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[LunaFancy]

At this point it would be nice to hear that some people are working on this, hell, ONE person working on it would be more promising than the void we are experiencing.

[Xhaiden]

I'm with Lord Surinen about the MP.

Those ressources could've been used elsewhere and I really dislike that MP have been promised free DLCs in the futur while there is a low chance that would be the case for SP.

 

No, they couldn't, because those resources are specialized for multiplayer development. They already greatly assisted in combat mechanic testing. Which is about the full extent of help they could provide the main game. They cannot do **** about fixing elf arms or other rigging and cinematic problems even if you told them too.

 

Furthermore, creating new content for single player is a whole different beast than new content for multiplayer. "New" content for multiplayer will continue to be adding existing single player content to multiplayer ( that was literally about all the multplayer dlc was ). New single player content however means entirely new story content, etc. Which is a completely different level of undertaking.

 

 

 

But they can create environments with the already existing assets.

 

Yes, and still SP lacks armour variety while MP receives new ones; already existing in the game or not, it does not matter to me.

 

I have no problems with people enjoying it nor I feel like a victim. I'm a disappointec customer who sees vile distribution of assets.

 

I disagree. Well, people like to write books.

 

The main game is not lacking in enviroments. Christ, if there's one realm the main game is not lacking in any way whatsoever its enviroments. It takes 80+ hours at least to explore every inch of the game as is.

 

It should matter to you because if it doesn't you are outright denying reality just so you can be angry. MP has far less armour variety than SP even with the "new" armours that were added.

 

There is no "vile" distribution of assets. If you want to be completely irrational and continue to screech in the face of repeated explainations of how game development works, that's your perogative. But it totally undermines any position or opinion you hold as well as makes you the sort of customer companies do not listen to.

 

I can tell you from experience from the other side of this fence that acting the way you do as a "customer" gets any legitimate concerns you have dismissed or ignored. If you can't act like a reasonable adult you won't be considered one. The benefit of your continued business is outweighed by the continued cost of dealing with you both financially and from a HR standpoint. You become a net loss to the company and a pariah to its staff that have to deal with you. As well as a pariah to the community whose support you need when investigating and presenting technical issues like this one.

 

 

 

[Xhaiden]

At this point it would be nice to hear that some people are working on this, hell, ONE person working on it would be more promising than the void we are experiencing.

 

But we do know they are working on it. We also know why it likely happened.

[LunaFancy]

But we do know they are working on it. We also know why it likely happened.

 

No, we don't. This is the last we've heard from Bioware on the subject.

 

I quickly loaded up the game and snapped a screencap, and this is what the elf looks like to start:

 

Spoiler

 

So (at least to me) not all elves are created with disjointed arms!  But it does seem like some combinations of armors can cause this.

 

Where does it say 'we're working on a fix'?

 

If they'd gone past the beginning they would see that every armour bar the mercenary coat messes with the model.

 

I really hope you get to have a big fat 'I told you so' moment, but I doubt it.

[Lord Surinen]

No, they couldn't, because those resources are specialized for multiplayer development. They already greatly assisted in combat mechanic testing. Which is about the full extent of help they could provide the main game. They cannot do **** about fixing elf arms or other rigging and cinematic problems even if you told them too.

 

Furthermore, creating new content for single player is a whole different beast than new content for multiplayer. "New" content for multiplayer will continue to be adding existing single player content to multiplayer ( that was literally about all the multplayer dlc was ). New single player content however means entirely new story content, etc. Which is a completely different level of undertaking.

 

 

 

 

The main game is not lacking in enviroments. Christ, if there's one realm the main game is not lacking in any way whatsoever its enviroments. It takes 80+ hours at least to explore every inch of the game as is.

 

It should matter to you because if it doesn't you are outright denying reality just so you can be angry. MP has far less armour variety than SP even with the "new" armours that were added.

 

There is no "vile" distribution of assets. If you want to be completely irrational and continue to screech in the face of repeated explainations of how game development works, that's your perogative. But it totally undermines any position or opinion you hold as well as makes you the sort of customer companies do not listen to.

 

I can tell you from experience from the other side of this fence that acting the way you do as a "customer" gets any legitimate concerns you have dismissed or ignored. If you can't act like a reasonable adult you won't be considered one. The benefit of your continued business is outweighed by the continued cost of dealing with you both financially and from a HR standpoint. You become a net loss to the company and a pariah to its staff that have to deal with you. As well as a pariah to the community whose support you need when investigating and presenting technical issues like this one.

I'm afraid that our definitions of rationality differ. Whenever I see your posts, they are so much rational that you should indeed, receive a cheque from EA.

 

Then they have even botched the testing of combat, considering so many atrociously overpowered skills and underpowered trees and great many not working abilities are there. They were such a help, oh my. The assets they have received, most definately consist of tools to create new maps. There could be more of everything if not for multiplayer. It does not matter if it has less armour variety, DA is being sold with SP in mind, this is what majority of people want. Every, even tiniest piece of armour, that looks far better than madly limited high end gear in SP, is vile and wrong. These armours are unique and tied to the game mode that can be helped with time saving microtransactions. You may repeat great many times that you earn fancy shmancy tons of currency in the game, but microtransactions are there and as long as they will be there, there will come possibly more armour variation that will never happen for 'free' in SP.

 

This is a farce, game released with obvious bugs, with some trees like winter tree for mages being almost useless even on highest difficulty levels, with limited armour variety and everything of this puffed with false advertising: super duper armour customisation, good looking elves! MADE WITH PC IN MIND HA-HA-HA-HA-HA-HA

 

The only thing you can tell me from the other side of the fence how to rationalise received botch products.

 

Being a pariah to a company that promoted agendas and somehow wins GOTY, is far from being bad. In fact, anybody who is truly rational about it, will see how low this business sunk and that there is no space for sympathies. I hope that your bosses watch your forums posts, they would be proud.

 

I'm truly fine with my rhetorics.

 

 

No, we don't. This is the last we've heard from Bioware on the subject.

 

 

Where does it say 'we're working on a fix'?

 

If they'd gone past the beginning they would see that every armour bar the mercenary coat messes with the model.

 

I really hope you get to have a big fat 'I told you so' moment, but I doubt it.

They have said that they are looking into it. Nothing about working. They have been looking into many things in the past, with quite negative results so yeah.

[Jackal19851111]

Folks if you check out Dragon Age Inquisition nexus there are already re-texture mods so it's already possible to extract and reimport resources. I'm not so sure of the capabilities of DAI tools myself, however I assume that if that is already possible then the meshes can be extracted and reimported in a similar fashion.

 

This is an obvious skeleton issue, and should be fixable if anyone wants to give it a try, assuming you own a 3D modelling software and proficient with it.

[LunaFancy]

Folks if you check out Dragon Age Inquisition nexus there are already re-texture mods so it's already possible to extract and reimport resources. I'm not so sure of the capabilities of DAI tools myself, however I assume that if that is already possible then the meshes can be extracted and reimported in a similar fashion.

 

This is an obvious skeleton issue, and should be fixable if anyone wants to give it a try, assuming you own a 3D modelling software and proficient with it.

 

Honestly, if I could fix it- I would have. And I think that goes for all of us here. I've never modded, I have no idea how to do it or even where to start looking to learn how to do it.

 

I hope someone who can do it, does.

 

ETA: I do however have Poser Debut that I bought in a fit of good intentions when it was cheap on my laptop, though I haven't played with it. So if someone wanted to hold my hand through the WTF am I doing doing moments and were to outline what I had to do...I'd give it a shot.

[prosthetic soul]

I would literally cut off my right leg just to be able to make an elf character that looked like this (with way shorter hair though, I'm not into that Sephiroth, bishie look).  NOTICE THE GODDAMNED SHOULDERS

Spoiler

Instead, every male Elf I make ends up looking like a cross between Zach Braff and Daniel Craig. With the shoulders of a 10 year old girl.  And a terrible haircut. The formula for elves was crafted perfectly by Tolkien and ain't broke.  Don't fix it. 

[LunaFancy]

I would literally cut off my right leg just to be able to make an elf character that looked like this (with way shorter hair though, I'm not into that Sephiroth, bishie look).  NOTICE THE GODDAMNED SHOULDERS

Spoiler

Instead, every male Elf I make ends up looking like a cross between Zach Braff and Daniel Craig. With the shoulders of a 10 year old girl.  And a terrible haircut. The formula for elves was crafted perfectly by Tolkien and ain't broke.  Don't fix it. 

 

I think I love you.

[Xhaiden]

I really hope you get to have a big fat 'I told you so' moment, but I doubt it.

 

If its not fixed come patch 3 I will fully agree that there's some farkery a foot with their handling of issues and priorities. I was intially surprised when it didn't get fixed in patch 2, but from what we've uncovered in this thread it seems to be more complicated than it first appeared. So ithat makes more sense now as it doesn't seem to be a quick fix.

 

 

 

 

I'm afraid that our definitions of rationality differ. Whenever I see your posts, they are so much rational that you should indeed, receive a cheque from EA.

 

Then they have even botched the testing of combat, considering so many atrociously overpowered skills and underpowered trees and great many not working abilities are there. They were such a help, oh my. The assets they have received, most definately consist of tools to create new maps. There could be more of everything if not for multiplayer. It does not matter if it has less armour variety, DA is being sold with SP in mind, this is what majority of people want. Every, even tiniest piece of armour, that looks far better than madly limited high end gear in SP, is vile and wrong. These armours are unique and tied to the game mode that can be helped with time saving microtransactions. You may repeat great many times that you earn fancy shmancy tons of currency in the game, but microtransactions are there and as long as they will be there, there will come possibly more armour variation that will never happen for 'free' in SP.

 

This is a farce, game released with obvious bugs, with some trees like winter tree for mages being almost useless even on highest difficulty levels, with limited armour variety and everything of this puffed with false advertising: super duper armour customisation, good looking elves! MADE WITH PC IN MIND HA-HA-HA-HA-HA-HA

 

The only thing you can tell me from the other side of the fence how to rationalise received botch products.

 

Being a pariah to a company that promoted agendas and somehow wins GOTY, is far from being bad. In fact, anybody who is truly rational about it, will see how low this business sunk and that there is no space for sympathies. I hope that your bosses watch your forums posts, they would be proud.

 

I'm truly fine with my rhetorics.

 

 

They have said that they are looking into it. Nothing about working. They have been looking into many things in the past, with quite negative results so yeah.

 

I'm quite glad our version of rational differ seeing as this is the second or third time you've said something to the effect of me working for EA or Bioware just because I don't want to nail someone to a plank over a video game.

 

For someone that has repeatedly claimed you can't play the game because of this issue you sure as hell seem to think you know a lot about it. The game is not this smoldering waste land you think it is, but you wouldn't really know since it seems the only opinions you accept are those of people as prone to anger and exaggeration as yourself. You haven't played much of single player and you haven't played multiplayer at all so you're talking out of your ass in regards to both with these proclaimations. You outright reject the reality of how game development works or how any sort of production works while making definitive proclaimations about the future based on nothing. All the while assuming your viewpoint is the only "true" one, fark what other players enjoy the game for or why they bought it. So why should anyone, nevermind Bioware, listen to you? When you listen to no one while arrogantly claiming to speak for everyone?

 

DA:I was not sold with just single player in mind. I already pointed out that it began as a multiplayer game till they decided to make DA3 and then they incorporated the existing multiplayer framework into what is now DA:I. The team that made the multiplayer is the team that made ME3's multiplayer. Mutiplayer is what they do. It's their job. Its what they have the skills for. They were not taken off of single player development for multiplayer. Single player content was never their job to begin with. Nevermind that ME3's multiplayer was very popular and thus was something that people wanted. Just because you don't want it doesn't mean you speak for the entire community.

 

Also, as I have told you several times, the characters in multiplayer are characters from single player. They are your agents. They are at your home base. They all have their own voices, backgrounds and personalities. Even your advisors talk about them while at the war table. Would you perfer to have 12 generic nameless NPCs with the same voice wearing generic Inquisition uniforms wandering around Skyhold? Or would you perfer Bioware go the extra step to ensure its populated with as many unique characters as possible? Doesn't that mean more for single player?

 

Sorry, you're the minority here. The game is critically acclaimed and is selling very well. It is a success and no amount of you frothing at Bioware or the rest of us is going to change that reality. If you don't like the game or the company, then you should have taken the damn thing back. No one is forcing you play it.

[Xhaiden]

ETA: I do however have Poser Debut that I bought in a fit of good intentions when it was cheap on my laptop, though I haven't played with it. So if someone wanted to hold my hand through the WTF am I doing doing moments and were to outline what I had to do...I'd give it a shot.

 

Poser is not a 3D modelling suite. You need 3DS Max, Maya or similar. It would also be a pretty big undertaking. Sure, you could deform the elven model some, try to beef it up ( but also risk making rigging and animation problems worse ). But trying to fix the rigging itself would be very difficult. As the issues there are mainly in the cinematic rigging both in the default conversation pose and in some specific cutscene animations which would have to be addressed individually. When not in the default conversation pose the elven models generally animate fine. It could even be a programming issue and the rigging/animation isn't being loaded and applied properly. Leaving the elf standing there rigidly with his arms stuck to his sides.

 

I don't think anyone has attempted to override a mesh in the game yet. We still don't fully understand the file structure of resources. We can't actually import things into the game. What modders are doing is using patch 2 as a juryrig override folder. By adding assets such as textures to patch 2's folders you can trick the game into thinking that your new assets are part of the patch and it will apply them over the vanilla game.

 

Honestly, what we need is for DICE to hurry up and release modding tools for the Frostbite engine. Its a great engine for asset handling and scalability but its kind of a nightmare for modding accessibility. Releasing modding tools ior adding official modding support sn't really something Bioware can do. On top of that, unlike Steam, Origin just isn't built to support modded games or services. So EA needs to get its ass in gear on Origin's development as well.

[LunaFancy]

See, this is why I said I can't do it - I know nothing!  lol!

[Lord Surinen]

If its not fixed come patch 3 I will fully agree that there's some farkery a foot with their handling of issues and priorities. I was intially surprised when it didn't get fixed in patch 2, but from what we've uncovered in this thread it seems to be more complicated than it first appeared. So ithat makes more sense now as it doesn't seem to be a quick fix.

 

 

 

 

 

I'm quite glad our version of rational differ seeing as this is the second or third time you've said something to the effect of me working for EA or Bioware just because I don't want to nail someone to a plank over a video game.

 

For someone that has repeatedly claimed you can't play the game because of this issue you sure as hell seem to think you know a lot about it. The game is not this smoldering waste land you think it is, but you wouldn't really know since it seems the only opinions you accept are those of people as prone to anger and exaggeration as yourself. You haven't played much of single player and you haven't played multiplayer at all so you're talking out of your ass in regards to both with these proclaimations. You outright reject the reality of how game development works or how any sort of production works while making definitive proclaimations about the future based on nothing. All the while assuming your viewpoint is the only "true" one, fark what other players enjoy the game for or why they bought it. So why should anyone, nevermind Bioware, listen to you? When you listen to no one while arrogantly claiming to speak for everyone?

 

DA:I was not sold with just single player in mind. I already pointed out that it began as a multiplayer game till they decided to make DA3 and then they incorporated the existing multiplayer framework into what is now DA:I. The team that made the multiplayer is the team that made ME3's multiplayer. Mutiplayer is what they do. It's their job. Its what they have the skills for. They were not taken off of single player development for multiplayer. Single player content was never their job to begin with. Nevermind that ME3's multiplayer was very popular and thus was something that people wanted. Just because you don't want it doesn't mean you speak for the entire community.

 

Also, as I have told you several times, the characters in multiplayer are characters from single player. They are your agents. They are at your home base. They all have their own voices, backgrounds and personalities. Even your advisors talk about them while at the war table. Would you perfer to have 12 generic nameless NPCs with the same voice wearing generic Inquisition uniforms wandering around Skyhold? Or would you perfer Bioware go the extra step to ensure its populated with as many unique characters as possible? Doesn't that mean more for single player?

 

Sorry, you're the minority here. The game is critically acclaimed and is selling very well. It is a success and no amount of you frothing at Bioware or the rest of us is going to change that reality. If you don't like the game or the company, then you should have taken the damn thing back. No one is forcing you play it.

Something magical happend to my message after editing it. Quick version of it.

 

There is no need to be an employee to receive cheques; what I have meant is apologism.

It is a multi billion business, not just a 'video game'. Between us two, you seem to eager jump to conclusions, so much that I feel like watching vulgar('ass') Crash Bandicoot; exaggerations.

 

I'm aware how productions work(not as much about game industry in particular, but what I see lately is a Shakin Stevens without Stevens).I'm not even interested in this business beyond my hobby, that is playing games. I do not really need to know anything about it. I'm a customer and I demand a finished product - I have paid a full price for it, that's the end of it -.  I don't remember saying anything about the future.

 

I have an insight into gameplay problems through my colleagues; not working abilities etc. tons upon tons.

 

I have never claimed to speak for everybody, not even this thread's participants.

 

I would want them to wear potatoe sacks if it would give my character more customisation.

 

Financial success, reviews(considering gaming industry-gaming press close rlations) means nothing.

 

Yes, I'm in minority here, people here (it is a focused community, just like tumblr and reddit) are in awe because of crossdressing and other things that they value above game's functionality.

[Blue_Shayde]

Folks if you check out Dragon Age Inquisition nexus there are already re-texture mods so it's already possible to extract and reimport resources. I'm not so sure of the capabilities of DAI tools myself, however I assume that if that is already possible then the meshes can be extracted and reimported in a similar fashion.

 

This is an obvious skeleton issue, and should be fixable if anyone wants to give it a try, assuming you own a 3D modelling software and proficient with it.

I've been following the modding thread for a while, reading all the posts from the beginning. Right now, its only possible to extract and re-import textures, and that's through a method of tricking the game into thinking a mod-patch is a real game patch. However, actual meshes are still far from possible. Until the DAI tool creator manages to figure it out, all we can do now is texture swapping.

 

I'll definitely give a heads up if the day comes that we can import meshes into the game.

[Jackal19851111]

Damn, well considering the progress, it may be very possible given time.

[Xhaiden]

Something magical happend to my message after editing it. Quick version of it.

 

There is no need to be an employee to receive cheques; what I have meant is apologism.

It is a multi billion business, not just a 'video game'. Between us two, you seem to eager jump to conclusions, so much that I feel like watching vulgar('ass') Crash Bandicoot; exaggerations.

 

I'm aware how productions work(not as much about game industry in particular, but what I see lately is a Shakin Stevens without Stevens).I'm not even interested in this business beyond my hobby, that is playing games. I do not really need to know anything about it. I'm a customer and I demand a finished product - I have paid a full price for it, that's the end of it -.  I don't remember saying anything about the future.

 

I have an insight into gameplay problems through my colleagues; not working abilities etc. tons upon tons.

 

I have never claimed to speak for everybody, not even this thread's participants.

 

I would want them to wear potatoe sacks if it would give my character more customisation.

 

Financial success, reviews(considering gaming industry-gaming press close rlations) means nothing.

 

Yes, I'm in minority here, people here (it is a focused community, just like tumblr and reddit) are in awe because of crossdressing and other things that they value above game's functionality.

 

I am not jumping to any conclusions. I actually bothering to research these things. I actually looked into the composition of the teams and the staff of the multiplayer team as well as its development timeline. You're the one making proclamations despite not even having played the game of any length of time nor having any real knowledge about it. 

 

There are not tons upon tons of abilites that do not work ( and a good number of things were actually fixed in patch 2 ability wise ). There are are not tons of underpowered trees. ( You even put forth that Frost magic was underpowered. Frost magic is perfectly fine, its one of the best trees even. ). Your "colleagues" have no idea what they're on about.

 

You've repeatedly spoken on what Bioware and EA's intentions or plans are both past, present and future. Something you have no insight into whatsoever and in fact have flat out stated several times you don't care to understand anything about any of this. You just want to throw a tantrum. Even when its explained to you multiple times that what you're suggesting simply isn't possible and would actually be a waste of resources you still persist.

 

Sales and reviews do mean something if not everything. What barometer do you measure a game's success by if not critical and financial? The game is successful and many many people enjoy it. You yourself just admitted you're a minority, even here, yet you claim that the game's critical and financial success means nothing?

 

A game doesn't win this many GOTY awards, including several people's choice ones, by sucking ass. The game media is quite willing and able to **** all over EA's games. Simcity was a complete clusterfuck for example and brutally reviewed as a result. EA doesn't exactly have top career marks on Metacritic.

[LunaFancy]

Honestly? I don't care how many awards it won- I find it terminally boring to play and no amount of critical acclaim is going to change that fact. The only thing that could save it for me is the graphics- and the elf model ruins even that  for me.

 

Which is not to say that anyone else in the whole wide world has to feel the same way about the game either. Everyone can co exist on the planet without sharing opinions about a game.

 

Lord Surinen is as entitled to an opinion as you or anybody else, I think you need to take a deep breath and understand this... then maybe back slowly out of this thread, since you seem happy as Larry with the game and the thread is a place for those who aren't to vent.

 

Seriously if the elf model looked as good as it did in DAO, I probably would even notice how dull the atmosphere is without in quest interaction, how huge and empty the spaces are- and how freaking long you have to run through emptiness before you find something that isn't a bear or a wolf. Or how idiotic the AI is...the list is long.

 

When it comes to actual quality, often popularity and awards mean very little really in the scheme of things, I mean lot of people like Justin Beiber- he's probably even won stuff ...

[KondorHawx]

I've got to agree with LunaFancy on this one. Xhaiden is a continued chronic downer and for the last 2 pages, he's continued to snipe and shoot down anything Lord Surinen says, seemingly just to get a rise out of him .  Maybe cut it back a little and try a bit of constructive brain storming or opinions, rather than repeated rebuttals of every tiny little thing each person says?

[Tielis]

I would literally cut off my right leg just to be able to make an elf character that looked like this (with way shorter hair though, I'm not into that Sephiroth, bishie look).  NOTICE THE GODDAMNED SHOULDERS

Spoiler

Instead, every male Elf I make ends up looking like a cross between Zach Braff and Daniel Craig. With the shoulders of a 10 year old girl.  And a terrible haircut. The formula for elves was crafted perfectly by Tolkien and ain't broke.  Don't fix it. 

 

Well, at least we have Abelas.  Hopefully we'll see more of ancient elves in the future and that will give them an excuse to finally make our elves right.  

 

Spoiler

[Lord Surinen]

I am not jumping to any conclusions. I actually bothering to research these things. I actually looked into the composition of the teams and the staff of the multiplayer team as well as its development timeline. You're the one making proclamations despite not even having played the game of any length of time nor having any real knowledge about it. 

 

There are not tons upon tons of abilites that do not work ( and a good number of things were actually fixed in patch 2 ability wise ). There are are not tons of underpowered trees. ( You even put forth that Frost magic was underpowered. Frost magic is perfectly fine, its one of the best trees even. ). Your "colleagues" have no idea what they're on about.

 

You've repeatedly spoken on what Bioware and EA's intentions or plans are both past, present and future. Something you have no insight into whatsoever and in fact have flat out stated several times you don't care to understand anything about any of this. You just want to throw a tantrum. Even when its explained to you multiple times that what you're suggesting simply isn't possible and would actually be a waste of resources you still persist.

 

Sales and reviews do mean something if not everything. What barometer do you measure a game's success by if not critical and financial? The game is successful and many many people enjoy it. You yourself just admitted you're a minority, even here, yet you claim that the game's critical and financial success means nothing?

 

A game doesn't win this many GOTY awards, including several people's choice ones, by sucking ass. The game media is quite willing and able to **** all over EA's games. Simcity was a complete clusterfuck for example and brutally reviewed as a result. EA doesn't exactly have top career marks on Metacritic.

Actually you do, pretty much most of the time. My knowledge is quite real, even though it is not based on practise.

 

Yes, there are many not working abilities and some of the specs are ridiculously unbalanced. Winter tree is useless past its initial talents. There is nothing that it offers that is worth and cannot be outshined by other trees.

 

Have I? I thought these were speculations. Every time you speak about understanding someone, you mean acceptance of your opinions as dogma. I understand enough to see this company for what it is; new MP armours during holiday season. 'Tantrum', 'anger', I'm sorry to tell you but I'm almost never angry so please, stop bringing it in so very much often because I start to feel like I'm a star in some girl's tumblr post.

 

Ah, but you are right, sales and reviews mean the world for the shareholders, guys who get bonuses and even company workers - overwhelming success. It does not speak about game itself and its content; it is subjective, every single person is a measure for game's success. Simcity was not such a modern, progressive creation of such a large magnitude. DA:I was 'destined' to be a winner, if you know what I mean.

 

 

I've got to agree with LunaFancy on this one. Xhaiden is a continued chronic downer and for the last 2 pages, he's continued to snipe and shoot down anything Lord Surinen says, seemingly just to get a rise out of him .  Maybe cut it back a little and try a bit of constructive brain storming or opinions, rather than repeated rebuttals of every tiny little thing each person says?

This person is on his 'pilgrimage' to 'rationalism', that means 95% of BioWare/EA apologism and 5% of little, warm pointing mistakes, naturally sprinkled with 'it will take time, but they will fix it'. Xhaiden once upon a time found a thread where someone mentioned desire demons. Known for his 'rationalism', Xhaiden found an explanation why there are no female desire demons in the DA:I. It was not political correctness and wealthy tribute to modern and progressive people of modern and progressive media, it was actually lore based! So as you see, Ill will of some people knows no bounds. About rise out of me, t won't happen. I find it quite amusing though, such 'solidarity' with gaming industry is truly unique and special.

 

 

Well, at least we have Abelas.  Hopefully we'll see more of ancient elves in the future and that will give them an excuse to finally make our elves right.  

 

Spoiler

This armour is very much similar to the MP one Arcane Warrior uses. Unfortunately, it is obviously not available in SP. All that is fabulous is on the other side of 'fence'.

[Seraphael]

Don't even get me started on the CONSTANT giant head syndrome that ALL Elven character's are graced with.

For 5 straight hours spent in character creation, even with the jawline, cheekbones and chin width all set too minimum on the sliders I still managed to create an elf girl with a gigantic head.  I think the time I've spent in the character creation menu is almost on par with the amount of hours I've spent playing the actual game.

If I could manage to pull off something relatively non-elephantiasis looking, the section between her mouth and cheeks would pout way too far out that it looked like she constantly had marshmallows in her mouth; which is fair enough because she's probably constantly hungry considering her and Mr Burns share the same skeletal frame.

 

I beg to differ. I take issue with the SMALL head of elven males. Using minimal sliders you will result in looking like that shrunken head guy from Beetlejuice. At least noticably smaller than 1/8th of the total body length typical for adult (human) males. Heads may look gargantuan to some, but in my experience that is just in relation to the extremely slender shoulders and not actual height.

 

The marshmellow in the mouth is a beginner mistake. To avoid simply adjusting cheek shape to minimal side (left).

[LunaFancy]

I beg to differ. I take issue with the SMALL head of elven males. Using minimal sliders you will result in looking like that shrunken head guy from Beetlejuice. At least noticably smaller than 1/8th of the total body length typical for adult (human) males. Heads may look gargantuan to some, but in my experience that is just in relation to the extremely slender shoulders and not actual height.

 

The marshmellow in the mouth is a beginner mistake. To avoid simply adjusting cheek shape to minimal side (left).

 

For gods sake don't give them ideas! I can see the patch notes for patch 3 now- increase male elf's head- not other body changes.

 

Then we'll all be making gifs of the bobble head inquisitor nodding to music lol!

 

The shoulders are the issue, if they weren't the size of a 10 year old's you could just use the sliders to make a proportionate head. As it stands, even the smallest head looks disproportionate to the shoulders and anorectic body.

[Tielis]

This armour is very much similar to the MP one Arcane Warrior uses. Unfortunately, it is obviously not available in SP. All that is fabulous is on the other side of 'fence'.

 

What I meant was, at least his body animations work (not to mention his proportions are very nice).  His gorgeous ancient armor is beside the point.

 

But as Cillian the (multiplayer) Arcane Warrior is an agent of the Inquisition, our inquisitor should be able to obtain the same armor as Cillian, though personally I would want it to be restricted to Arcane Warrior only.  It fits with the lore, as Cillian has spent many long years studying the ancient lore of the mage-warrior elves and has somehow pieced together his own set of ancient sentinel armor.  (And I'm sure there will be plenty of people up in arms about this opinion.)

 

Now, if Abelas comes back and joins the Inquistion in some DLC or something, well, I would fully support that he gives a set to the inquisitor.  (Though I'd rather my inquisitor take his off him.  *ahem*)

[Blue_Shayde]

Oooh, the lips puffing out with Mother Giselle bugs me every time. Its like her mouth got caught in the vacuum sweeper's tube for a good half a day and became permanently stuck like that.

 

 

I'm in agreement with LunaFancy and KondorHawx.

 

I don't care how many awards or critical acclaims this game is getting, because its plain broken. And for the life of me, I can't understand how its getting so much praise when it is this broken. There are so many bugs and issues in the game...I wonder if the critics actually even bothered to play the real game or just the fancy review copy that was sent to them. The game is good, but its so woofully lacking in comparison to BW's past works that this game feels like it was made by a completely different company.

 

Its funny to. I noticed that running around the Hinterlands, there is so much content in the area. Side quests (admittably shallow), little hidden bits, etc. But then when I cleared out the Storm Coast and the Fallowed Mire areas, I noticed these maps are extremely empty. Extremely empty compared to the starting Hinterlands area. Its like they put all the effort into the Hinterlands to wow everyone (*cough* critics *cough*), then gave up.

[LunaFancy]

Or they are planning a tonne of DLC to fill the voids...at $9.99 a pop.

 

I sometimes wonder if I have got a different copy of the game when I see all the glowing reviews- it isn't crap but it isn't outstanding by a long shot. GOTY is more a reflection on the quality of the other games released in 2014 than this game I think. As has been said before, the delay of The Witcher 3 probably worked in its favour.

 

Certainly no reviewers bothered to play as a male elf past the prologue!