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[Lulupab]

Actually, no I didn't. Go get the quote, because either you misinterpreted me, or you're just making it up. 
Actually, that stuff happens anyway, so what is your point, there's no reason Fiona wouldn't think it would happen either. Finally, a small contingent of Tevinter psychos can't combat an entire country. The mages could have easily fought with Ferelden, who protected them, instead they sold them out, into slavery of all things. Guess Fiona's memory isn't that long when it concerns her doing wrong.

 
There is no sign Ferelden is inclined to help the mages the slightest, only provided them with refuge. No nation takes a side even though their people are dying. And here is quote, FYI they will not die without Lyrium, they are just too much of a coward to go through the drawbacks.
 

Going to side with the Templars anyway, but more so with the Chantry. I sympathize with them more. They'll definitely die without lyrium, where as there's very little chance the mages will all be killed if they surrendered long before this stupid war began.

 
 

Honestly, they are both pretty bad, but Fiona was truly desperate. They had no one else to turn to, particularly since the Tevinters used TIME magic to get there and infiltrate before anyone else could do anything. The Tevinters went there on purpose- they made an offer Fiona could not refuse. This all happened 2 days after the conclave exploded... Fiona probably thought that at least through Tevinter they would live, instead of the general populous turning on them and killing them Vivienne mentioned it- everyone is more afraid of magic now than ever. Fiona was protecting her people the only way she could see how. If she tried to refuse them, who knows what they would have down in retaliation?
 
Also, if you side with the Templars don't the mages end up brainwashed? Alexius very well could have already been putting the mages of Redcliffe under some form of mind control, or at least influencing them.

 
Indeed, I'm arguing with people who haven't seen the mage side. Ferelden merely gave them a roof, nothing more. Even that was considered generous. Tevinter tricked and intimidated its way into Redcliff.

[Br3admax]

 
There is no sign Ferelden is inclined to help the mages the slightest, only provided them with refuge. No nation takes a side even though their people are dying. And here is quote, FYI they will not die without Lyrium, they are just too much of a coward to go through the drawbacks.

One, they don't let Templars run wild in their countries, and they actually are protecting them, per a few War Table missions. Two, talk to Cullen, he definitely says going without lyrium can kill. 

 

Finally, read that quote again. Just per the usual, you twist what others say to defend your own irrational argument, Don't try to pretend I said something I didn't. 

[herkles]

If tevinter or the Templars attacked then the armies of fereldan would be obligated to fight them and I am pretty sure that they would. why? because redcliff is Fereldan territory even if they didn't care about the mage-Templar war, they would fight to protect redcliff. The mages would have had the perfect chance to show the people that they can be good people, by fighting and defending them. how greatful do you think the people of redcliff would be if the mages joined them in fighting back against The Templars/Tevinter? probably a lot.

 

More over the mage side has been going on that independt mages would not become tevinter and lo and behold what do the mages do? they side with tevinter and sell people into slavery, not to mention they become slaves to tevinter themselves. Their rebellion was about freedom, so it is either that they don't care about mundanes, they want to be a mageocracy like tevinter, or that they are hypocrites.

 

 

 

 

[Lulupab]

If tevinter or the Templars attacked then the armies of fereldan would be obligated to fight them and I am pretty sure that they would. why? because redcliff is Fereldan territory even if they didn't care about the mage-Templar war, they would fight to protect redcliff. The mages would have had the perfect chance to show the people that they can be good people, by fighting and defending them. how greatful do you think the people of redcliff would be if the mages joined them in fighting back against The Templars/Tevinter? probably a lot.

 

More over the mage side has been going on that independt mages would not become tevinter and lo and behold what do the mages do? they side with tevinter and sell people into slavery, not to mention they become slaves to tevinter themselves. Their rebellion was about freedom, so it is either that they don't care about mundanes, they want to be a mageocracy like tevinter, or that they are hypocrites.

 

Then what does dealing with demons and using red lyroum make Templars? Totally not hypocrites am I right? The Templar were going to attack and if mages knew it then Ferelden knew it to. I see no Ferelden army there. Hinterlands is Ferelden territory and I don't see Ferelden doing anything when bystanders die. The Templars oppress mages to prevent demons from attacking yet they align with demons themselves. You'll be shocked how rare abominations are in this game, specially on the side of rebel mages.

 

I'd like to point out Alexius was using mind control already. 

 

One, they don't let Templars run wild in their countries, and they actually are protecting them, per a few War Table missions. Two, talk to Cullen, he definitely says going without lyrium can kill. 

 

Finally, read that quote again. Just per the usual, you twist what others say to defend your own irrational argument, Don't try to pretend I said something I didn't. 

 

The Templars are running wild in Ferelden already, hinterlands is a part of Ferelden and right outside Redcliff. "Can" kill is equal to certain death of mages? good to know then. You feel more sympathy for Templars because they might die but mages will surely die. That's basically your quote. Past is irrelevant now.

[Br3admax]

The Templars are running wild in Ferelden already, hinterlands is a part of Ferelden and right outside Redcliff. "Can" kill is equal to certain death of mages? good to know then. You feel more sympathy for Templars because they might die but mages will surely die. That's basically your quote. Past is irrelevant now.

Those aren't Templars. Those are deserters, and if you didn't notice, Tevinter kind of ousted the arl, because of Fiona's support. There is no Fereldan presence. And no, mages won't surely die. They aren't anywhere else, and they won't here. 

[Lulupab]

Those aren't Templars. Those are deserters, and if you didn't notice, Tevinter kind of ousted the arl. There is no Fereldan presence. And no, mages won't surely die. They aren't anywhere else, and they won't here. 

 

Its good that you acknowledged Tevinter ticked and intimidated its way into redcliff. No one invited them. Fiona was completely powerless against it specially after her only hope was blown away at haven only 2 days ago in the game timeline. People are already more afraid of mages as stated before. I entered a debate after the claim that Fiona was the devil behind it all. We all witness how grand the Templars fell. at worst both sides are the same. Stop claiming hypocrisy for one side or other similar fallacies.

[Mr.House]

WHAT HAVE YOU DONE! NOOOO

Killed an idiot leader who threw lot in with Elder One?

[Hellion Rex]

Killed an idiot leader who threw lot in with Elder One?

Wait, you can kill her?

[Milan92]

Wait, you can kill her?

 

Spoiler

You fight her when Cory attacks Haven if you sided with the templars.

[Hellion Rex]

Spoiler

You fight her when Cory attacks Haven if you sided with the templars.

..........she must be out of her goddamn mind.

 

Spoiler

Samson already was an idiot, so I can understand him throwing in with Cory, but Fiona...she literally must be out of her goddamn mind.

 

[Lulupab]

..........she must be out of her goddamn mind.

 

Alexius can mind control. So can you know who.

[Hellion Rex]

Alexius can mind control.

We certainly wouldn't have this problem if she hadn't been such an idiot in the first place.

 

It's her own damn fault. Her choices led to that possibility.

[Milan92]

Alexius can mind control. So can you know who.

 

Spoiler

Actually Alexius gets killed before the Haven attack happens. Cory didn't need him anymore.

[Lulupab]

We certainly wouldn't have this problem if she hadn't been such an idiot in the first place.

 

It's her own damn fault. Her choices led to that possibility.

 

I assume you sided with mages correct? Its so blatant Tevinter forced its way inside, she is not faultless but she didn't invite him like a certain group invited their demise. 

[Lulupab]

Spoiler

Actually Alexius gets killed before the Haven attack happens. Cory didn't need him anymore.

 

Spoiler

Its clearly mentioned all mages are brainwashed at that point, whoever did it, it was mind control or a similar magic

[Mr.House]

Spoiler

Its clearly mentioned all mages are brainwashed at that point, whoever did it, it was mind control or a similar magic

False, if this was the case then all the mages in the Inquisition or the mages I have sent the templars to help would have attacked.

 

You're confusing the warden mages and non-warden mages.

[Br3admax]

Actually, you're all wrong. 

Spoiler

Nobody mind controled anyone. The Wardens were afraid of the Calling and tried to conduct a ritual to summon a giant fear demon named Terror.

 

[Hellion Rex]

I assume you sided with mages correct? Its so blatant Tevinter forced its way inside, she is not faultless but she didn't invite him like a certain group invited their demise. 

Trust me, the only reason I sided with the mages was to get Dorian in this situation and cause the quest concept was cool, not even remotely due to any moral view of the mages. And Fiona chose to serve the Venatori, of her own volition, desperation be damned. And we know the Templars didn't plan on attacking any time soon cause they had their own issues to deal with at Theirinfall.

 

As to the Templar Order in general:

Spoiler

You kill the idiots in charge anyways, and start anew with Ser Barris, a moderate, which is something the mage side lacks entirely.

 

[Hellion Rex]

Actually, you're all wrong. 

Spoiler

Nobody mind controled anyone. The Wardens were afraid of the Calling and tried to conduct a ritual to summon a giant fear demon named Terror.

 

We are talking about when

 

Spoiler

Cory attacks Haven. Lulu claims that the Circle mages, if you sided with Templars, were being mind controlled by Corypheus into helping him.

 

[Br3admax]

We are talking about when

 

Spoiler

Cory attacks Haven. Lulu claims that the Circle mages, if you sided with Templars, were being mind controlled by Corypheus into helping him.

 

I was responding to House and Lulu saying anyone was being mind controlled. 

[Milan92]

Trust me, the only reason I sided with the mages was to get Dorian in this situation and cause the quest concept was cool, not even remotely due to any moral view of the mages. And Fiona chose to serve the Venatori, of her own volition, desperation be damned. And we know the Templars didn't plan on attacking any time soon cause they had their own issues to deal with at Theirinfall.

 

As to the Templar Order in general:

Spoiler

You kill the idiots in charge anyways, and start anew with Ser Barris, a moderate, which is something the mage side lacks entirely.

 

 

You're gonna love the templar quest line, Elu.

[Mr.House]

I was responding to House and Lulu saying anyone was being mind controlled. 

Actually,.

 

Spoiler

it's outright stated the mages where being controlled by Cory, non-mages however where being manipulated by the modified calling Cory created with the Fear demon.

[Mr.House]

Trust me, the only reason I sided with the mages was to get Dorian in this situation and cause the quest concept was cool, not even remotely due to any moral view of the mages. And Fiona chose to serve the Venatori, of her own volition, desperation be damned. And we know the Templars didn't plan on attacking any time soon cause they had their own issues to deal with at Theirinfall.

 

As to the Templar Order in general:

Spoiler

You kill the idiots in charge anyways, and start anew with Ser Barris, a moderate, which is something the mage side lacks entirely.

 

It also has no stupid time travel. Just ugh.

[Br3admax]

Its good that you acknowledged Tevinter ticked and intimidated its way into redcliff. No one invited them. 

Actually I just said Fiona let them in to attack. Nice try though. 

Fiona was completely powerless against it specially after her only hope was blown away at haven only 2 days ago in the game timeline. People are already more afraid of mages as stated before. I entered a debate after the claim that Fiona was the devil behind it all. We all witness how grand the Templars fell. at worst both sides are the same. Stop claiming hypocrisy for one side or other similar fallacies.

lol, You making up things never said in game to support Fiona isn't evidence, which is why there is such a large disagreement with you. Fiona caused the war unprepared. Fiona refused to surrender and go back to the Circle for ONE mage with evidence against him. Fiona let motherfucking Tevinter into Ferelden and elt them sack the arl. Stop being an apologist. It's good for no one. 

[Br3admax]

Actually,.

 

Spoiler

it's outright stated the mages where being controlled by Cory, non-mages however where being manipulated by the modified calling Cory created with the Fear demon.

Actually,

Spoiler

No it's not. They were being driven by fear, not mindcontrol. Cory didn't modify the Calling, he just made all Wardens feel it.