lol agreed! If they fixed the broken arms and made the shoulders 30% wider I'd be happy
I'm not tech-software savvy but they can at least give Solas body to PC. Quick swap that would save aesthetic taste of many people. It really is not pleasant to watch broken arms. I know I repeat myself almost every post but these arms are broken. I've seen plenty of fractures that looked better than what elves have. Unsettling.
Small update to illustrate certain problems:
Wow, it's been a long time since I've posted anything, or even really looked at the forum (avoiding spoilers... and still doing so, I won't have a chance to play the game for a little while yet), but I felt the need to comment on this topic.
As far as the frailness/thinness of the male elf PC, I'm sure that's as designed. It's not how I, personally, would have designed it, but that's ok. This is not I thing I feel compelled to nitpick, as there are other choices for me if I don't like this one.
However, based on some of the screenshots I've seen, I can say with a fair degree of certainty that there has to be something wrong. The broken arms and clipping isn't something that they would intentionally ship the game with. I suppose you could say I'm tech saavy. I teach computer animation at a university (I'm an adjunct, I have no delusions about my skill level). My strength is not in character work, but I'm versed in it enough to think that there must be something going on. And I know that shoulders are the freaking hardest thing to rig. Some of these look like the joints in the shoulders or the collar bone joints got offset somehow. You guys say that it's only during certain animations where the arms look broken? Such as the walk or idle motions? Or is it only certain armor pieces? One of those screenshots with the elvish armor looks fantastic, so what's wrong with these others?
If this were my bug (if it is indeed a bug, I have no idea) to fix, this is what I would be checking in no particular order: The mo cap data (specifically with this rig) - mo cap data is a butt to work with sometimes, and I fully believe that it can randomly freak out. Gremlins love mo cap data. There could also be something wrong with the the weighting/skinning, but if it's only sometimes (and they didn't catch it), that would seem weird to me. I suppose if it's only on certain pieces of armor, they might have neglected to weight those pieces completely? The rig itself... but if there's some offset issue, they absolutely should have caught that. If it's only sometimes, then maybe it's a loading issue (could that be related to the other loading issues, like the game thinking you're the wrong class or race or gender?).
Bah. I don't really know. I feel bad trying to guess when I don't have all the information and the people working there have tons more experience than I do (I'm more of a previs/concept development person, and a fairly recent graduate at that).
What I can say, is that this is not an easy fix. Well, unless it's a loading issue I suppose (I'm not a programmer), but model adjustments in particular isn't something that I would think could be fixed in a patch. Unless it was a huge patch. Plus, aesthetic concerns I'm sure take a backseat to the other bugs that seem to be going around. Even just snatching Solas' model would mean redoing all the animations and that's just... not a thing I would expect them to do.
Here I am speculating all over the place. I'd rather just have a conversation with someone who does know, because I feel like I'm sounding accusatory when really I'm just curious about it. Learning opportunity, maybe. As I said, I'm not really a character person. I have just enough knowledge for it to be dangerous, haha.
ok, that was long and rambly and didn't actually say anything... *awkwardly shuffles away...*
Wow, it's been a long time since I've posted anything, or even really looked at the forum (avoiding spoilers... and still doing so, I won't have a chance to play the game for a little while yet), but I felt the need to comment on this topic.
As far as the frailness/thinness of the male elf PC, I'm sure that's as designed. It's not how I, personally, would have designed it, but that's ok. This is not I thing I feel compelled to nitpick, as there are other choices for me if I don't like this one.
However, based on some of the screenshots I've seen, I can say with a fair degree of certainty that there has to be something wrong. The broken arms and clipping isn't something that they would intentionally ship the game with. I suppose you could say I'm tech saavy. I teach computer animation at a university (I'm an adjunct, I have no delusions about my skill level). My strength is not in character work, but I'm versed in it enough to think that there must be something going on. And I know that shoulders are the freaking hardest thing to rig. Some of these look like the joints in the shoulders or the collar bone joints got offset somehow. You guys say that it's only during certain animations where the arms look broken? Such as the walk or idle motions? Or is it only certain armor pieces? One of those screenshots with the elvish armor looks fantastic, so what's wrong with these others?
If this were my bug (if it is indeed a bug, I have no idea) to fix, this is what I would be checking in no particular order: The mo cap data (specifically with this rig) - mo cap data is a butt to work with sometimes, and I fully believe that it can randomly freak out. Gremlins love mo cap data. There could also be something wrong with the the weighting/skinning, but if it's only sometimes (and they didn't catch it), that would seem weird to me. I suppose if it's only on certain pieces of armor, they might have neglected to weight those pieces completely? The rig itself... but if there's some offset issue, they absolutely should have caught that. If it's only sometimes, then maybe it's a loading issue (could that be related to the other loading issues, like the game thinking you're the wrong class or race or gender?).
Bah. I don't really know. I feel bad trying to guess when I don't have all the information and the people working there have tons more experience than I do (I'm more of a previs/concept development person, and a fairly recent graduate at that).
What I can say, is that this is not an easy fix. Well, unless it's a loading issue I suppose (I'm not a programmer), but model adjustments in particular isn't something that I would think could be fixed in a patch. Unless it was a huge patch. Plus, aesthetic concerns I'm sure take a backseat to the other bugs that seem to be going around. Even just snatching Solas' model would mean redoing all the animations and that's just... not a thing I would expect them to do.
Here I am speculating all over the place. I'd rather just have a conversation with someone who does know, because I feel like I'm sounding accusatory when really I'm just curious about it. Learning opportunity, maybe. As I said, I'm not really a character person. I have just enough knowledge for it to be dangerous, haha.
ok, that was long and rambly and didn't actually say anything... *awkwardly shuffles away...*
I have not played enough to tell when it exactly occurs. You have said about making new animations if they take Solas's model. I thought that Solas have all the required animations---at least for mages. I forgot there are other classes
I have not played enough to tell when it exactly occurs. You have said about making new animations if they take Solas's model. I thought that Solas have all the required animations---at least for mages. I forgot there are other classes
Other classes, yes. Also, cinematics. The main motions might be the same, but tiny differences in, say, shoulder width can mean that hands are not where they should be and suddenly you have clipping all over, or weapons are floating just off of where the hands are, or similar issues.
EDIT: Not to mention camera work. Ugh.
Other classes, yes. Also, cinematics. The main motions might be the same, but tiny differences in, say, shoulder width can mean that hands are not where they should be and suddenly you have clipping all over, or weapons are floating just off of where the hands are, or similar issues.
EDIT: Not to mention camera work. Ugh.
So you say that I should not expect fix for it even though it is a botched work?
So you say that I should not expect fix for it even though it is a botched work?
I'm saying that it depends on what's wrong, I suppose. I can't speak for them, and even though I just gave my own speculations, I have no idea what's wrong, really. I am neither trying to accuse or defend them. Worse case scenario, this is an issue that's too widespread in the code or would require too many hours of labor to be worth it, to them, to fix (I vaguely remember something about an accidentally low-res Garrus face texture having a similar issue - it could be fixed, but the work required and the patch for it would be massive).
Would I like to see it addressed? Yes, certainly. But I haven't played the game, I don't know how often the issue seems to pop up, or even if they consider it an issue, and how they might prioritize it, so I don't know if it's reasonable to expect anything at this point.
TL;DR: I don't know.
I'm saying that it depends on what's wrong, I suppose. I can't speak for them, and even though I just gave my own speculations, I have no idea what's wrong, really. I am neither trying to accuse or defend them. Worse case scenario, this is an issue that's too widespread in the code or would require too many hours of labor to be worth it, to them, to fix (I vaguely remember something about an accidentally low-res Garrus face texture having a similar issue - it could be fixed, but the work required and the patch for it would be massive).
Would I like to see it addressed? Yes, certainly. But I haven't played the game, I don't know how often the issue seems to pop up, or even if they consider it an issue, and how they might prioritize it, so I don't know if it's reasonable to expect anything at this point.
TL;DR: I don't know.
From what I gather, it happens most of the time in most armours. The biggest problem is that it occurs during talk scenes and well, as you see, break immersion - at least for me it does it.
PLEASE BE ADVISED: VIDEO CONTAINS SPOILERS!
Same user who uploaded the last Cassandra Romance vid I posted.
I realise Male Elf PC with longer hair look like women from the back in the skyhold outfit, and then again.. in the front as well cus of the Elf Moobs :x
It can be seen right at the start of the vid when hes smoochin it up with Cass.
It may ease the majority of DAI players if the option to keep on equipped armors was given to us. That way, it kills two birds with one stone by allowing us elf inquisitors to hide the disfigured shoulder and arm structure, as well as allow the players who just want to look more badass in their armor whilst passing judgement on his/her throne. Though it may not fix the clipping issues and the vejita's syndrome, I believe it will be a step taken forward in calming the rising Elven Rebellion on the forums.
PLEASE BE ADVISED: VIDEO CONTAINS SPOILERS!
Same user who uploaded the last Cassandra Romance vid I posted.
I realise Male Elf PC with longer hair look like women from the back in the skyhold outfit, and then again.. in the front as well cus of the Elf Moobs :x
It can be seen right at the start of the vid when hes smoochin it up with Cass.
It may ease the majority of DAI players if the option to keep on equipped armors was given to us. That way, it kills two birds with one stone by allowing us elf inquisitors to hide the disfigured shoulder and arm structure, as well as allow the players who just want to look more badass in their armor whilst passing judgement on his/her throne. Though it may not fix the clipping issues and the vejita's syndrome, I believe it will be a step taken forward in calming the rising Elven Rebellion on the forums.
I will not watch video to avoid spoilers, but I have already been exposed to male elf's breasts.
I fully agree with the rest. Preferably I would rather have them fixed than covered with armour but it is better than nothing.
In fact I have my own suggestion: BioWare, please give unique skyhold attire to male elves as compensation for their disfigured bodies.
STOP THE VEJITA'S SYNDROME 2014
Some of these pictures made me LOL. But it is only funny because it is true.
I had to completely ditch the idea of playing an elf after seeing them in-game. I was hoping to return to the possibility in another playthrough but seeing all these other images in this thread...
Stick a fork in them, cause they are done.
(ETA: Why oh why did Bioware bring back the "ugly" elves from DA2?? No one liked them then, no one likes them now)
Some of these pictures made me LOL. But it is only funny because it is true.
I had to completely ditch the idea of playing an elf after seeing them in-game. I was hoping to return to the possibility in another playthrough but seeing all these other images in this thread...
Stick a fork in them, cause they are done.
(ETA: Why oh why did Bioware bring back the "ugly" elves from DA2?? No one liked them then, no one likes them now)
I'm asking myself a question: how did these fractures go past quality check?
As I have expressed multiple times, I have no problems with aesthetic choices and similarity between DA:I and DAII elves, but shoulders and bugged arms are too much.
I'm happy to be busy right now because I have not touched DA:I since its launch. I'm waiting for BioWare response and patch that will save elvish players from these broken creatures out of nightmares.
More screenshots with different armours to illustrate how wide spread this problem is.
Someone had mentioned this issue but I hadn't yet seen it since I bailed on my attempt to make a good looking male elf. But this is brutal. Did BW run out of time after making the female elf and just copied it and called it "male". All bad.
#noboobsonmaleelves
And just realized I misspelled elves on the image. Oops.
Someone had mentioned this issue but I hadn't yet seen it since I bailed on my attempt to make a good looking male elf. But this is brutal. Did BW run out of time after making the female elf and just copied it and called it "male". All bad.
#noboobsonmaleelves
And just realized I misspelled elves on the image. Oops.
What is this madness? Weird, very much weird. Weird.
Bioware really are discouraging us to play as male elves, aren't they ?
More screenshots with different armours to illustrate how wide spread this problem is.
Someone had mentioned this issue but I hadn't yet seen it since I bailed on my attempt to make a good looking male elf. But this is brutal. Did BW run out of time after making the female elf and just copied it and called it "male". All bad.
#noboobsonmaleelves
And just realized I misspelled elves on the image. Oops.
Bioware really are discouraging us to play as male elves, aren't they ?
Their silence in this matter definately is not encouraging. This I know for sure.
Haha! I can hear my grandma slapping his back and telling him "stomach in! Chest out! Stand straight!" XD Male elf PCs has got a permanent slouch on them.
Good lord!! My first glance told me that was a woman *-* I showed it to my colleagues and they all thought the same too :x The Elf Moobs are really pronounced upclose. Well, at least now we have a female romance option with Cass haha! Lemonade with lemons aye?
At least their clothes are superb. BioWare's artists should think about creating new fashion trends. I would wear it. Most of their gear I would wear to be honest.
After a closer inspection, female elves have bigger attributes.
He must really hates his ribs, rubbing them with arms all the time. Maybe long lost and forgotten art of plastic surgery hailing the very times of Arlathan.
Can I just say to those who keep claiming that elves are supposed to look small and frail and meek........no. Maybe if it was a city elf, sure. But you play a Dalish elf. Dalish who live nomadic lives, roaming from spot to spot, fishing and hunting for food, practicing combat...
If Solas can wander from ruin to ruin and spend most of his time sleeping so he can peruse around in the fade, and still look that well built, why does my male Dalish not at least match up? What happened to the totally awesome cc model of female and male elf busts found on the wiki?
As a side note, other then complaining about my male elf looking like a stick (as the main character, I feel my male or female 'hero' aught to at least look the part...), the arms are broken. Its simply baffling that such an issue with the character rigging passed under BW's nose.
I have this crackpot conspiracy theory that they made the elf bodies and Qunari hair so bad on purpose so we wont ask for them again and will be satisfied with a forced human protagonist in all future games the way DA2 was 
I have this crackpot conspiracy theory that they made the elf bodies and Qunari hair so bad on purpose so we wont ask for them again and will be satisfied with a forced human protagonist in all future games the way DA2 was
The Dwarves look just fine...
I mean DAI had so much on Elven lore. With what we know now, I doubt they would just not allow you to make an Elven main character in the future.
Can I just say to those who keep claiming that elves are supposed to look small and frail and meek........no. Maybe if it was a city elf, sure. But you play a Dalish elf. Dalish who live nomadic lives, roaming from spot to spot, fishing and hunting for food, practicing combat...
If Solas can wander from ruin to ruin and spend most of his time sleeping so he can peruse around in the fade, and still look that well built, why does my male Dalish not at least match up?
What happened to the totally awesome cc model of female and male elf busts found on the wiki?
As a side note, other then complaining about my male elf looking like a stick (as the main character, I feel my male or female 'hero' aught to at least look the part...), the arms are broken. Its simply baffling that such an issue with the character rigging passed under BW's nose.
Broken arms must go away.
I have this crackpot conspiracy theory that they made the elf bodies and Qunari hair so bad on purpose so we wont ask for them again and will be satisfied with a forced human protagonist in all future games the way DA2 was
Elves get more and more important. Unfortunately not our elves.
The Dwarves look just fine...
I mean DAI had so much on Elven lore. With what we know now, I doubt they would just not allow you to make an Elven main character in the future.
Yes. I'm sleepy, but yes, I agree. Now I want my elf fixed.
Someone had mentioned this issue but I hadn't yet seen it since I bailed on my attempt to make a good looking male elf. But this is brutal. Did BW run out of time after making the female elf and just copied it and called it "male". All bad.
#noboobsonmaleelves
And just realized I misspelled elves on the image. Oops.
Yeah, it looks like they used the same body for male and female elves.
I'm currently rolling a female elf, and I don't think she looks too bad......but, I highly doubt I'll ever play a male elf.
Ugh.
The Dwarves look just fine...
I mean DAI had so much on Elven lore. With what we know now, I doubt they would just not allow you to make an Elven main character in the future.
I forgot to include dwarves though (there must be something secretly wrong with them!)
I have this crackpot conspiracy theory that they made the elf bodies and Qunari hair so bad on purpose so we wont ask for them again and will be satisfied with a forced human protagonist in all future games the way DA2 was
They can try their hardest, its to much fun to actually play an Elf and a Mage in the Dragon Age Universe. You really get a feel for the darker bits of the world, like the prejudice and distrust. You also feel a little more connected to the plights of both mages and elves. Plus, you play human characters in almost all games. Its boring. I like when my fantasy games give me a chance to be something other then human.
On a side note, I've figured out why the male elf model has such broken arms. Its all Iron Bull's fault. He got a bit frisky over the ale one night, gave your male elf a big bear hug that was just a little TO tight, and now you're deformed for life. 
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