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[Pig Bodine]

Ethics is gaming journalism? Seriously? Death and rape threats to female devs equals to ethics in gaming journalism? Doxing and swatting women in the gaming industry has something to do with ethics or journalism suddenly? Ethics means you're allowed to threaten the life of a developer's husband and child and threaten to rape her till she's bleeding to death? I really don't wanna get into THAT discussion please. It is not relevant to our issue here, and I won't enjoy seeing this thread going down that way. So, can we please skip the dialectics of any sort and focus on the problems at hand?

Woah!

 

Please don't associate me in any way with such a toxic movement- I'd hate to think you would believe that I'm in any way like that- and I think you can tell that from my previous posts.

 

Of course I don't think- "Death and rape threats to female devs equals to ethics in gaming journalism"

 

That wasn't at all my intention with what I wrote, I believe that was reasonably clear and, same as yourself,  I don't want to continue any discussion that engages in a dissection of that terrible movement either.

 

After all, I just spent several paragraphs saying how appalled I was at the awful gamergate.

 

Gamergate is/was horrendous.

 

All I was trying to point out was that any genuine attempt to question magazines and their financial connection with the gaming industry has also been scuppered by them, taken off the menu- by a truly egregious movement.

 

What I wrote in my previous post was my attempt to examine how it has become more difficult to question the media now, because no-one wants, quite rightly, to be associated with those douche bags who sent rape/death threats.

 

That inability to question the media is somewhat relevant to our issue- if Bioware wants us to shut up, then any magazine that gets it's funding from their advertising probably doesn't want us to be heard either.

 

You're right we do need to focus on the problems at hand- which includes how do we get more signatures when no-one wants to report anything about these issues... that's a toughie.

 

If anyone who reads my piffle has any suggestions on how to get more signatures, then they'd be greatfully received.

[Panda]

Ethics is gaming journalism? Seriously? Death and rape threats to female devs equals to ethics in gaming journalism? Doxing and swatting women in the gaming industry has something to do with ethics or journalism suddenly? Ethics means you're allowed to threaten the life of a developer's husband and child and threaten to rape her till she's bleeding to death? I really don't wanna get into THAT discussion please. It is not relevant to our issue here, and I won't enjoy seeing this thread going down that way. So, can we please skip the dialectics of any sort and focus on the problems at hand?

 

Well it's more like the whole thing was mess in both sides. Lot of female players and even female devs supported gamergate so it's not all that and I have seen death threats flying in both sides. And in the end whole thing is just mess.

 

I still think there is problems with ethics in gaming journalism and game companies but female devs shouldn't be included in that as something seperated cause that isn't problem at all. Problem is for example all game magazines and websites ignoring problems of games like DAI and not giving buyer real information of problems that the game has in different platforms. And also game companies should stop doing these games that require years of patching before they work properly ^^;

[Octarin]

Well it's more like the whole thing was mess in both sides. Lot of female players and even female devs supported gamergate so it's not all that and I have seen death threats flying in both sides. And in the end whole thing is just mess.

 

I still think there is problems with ethics in gaming journalism and game companies but female devs shouldn't be included in that as something seperated cause that isn't problem at all. Problem is for example all game magazines and websites ignoring problems of games like DAI and not giving buyer real information of problems that the game has in different platforms. And also game companies should stop doing these games that require years of patching before they work properly ^^;

 

You presume they care. 

 

You presume "journalists" care about the games. And you presume companies care about the games. Neither is the case.

 

Media wants funding, and exclusive media like these get their funding from companies. Guess which ones. And companies release some AAA so-called title, that rides on the company hype and reputation, to make a quick cash grab. They know they'll lose players. They don't care. Some of the players will stay and buy the DLCs and so on and so forth, precisely what EA has been doing for years. Release early, cash in on the media hype, ride out the backlash and then placate whoever's left with a couple of expansions, and in a couple of years nobody will remember. 

[Panda]

You presume they care. 

 

You presume "journalists" care about the games. And you presume companies care about the games. Neither is the case.

 

Media wants funding, and exclusive media like these get their funding from companies. Guess which ones. And companies release some AAA so-called title, that rides on the company hype and reputation, to make a quick cash grab. They know they'll lose players. They don't care. Some of the players will stay and buy the DLCs and so on and so forth, precisely what EA has been doing for years. Release early, cash in on the media hype, ride out the backlash and then placate whoever's left with a couple of expansions, and in a couple of years nobody will remember. 

 

I'm not just very into capitalism and even if they don't care they should care about what they do. Money is less important after all than being proud of what you do and loving it.

[Octarin]

I'm not just very into capitalism and even if they don't care they should care about what they do. Money is less important after all than being proud of what you do and loving it.

 

Not anymore.

[Emu8207]

Not to mini mod but I don't want to see GG destroy this thread, just an FYI. There are actual legit concerns that a lot of us have. I personally haven't had as many issues as a lot of people on here but I do want to see some things change.

[phototed]

Not to mini mod but I don't want to see GG destroy this thread, just an FYI. There are actual legit concerns that a lot of us have. I personally haven't had as many issues as a lot of people on here but I do want to see some things change.

 

Yeah lets not get into that here. 

[Donmega88]

Everyone is allowed to make everything, it's something called Free Enterprise. Even the japs made **** burgers. At least with the **** burgers you know beforehand you're eating something made of ****, and it's up to you to eat it or not. Unless they hire EA's publicists, in which case, I'm never buying another burger ever again!

 

PS: the edited word is s h i t

 

Had to google the Japanese burgers, the pictures looked interesting until a black cheese burger came up...........

 

But seriously though, where is this thread headed? Only a matter of time until the thread gets closed. Please stay on topic everyone.

[Octarin]

Had to google the Japanese burgers, the pictures looked interesting until a black cheese burger came up...........

 

But seriously though, where is this thread headed? Only a matter of time until the thread gets closed. Please stay on topic everyone.

 

The thread IS on topic. 

[tevix]

Well not in this case, cause there are no international laws protecting us. Simple as that.

International laws are irrelevant.  Most countries have their own laws against such activities. 

[Panda]

There is unofficial poll about stability and bug issues on BSN: http://forum.bioware...ame/?p=18439752 if someone is intrested.

 

Hmm I wonder when patch 3 is coming and will it solve anything..

[Pig Bodine]

Sorry I brought this up in the first place... I wasn't in anyway trying to spark a debate about that whole issue- I think we're all pretty much in agreement about decrying what was/is an awful movement.

 

I just wanted to discuss how difficult it is trying to find a publication that will help us get the message out- a message about what this thread is all about.

 

Next time I'll think, before I pick something so controversial just to illustrate a point.

 

My bad.

 

In the meantime to lighten the mood, here's a pic of my xbox...

 

And in a call back to previous posts, here's my xbox on Inquisition...

 

I'm off for the next few days, away from the computer and the potato- as I'm helping my partner's parents move into a retirement flat, and, as I don't have a mobile device, I'll see you guys later... let's hope we finally get some good news in the meantime.

 

Take care...

[Octarin]

International laws are irrelevant.  Most countries have their own laws against such activities. 

 

A company isn't covered by your country's laws. It's either covered by international laws or by the laws of a common country you both live in. So unless you are American, there's nothing you can do. 

[tevix]

A company isn't covered by your country's laws. It's either covered by international laws or by the laws of a common country you both live in. So unless you are American, there's nothing you can do. 

You have to abide by the laws of any country you do business in.  If you're based in japan but operate in america, you don't get to flip american laws the bird.

[Octarin]

You have to abide by the laws of any country you do business in.  If you're based in japan but operate in america, you don't get to flip american laws the bird.

 

Actually you do. Legally speaking. You are bound by the laws in the country where your company is registered as belonging. If you registered your company in America, you're bound by American laws, if you registered in Japan, by Japanese laws, and so forth. 

[Emu8207]

Started a new playthrough on my 360, went 5 hours, no problems besides popin and other documented tech stuff like long load times. Did have a bug where all the enemies disappeared in Haven but that's not a big deal IMO. I'm strongly optimistic that patch 3 will bring the fixes we've been asking for although I'm keeping my expectations low.

[Patchwork]

How long roughly does it usually take for a patch that's already been released on PC to be released for consoles?

 

I borrowed a friend's Xbox360 for DAI because I can't afford to upgrade my pc right  now so I'm not sure how this usually works. 

[Faeryia]

Started a new playthrough on my 360, went 5 hours, no problems besides popin and other documented tech stuff like long load times. Did have a bug where all the enemies disappeared in Haven but that's not a big deal IMO. I'm strongly optimistic that patch 3 will bring the fixes we've been asking for although I'm keeping my expectations low.

 

I hope you are right.

I reinstalled my game about a week a go and this time around I've gotten less freezes when loading saves, and so far only one save has been corrupted. I get a little more banter too, at least from Blackwall, Iron Bull and Dorian. This is the first time Dorian has ever said anything outside of cutscenes so that is fun. I had no idea he and Blackwall were so... bitchy.lol They really don't like each other.

 

My inquisitor still doesn't say anything other than "Let's look around" and things like that. And the audio-wheel is still very glitchy as is the music and sound in general. I'm holding my fingers crossed that Patch 3 will fix this.

[terminussystems]

I disappear for a couple of days to entrench myself back into the abyss that is Saint's Row and it's recent expansion pack, Gat out of Hell, and see a complete thrashing of gg from one side and Bioware/EA ****** up even further as usual on the other side.

 

If DAI is: "I look into the abyss, and the abyss' framerate drops before crashing out of existence.", Saint's Row 4 is: "I look into the abyss, and the abyss hands me a dubstep gun, a giant ****** bat, extensive character creator and legible subtitles and tells me 'go on and have fun, you glorious bastard'."

 

God bless this glorious thread and may this thread never die until DAI is fixed or one of us spontaneously combusts out of frustration.

 

(And according to several posts on tumblr, patch 3 is considered way worse than patch 2 for PC players. Incredible.)

[DFMelancholine]

Well it's more like the whole thing was mess in both sides. Lot of female players and even female devs supported gamergate so it's not all that and I have seen death threats flying in both sides. And in the end whole thing is just mess.

 

I still think there is problems with ethics in gaming journalism and game companies but female devs shouldn't be included in that as something seperated cause that isn't problem at all. Problem is for example all game magazines and websites ignoring problems of games like DAI and not giving buyer real information of problems that the game has in different platforms. And also game companies should stop doing these games that require years of patching before they work properly ^^;

 

I'm gonna have to agree with Panda on this one.

 

Personally,I only wanted to add that we shouldn't digress from the topic of this thread into the whole gamergate/anti-gg because it being a very touchy subject I see only two outcomes:

1)We'll all end up fighting =

2)This thread will definitely be locked.=

So no gain.

[tevix]

Actually you do. Legally speaking. You are bound by the laws in the country where your company is registered as belonging. If you registered your company in America, you're bound by American laws, if you registered in Japan, by Japanese laws, and so forth. 

This is a protracted discussion not for this thread, so I'm going to just agree to disagree at this point.

[Wodan Yrmir]

i think the topic when out of control now,so let try too stay on the matter at hand and not away from it

[Jay84]

So bringing it back and just to cool things down a tad, Its unkown if they are going to patch the patch for pc first or do the console patch THEN re-patch the pc.

Lets just keep eyes open and hope.

[phototed]

our frustration level is over 9000.

 

[Jay84]

our frustration level is over 9000.

 

As are the amount of glitches