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[Blue_Shayde]

I tend to find Solas the more preferable example of what we should have got for elves this time around. But again, I stress that my biggest concerns are the broken arm rigging in male elves and the forced skyhold outfit attire. (which also happens to be your character's underwear, after you strip away all their armor. )

 

I mean...lets face it...My Sevant is sexy as the Fade in the battlemage armor.

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*waggles eyebrows*

 

Also extremely flexible...

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god that's painful looking.

 

 

 

The way I cut it is, the body proportions are the same they were in DA2, so it makes complains which specifically mention Fenris as example of how things should be done instead a little funny.

Also, the DA2 elves were still relatively hideous. You just got used to it and thanks to Fenris's armor and NON-broken arms, he looked all right. But we've got PC running around, with broken arms, in a horrible default outfit, with an amazingly good looking Solas next to him as if taunting us.

[tmp7704]

I understand that race plays a factor in their physique, but that has next to nothing to do with the proportions that seems to change randomly depending on what you're wearing. Why is it that in those pictures I posted the elf's head is so large and disproportionate to the rest of his body, whereas those posted by Blue_Shayde aren't like this at all (well, not really). It's the inconsistency that is the issue.
I've got a feeling it comes down to certain armor types. The elf male in Inquisition may have the same model as Fenris and Solas, but it still seems to 'break' sometimes (ala the arms clipping *through* the body).

I suspect this is impression caused largely by different hair styles -- your elf has lot of extra hair on the side of his head (and all the screenshots are also focused on this side) which makes the head visually wider, and consequently the shoulders feel more narrow. Note how the pictures Blue_Shayde posted the elf has way less hair, and Solas is lacking that part completely.

For what's worth, I loaded the inquisitor's coat into 3d program to check it out. There doesn't seem to be any mysterious change in size going on:



as you can see, it lines up just fine with the nude male elf mesh (the black wireframe). And when the hair is not present the size of his head doesn't seem too outrageous, imo. Of course your mileage may vary.

(edit: the arms placed lower when certain gloves model is used, that's pretty definitely a bug, and imo it's part of this whole 'broken arms' thing that needs fixing. My comment was mainly regarding any possible changes going to the main part of the armour, which I don't think is happening)

[Kiitosu]

I suspect this is impression caused largely by different hair styles -- your elf has lot of extra hair on the side of his head (and all the screenshots are also focused on this side) which makes the head visually wider, and consequently the shoulders feel more narrow. Note how the pictures Blue_Shayde posted the elf has way less hair, and Solas is lacking that part completely.

For what's worth, I loaded the inquisitor's coat into 3d program to check it out. There doesn't seem to be any mysterious change in size going on:



as you can see, it lines up just fine with the nude male elf mesh (the black wireframe). And when the hair is not present the size of his head doesn't seem too outrageous, imo. Of course your mileage may vary.

(edit: the arms placed lower when certain gloves model is used, that's pretty definitely a bug, and imo it's part of this whole 'broken arms' thing that needs fixing. My comment was mainly regarding any possible changes going to the main part of the armour, which I don't think is happening)

Elves look fine in 3ds max/ other 3d modelling program of your choice, even from their side. But somehow they go weird in the game

[Fundamentalist Nail]

Yeah I don't deny that there is anything wrong with the model. It's its implementation into the game/animation.
And since there's no way to test these things at various points in the game (like cutscenes and whatnot), I can see how people can get frustrated by the fact that the models display as they should in third party programs.

But I can say that there is just something off about the proportions. They change quite dramatically at different points. I might actually compile some screenshots of my own each time it happens (at the moment I'm going by observation of others' posts).

[Blue_Shayde]

Elves look fine in 3ds max/ other 3d modelling program of your choice, even from their side. But somehow they go weird in the game

I'm still pretty sure its the rigging. Fix that and dump the skyhold outfit, and life will be wonderful.

 

After all, when your arms do this for most of the game...

 

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You're character is going to appear weird, awkward, shrunken down, weak, etc...

 

even the female npc is just staring like wtf?

 

 

 

Anyway, now I want to test this theory about hair by making a bald elf and seeing if I notice any difference...

[Fundamentalist Nail]

Allow me a brief off-topic segue:

Happy 2015 from Australia, the land of the shitey government and increased prices on video games...as well as some other stuff that is pretty good, actually.
I promise I will reveal no spoilers.

[Blue_Shayde]

Allow me a brief off-topic segue:

Happy 2015 from Australia, the land of the shitey government and increased prices on video games...as well as some other stuff that is pretty good, actually.
I promise I will reveal no spoilers.

Hee hee...same to you, from the USA, land of the shitey government and corporate pandering. /shot

[BaroqueOut]

I understand that race plays a factor in their physique, but that has next to nothing to do with the proportions that seems to change randomly depending on what you're wearing. Why is it that in those pictures I posted the elf's head is so large and disproportionate to the rest of his body, whereas those posted by Blue_Shayde aren't like this at all (well, not really). It's the inconsistency that is the issue.

I've got a feeling it comes down to certain armor types. 

 

I can't seem to find the post from earlier in the thread, but someone explained that the problem IS with different armor models.

 

Armor models that use the human body/proportions as a 'base' are the ones that make elves look more proportional. For example, the mercenary armor you wear in the prologue section makes male elves actually look proportional and muscular -- because the armor uses a human base. That seems to be true of a lot of unique armor models, like the Grey Warden armor. That's why they look so much better on male elves, arm bug aside.

 

Meanwhile, armor models that are based on the Inquisitor's actual racial bodytype are the ones that go all wonky on male elves. IE the ones that use the pajama outfit as a "base", like the set you just posted. If you can see the dumb pajamas peeking out underneath the armor, chances are very high it's going to make your male elf look really silly, because it's based on their default body rather than using human proportions.

 

That's why Sera also looks so good and proportional, because her body model is the female human's, scaled down.

 

Hopefully ANY of that makes sense, I'm not sure if I'm explaining properly. Basically the best way to have your elves look less like they're malnourished is to try to find unique armor. Which is sad.

[BaroqueOut]

That said, it's funny how other male elves in the game can wear form-fitting armor, but they don't look anywhere near as awkwardly proportioned as the PC.

 

Take Abelas for example: (Possible spoilers, idk. It's just gifs without text or context, but he's a late-game character.)

 

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He uses the normal male elf body, and there he is in spandex, looking like a pimp. How is it he can manage that, but the male elf PC in his pajamas looks like an 8 year old child. Teach me your ancient elf voodoo, Abelas.

[Blue_Shayde]

That said, it's funny how other male elves in the game can wear form-fitting armor, but they don't look anywhere near as awkwardly proportioned as the PC.

 

Take Abelas for example: (Possible spoilers, idk. It's just gifs without text or context, but he's a late-game character.)

 

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He uses the normal male elf body, and there he is in spandex, looking like a pimp. How is it he can manage that, but the male elf PC in his pajamas looks like an 8 year old child. Teach me your ancient elf voodoo, Abelas.

Hmm...well, the lower half of the body on male elves is just fine and well modeled. And thankfully, his upper body armor has enough layers plus the shoulder pads to look good and hide any issues. Also, his arms aren't gluing to his body. They are, in fact, properly bending out and back in like arms should, and not like the pc elves arms have been.

[tmp7704]

That said, it's funny how other male elves in the game can wear form-fitting armor, but they don't look anywhere near as awkwardly proportioned as the PC.
 
Take Abelas for example: (Possible spoilers, idk. It's just gifs without text or context, but he's a late-game character.)

It's the shoulder pads. Similar to Fenris' armour they disguise actual body shape and make it appear wider at the shoulders than it really is.

[Blue_Shayde]

So very true. On a side note, I went ahead with making a bald elf real quick to compare head size...

 

 

Honestly, for me it still seems like the head is a bit to big on the body, even for a bald elf. But again, I really think its the skyhold outfit and armor based on the skyhold outfit. The arm bending inward where a straight solid bone should be is still the biggest thing that bugs me though.

[tmp7704]

Yeah, if the arm thing got fixed it'd really help with the other issues some perceive there, I think. Hopefully BW people can track that down and repair in time for the next patch.

[Blue_Shayde]

Yeah, if the arm thing got fixed it'd really help with the other issues some perceive there, I think. Hopefully BW people can track that down and repair in time for the next patch.

Agreed. If even one thing is off or out of proportion, it came make the whole image seem wrong. Its the fun of being an artist, staring at your work knowing something is off but unable to pinpoint the exact offender.

 

Slightly off-topic, but did anyone else panic and think of the DAO murder knife when Cassandra pulled this thing out at the start of the game...?

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Everytime I do the starting part of the game, part of me still thinks she's about to shank me.

 

Yeah, I went to delete my bald elf file and accidentally deleted my Sevant. So woot, got to recreate him...AGAIN. And this time, I think I've finally perfected his face. Aka, I shrank his nose a tiny bit so its not such a honker.

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This nose used to stick out a lot more, cause I used default nose. I shrunk it into the face a bit more for a more natural looking profile...

 

[Chaos17]

I suspect this is impression caused largely by different hair styles -- your elf has lot of extra hair on the side of his head (and all the screenshots are also focused on this side) which makes the head visually wider, and consequently the shoulders feel more narrow. Note how the pictures Blue_Shayde posted the elf has way less hair, and Solas is lacking that part completely.

For what's worth, I loaded the inquisitor's coat into 3d program to check it out. There doesn't seem to be any mysterious change in size going on:



as you can see, it lines up just fine with the nude male elf mesh (the black wireframe). And when the hair is not present the size of his head doesn't seem too outrageous, imo. Of course your mileage may vary.

(edit: the arms placed lower when certain gloves model is used, that's pretty definitely a bug, and imo it's part of this whole 'broken arms' thing that needs fixing. My comment was mainly regarding any possible changes going to the main part of the armour, which I don't think is happening)

Yeah, Kittosu said that our best bet is to look at the animation of the model but unfortunaly for now the toolki doesn't allow that.

The coder said he can't figure out their format.

Do you think you can help him ?

If yes, please visit the modders forum : http://daitools.free...s.org/index.php

[Blue_Shayde]

Yeah, Kittosu said that our best bet is to look at the animation of the model but unfortunaly for now the toolki doesn't allow that.

The coder said he can't figure out their format.

Do you think you can help him ?

If yes, please visit the modders forum : http://daitools.free...s.org/index.php

Well, I have some hope that after the holidays, BW will put out some more patches that include a fix for this. Or it could be the daiquiri I'm sipping on. *shrugs* 2015, people. Here's to a new year!

[Lord Surinen]

Well, I have some hope that after the holidays, BW will put out some more patches that include a fix for this. Or it could be the daiquiri I'm sipping on. *shrugs* 2015, people. Here's to a new year!

We should get some information today, right? Right? RIGHT?!

[Lord Raijin]

Sight.... This is why you shouldn't alter something that doesn't need to be altered in the first place. If it isn't broken, why fix it? The elves in this game (Inquisition that is) sucks. Perhaps using a new engine wasn't such a good idea after all.

 

 

[Blue_Shayde]

That moment you learn something about characters or game lore, and you feel like you've personally been taken for a fool. (not in a bad way, though. surprisingly.) This game certainly has expanded on elven lore.

 

 

I'd post more picks, but at the moment, most of the glitches I've seen are what we've seen plenty of already. Unless you count this...

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Floating hand of doom! Poor Sevant, his arm must be getting tired being held up like that.

This is what happens when you use the same animation for everyone and not adjust the animation according to body size changes?

[Tielis]

I had to stop my male Lavellan playthrough.  I could put him in some decent looking armor to hide his tiny shoulders, and I could enable CheatEngine to get rid of the Skyhold pyjamas, but I could not fix his broken arms.  I just can't deal with it anymore.

 

And here are two screenshots of two different lady elves in two different armors who do not have the broken arm problem.  Please, BioWare, fix the male elves!!!

 

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[Sergwynn]

[Tielis]

This may be a related problem:

 

[SpiritMuse]

I suspect this is impression caused largely by different hair styles -- your elf has lot of extra hair on the side of his head (and all the screenshots are also focused on this side) which makes the head visually wider, and consequently the shoulders feel more narrow. Note how the pictures Blue_Shayde posted the elf has way less hair, and Solas is lacking that part completely.For what's worth, I loaded the inquisitor's coat into 3d program to check it out. There doesn't seem to be any mysterious change in size going on:as you can see, it lines up just fine with the nude male elf mesh (the black wireframe). And when the hair is not present the size of his head doesn't seem too outrageous, imo. Of course your mileage may vary.(edit: the arms placed lower when certain gloves model is used, that's pretty definitely a bug, and imo it's part of this whole 'broken arms' thing that needs fixing. My comment was mainly regarding any possible changes going to the main part of the armour, which I don't think is happening)

You know, if you look at the arms on that, they're looking pretty crooked even there. With the large muscle bump on the shoulder, the narrower, leaner part on the upper arm, and the widening again at the elbow, it makes it look like the upper arm is curved in a way it shouldn't be.

[Blue_Shayde]

 

*bursts into giggles at this* I'm not sure what's worse. That hat on Solas or the Inquisitor getting so tenderly decapitated.

 

Still...how is it the Inquisitor is in her armor at the ball in this picture? Is that another plus of the cheat engine's armor in skyhold functionality?

[Xhaiden]

Having gotten 30 hours into my Elf playthrough I'm going to be brutally honest: It's not actually that bad. But by the same measure I can't quite put my finger on why. Sure, the PJs are meh, but they're meh on everyone. At some point though the hands to the groin thing stopped.

 

I'm almost tempted to say its a problem in the early cutscenes themselves I thought maybe certain armours were fixing the problem but I wore the same armour in what has to be the single most problematic scene in the game ( Walking into Val Royeux when your arms mysteriously get sucked into your groin in the second scene ) and in later scenes and it stopped. It also hasn't happened at all that I can recall when wearing rogue armour or Dalish armour. Yes, the Inquisitor's posture can still be stiff here and there but he's not snapping his collarbones and having his hands sucked into his groin either.

 

Its either that or it only effects very specific armour/scene combinations and I have been stupidly lucky in my wardrobe choices so far.