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[Vanth]

I think someone has misunderstood the expression "fantasy role-play".

[nici2412]

I don't know if it's true, but I read somewhere that most Bioware developers ( at least the one developing the dragon age series) are women and gay men. If that's true that could explain why some of the male characters look like models (Dorian, Cullen), while none of the female characters is conventional attractive. They create  characters they feel attracted to. In other games it's usually the other way. Most developers are straight men and female characters mostly look pretty while men characters are more average looking.

[daveliam]

I don't know if it's true, but I read somewhere that most Bioware developers ( at least the one developing the dragon age series) are women and gay men. If that's true that could explain why some of the male characters look like models (Dorian, Cullen), while none of the female characters is conventional attractive. They create  characters they feel attracted to. In other games it's usually the other way. Most developers are straight men and female characters mostly look pretty while men characters are more average looking.

 

I don't think that this is the case.  The people who design the characters are a different group than those who do the writing.  I remember reading a blog post by one of the devs where he said that, outside of some very vague basic information, they don't have much input on what the characters look like.  I also specifically remember Gaider tweeting about having a moment where he saw one of his character's designs and being surprised at how hot they were (probably Dorian in retrospect -- dat moustache....!).

 

I think Bioware has a diverse staff (probably more so than many other developers), but I don't think that most of them are women and gay men.

[DrBlingzle]

Again this. Male players really should expand their idea of beaty since this is getting tiring. You don't see lesbian players complaining about ugliness of females or straight female and gay players complaining about looks of male characters (which aren't even close to supermodels either). Thus I have to believe that the problem is on straight male players and not in the characters themselves.

Hey, don't judge us all by this. Speaking as a heterosexual male gamer I actually find most of the female characters attractive and I don't think it would matter that much if I didn't.

[Dominari]

I can understand the Casandra comments.  She is a bit masculine, but it fits her character.  Maybe she's too butch for most people.  I think she's perfect for her role.

 

Sera reminds me of a girl I knew in High School (longer ago than I care to admit).  I think sh's cute.

 

Lilianna is hot. I wish I could use her mesh and texture as a basis for my character.  She is also the only character (PC or NPC) that I think has a nice texture.  If games want to go with an ultra-realistic look I really wish they would give their art departmet the time it takes to make an ultra-realistic skin texture.  ... but I digress.

 

Josephine .... I'm not thrilled about.  Those grossly exagerated cheeks come across as a racist charicature.  Wrap it up with the classic "not ready for prime time" skin texture most games use and .... well, she has a nice personality.

 

OK, so I have mentioned I don't like the quality of the skin texture, but I expect that to be fixed by the community in a few weeks.  But what I really cannot stand are te unisex hair style and those huge lips your toon is stuck with.  I make my lips as slim as I can get away with and then half the cut scenes they give her a facial expression that looks like a baboon after Botox. 

 

Well, that came out more of a rant than I intended ...  for the most part I like thier looks.  Could they do better?  Oh heck yeah.  But no game developer will give the artist the time or in-game resources to do what we all know can be done. 

[Jeremiah12LGeek]

I don't know if it's true, but I read somewhere that most Bioware developers ( at least the one developing the dragon age series) are women and gay men. If that's true that could explain why some of the male characters look like models (Dorian, Cullen), while none of the female characters is conventional attractive. They create  characters they feel attracted to. In other games it's usually the other way. Most developers are straight men and female characters mostly look pretty while men characters are more average looking.

 

I have no idea how many developers at BioWare are gay or female, but I am very certain that it isn't relevant to the quality of the writing or design, or the way the characters appear.

[mikeymoonshine]

Attraction is complicated, there is no such thing as objective attractiveness but certain features can be generally more attractive than others. Some of these features are physical some are not and generally it depends on the culture to some extent too. Usually symmetrical features and signs of good health (clear skin, lack of scars, in good shape ect) are attractive but then for a man strength can also be attractive and scars can indicate strength. So in some situations scars can be attractive on men and ofc this could work for women too in some situations but not in others. 

 

So attractiveness is not objective but there are general themes many people agree on. 

 

Honestly I think the men and the women in this game are far more attractive and realistic looking than in previous games. I'm gay though, so I don't find women sexually attractive anyway. 

[Terodil]

Edit: Scrubbed to avoid thread derailment.

[StingingVelvet]

I don't think this is a male/female issue. Some of the characters are badly designed, especially the faces. The elven archer girl looks like someone ran over her face with a snowplow, but Leiliana looks great. It's probably just different 3D artists being better or worse at the job.

[daveliam]

I don't think this is a male/female issue. Some of the characters are badly designed, especially the faces. The elven archer girl looks like someone ran over her face with a snowplow, but Leiliana looks great. It's probably just different 3D artists being better or worse at the job.

 

And, again, there are people in this very thread that say that they find Sera attractive.  No absolutes when it comes to this. 

[nici2412]

I have no idea how many developers at BioWare are gay or female, but I am very certain that it isn't relevant to the quality of the writing or design, or the way the characters appear.

i wasn't talking about the quality. Making a character look pretty or ugly doesn't say anything about the quality of writing or design.

I remember a post from a dev on this forum, that they wanted to give their characters flaws, so they don't look "supermodel like". I find it just strange that they did exactly this with all female characters (Cassandra being the most extreme example. Since Dawn of the Seeker ->>> she got short hair, a masculine look, wide jaw and a big scar) while  I don't see Dorian or Cullen having any flaws. They both look like supermodels. Cullen became prettier and prettier since Origins, while the opposite happened with Cassandra. And yes, I know that beauty is subjective, but considering the dozens of threads complaining about the look of the female characters that's at least an indication that many people are not happy with the look of their potential romance option.

[mikeymoonshine]

 

Josephine .... I'm not thrilled about.  Those grossly exagerated cheeks come across as a racist charicature.  Wrap it up with the classic "not ready for prime time" skin texture most games use and .... well, she has a nice personality.

 

Huh? 

 

They really aren't that big, they aren't even as big as Vivienne's and I don't even think hers are particularly unrealistic. Some people have big cheekbones (even white people) big cheekbones are a little more common in people of African and Asian decent or at least decent from certain parts of Africa and Asia. 

[kingjezza]

Allan Schumacher even stated that if there was one demographic he would be happy to short change it would be straight males, hence we end up with a bunch of what Bioware consider "real" women.

 

Personally I just want a bunch of Lara Croft types running around but not going to happen. Game of Thrones manages to have a bunch of hot, intelligent, awesome women so I'm not sure why Bioware couldn't follow suit and create hotties.

[StingingVelvet]

And, again, there are people in this very thread that say that they find Sera attractive.  No absolutes when it comes to this. 

 

Sure, but that goes to my point too. Different artists doing different work that is appreciated differently. I don't think it's a gender issue.

[Danit]

Dont know why people say cassandra looks butch i think shes the best looking out of the whole cast.

[Larry-3]

I do not mean to pass judgment, but from my point of view...

 

Josephine: 8

Cassandra: 7

Sera: 6.5

Morrigan: 8

Leliana: 6

 

Josephine looks alright to me, I am probably going to flirt with her every chance I get. Cassandra... I only give her a seven out of ten. I would give her an eight, especially after seeing her fan-girl reaction to Varric about "Swords and Shields". I think Cassandra's looks would be greatly improved if she grew her hair. And I am not just saying that because I like girls with long hair. Anyway... Sera, she reminds me of Kes from season 1 and 2 Star Trek: Voyager. Every time I talk to her I always say to myself, "Kes... no I mean Sera!" I am certain I will break the habit of that... eventually. Regardless, she receives a six point five because her voice sounds ugly to me and she just does not look as good. She receives the extra point five because from what I can tell, she is basically comical relief. Even though her humor is kind of dry, to me anyway. Morrigan still looks somewhat good. In Dragon Age: Origins I give her a nine point five. She might not be as good looking, but she is still okay. Leliana... she looks completely different.

[N7 Spectre525]

Allan Schumacher even stated that if there was one demographic he would be happy to short change it would be straight males, hence we end up with a bunch of what Bioware consider "real" women.

 

Personally I just want a bunch of Lara Croft types running around but not going to happen. Game of Thrones manages to have a bunch of hot, intelligent, awesome women so I'm not sure why Bioware couldn't follow suit and create hotties.

Its like all of a sudden being a straight male gamer is a bad thing or something. The funny thing is, if not for the straight male gamer I dont think Dragon Age would even exist.

[Panda]

The men in Inquisitor aren't any more hotter than the women are. If you look closely yes you can find flaws in their faces: Small eyes for Solas, sunken cheeks for Blackwall, Cullen's eyes are too far back in the head, Iron Bull is far from supermodel and Dorian has moustache some players hate.

 

Maybe female and gay gamers just appreciate diversity and flaws as well more than some straight male gamers seem to.

[Sartoz]

Meh, this is why we need the ability to mod files so player artists can take care of all these issues for the PC gamer population. Have you seen the amount of mods for Skyrim, and DA:O that are appearance and texture based only? Mind boggling. 

TRUE.

I don't expect Modding ability soon, if ever because of the engine. However, if Bioware/EA want to regain fan love, MODDING capability will do that.... and think about future games as well....

[craigdolphin]

Beauty is skin deep. Ugly goes to the bone!

 

J/K.

 

More seriously, attractiveness is a fairly subjective thing. Beight straight and male, I'm not going to lie, I'm not particular taken with the physical appearance of any of the female npc's (except Leliana). Speaking for myself, DAO had two attractive options for me, DA2 had one that was 'ok' (Isabela) and one that was just too neotinized (Merril), and DAI looks like it's a complete drought. I think some of the boils down to the horrible hair. I like long hair in real life and there's nothing even vaguely attractive to me about any of the hairstyles in DAI. That said, I'm hopeful that the personalities make up in large part for the physical appearance.

 

Obviously, that's just my opinion and I'm quite certain the there's no even one dev in Bioware who has even one toss to give about that Honestly, that's fine with me. There are far larger problems in the game than the lack of conventionally beautiful romance options for guys like me. That said, it sure would be nice if long hair would become an option in future Bioware games. It's becoming a bit of an aesthetic embarassment for their games.

[FragCzar]

OP is correct.

[daveliam]

i wasn't talking about the quality. Making a character look pretty or ugly doesn't say anything about the quality of writing or design.

I remember a post from a dev on this forum, that they wanted to give their characters flaws, so they don't look "supermodel like". I find it just strange that they did exactly this with all female characters (Cassandra being the most extreme example. Since Dawn of the Seeker ->>> she got short hair, a masculine look, wide jaw and a big scar) while  I don't see Dorian or Cullen having any flaws. They both look like supermodels. Cullen became prettier and prettier since Origins, while the opposite happened with Cassandra. And yes, I know that beauty is subjective, but considering the dozens of threads complaining about the look of the female characters that's at least an indication that many people are not happy with the look of their potential romance option.

 

Dorian has a ton of hate about the moustache.  Having followed the development of the game for months (years....), I can say that Dorian has really been pulled apart by a wide variety of people.  "He's too dark" (hence the blonde-haired, blue-eyed version that was mocked up).  "He's too gay/flamboyant".  "His moustache is ugly."  He's far from being universally accepted.

 

Cullen's looks are pretty much well-received.  People hate on his personality, but not much about his looks. 

 

Allan Schumacher even stated that if there was one demographic he would be happy to short change it would be straight males, hence we end up with a bunch of what Bioware consider "real" women.

 

Personally I just want a bunch of Lara Croft types running around but not going to happen. Game of Thrones manages to have a bunch of hot, intelligent, awesome women so I'm not sure why Bioware couldn't follow suit and create hotties.

 

That is (a) not what Allan said; (b.) missing the context; and (c.) a connection that isn't accurate.

 

Sure, but that goes to my point too. Different artists doing different work that is appreciated differently. I don't think it's a gender issue.

 

Yeah, I agree.  I was more speaking to the "badly designed" statement that you made.   If I don't find a character attractive, but others do, I don't think it's fair to say that the character is "badly designed".  It's more that I don't like the design.