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[Kiitosu]

Edit : beaten by Kittou didn't saw his post.

 

 

Did you not read Kittou just above you ?

He took the time to check this info for people here with the modders' toolkit.

You forgot the -s-   double -i- not -t- as well. I don't really mind, just making a note.

 

Anyways, revamping elven model means revamping all equipment elves can wear, i doubt developers will do so, as for broken arms, if that's rigging problem, will take ages to fix, i also doubt they will reskin every armor,. As for making shoulders wider. and thicker arms, not-so-hard-to-do thing, by affecting skeleton. Will have effect on all equipment.  Not sure.

[SyngeIX]

I've gotten around most of my issues with the elf body by using armour that helped to broaden the shoulders and arms. Yea it is far from ideal but it has meant I've been able to enjoy DA:I as a male elf. Much better experience than sitting around here complaining  

Bonus, I've just found out you can use Cheat Engine to replace those awful Skyhold pjs with the armour your wearing.

[Lord Surinen]

I've gotten around most of my issues with the elf body by using armour that helped to broaden the shoulders and arms. Yea it is far from ideal but it has meant I've been able to enjoy DA:I as a male elf. Much better experience than sitting around here complaining  

Bonus, I've just found out you can use Cheat Engine to replace those awful Skyhold pjs with the armour your wearing.

In other words  unless you like the armour then you were 'forced' to use it to broaden the shoulders. Still, your arms are glued during cutscenes. Well, whatever makes you sleep at night. Personally, I can not stand being glued, constantly in 'I must pee" pose. Sure, I would like to play ice mage but I have never suspected that elves store the water in their bladder.

[BioWareMod03]

Hi everyone. Let's keep it on topic and civil and take personal discussions to pms. Thank you.

[Xhaiden]

I've gotten around most of my issues with the elf body by using armour that helped to broaden the shoulders and arms. Yea it is far from ideal but it has meant I've been able to enjoy DA:I as a male elf. Much better experience than sitting around here complaining  

Bonus, I've just found out you can use Cheat Engine to replace those awful Skyhold pjs with the armour your wearing.

 

Any specific armours that work well? The starting mage armour is a fashion crime on every race but particularly bad on elves. >.>

 

The more I try to play human mage the more it feels like human males are absurdly beefy. I need a happy medium between human and elf. The light armour of the Inquisition in particular seems really bulky on a human male. It looks like I'm wearing hockey equipment underneath it. I should try it on an elf, probably works in their favour. 

[Blue_Shayde]

I really doubt they'd go so far as to completely redo the elf body. That would take a lot of time and money, and we all know BW just isn't for that. We're stuck with the anorexic elf.

 

But if the rigging at least gets fixed, I would consider that a win. Maybe the elf will even look slightly better with fixed rigging. Who knows. Otherwise, we can just enjoy the way they cut corners with the mess of human base armor and elf base armor available to the elves.

 

While meanwhile, Multiplayers get treated like kings with armor variety...

[SyngeIX]

In other words  unless you like the armour then you were 'forced' to use it to broaden the shoulders. Still, your arms are glued during cutscenes. Well, whatever makes you sleep at night. Personally, I can not stand being glued, constantly in 'I must pee" pose. Sure, I would like to play ice mage but I have never suspected that elves store the water in their bladder.

I sleep fine thanks cause I'm not hug up on a single issue that's preventing me from playing a great game that I bought. Not lashing myself to a single race also allowed me to enjoy the three other PC races, not to mention deciding to try out female elves - which I was delighted to discover probably have the best story out of all the race/gender combos thanks to a certain romance option.

But whatever, keep on striking out at people that offer suggests and don't play one of the best RPGs in years.

[Chaos17]

You forgot the -s-   double -i- not -t- as well. I don't really mind, just making a note.

 

Anyways, revamping elven model means revamping all equipment elves can wear, i doubt developers will do so, as for broken arms, if that's rigging problem, will take ages to fix, i also doubt they will reskin every armor,. As for making shoulders wider. and thicker arms, not-so-hard-to-do thing, by affecting skeleton. Will have effect on all equipment.  Not sure.

Gha, I always forget that "S" >_<'

I hope that arm problem won't be too deep to fix.

[SyngeIX]

Any specific armours that work well? The starting mage armour is a fashion crime on every race but particularly bad on elves. >.>

I use the battlemage armour rather than the starting gear. True its obsolete pretty much straight away but it does the job while something better looking comes along. The Sturdy Enchanter Mail is pretty good once you get the arms for it. There's also another early armour scheme that looks good for an elf mage, can't remember the name off the top of my head.

Still, once you get a little in you'll pick up much better looking gear that's actually really good. Plus you can start crafting rogue and warrior armour with silverite to use with a mage. 

[Xhaiden]

I really doubt they'd go so far as to completely redo the elf body. That would take a lot of time and money, and we all know BW just isn't for that. We're stuck with the anorexic elf.

 

Well, it doesn't need to be completely redone, only rescaled. If a game doesn't call for anything particularly outlandish or cartoonish / stylized then the same base humanoid mesh is going to be used across all character options. Just with different scaling / deformation. If elves are skinnier humans, Qunari are beefier humans and Dwarves are shorter stout humans there's no sense in all 4 having their own wholly unique mesh. That just means more resource usage and technical uniformity issues. 

 

Tweaking the Elven mesh shouldn't be too difficult. Ensuring armour compatibility will be a bit trickier. The noodle arm rigging issue by itself seems to occur when the Frostbite engine is in cutscene mode and as such its likely an issue specifically with the skeleton rigging in cutscenes.

 

The cutscene mode seems to use its own rigging skeletons apart from the gameplay/combat skeletons. As evidenced by applying the male rigging animation to female characters. There's not much call for everyone in the party to have full facial rigging and what not while wandering the Hinterlands so its likely a matter of resources/performance to have them separate. 

 

If we're lucky its just a matter of tracking down the glitch. 

 

But that said we're over the holidays now which is obviously going to delay patch 3. So there's not much sense raging about over Christmas until we actually see the patch notes for patch 3. Patch 2 was primarily stability and technical issues. Which are a higher priority. 

[Xhaiden]

I use the battlemage armour rather than the starting gear. True its obsolete pretty much straight away but it does the job while something better looking comes along. The Sturdy Enchanter Mail is pretty good once you get the arms for it. There's also another early armour scheme that looks good for an elf mage, can't remember the name off the top of my head.

Still, once you get a little in you'll pick up much better looking gear that's actually really good. Plus you can start crafting rogue and warrior armour with silverite to use with a mage. 

 

Yeah, I've gotten a ways in with a human rogue but just sort of puttered out on it because I found out Normal difficulty isn't really that difficult and it became kinda stale. Rogue armour is quite dashing but you don't get much stylistic variation with human armours. 

 

I'm plotting a nightmare run atm with a non-human of some sort.

[Lord Surinen]

I sleep fine thanks cause I'm not hug up on a single issue that's preventing me from playing a great game that I bought. Not lashing myself to a single race also allowed me to enjoy the three other PC races, not to mention deciding to try out female elves - which I was delighted to discover probably have the best story out of all the race/gender combos thanks to a certain romance option.

But whatever, keep on striking out at people that offer suggests and don't play one of the best RPGs in years.

As I have said: whatever makes you sleep at night. I'm playing males only and elves only. My standards are different from yours and it is fine. I require working model for immersion. thanks G-d I have never suffered from bone fracture, but because of it I  can not get into a role of a broken-glued elf, I'm not roleplaying in a sense of role embracement but projecting myself into a character: what I would do, not what broken-glued elf would. I would not say it is a single issue, there is plenty of bugs in this game and some of the lore content I find morally repulsive but it is not a place nor time to discuss it in detail. I have experienced directx bug and some other too even though I have played total 4h, mostly in character creation of this 'great game'. I'm glad that you could enjoy all of the wonderful journeys with your three different races.

 

I'm still waiting for the fix to be able to wear what I want, not what saves character from an appearance of a total abomination.

 

Lack of communication, no updates, this is not a well conducted relation with customers. One can dream but I would like to think that they are working 14h per day with no holidays free days available until it is fixed. Responsibility is a magick word.

[Blue_Shayde]

Meh, I've gotten about 96 hours into the game and I'd hardly call it one of the best rpgs out there. I can name plenty of other rpgs I think would better fit that title. And I do have reasons why I believe this. But the game is ok...for what it is.

 

 

As for altering the current model to fix the elf look, I think that's how we got such deformed looking elves to begin with. They scaled the upper half of the human base model and decided that would work, without proper testing. And now we have weird proportions and broken rigging.

 

I mean, I've got other race characters I can play, but I still want my male elf mage to be the character that beats the game first. My canon Inquisitor. Its a personal preference, I know. It's just how I've rolled with DA so far. Male elf mage warden. Mage hawke. (forced to be human). And now, I want my male elf mage Inquisitor.

 

*stares at the Inquisition load up button on her desktop* I just...need...to bring myself to click it. To start anew. So I can hopefully get the correct personality for a certain cameo character this time.

[Lord Surinen]

Meh, I've gotten about 96 hours into the game and I'd hardly call it one of the best rpgs out there. I can name plenty of other rpgs I think would better fit that title. And I do have reasons why I believe this. But the game is ok...for what it is.

 

 

As for altering the current model to fix the elf look, I think that's how we got such deformed looking elves to begin with. They scaled the upper half of the human base model and decided that would work, without proper testing. And now we have weird proportions and broken rigging.

 

I mean, I've got other race characters I can play, but I still want my male elf mage to be the character that beats the game first. My canon Inquisitor. Its a personal preference, I know. It's just how I've rolled with DA so far. Male elf mage warden. Mage hawke. (forced to be human). And now, I want my male elf mage Inquisitor.

 

*stares at the Inquisition load up button on her desktop* I just...need...to bring myself to click it. To start anew. So I can hopefully get the correct personality for a certain cameo character this time.

Most definately.

 

It begs to ask, what is the professionalism of people working with multi million titles? If they have not tested it properly, what does it speak about the business that supports our hobby. Holiday sales are more important than working product. The worst part about it all well, we are, customers who have pre-ordered it. This is a final lesson for me.

 

I can't imagine playing anybody else than male elf. I'm always playing elves whenever I can. Not to mention quite a lot of lore on elves in DA:I.

 

You simply don't release games in such state.

[BaroqueOut]

Hi everyone. Please keep it on topic and civil in here. Take personal disputes to pms.

Hi everyone. Let's keep it on topic and civil and take personal discussions to pms. Thank you.

 
Thank you.
 
I feel pretty strongly about the arm issue, but I've more or less peaced out of participating in this thread because it's gone from discussing a bug to just mud-slinging left and right, and that's not helping the devs' impression that everyone who dislikes this bug is unhinged and unreasonable. And people wonder why they aren't responding about this anymore.

I'd love to discuss this bug, and fixes / mods for it, civilly, but that just doesn't seem to be possible anymore.

[Lord Surinen]

Thank you.

 

I feel pretty strongly about the arm issue, but I've more or less peaced out of participating in this thread because it's gone from discussing a bug to just mud-slinging left and right, and that's not helping the devs' impression that everyone who dislikes this bug is unhinged and unreasonable. And people wonder why they aren't responding about this anymore.

Anymore? They were not responding since the beginning - we got total 2 messages. In fact, if not for a more straightforward tactics we most probably would not get any answer. It is funny now, after few weeks to write such things but back then when Mister Allan appeared for a second and never came here after, the moods were much different. I get that most of you guys decided to get on compromise wagon and started to play the game the way it is not supposed to be. It is fine. I know it has cooled your emotions, that is also fine. It is not fine though to call mud-slinging unreasonable. What else is there, bend over wail and wait until fix arrive, if it arrive? Wait it in silence while the thread gets forgotten? Its main function is to talk about one and the same thing. Many of us have agreed to do it. It is the only thing we can do, bash it and bash it more.It is not as if we are going to fix it ourselves. We just keep it alive and spread news about this bug.

 

Sorry, this is not a thread about the mods fixing it. I have made this topic with official fix in mind. We are all talking civilly, I don't see here vulgarity nor uncalled personal attacks.

 

It just starts to look like other threads: those who truly care and those who play their game and bind their time with it 'come on guys it is cool be cool and wait, yes wait, they know what they are doing, be cool, its cool, they have released game in horrible state but be cool because it is cool to be cool and it is reasonably more cool than not, groovy homies'

[prosthetic soul]

First DA 2

Then ME 3.

Now DA:I with its focus on DLC for multiplayer, bugs galore, animation glitches, terrible loot and customization, and botched character models. 

 

Three strikes and you're out BioWare. 

[tmp7704]

Well, it doesn't need to be completely redone, only rescaled. If a game doesn't call for anything particularly outlandish or cartoonish / stylized then the same base humanoid mesh is going to be used across all character options. Just with different scaling / deformation. If elves are skinnier humans, Qunari are beefier humans and Dwarves are shorter stout humans there's no sense in all 4 having their own wholly unique mesh. That just means more resource usage and technical uniformity issues.

They are in fact all unique meshes. As in, separate models with separate files. While these models are basically deformations of single appearance, these deformations aren't done dynamically by the game engine, but by the modeler in a 3d program.

There can be quite a few reasons for that, and they do make sense from certain viewpoints. Even though it comes with the cost of extra work in preparing these meshes.

[Lord Surinen]

First DA 2

Then ME 3.

Now DA:I with its focus on DLC for multiplayer, bugs galore, animation glitches, terrible loot and customization, and botched character models. 

 

Three strikes and you're out BioWare. 

Don't say it this way! It is 'unreasonable'! Yes, I agree with you. It is final pre-order BW product for me. I have paid quite a lot of money for this game, I have no intentions to get over it being served half cooked. I remember the first time I have launched the game I thought it was only my problem. I thought 'oops Surinen, playing with console is bad for a tech laic like you' but then I have found other people speaking about it. To be perfectly honest I thought that my elf is going to look like Solas, but nope.

[Lord Surinen]

Varric: What a nice pair of broken arms, come on, show it

Inquisitor: Ohhh you

 

[Jibana]

Inquisitor: Varric, my arms are broken, pls help!

Varric: *sigh*

 

 

@ Lord Surinen: That screenshot would match the issue better, don't you think? But nevertheless I like MY character.

[scyme]

 . . . 
I feel pretty strongly about the arm issue, but I've more or less peaced out of participating in this thread because it's gone from discussing a bug to just mud-slinging left and right, and that's not helping the devs' impression that everyone who dislikes this bug is unhinged and unreasonable. And people wonder why they aren't responding about this anymore.

I'd love to discuss this bug, and fixes / mods for it, civilly, but that just doesn't seem to be possible anymore.

 

I respect your opinion but I find myself unable to discern that lack of civility you are talking about, especially compared to other threads on this forum. Again, my impression only. 

 

Sure, some people get frustrated and I think it is perfectly understandable. I just beat the game with my female elf and I am very pleased with what BW has done in regards to elven lore and its role in DAI, good job. However, my male elf is currently sitting in Val Royeaux because it is just way too painful to look at his arms during cutscenes. On top of that, some of the available armor in-game makes him look like a deranged monkey, begging the question how on earth did that ever get past QC. 

This game is to me, in its current state, like a beautiful painting with several white spots on the canvas. You can see the big picture but its just not quite done. And the longer I look at it the harder it gets to ignore those missing spots. 

[Nefla]

As much as I hate the male elf body, the game has bigger problems (such as many people not being able to even launch the game) that should be fixed first and BW is getting tons of complaints for several things (some legit such as poor ai tactics and some unreasonable like asking for extra classes that were never in the previous games) I can see why they wouldn't reply to every issue. Not to mention BW employees are human beings and should be able to spend the holidays with their families as well as not working themselves to death.

I hope they end up letting us change the Skyhold outfit, that would satisfy me enough since many armies hide this issue.

[Lord Surinen]

Inquisitor: Varric, my arms are broken, pls help!

Varric: *sigh*

 

 

@ Lord Surinen: That screenshot would match the issue better, don't you think? But nevertheless I like MY character.

Oui-Oui, you are perfectly right. It does show the issue stronger, but we have plenty of similar screenshots(and of course more are welcome to appear here!) and I wanted to show some unique one aaand that one of yours is quite a perfect match. No matter how you look at it, from any angle, his arms are broken. He does not look bad, with these arms he can try to get into next Exorcist movie, spider walk 100%.

 

 

As much as I hate the male elf body, the game has bigger problems (such as many people not being able to even launch the game) that should be fixed first and BW is getting tons of complaints for several things (some legit such as poor ai tactics and some unreasonable like asking for extra classes that were never in the previous games) I can see why they wouldn't reply to every issue. Not to mention BW employees are human beings and should be able to spend the holidays with their families as well as not working themselves to death.

I hope they end up letting us change the Skyhold outfit, that would satisfy me enough since many armies hide this issue.

For those who want to play as male elves this is quite a large problem. Of course there is plenty of other bugs but shouldn't different teams respond to them? Artists do artists job and cosmonauts do the stars.

 

I do not share you sympathy for BioWare. They have released a botched product. In my opinion, there is no place for holidays in such situation.Some might say 'only a game', but this 'only a game' is a part of multi million business. It is not uncommon to skip holidays to finish/fix/do work you were given.

[Blue_Shayde]

Yeah, I don't get why the moderator is warning is about being civil. I haven't seen a lack of civility in this thread. In fact, I've seen more heated arguments, and been part of them, in other threads. This topic thread is fairly tame and mellow.

 

Anyways...I'm going to do it. I'm going to restart DAI now. My button finger is poised for clicking. Wish me luck on trying to perfectly recreate my elf Sevant a second time. I shall return with pictures...maybe...if I find things to snap pics of.