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[Blue_Shayde]

Starting up an Elf warrior to see if I can get my paws on some of this and see how it looks.

 

We might not be able to fix the arms, but by god we can dress sexy as **** to distract ourselves.

 

Edit: Ouch, okay maybe not. The intial heavy armours are really badly affected aren't they? I got arm glued hunched forward cretin posture in every single cutscene.

 

Man, only some medium armour / Dalish armour is relatively safe isn't it?

 

Well, those armors look good, but you still end up arm glued hunched forward in the cutscenes to.

 

 

 

Sweet, so there is a higher level form of my warden battlemage armor.

[Xhaiden]

It really seems bad with the basic heavy armours for some reason. The basic light armours are pretty bad too. I've only found solace in some of the medium armours so far. Kind of stops me from playing warrior though. Wearing lighter armour on a warrior, especially a 2H one in Nightmare, seems like a bad plan.

[tmp7704]

Interesting, but not as clear cut as it appears. The problem is Fenris's mesh is not a variable mesh with deformations such as face shapes applied. The CC clearly alters the size and shape of the skull and neck.

There is no size scaling in the game, simple as that. There's some adjustment done to the shape of head in the CC but these are also present in DA/DA2 -- any size differences you may see are between some specific characters, and not some universal trend. Fenris' head is *instance* of that variable mesh. Just like head of your inquisitor is an instance of the base model -- nothing stops you from adjusting say, your character's jaw and such to also make their head 'seem' smaller.
 

Plus, placement is definately different as the elves in DA2 had long, slender almost ridiculous gazelle necks. Merril was almost a giraffe:

We were talking about head placement of *male* elves. Which is identical in both games. It is different case with female elves, who indeed have their head placed lower (on identical body) But that has no relevance on the problem we're discussing and posting pictures of female elves proves nothing about the males.

(for what's worth, both male and female elves between both games have about the same neck thickness. Merril and other female elves look extra thin because their necks are indeed longer)

[Blue_Shayde]

Honestly, the female elves don't look nearly as bad as the males. That's why the discussion is mostly focused on males, as tmp put it.

 

And lets face it, with the current broken arms and the narrow shoulders on males...it all just ends up looking wrong and 'uncanny valley' eerie.

[Xhaiden]

Honestly, the female elves don't look nearly as bad as the males. That's why the discussion is mostly focused on males, as tmp put it.

 

You should see the female elves in the basic light armour. Its really not much better. They have arms like twigs. Recall that spindley creature that wakes you up in Haven at the start of the game.

[Evincar]

theres no command in PC to just maintain the face of a character and switch to a body of human perhaps...... somthing must be done i really hate how my baby elven mage looks...

[Blue_Shayde]

You should see the female elves in the basic light armour. Its really not much better. They have arms like twigs. Recall that spindley creature that wakes you up in Haven at the start of the game.

Oh yes, trust me I have.

 

Elves just remind me of the Terror demons. But at least they look ok in most armors. Most. There are still some bad armors. (lets face it, the pjs, basic light armor, and the enchanter armor (which breaks the females arms badly) are all horrible)

 

The female elves get some awesome looking dalish armor. I'm jealous of the female dalish light armor compared to the males. (males is not bad, but it looks more like a 60s outfit then a dalish outfit.)

[Xhaiden]

The female Dalish armours do look much better, yeah. =/

 

 

(for what's worth, both male and female elves between both games have about the same neck thickness. Merril and other female elves look extra thin because their necks are indeed longer)

 

Some of the CC presets are really bad for making the neck thinner frankly. 4 in particular is terrible and 5 stretches the skull/face out so far as to almost be cartoonish.

 

I'm currently stripping Fenris naked ( because hey whenever you get a chance to strip Fenris naked ) to try and figure out what it is thats bothering me with the meshes between DA:I and DA2. There's a lot more recycled assets then I expected between the two. Fenris is definately a Preset 3 so to speak. He also doesn't give the squished upper torso impression of the DA:I elf because he apparently has shoulders.

 

Do you have both meshes to compare, tmp? I only have the DA2 meshes and that modding thread is like 200 pages long to dig through. >.>

 

I mean here's Fenris:

 

 

And here's the bobblehead Skyhold jammies:

 

 

But then here's the base naked model ( with seeimgly beefier legs ):

 

 

If this is all based on the same mesh, then just how many rigging/deformation problems are we talking? ><

[tmp7704]

Do you have both meshes to compare, tmp? I only have the DA2 meshes and that modding thread is like 200 pages long to dig through. >.>

I had the base body meshes but went and grabbed the inquisitor's default outfit too just in case. The results are... interesting:



the top row is from left to right, DA2 underwear mesh with Fenris head, DAI default outfit, DAI nude male elf.

Bottom row are overlays, to make the comparison easier. Bottom left demonstrates that DAI default outfit uses body downright identical with DA2 body. But, surprise, the nude DAI elf body has shoulders which are actually *wider* than what you got with DA2 elf (and what you also get with the default DAI outfit) The bottom mid picture shows difference between the 'nude' bodies in DA2/DAI. Bottom right shows the same difference between nude DAI male elf, and the same elf wearing default Skyhold outfit.

Conclusions?

#1, People talking how Fenris had wider shoulders than DAI elf haven't seen Fenris naked and go by impression created by his armour
#2, for whatever reason male elf in DAI has more than one body shape. That can happen with large projects like that and there's no way to know which is the 'intended, final' look, other than getting answer from relevant people privy to it.

[Felya87]

So...DAI's elf male models have been changed during the work, when the Skyhold PJ (and probably many mage outfits) was already created for the DA2's body models?

no wonder the elves seems ridicolous once in a different outfit!

[tmp7704]

So...DAI's elf male models have been changed during the work, when the Skyhold PJ (and probably many mage outfits) was already created for the DA2's body models?

Possibly; or maybe just the nude body model was changed because it felt too weird in the scenes where it shows up? I didn't look at the other outfit meshes to see which shape they follow... in any case, it'd probably not be much of a problem if it wasn't for that rigging issue (or whatever it is) that's causing the arms go inside the body and such.

[Xhaiden]

#1, People talking how Fenris had wider shoulders than DAI elf haven't seen Fenris naked and go by impression created by his armour

 

Yes. so I see, it also looks like his armour bulks up suddenly under the armpits giving the impression of a wider chest.

 

Spoiler

 

 

 

 

#2, for whatever reason male elf in DAI has more than one body shape. That can happen with large projects like that and there's no way to know which is the 'intended, final' look, other than getting answer from relevant people privy to it.

 

Version Control 1, Bioware 0. >.>

[LunaFancy]

The meshes above look fine, but in game the look is entirely different, doesn't  that point to an animation issue?

 

In the game the pc (and Solas but to a lesser extent) model has it's shoulders pulled way back, which to my eye contributes greatly to the narrowness of the shoulders and could easily explain the way the chest is distorted forward as well I imagine.

 

If the arm is pulled into the torso's 'space' by this distortion, could that also contribute to the clipping? As in the arm has to  move through the plane of  the  torso to come  to rest in its designated place which is well behind the body?

 

I've packed the game in and am playing Neverwinter for an elf fix myself. If they give us an in game face editor in patch 3 I might finish my human game once I  make his skin paler, other than that I guess I'll join  the  cue to wait and see if any modders can fix it.

[Xhaiden]

FYI, the Dalish camp merchant sells the schematics for light and heavy Warden armour. If anyone needs some craftable fashion options. I tried the light armour on my human mage but it has terrible clipping issues in the neck/hair with the human male so thats a no go.

[Zhijn]

Is this a problem with female elf aswell? Sorry havnt read all 50 pages, so dunno if its come up.

 

Was wondering if i should start a female elf mage or a dwarf rouge on my next game. I notice the human female armor was bugged (shoulder bug).

[Blue_Shayde]

So it stills comes down to the broken rigging causing distortion. I mean, no matter what, the upper arm isn't really supposed to bend the way it does on male elves. And that bend just throws the body off. Add that to the arms clipping into the sides, giving a cowering and meak impression...

 

Its really funny. When my elf walks into a scene without his arms bugging out, he looks fine. Once his arms bug, that's when the visual feelings of "this is wrong and creepy" kick in. (for me at least)

 

 

 

Is this a problem with female elf aswell? Sorry havnt read all 50 pages, so dunno if its come up.

 

Was wondering if i should start a female elf mage or a dwarf rouge on my next game. I notice the human female armor was bugged (shoulder bug).

 

The female is slightly better off then the male, but she still has many issues. The Enchanter's armor, for one, completely dislocates her arms from her shoulders. I'm actually curious to find out if the arms snap to the chest during cutscenes on female elves to.

[Nefla]

If they would just fix the broken upper arms I would be satisfied

 

[Blue_Shayde]

If they would just fix the broken upper arms I would be satisfied

Spoiler

 

Yeah, that image right there already looks 100x better with the fixed looking arm.

[Felya87]

If they would just fix the broken upper arms I would be satisfied

 

 

I agree. It hurt my eyes seeing the arms of my poor mage elf in that state....

[Blue_Shayde]

Oooh, check out this little mod our amazing modders have managed to work up...

 

Armor - No Class Restrictions mod

http://www.nexusmods...&preview=&pUp=1

[Zered]

If they would just fix the broken upper arms I would be satisfied

 

Yep, I can live with that, tough I still think that their idea of good looking elves is a poor joke looking at the body proportions.

[wepeel_]

The values that determine the race, class and gender have (tentatively) been located, so optimistically the ability to mod your looks more independently of your race will soonish be available. Personally I would like to be able to play using a human model but have the game for all intents and purposes treat me as an elf. It's not as good as an actual awesome-looking elf model, but definitely leagues better than the current situation.

[ZellZin]

Here we have a picture of a middle aged male's head placed on top of a teenage female body. Disturbing.

 

 

I just can not get over how wrong it looks. I get it, elves are supposed to have a different anatomy than humans, but this is just so poorly executed it's ridiculous. I love the elvish lore in DA games but I just can not play one because of how they look.

 

Here's a link to the video I took the screenshot from

https://www.youtube....h?v=9QtjCPXtF78

[Xhaiden]

The values that determine the race, class and gender have (tentatively) been located, so optimistically the ability to mod your looks more independently of your race will soonish be available. Personally I would like to be able to play using a human model but have the game for all intents and purposes treat me as an elf. It's not as good as an actual awesome-looking elf model, but definitely leagues better than the current situation.

 

Yes, its definately moddable. I've managed to inadvertantly turn my human male mage into a human female rogue. Then load a qunari head on her. So...yeah. Problem is it everything is broken now~