it.) They assume it's an archdemon because thats frankly what it looks like and it's the closest thing to it that the people of thedas have seen.



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So essentially the red lyrium dragon is just a high dragon version of a dragon thrall.



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So essentially the red lyrium dragon is just a high dragon version of a dragon thrall.

 

Yup, the disturbing implication is that there will most likely be a lot more of these popping up eventually.



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Spoiler for up to obtaining Skyhold. Safe to read if you have gotten to skyhold.

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Lol. You need to finish the game, dear.



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I'm going to have to disagree with everyone calling this dragon an Archdemon. It's a regular high-dragon that's been corrupted by red lyrium. Archdemons are Old Gods that have been corrupted by the Blight directly and can control the Darkspawn. The only antagonist pulling the strings was Corypheus. The only Darkspawn horde that gets fought during the game is on the war table and even then it was caused by a Lord digging too far into the deep roads and not some commanded army.


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2) It is an Archdemon. It is a high dragon corrupted by the Taint, thus fits the qualifications of being called an Archdemon. Whether it is an Old God or not I can't say. But since there isn't a Blight happening, it being one of the two remaining Old Gods is unlikely. So it is either a zombie of one of the five dead Old Gods or just a regular high dragon that was corrupted by the Taint. 

 

 

 

If it is indeed an Archdemon, we got a bigger plot hole than anything else in the game.

We spent an eternity in DA:O learning how to kill an archdemon, and it requires a Grey Warden.

Which you are NOT in DA:I.

 

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So, hopefully, it ISN'T an archdemon.



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IIRC If you research it they straight out say in a cutscene that it isn''t an archdemon.



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I'm going to have to disagree with everyone calling this dragon an Archdemon. It's a regular high-dragon that's been corrupted by red lyrium. Archdemons are Old Gods that have been corrupted by the Blight directly and can control the Darkspawn. The only antagonist pulling the strings was Corypheus. The only Darkspawn horde that gets fought during the game is on the war table and even then it was caused by a Lord digging too far into the deep roads and not some commanded army.

 

Exactly, it's a regular dragon that's been corrupted by red lyrium (which itself is blight-infused) and mutated into a shoddy knockoff of the Archdemon by Corypheus. It's a bit like making a fan replica of the De Lorean from Back to the Future, it's awesome to look at and is cool to own, but it's never going to be an actual time machine.

 

The same thing is true of this High Dragon, it's not the same thing as a regular Archdemon by any stretch of the imagination, especially since once you kill it, it's dead and gone, whereas the Archdemons are capable of soul-surfing, much like Corypheus himself.

 

The whole point of the dragon is to both show his ego that he considers his former "Gods" as little more than pets and to fool people into thinking it's an Archdemon, thus inciting terror and putting people on edge. And since he was also working to undermine the Grey Wardens, making them think another Archdemon had risen just ten years after the last one would be a good way to go about it.


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IIRC If you research it they straight out say in a cutscene that it isn''t an archdemon.

 

This. It's basically a high-dragon thrall juiced up on red lyrium.

 

Varric already killed Cory once with Hawke.

 

As for the orb, Solus knows what it is, and what it can do. His involvement with the orb is explained in the epilogue. 



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Doesn't Solas also handwave his knowledge of the Orb to the Inquisitor as being something he saw in dreams from ancient Elvhenan, much like how he knows about the Elven Wards to shore up the Veil to prevent more Rifts forming?

 

It's not really a plothole as it is more of a plotpoint, since the real explanation is given in the epilogue.


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Spoiler for up to obtaining Skyhold. Safe to read if you have gotten to skyhold.

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I'm repeating a lot of what others have already said, but basically:
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Well, one theme about the game is whatever you believed to be true, is just plain wrong.

 

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Please dont make frivolous comarisons or refer to China as a regime. Neither is accurate and both are annoying.