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#26
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My Lavellan rejected the title, not just because he believes in his gods (and not the human Maker), but because he was also a genuinely humble person. He really didn't like the pomp, flair and titles that came with being Inquisitor and wasn't afraid to express feeling uncomfortable with people making him out to be anything more than a simple mortal elf (and a Dalish one at that).

 

He had no resentment of the Chantry or human religion though (in fact, he got along just fine with the likes of Mother Giselle, Cassandra and Leliana. Even counted them as friends). He believed that whatever faith works for them is just fine so long as they don't call him a prophet or religious icon. Needless to say he greatly appreciated Mother Giselle's open minded-ness towards the subject itself. He also saw that others (the Orlesian sister who was punched by Lord Seeker Lucius) were legitimately surprised by his responses and knows full well that the Herald titles were nothing more than a rumor.


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Mine accepted it. He more or less had th same opinions of faith as Cassandra, which is why he supported her for Divine.



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It's insulting, given the Andrastian history with the Dalish. Why would my Inquisitor want anything to do with representing a religion that has done nothing but hate and slaughter the groups that she holds dear?
 
You can make the argument that you do not represent the Chantry itself but considering that Andraste is the equivalent of their Jesus Christ....That's gonna be hard to shake.
 
I do not understand why Bioware so desperately wants me to embrace the Andrastians despite their history riddled with genocide both figurative and literal. Sticking a few exceptions to the rule in my face does not change a damned thing.
 
And I am still looking for a chance to tell them about themselves.


Really? Because the lore says the elves sacked Val Royeaux before the Exalted March. But I suppose we were supposed to take that as good natured ribbing right?

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My qunari just kind of let people think what they wanted to think. She, herself, never thought of herself as a Herald of Andraste though and she told her followers and advisors as much.



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I'm playing a female qunari mage who believes in the Maker, but is unsure if the woman in the Fade was Andraste.

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My human male Mage fully embraces and believes that he is somehow connected to Andreste. A shining female figure saved him from the fade and the breach explosion, and left him with the means to fix the world in both the power to close the rifts and the Inquisition taking him in.

So when he heard the title and what people were saying, he connected his experience with this and fully believes that Andraste blessed him. He even told Corypheous as much.

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Deny, deny, deny. At least for my canon play, my mage believes there is no Maker and doesn't like the Herald Card at all. My third play through with my female human mage will think she is the next coming of Andraste and expects everyone to bow down at her beauty and divine status.

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Really? Because the lore says the elves sacked Val Royeaux before the Exalted March. But I suppose we were supposed to take that as good natured ribbing right?

I'm pretty sure The Dales and Orlais were fighting an actual war before that. You're making it sound like nothing was up until the evil elves suddenly threw themselves at Val Royeaux, but it's just not that simple. 



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It's insulting, given the Andrastian history with the Dalish. Why would my Inquisitor want anything to do with representing a religion that has done nothing but hate and slaughter the groups that she holds dear?

You can make the argument that you do not represent the Chantry itself but considering that Andraste is the equivalent of their Jesus Christ....That's gonna be hard to shake.

I do not understand why Bioware so desperately wants me to embrace the Andrastians despite their history riddled with genocide both figurative and literal. Sticking a few exceptions to the rule in my face does not change a damned thing.

And I am still looking for a chance to tell them about themselves.


Back again with all this? Dude, let it go. The Chantry isn't the Christian faith. It had certain hierarchy aspects draw from Catholisism but that's where it ends.

Andraste is Jesus? In what sense? Jesus wasn't a person who rose up in rebellion and sacked town and cities and roughy down an empire. Taking all secular aspects of Jesus away, he was a religious leader who preached love, kindness, charity and understanding.

The only similarities are their principles. Equality and understanding. It's like saying Malcom X and Ghandi were the same people.

Similar causes? Sure. But that's where the similarities end.
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Back again with all this? Dude, let it go. The Chantry isn't the Christian faith. It had certain hierarchy aspects draw from Catholisism but that's where it ends.

Andraste is Jesus? In what sense? Jesus wasn't a person who rose up in rebellion and sacked town and cities and roughy down an empire. Taking all secular aspects of Jesus away, he was a religious leader who preached love, kindness, charity and understanding.

The only similarities are their principles. Equality and understanding. It's like saying Malcom X and Ghandi were the same people.

Similar causes? Sure. But that's where the similarities end.

 

Do not strawman me; it was a comparison of figures and it holds up.

 

Andraste is analogous to Christ because she is worshipped as a savior who more or less "saved the world", as the Andrastians see it.

 

And no, I am not going to "let it go", it's just my opinion after all. 



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I'm pretty sure The Dales and Orlais were fighting an actual war before that. You're making it sound like nothing was up until the evil elves suddenly threw themselves at Val Royeaux, but it's just not that simple. 

 

No, I'm just pointing out that the Exalted March didn't just attack the elves to get rid of shorties. The Elves weren't simply innocent.


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Back again with all this? Dude, let it go. The Chantry isn't the Christian faith. It had certain hierarchy aspects draw from Catholisism but that's where it ends.

Andraste is Jesus? In what sense? Jesus wasn't a person who rose up in rebellion and sacked town and cities and roughy down an empire. Taking all secular aspects of Jesus away, he was a religious leader who preached love, kindness, charity and understanding.

The only similarities are their principles. Equality and understanding. It's like saying Malcom X and Ghandi were the same people.

Similar causes? Sure. But that's where the similarities end.

She's basically mirror universe Jesus. Female instead of male. Married into divinity instead of being born to it. A warrior where Jesus was peaceful. Funnily enough, Andraste somewhat resembles what the Messiah was originally expected to be, a warrior and ruler leading a people to freedom. 


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I'm just a Dalish elf. I believe in the gods of my people. But with everything that's happening? Maybe there's more than just our gods.



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Having all the blinkered Andrastean lunatics wandering around Skyhold has certainly been grating for my Inquisitor. I don't mind the ones who simply address me as "Herald", no biggie. But the ones who just go on and on...and on...and on about being chosen, without ever having a response when the NPC gets the inevitable last word. Mother Giselle is the worst. She goes from being a relatively temperate and reasonable healer/priest, just a busybody judging all the "weirder" companions. After Dorian's quest I wanted to throw her over the parapets, but there isn't even a conversation option to chastise or reprimand her. So much for player agency.



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Until my mage Trevelyan got a chance to give a huge mage speech in front of the crowd she was sceptical and always said "I don't know/I can't beleive it myself/that's not possible". But after she chose the "I believe that they believe in me being the Herald" (reference to a line of a warden about Leliana's belief in her vision). So yeah, why not, she doesn't claim to be Andraste herself, the Herald is just fine.



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My mage Trevelyan came around to believing it. But he's a mage so he's open-minded as **** by virtue. Sera got all offended when I told her he believed in the Elvhen gods too. Kind of hard to deny that when Magequisitor had one whispering voices in his head. 


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My elf thinks the humans are all batshit insane for the idea and discredits it when necessary, though she does tone it down to 'I don't know' if she feels the situation needs more delicacy. 

Identical for my Dalish Inquisitor as well.

 

"Are you the Herald of Andraste?"

"Hell no!"

"But if we say you are, some people you haven't personally met will follow you and you can save the world."

"...oh. In that case, I'unno. Maybe?"



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My human rogue Inquisitor is having some trouble with it, knowing that professed saviours have a tendency to come to sticky, ironic ends. Look at Andraste herself. On a more personal level, the moment people started calling him "Herald of Andraste" was the moment he realized that he didn't, on a gut level, have any faith in the Maker despite years of purely theoretical religious teaching and long association with the Chantry.

 

Not his biggest problem by far, but it has triggered a minor change in his view of himself that he isn't in any position to explore, making his feelings about the title even more ambivalent. Also, he thinks it sounds incredibly stupid and tacky.

 

My Qunari mage, however, is just amused and perfectly willing to take advantage, not buying it one bit.



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My quizzy is bitter that humans must believe such a thing just to make following an elf acceptable.

 

She's not stomping her feet about it if asked she'll flat out say she's not Andraste's anything but she'll take the diplomatic response when the situation requires it.  



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My dwarf, being a surfacer after all, gave up on Orzammar and the rest of dwarven culture and decided to take up the Maker. Funny thing is no matter how much he tells people he is the Herald of Andraste, no one seems to believe him. 



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My Adaar's current view of the title is more or less "I am going to close that Breach. If the Maker exists and approves, he can shag down here and help me in person. Otherwise, he doesn't get any credit for getting it done."


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I accepted it tot he public but denied it behind closed doors. I liked that the companions acknowledged that I was a nonbeliver while at the same time giving me a chance to lie to strangers et al.



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I accepted from the beginning. I'm very andrastian so I was very happy with this option. I keep believing even after the Fade mission. I truly believe that I was send by the Maker and saved by Andraste  B)



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Oh. 

 

Acceptance of being Herald?

 

Here, I thought everyone assumed my name was Harold.



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I play my Adaar as being pretty open-minded.  He's an assassin but he accepts the role of herald.  I was originally going to have him be unsure about whether or not there is a Maker but when he's around Cassandra which is most of the time he'll definitely say he's the herald because he knows she likes it when he owns up to the title.  So basically acceptance as a means to get into Cassandra's pants.


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