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[mac35]

adam_grif wrote...

OP acts as though TPS and RPG are mutually exclusive. They aren't. It's both.

This was all that needed to be said here. As the kids say these days, /thread.

[the_one_54321]

genres are separated by mechanic definitions. there is no such thing as a game that is simultaneously two genres. it has one kind of mechanic or the other.

[TheBestClass]

What's great about a lot of newer western RPGs is that they've been able to incorporate so many action game elements now that technology is less restrictive. You could look at it the other way as well, labeling Mass Effect as a 3rd person shooter than utilizes RPG elements. Game genres are becoming more blurred lately.

[the_one_54321]

Massadonious wrote...

The underlying game is still an RPG, whether you purists care to believe it or not.

um, no it's not. and the explanation is actually rather simple, although, ironically, im guessing you'll refuse to believe it anyway.



thing is that it has nothing to do with the quality of the game. it's just a matter of the accuracy of the label. also, BioWare isnt even trying to say this game is an RPG.

[bobito64]

Daeion wrote...

It goes to the profficency of a char with a weapon and goes back to pen and paper RPGs.  It basically says that just like realife anyone can fire a gun, but that doesn't mean you have the proper training wo actually hit things consistantly, that's why skill points into it improve your skill and you're saying that the char you are playing has gotten better at this.  In the current system no everyone can use the same guns which doesn't make sense, and there's no getting better, you either suck or you're great.

Actually, given Shepard is Spectre and a Commander in the military, it makes perfect sense. What makes absolutely no sense is that, at the start of Mass Effect, the very best that the Alliance Special Forces had to offer couldn't hit a barn door with a blunderbuss.
 
Nor does it make any sense that Shepard should pick up every gun or suit of body armour she finds and lug it around with her for the rest of the mission.

You are correct that traditional, turn based RPG combat goes back to pen, paper and 20 sided dice. But, in a medium of rapidly advacing technology, it is inevitable that combat mechanics will evolve. Mass Effect 2 is not purely a shooter, even in terms of combat. Shooters don't have biotic or tech powers. When did you ever see Marcus Fenix use biotics to pull a enemy out from behind cover or create a mini singularity? When did you ever see Master Chief overload his enenies weapons or hack into an enemy turret to turn against them? If you play as a soldier, then perhaps ME2 may seem much like a shooter.  But that is only one of six classes.   

Modifié par bobito64, 25 janvier 2010 - 07:53 .

[the_one_54321]

a third person shooting action game with levels and variable dialog?

TPSAGlvg?

either way, it still doesnt fit the genre defenition of RPG. in an RPG you have no direct control over the character except to give it instructions. everything is decided with numbers and stats. that is what creates the difference between Action games and Role Playing games. otherwise they'd be the same thing.

Modifié par the_one_54321, 25 janvier 2010 - 07:55 .

[Kwonnern]

Play a role and make decisions that affect the story/gameplay.



Shape your own destiny. Not just ONE way to progress to the end.

[mac35]

the_one_54321 wrote...

genres are separated by mechanic definitions. there is no such thing as a game that is simultaneously two genres. it has one kind of mechanic or the other.

BBZZZZZTTTTT!

Wrong answer. There are certain elements in each genre that are unique and solely attributable to that genre (e.g. the "3rd person" part of 3rd person shooter) but the nebulous definitions of genres most certainly are not static or well defined. As evidence, start a thread here asking what defines an RPG and see how many different answers you get.

There is no one right definition for what each genre is, especially the broader genres like action, adventure, RPG, etc. Due to this, and because the attributes of each genre are NOT mutually exclusive it is very possible and even likely that when a company makes a game large in scope that it will have elements from more than one area.

[DarthCaine]

It's a Third-Person RPG shooter

[the_one_54321]

mac35 wrote...

the_one_54321 wrote...



genres are separated by mechanic definitions. there is no such thing as a game that is simultaneously two genres. it has one kind of mechanic or the other.

BBZZZZZTTTTT!



Wrong answer. There are certain elements in each genre that are unique and solely attributable to that genre (e.g. the "3rd person" part of 3rd person shooter) but the nebulous definitions of genres most certainly are not static or well defined. As evidence, start a thread here asking what defines an RPG and see how many different answers you get.



There is no one right definition for what each genre is, especially the broader genres like action, adventure, RPG, etc. Due to this, and because the attributes of each genre are NOT mutually exclusive it is very possible and even likely that when a company makes a game large in scope that it will have elements from more than one area.

BBZZZZTTTTT! right back at you.



just because people disagree doesnt mean that there is no right answer. it just means most of them are wrong.



it's a simple enough matter to take the definition back to it's initial creation. for example, any and all kinds of games can have in depth story, character customization, dialog options, and character leveling. any kind of game.



but, how many games were the result of taking strategy war games and reducing the rules to the management of a single unit, thereafter known as a character?

[the_one_54321]

Massadonious wrote...
And, again I ask, if if it has nothing to do with the quality of the game, then why bother? If it was all about the "accuracy of the label" people wouldn't be arguing about it this much.

it iritates me when people say something that is inaccurate as though it were true. that's why.

[Swe_Racoon]

Daeion wrote...

Fredvdp wrote...

To me role playing is about playing a role and there are few games that do it as well as Mass Effect. I don't care about level, stats, inventory, etc. as long as I get to direct the story through my character.

So then Halo and Gears are RPGs?

No offense, good sir (or lady), but this answer ticks me off. It seems you play ignorant to try and make Fredvdp look like a moron. Of course Gow and Halo aren't RPG's, because they follow a set storyline and characters with set personalities. I'd like to say you're tagging along Fenix or Master Chief more than playing the role of the blokes respectively. In an RPG (more often the good old pen and paper variety than their digital counterparts) you decide the name, looks, race, gender, age, personality, history and whatnot of your character and your choices as that character can, in ways small or large, affect the gaming world.

As far as I'm concerned, the core in a role-playing game is a story that develops based on my choices, and world that does the same. Stats are a good way to keep track of your character, yes, but if I have to chose between the above and looking at stats and inventory screens, I'd take the above ten times out of ten. Each to their own though, I just get p*ssed when people say their view of what an RPG is the universial truth, something that isn't the truth simply because the worlds most successful RPG is more about stats and gear than character interaction.

But as I said, each to their own.

[the_one_54321]

Final Fantasy games are all RPGs. almost none of them let you decide a single thing about your character.

playing a role means that the role replaces you, or that you make decisions within the role. that means that choices arent required, but certainly fit. the defining characteristic is the lack of an ability to act in place of the character in real time. the characters abilities (however those are defined) are what dictate his strengths and weakness. not your ability to combo attacks, or aim a mouse pointer with cross hairs.

it is a matter of strict differentiation. Mass Effect may be a fantastic game, but in the end it's you aiming the gun, not Sheperd. if Mass Effect was an RPG you would never have the option to aim-and-shoot with point-and-click the same way F/TPSs do.

Modifié par the_one_54321, 25 janvier 2010 - 08:29 .

[Stompi]

Why can't it be both? I don't need Space Dragon Age to have fun.

[the_one_54321]

Stompi wrote...
Why can't it be both? I don't need Space Dragon Age to have fun.

again, it's not about whether or not the game is good or fun. it's just the accuracy of the lable. RPG is an inaccurate label for Mass Effect.

[fairandbalancedfan]

the_one_54321 wrote...

a third person shooting action game with levels and variable dialog?

TPSAGlvg?

either way, it still doesnt fit the genre defenition of RPG. in an RPG you have no direct control over the character except to give it instructions. everything is decided with numbers and stats. that is what creates the difference between Action games and Role Playing games. otherwise they'd be the same thing.

But would I be corrrect in saying that ME 2 is a TPS with RPG elements ? A genre of a game shouldn't exclude it from being a good game.

[the_one_54321]

fairandbalancedfan wrote...

But would I be corrrect in saying that ME 2 is a TPS with RPG elements ? A genre of a game shouldn't exclude it from being a good game.

yeah, pretty much like ive been saying. although, the only RPG elements ive really seen in this game is the leveling and skill structure. the only real differentiating feature is that you aim the gun yourself instead of choosing a target and letting Shep aim.



actually, i dont really think even The Witcher is an RPG, due the combat mechanics. there havent been a whole lot of actual RPGs made, recently. just a lot of different kinds of games with great stories and characters.

[fairandbalancedfan]

the_one_54321 wrote...

fairandbalancedfan wrote...
But would I be corrrect in saying that ME 2 is a TPS with RPG elements ? A genre of a game shouldn't exclude it from being a good game.

yeah, pretty much like ive been saying. although, the only RPG elements ive really seen in this game is the leveling and skill structure. the only real differentiating feature is that you aim the gun yourself instead of choosing a target and letting Shep aim.

actually, i dont really think even The Witcher is an RPG, due the combat mechanics. there havent been a whole lot of actual RPGs made, recently. just a lot of different kinds of games with great stories and characters.

I don't care about a game's genre. If it's a good game I play it.  I refuse to buy into this ME 2 is dumbed down for console kiddies argument.And I know I am going to get a lot of flak for this, but I think ME 2 is shaping upto be better than dragon Age *hides and cowers*

Modifié par fairandbalancedfan, 25 janvier 2010 - 08:39 .

[Gvaz]

its a third person shooter



they got rid of most of the rpg elements

[PingoBlack]

GvazElite wrote...
they got rid of most of the rpg elements

Which RPG elements are those?

[llinsane1ll]

Do you even know what a role playing game is? lol fail

[Gvaz]

okay so i can allocate stats and get xp, customize my armor, and talk to people



AMAZING RPG MECHANICS THAT HAVE NEVER BEEN SEEN BEFORE