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[Fidite Nemini]

What? DAI is a solid game. Skyrim fills with more bugs than a forest, and people love that game. For a large open world like DAI, there bounds to be bugs. Most high profile games, especially games with large environment, there bounds to be glitches. The game is exactly what I expected.

 

If you have a high tolerance for stuff like this, fine for you.

 

 

But I do still expect for games to be working when they are officially released. Constant game crashes on systems that fullfill/surpass the recommended system requirements is not my definition of a working game. I paid money for it and I expect things to work.

 

If you buy a house, you don't look at a couple rooms with cracks in the walls and think "well, it's a big, multimillion bucks villa, it's okay if it got cracks in a couple walls", or do you?

 

 

If I shell out money for something, it's supposed to work. Whether I like the furniture or painting is subjective, but when it's crashing down on me, it is an objectively faulty product. Now the good thing with software products is they can patch it. That is so far the only reason I haven't refunded DAI. I know I want to play the game when it's working, now the ball is in BioWare's court to get it working.

[CasbynessPC]

Do you want the fourth game to be made and with big budget instead of DA2 budget?

 

Definitely a low budget. If you take away the ability of a dev team to create the highest quality graphics and physics effects, then (a) you take away the pressure to focus on such things at the expense of others, and ( they have to focus on more important aspects like story, gameplay and world design. 

 

Imagine if Mass Effect 4 simply used the code of Mass Effect 2, and then built a huge amount of new content on top of it, without having to worry at all about the game "needing" to look better, or for the particle effects or ragdoll physics to be any better?

 

Low budget bottle episodes almost always end up being the most critically acclaimed episodes of a tv series. This is because the big egos walk away when no one is offering free holidays in Hawaii or private limosine services to the industry conventions, leaving the way clear for the talented, driven and younger colleagues to take the helm and create something visionary that is actually worthwhile.

[The Loyal Nub]

Buy it and play it on PC. Controls will be gotten used to and likely optimized in a soon to come patch. This game gets way too much negativity here from the pc fans. If you want a better view as to how well this game is doing with a wider pc crowd than check Reddit's comments section. It's like going from doom and gloom here to people who have no emotional stake in this series and are therefore far more balanced in their appraisal of this game than people here or the anti-BioWare crowd that's trolling Metacritic. I'd take everything written here with a grain of salt and check other gaming forums. 

[EvilChani]

Spoiler

The devs have said the Warden is not in the game. There's a war table mission later on to contact them. Some players have said there is a point in the game where you are saved by a masked/hooded Warden that corresponds to the gender and race of an imported Warden, with Blackwall fanboying out over them, but I've seen no verification of that.

 

The Solas romance does not end happily. Neither I believe does Blackwall's. Cassandra's and Dorian's end well. Unknown about the rest.

 

If Hawke romanced Anders and Anders survived they're still together. If Hawke didn't romance Anders and he's still alive he helped out the rebel mages for a time before being forced to move on because of mages who blamed him for starting the war. There's also speculation about Sebastian, who is back in Starkhaven. The speculation is that if Anders is alive Sebastian conquers Kirkwall, and if Anders is dead he goes to Kirkwall to keep the peace and rebuild.

 

Okay, if the Warden shows up like that, it sounds extremely cool. I like the idea of Blackwall fanboying, lol.

 

As for the romances, that sucks. Unless you get a happy romance with Iron Bull, it appears straight females have, once again, gotten screwed over by game devs. I assume their "choice" for a romance for straight females is Cullen, who I have loathed since DA:O . This crap is getting old. Unless you're a lesbian or a guy, you don't get dick for romances...literally. Instead, you get stuck with wankerless ****** like Kaidan or whiney psychos like Cullen. Blech. /end rant

 

That's cool about Anders and Sebastian. I really wish we had had the option to kill both Sebastian *and* Anders at the end of DA:2. "Oh, so you want to start a war with Kirkwall if I don't do what you want, Sebatian? i don't think so..." *throws a knife and plants it in his throat*

[EvilChani]

Yikes. Some friend.

I got revenge, at least. I punched him in the solar plexus in the theater, while I was crying. He stopped laughing and joined me. 

[EvilChani]

If you have a high tolerance for stuff like this, fine for you.

 

 

But I do still expect for games to be working when they are officially released. Constant game crashes on systems that fullfill/surpass the recommended system requirements is not my definition of a working game. I paid money for it and I expect things to work.

 

If you buy a house, you don't look at a couple rooms with cracks in the walls and think "well, it's a big, multimillion bucks villa, it's okay if it got cracks in a couple walls", or do you?

 

 

If I shell out money for something, it's supposed to work. Whether I like the furniture or painting is subjective, but when it's crashing down on me, it is an objectively faulty product. Now the good thing with software products is they can patch it. That is so far the only reason I haven't refunded DAI. I know I want to play the game when it's working, now the ball is in BioWare's court to get it working.

 

I agree that it sucks when a brand new game keeps crashing, but I can live with that, to an extent. After all, one of my favorite games  of all time is Fallout: New Vegas, and it still crashes randomly. I can even live with crappy controls. What i can't live with is a crap story, a forced "artistic" ending (I'm looking at you, ME3), and misery. There's enough misery in real life, I don't need it in my games. When I get through with a game, I want to feel good or, at the very least, satisfied. I'm not saying I want things taken away from other people - if others want depressing endings and sadness, let them have that option - but give me the option for satisfaction, happiness, and revenge.

 

At this point, I want the game and there are only two things making me hesitate:

 

1.  Does the Iron Bull romance have a happy ending? Since two of the other romances are apparently hosed, Iron Bull is it. I refuse to romance Sullen Cullen. Prig.

 

2.  The Warden showing up is cool and I love it, but apparently Alistair shows up as well. Is there *any* indication that he's in touch with the Warden? Or, from a horrible standpoint, is there any hints that he has "moved on" and forgotten her? In other words, do they screw your DA:O romance if you had your Warden marry Alistair?

[M-Taylor]

I agree that it sucks when a brand new game keeps crashing, but I can live with that, to an extent. After all, one of my favorite games  of all time is Fallout: New Vegas, and it still crashes randomly. I can even live with crappy controls. What i can't live with is a crap story, a forced "artistic" ending (I'm looking at you, ME3), and misery. There's enough misery in real life, I don't need it in my games. When I get through with a game, I want to feel good or, at the very least, satisfied. I'm not saying I want things taken away from other people - if others want depressing endings and sadness, let them have that option - but give me the option for satisfaction, happiness, and revenge.

 

At this point, I want the game and there are only two things making me hesitate:

 

1.  Does the Iron Bull romance have a happy ending? Since two of the other romances are apparently hosed, Iron Bull is it. I refuse to romance Sullen Cullen. Prig.

 

2.  The Warden showing up is cool and I love it, but apparently Alistair shows up as well. Is there *any* indication that he's in touch with the Warden? Or, from a horrible standpoint, is there any hints that he has "moved on" and forgotten her? In other words, do they screw your DA:O romance if you had your Warden marry Alistair?

 

I haven't actually played the game yet (since, you know, I'm from England... sigh), but I have spent legit every moment of my free time since it was released in America reading spoilers, so I'll offer what little help I can;

 

1) I'm not sure, but I feel like it should be mentioned Blackwall's sad ending can be avoided. What everyone is talking about is the result of directed choice, so it's not *forced* sadness, like say Solas. Solas, from what I've seen/read/watched etc, is a sad ending no matter what, but I will again say that it's sad for a reason! It's satisfyingly sad. I don't mind, even enjoy satisfyingly sad endings if they have a reason (say, Morrigan), so I don't think straight females have been conned over at all.

 

2) both Leliana and Morrigan talk about romanced Wardens with fondness, so although I haven't seen anything about Alistair, I doubt he'll break the trend. All of them so far have also said the where abouts of the Warden; they are not missing, they are researching how to end the Calling. Which I think is actually rather shitty, I mean, one of my Wardens is the Queen of Fereldan to a unhardened Alistair and she's the only royal advisor. ****** is basically running that country, as if she'd leave it to do research when she has Avernus on the case. D:

[EvilChani]

I haven't actually played the game yet (since, you know, I'm from England... sigh), but I have spent legit every moment of my free time since it was released in America reading spoilers, so I'll offer what little help I can;

 

1) I'm not sure, but I feel like it should be mentioned Blackwall's sad ending can be avoided. What everyone is talking about is the result of directed choice, so it's not *forced* sadness, like say Solas. Solas, from what I've seen/read/watched etc, is a sad ending no matter what, but I will again say that it's sad for a reason! It's satisfyingly sad. I don't mind, even enjoy satisfyingly sad endings if they have a reason (say, Morrigan), so I don't think straight females have been conned over at all.

 

2) both Leliana and Morrigan talk about romanced Wardens with fondness, so although I haven't seen anything about Alistair, I doubt he'll break the trend. All of them so far have also said the where abouts of the Warden; they are not missing, they are researching how to end the Calling. Which I think is actually rather shitty, I mean, one of my Wardens is the Queen of Fereldan to a unhardened Alistair and she's the only royal advisor. ****** is basically running that country, as if she'd leave it to do research when she has Avernus on the case. D:

 

Thank you! I can live with the sad Solas romance...I wasn't that interested in him, anyway, lol. For Blackwall, I'm still trying to find out more. He seems too emo for me, though. It's Iron Bull that I'm really curious about. I just watched the most hilarious clip from the Iron Bull romance and it just made me want things to work out with him even more. Especially since he's really the only guy my straight female Inquisitors have left to romance once you take away the emo Blackwall and Cullen.

 

I hope you're right about female Warden/Alistair. I'd hate it if they just indiscriminately broke them up, and sadly I wouldn't put it past BioWare. They seem to like giving guys (and lesbians) the good, solid romances that last wihle handing the straigh females nothing but a huge dose of heartache right before crapping all over them!

 

I can live with my female Wardens leaving Alistair to find a way to stop the calling, though. I always hardened Alistair (I wanted to beat him up when he wasn't hardened), so he can handle the kingdom while she finds a way to save them from certain death. And she'd totally go find Avernus and make him step up his game. No way will she risk losing Alistair. Of course, she'd have also found a way to give him an heir, dammit (I wrote a funny fanfic where she got mages to help her, got Flemeth to help her and ended up pregnant with quads...she was quite...unpleasant...while pregnant, lol).

[Vox Draco]

Thank you! I can live with the sad Solas romance...I wasn't that interested in him, anyway, lol. For Blackwall, I'm still trying to find out more. He seems too emo for me, though. It's Iron Bull that I'm really curious about. I just watched the most hilarious clip from the Iron Bull romance and it just made me want things to work out with him even more. Especially since he's really the only guy my straight female Inquisitors have left to romance once you take away the emo Blackwall and Cullen.

 

I hope you're right about female Warden/Alistair. I'd hate it if they just indiscriminately broke them up, and sadly I wouldn't put it past BioWare. They seem to like giving guys (and lesbians) the good, solid romances that last wihle handing the straigh females nothing but a huge dose of heartache right before crapping all over them!

 

I can live with my female Wardens leaving Alistair to find a way to stop the calling, though. I always hardened Alistair (I wanted to beat him up when he wasn't hardened), so he can handle the kingdom while she finds a way to save them from certain death. And she'd totally go find Avernus and make him step up his game. No way will she risk losing Alistair. Of course, she'd have also found a way to give him an heir, dammit (I wrote a funny fanfic where she got mages to help her, got Flemeth to help her and ended up pregnant with quads...she was quite...unpleasant...while pregnant, lol).

 

You earned yourself a like. Actually more than one:

 

1. Yes, ME3 and its ending ... is AARRRGGGHHHH *musical interlude* ahem, its basically a pile of shiat. Yes. And nothing ever redeemed it, and who thinks otherwise is wrong, because, sad but true, I am right.

 

2. My female Cousland Warden, Queen of Ferelden along a hardened Alistair. And exactly, my headcanon is all about her trying her best to end the shitty Warden-Curse that was forced upon her by annoying Duncan the Murderer of innocent Fathers. And it would be cool if DAI actually cofirms something like this, or at least does not contradict anything about that!

 

3. Because I am also strongly against this whole "Inquisitor is dead", or has to sacrifice her to save the world - never liked that stuff. I am proud to say: I want rainbows and unicorns! (well, not exactly, but definatly not a grim dark "adult" ending that is soooooo "thought-provoking", ambigous, "deep" and "grown-up" ...and if the main villain turns out to be a kid then ... *takes deep breath* ... stay cool Vox, all is fine...all is fine

[Bluejay734]

Since story seems to be your main focus, buying is probably a good idea. There are serious issues with the game like bugs, terrible UI, pathetic tactics / strategy implementation, etc... But if you are the kind of gamer that places story over mechanics those won't be as big of a problem. Put the game on the easiest setting and enjoy the beautiful world, fantastic voice acting, and pretty good (for a RPG) story line.

 

If mechanics are important to you, wait until the game drops to $19.99 and play one of the other 50 games on your Steam account that you haven't started yet.

 

I place a large emphasis on the tactics / strategy elements of RPG's, so this game is unfortunately a massive disappointment to me.

[EvilChani]

You earned yourself a like. Actually more than one:

 

1. Yes, ME3 and its ending ... is AARRRGGGHHHH *musical interlude* ahem, its basically a pile of shiat. Yes. And nothing ever redeemed it, and who thinks otherwise is wrong, because, sad but true, I am right.

 

2. My female Cousland Warden, Queen of Ferelden along a hardened Alistair. And exactly, my headcanon is all about her trying her best to end the shitty Warden-Curse that was forced upon her by annoying Duncan the Murderer of innocent Fathers. And it would be cool if DAI actually cofirms something like this, or at least does not contradict anything about that!

 

3. Because I am also strongly against this whole "Inquisitor is dead", or has to sacrifice her to save the world - never liked that stuff. I am proud to say: I want rainbows and unicorns! (well, not exactly, but definatly not a grim dark "adult" ending that is soooooo "thought-provoking", ambigous, "deep" and "grown-up" ...and if the main villain turns out to be a kid then ... *takes deep breath* ... stay cool Vox, all is fine...all is fine

Thanks for the like!

 

I'm right there with you on all that you said. ME3 irked me so badly that I haven't touched ME1 or ME2 since it was released. I never thought a game could ruin an entire series for me, but it succeeded. And you're right, what they did failed to redeem the game. At some point, I may play it on PC, because someone wrote a "happy ending" for it, and someone else wrote it so that even Thane gets to live in the end. Unfortunately, it failed to get rid of that annoying little god brat, which was the stupidest, lamest piece of **** I've ever seen in any form of entertainment.

 

Like you, I want rainbows and unicorns, or close to it. At the very least, I want a game that doesn't ruin every other game in the series for me, depress me to the point where I want to ram a firepoker through my head to forget I ever touched it, and where the firgging straight females don't get crapped on repeatedly should they choose a romance other than the one that the devs have deemed acceptable (or worse, "canon"...don't give me game with choices then tell me what was supposed to happen and screw me over because I had a different vision, that pisses me off).

[The Jackal]

It's simple. Yes, You should buy. The graphics are amazing. At the very least your promised to have at least thirty hours of gameplay, some corporations reported up to 90 hours. That's just on one play through. This game is about your choices, and how it impacts the world around you. I think the game is a master piece. Maybe even better then Orgins.

 

No game in recent memory, have I played for this long, while still being interested in it. Some people will make a big fuss over the controls for the PC. They work fine for me. I honestly don't know what everyone has complaints about. I'm more focused on the story of an RPG, in that sense it is excellent. They even buffed up the combat controls for those who like...combat, more then story.

 

It's a great game. Every time I view Yahoo News, their are articles from corporations about how good this game is. Yes, get the game.  If your a fan of dragon age. Then play the game.  

[ManleySteele]

Go ahead and buy.  I don't know if Bioware will patch the Controls and I don't care. If they really start bothering me, I guess I'll re-map some keys, but I normally don't. If what you want is entertainment for your entertainment dollar, go ahead and jump in the pool. This game is entertaining. That's all I ask of a game. Why? Because it's a game.  I do get aggravated for seconds at a time when some design decision doesn't go my way. Then I pull my big boy pants up and play on. If the game really bothers me, I normally just silently move on. There are so many choices for something to play, I can't get caught up with any bad games, if any actually exist. When something isn't my taste I just move along.

 

I guess the bottom line is you could be playing, right now.

 

Edit. BTW, if anything really gets on my nerves I'll just mod it out and go on like it was never there.

[EvilChani]

Go ahead and buy.  I don't know if Bioware will patch the Controls and I don't care. If they really start bothering me, I guess I'll re-map some keys, but I normally don't. If what you want is entertainment for your entertainment dollar, go ahead and jump in the pool. This game is entertaining. That's all I ask of a game. Why? Because it's a game.  I do get aggravated for seconds at a time when some design decision doesn't go my way. Then I pull my big boy pants up and play on. If the game really bothers me, I normally just silently move on. There are so many choices for something to play, I can't get caught up with any bad games, if any actually exist. When something isn't my taste I just move along.

 

I guess the bottom line is you could be playing, right now.

 

Edit. BTW, if anything really gets on my nerves I'll just mod it out and go on like it was never there.

 

I really do need to learn how to mod games, but I have little enough time to do "fun" things right now, unfortunately. As for the rest...

 

Yes, I get the whole "put on the big girl pants" opinion, but, personally, I don't want to be out $70 for something I don't (or won't) like. BioWare got money out of me for the pile of shiat that was ME3, but that won't happen again, which is why I want to make damn sure this game doesn't ruin the other two for me...at least I can still enjoy them if I never play this.

 

Plus, I think you're missing the point here. This is entertainment. The whole point of entertainment is that you enjoy it, not that you have to hold your nose and stomach whatever garbage is thrown at you because the game was "okay" except for a list of items that irked me and ruined the other two in the series for me. If I pay good money for a product, I expect to get my money's worth out of the product, not being left feeling like I'm attached to another object by an inclined plane, wrapped helically around an axis, which is exactly how I felt after spending money on ME3.

[elrofrost]

What? DAI is a solid game. Skyrim fills with more bugs than a forest, and people love that game. For a large open world like DAI, there bounds to be bugs. Most high profile games, especially games with large environment, there bounds to be glitches. The game is exactly what I expected.

This is not an open world game. Skyrim is. DAI is a game with lots of BIG maps. Open world/freedom means I can stand around and fish all day. In Skyrim you can (though it might be boring) this game you can not.

 

Now this doesn't mean this is a bad game. Personally it plays a lot more like a MMO than a RPG. Not to mention the horrible keyboard + mouse controls - anyone who hasn't bought the game who plans to play on a pc should wait. Anyone who is expecting a "modernized" version of DAO/DA2 will be sorely disappointed.

 

IMHO the DA RPG line is dead - okay maybe not dead - but VERY different.. Us RPG's (on PC) have one saving grace now.. Witcher 3 is right around the corner.

 

 

By the way, I have more issues with this game than I did with ME3. The only issue I had with ME3 was the ending. Which they sort of patched with the extended edition (months later) and of course, the Citadel DLC. Also the Happy Ending Mod does a lot, if you simply can't stand the standard ME3 ending.

 

[Jherock]

I am a spoiler ******, pure and simple. I read the last ten pages of a book before i ever read the prologue and find out who lives/dies before I ever see a movie, especially after a friend of mine conned me into going to see Gladiator and flat out lied to me about the ending just so he could see me cry.

 

I have yet to buy this game for several reasons, not the least of which was my...dismay...over ME3's endings. Long story short, ME3 ruined the entire trilogy for me, which sucks because ME1 and ME2 were my favoite games, and I ranked them higher than DA:O, which I also loved. Now I'm left with DA:O and DA2 (yes, i liked DA2 and it grew on me more and more on subsequent replays).

 

Not wanting a repeat of the ME debacle, I keep scouring the boards trying to find out what happens and if there are any moments that will ruin DA:O and DA2 for me. I have had little luck, so I will simply ask the questions most pertinent to my decisions to buy this or not:

 

1.  Does the Inquisitor die at the end? If so, is this merely a choice, like the Warden choosing to do so in DA:O, or do you get it rammed down your throat a'la ME3?

 

2.  Is there any indication as to what happened to the Warden? (i.e., any definitive "she's dead" crap will ruin my head canon)

 

3.  What is Alistair's status if he and the Warden married and ruled together? I imagine the whole 'the Warden disappeared' crap stands, but is his relationship with her mentioned at all?

 

4.  For Wardens that romanced Zevran...any mention of them at all? Do you get to see Zevran?

 

5.  Hawke...I know we see her (or him, as the case may be). What happens? I saw someone post a question about having an option to save Hawke, but what is the deal here? Is this just a cameo or does Hawke play a larger part?

 

6.  Inquisitor romances...happy endings or not? And are there any asinine plots with the romanced partner where he/she has some sort of fatal disease and you get teased with a cure only to have them die at the end?

 

And, finally:

 

7.  Is there anything blatant that happens in the game that recons what your Warden or Hawke have done and pisses all over your previous choices?

 

Thanks in advance to anyone who chooses to answer.

But it on console and find out. Stay away from PC.  Even if I were that far along, as I like to savor my gaming, I doubt I'd just answer all of those questions like that.  You loved Origins and Awakenings, you'll love this.  

[elrofrost]

Let me add something about the combat. On the PC, the only class I think can be played without pulling your hair out is ranged. Mage or Rogue with a bow. And rogues, man, BW gutted that class. It's not easy to do a decent backstab now. Since you have to follow the mob and hope it stops/or slows down. If there was a MMO, you could count on your teammates to stop the beastie, but this isn't. (I got a feeling it's going to be though. Real soon.).

 

I usually play warriors. But after trying it I went with Mage. Hoping that BW will fix the controls and add auto-target (or follow-target) or something to make the combat more fun in the future.But I doubt I'll be replaying this game. Sadly.

[Vox Draco]

This is not an open world game. Skyrim is. DAI is a game with lots of BIG maps. Open world/freedom means I can stand around and fish all day. In Skyrim you can (though it might be boring) this game you can not.

 

Now this doesn't mean this is a bad game. Personally it plays a lot more like a MMO than a RPG. Not to mention the horrible keyboard + mouse controls - anyone who hasn't bought the game who plans to play on a pc should wait. Anyone who is expecting a "modernized" version of DAO/DA2 will be sorely disappointed.

 

IMHO the DA RPG line is dead - okay maybe not dead - but VERY different.. Us RPG's (on PC) have one saving grace now.. Witcher 3 is right around the corner.

 

By the way, I have more issues with this game than I did with ME3. The only issue I had with ME3 was the ending. Which they sort of patched with the extended edition (months later) and of course, the Citadel DLC. Also the Happy Ending Mod does a lot, if you simply can't stand the standard ME3 ending.

 

Now I will surely buy Witcher 3 too, at the moment I even read the books to get more insight on Yennefer/Triss/GEralt/Ciri/Wild Hunt ... I get a bit tired of this being praised as the one and only future RPG saving the genre for all time. While DAI gets a lot of flak for things I don'T understand...

 

The UI and Combat-system of all Witchers were actually quite dreadful (and consolish), and though I love the games I never really played them as often as DAO or Skyrim. Don't know why, but ... once I went through them, that was mostly it for me. I want to know how the story goes on with Geralt, but I don't know if I will play Witcher 3 as exentsively as some other RPGs ... and there will be bugs, mind you. CD Red will deliver them ... ^^

 

On topic: In the end I'd say you simply have to risk it. The saving grace of DAI in comparison to ME3 is simply that Dragon Age is not a trilogy. We do not have a main-char we grew to love over the course of years like Shepard - which was why the abysmal ending hurt so many so much. Dragon Age is connected, but stand-alone. So the same kind of dissapointment or suffering you gained from ME3 surely won't happen here.

 

And I am glad they went this way, instead of bringing back our Warden (a fan-demand I never understood, I don't want a Dragon-Age-Shepard!), or having a connected storyline over three games or more! Because that was Mass Effect's undoing. Many believe its the last ten minutes. No, it starts right with ME2, and Bioware's fear of going all-in with the story. ME2 barely recognizes events from part one, puts too much back to status quo instead of really picking up the pace ... because they hated the idea of scaring a new audiences that never played ME1. And if you don't believe me: "ME3 is the perfect game to get into the ME-Franchise" was one of Bioware's/EA's arguments...that cannot work with a trilogy...and glady Dragon Age is no trilogy

[mindw0rk]

If you love tons of different stuff to do and dont mind that this stuff is mediocre and repetative - you probably should buy it.

If you seeking for epic RPG experience with amazing story and content - you probably should not.